Any of you guys want to fight? Lets have a brawl. Its the endless debate.....

[halB]

Originally posted by Retardrice
no the bolt can affect spin of the ball, and psi put on the ball every shot affects the shape of it. Some bolts greatly mishape balls, some dont really, it depends.

the air blasts do not misshape the balls, the air actually forms around the ball, not the ball forming around the air. also, assuming the ball is deformed by the bolt, so what, a baseball is deformed by the bat, which has a **** load of more energy between the two, but the thing snaps back into shape right away. the ball would snap back into its original shape before its even traveled a 1/4 inch down the barrel.

[paintposse]

When Tom said guns acellerate the balls around 50,000 fps that is true. 50,000 fps is slowed quiet sugnificantly when the ball reaches the end of the barrel. Its explained more in detail in the april issue of Action.

[paintposse]

I say maybe it's because the yolk is bouncing around inside the egg.

Accually the yolk isnt boucing in side the egg. there is a small white proteins and other stuff that is attached to the yolk and the inside of the shell to keep it in place. It works sort of like an ambilicol cord. It helps the baby and makes it so it cant fly away. i am right because u u get a fresh egg and shake it and do whatever u want evcept break the shell and the yolk will never break. The older the egg the less strong that tissue is. I saw that on the food network once. And people said that school makes u smart.

[SHAG]

Hi,

Here is my answer to this arguement/question.

1) Did you hit your intended target with the best of your abilities?

If yes, the marker you were using did its intented fnuction.

If No, proceed to the next question.

2)Did the marker fail(i.e. Mechanical)?

If yes, find the cause of the problem. Make nessecary repairs. Test. Repeat question #1.

If No, proceed to the next question.

3)Did you sight and range on to intended target?

If yes, check yourself.

If no, proceed.

4)Was marker shooting at speed when you took aim?

If yes, good.

If no, adjust velocity.

5) Once the basics are out of the way, did you hit your intended target?

If yes, you have answered question #1 and the entire debate about markers being better.

If no, you might want to rethink the idea that you are not the greatest shot in paintball. Take some time at the range and practice.



Seriously, Yeah an E mag is going to be better than let's say stingray. However, we as players feel let down with the fact we bought "superior" firepower to be only shot out by something like a talon. However, when markers are set up properly, most of those smaller differences are not going to be that noticiable. It comes down to feeling comfortable with the marker you use.

people are different. markers are different. there is no one in paintball that is going to dictate we can only use a super max hyper electro pnuematic gun. Some are going to be better than others. I would hope the 1700 dollar angel or 1300 maxed out customized cocker is going to perform better than a spyder.

To conclude, it all boils down to one thing, did you get the ball on to the intented target to the best of your abilities with the marker you feel the most comfortable with?

Later,
Alan

[Retardrice]

the air blasts do not misshape the balls, the air actually forms around the ball, not the ball forming around the air. also, assuming the ball is deformed by the bolt, so what, a baseball is deformed by the bat, which has a **** load of more energy between the two, but the thing snaps back into shape right away. the ball would snap back into its original shape before its even traveled a 1/4 inch down the barrel.

untrue

two piece barrels often use a method called stepdown, where the first half of the barrel should fit the ball perfectly while the second half should not.

the second half of the barrel gives small room around the ball creating quicker reshape of the paintball, therefore, depending on the barrel, paintballs will reshape quicker or slower.

[Miscue]

Something I wrote in an old thread:

If one gun has more range than another in a horizontal direction, then it should also have more range going in the vertical direction... just a matter of which way you point your gun. Correct? Say 'yes'... I know you can do it. (Reason why removing the horizontal is to simplify the physics for ya'll... same principles... less vectors to play with)

Let's say you shot a ball straight up in the air at 300fps. Can we all agree that this ball is at 300fps? Ok... 300fps now... right? Can you remember 300fps? 300fps... don't forget. 300fps, 300fps, 300fps. Everyone seems to ignore this 300fps thing when talking about range.

Classical physics denotes that in one-dimensional kinematics (which is the case when you shoot something perpendicular to the ground):

Distance = Initial Velocity x Time - 1/2 Accel. Gravity * Time^2

Now, the Maximum height is when the ball is shot up in the air and reaches 0 velocity... the point in which it is about to fall.

Time to reach maximum height = (Initial Velocity - 0 Velocity)/Accel. Gravity

Ok... let's plug some numbers in.

What do you think the Initial Velocity is? 300fps!!! Oh... you're so fast! Accel of gravity is approx 32 ft/sec^2.

Ok... solve for time first:
Time = (300 - 0) / 32 = 9.375 sec

Solve for Max Height:

Distance = 300ft/sec x 9.375s - (1/2)32ft/sec/sec * 9.375^2
Distance = 1406.25 ft.

Note... that there is no equation:

Distance = Initial Velocity x Time - 1/2 Accel. Gravity * Time^2 + PFM

Where PFM = the "Pure Magic" cocker constant. There's isn't a place in the equation to add or subtract distance in case you were using a cocker, mag, angel, sling shot, or high speed upchuck.

This equation applies to cannon balls, elephants, cocker spaniels, and bikini models... shot out of open-bolt markers, closed-bolt markers, rifles, cannons, catapults, ballistas... or even lifted up into the air via an explosive device.

Ok, so you want to be a stickler. "Ooh! Oooh! What about this buzzword 'drag' ? Huh? Huh!?!? That's all theoretical! Ooh! Look at the BIG techy word I just used! Theoretical! That doesn't apply in the REAL world"

I could calculate drag for you, but would require a lot more work and differential equations that you wouldn't understand anyway. Basically... most lack the necessary tool box to begin to understand such 'real world' computations. And besides, if you're using same projectile at same velocity... the effect of drag is identical anyway... so everything is equal... so what one projectile loses in drag... the other does as well. http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/falling.html

Look at this for a while, and if you understand it then maybe I'll give you some 'REAL' world calculations... which would be a waste of time because the fundamentals are the same... and the math would just end up saying the same thing: Two cows shot in the air by a cow sized cocker, or a cow sized mag, or an ACME Cow Chucker... will travel the same distance and hit the ground just as hard. Doesn't matter if it's a moo cow, dairy cow, or even a horse or English teacher with same mass and surface area...

http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~physedu/mapletutorial/tutorials/diff_eqs/

Bottom line is: Once the ball has left the gun... that ball is on it's own. However it was propelled... paintgun, spitwad straw, cocker, mag, outta your butt... whatever... it doesn't matter.

It's initially traveling at 300fps... end of story.

[robspectre]

Sorry guys. Something personal came up and I didnt get to do my test. I will do it asap. Hopefully one day during the week. If not maybe this sunday. Im going to test range and accuracy. And like I said....If Im wrong Ill admit it. I just got to see for myself.

Oh...and thanks for all the replies. I see this subject is a pretty good one. Maybe somebody will do more post like this one so we can all fight it out. I hate being the bad guy. Why dont one of you come up with some argument we can all get into. I know my subject isnt too original but im from Mississippi and Im dumb.......J/K.....LOL......But I am from Mississippi.

You guys play hard and have fun.
Your Friend.....
robspectre

[halB]

Originally posted by Retardrice


untrue

two piece barrels often use a method called stepdown, where the first half of the barrel should fit the ball perfectly while the second half should not.

the second half of the barrel gives small room around the ball creating quicker reshape of the paintball, therefore, depending on the barrel, paintballs will reshape quicker or slower.

what does that have to do with what i said? it doesnt matter whether u use a two piece, 5 piece, 1.5 piece or any piece barrel, the ball will not be deformed by the airblast. tom only did a test with a crap load of clear barrels to prove that.