Proposal for instant transmission of information, violating the speed of light.

[Hilltop Customs]

btw find a way to collapse space between the communication points, thats the only way to you have your ansibel. There will always be a reaction time unless the sender and receiver are literally 1 in the same. Or find something that does not respect the laws of physics....I'd start by looking at the autococker and shocker cause we all know they have longer range.

[halB]

there will still be a reaction time of the battery to the switch. Electrons will balance as the contacts of the switch come together, this will trigger a wave of electrons balancing down the line until they reach the battery and current can finally be measured.

BANG.

This is what I've been waiting for. Thank you. Back to the drawing board.

You answered, "how does a circuit know the switch is closed."

[michbich]

If the "instant transmission of information" was so simple, it would have already been invented.

[snoopay700]

BANG.

This is what I've been waiting for. Thank you. Back to the drawing board.

You answered, "how does a circuit know the switch is closed."

I'm a little late to this party, but he wasn't the first to mention this, he just explained it the clearest. Now then, like he said you can make an ansible, but you would have to have a worm hole or some other hole in the fabric of space and send information through that. That one article that was posted here seems promising but i'm still skeptical on if it can send information. Something more interesting would be trying to understand the other 7 dimensions, i understand 2 of those dimensions i think, 5 more to go....

[Frizzle Fry]

It has been suggested that a "quantum computer" could be created that mimics precisely the human "mind" (physical connections and neural pathways) that, utilizing the quantum properties of photons, could create "instant perception" hindered only by "the speed of light". For the sake of argument this computer is thought to exist "in free space, subject to material".

The idea basically boils down to "information as information" being considered a concept of human construction, and therefore subject only to human perception, which is limited by the physical construction of our neural network. Therefore, any transmission that can be created, sent, received and comprehended utilizing a human-styled neuronetwork (of subatomic particles in a non-organic form) faster than the "wetware" of humankind (which has a physically limited capacity to process information), is instantaneous.

For this theory to be fully realized, denial of the concept of a "nonphysical mind", acceptance of the possibility of artificial intelligence, and a somewhat controversial reevaluation of commonly accepted principals of quantum physics.

Some thought on the subject is based around the denial of the speed of light in a vacuum as a constant; and suggest that a "more ideal" environment that the vacuum we know could increase the speed of light beyond the suggested 299,792,458mps. An example would be the Scharnhorst effect, or so-called quantum tunneling caused by a reduction in vacuum fluctuations in a controlled environment that cuts certain wavelengths of the photon. Though predicted to be minuscule (completely unmeasurable by current methods) that would nonetheless be above the current suggested speed of light. Critics deny this by stating that diverted wavelengths are "lost", and imply that it is not true light-speed because of that loss. This doesn't follow (in my opinion, at least) because the vacuum environment implied by Einstein and used to measure the current commonly accepted "speed of light" rely on an environment where OTHER wavelengths are diverted or devalued based on environment, resulting in increased speed.

So, does this mean you can create an ansible? Nope. An ansible supposedly communicate information faster than the speed of light; both ideas (and the combination of the two) shown here rely on either a reevaluation of the meaning of "information" and the use of light speed, or an increase (possibly infinite) in the speed of light (which would still be " the speed of light"). What it does imply, however, is "instant communication of information".

http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=1016047
This is a great piece if you have access (JSTOR is an easy way to get to it). I took a few classes with him and learned quite a bit about optics, though I'm no expert.

[halB]

So, I had this new hypothesis.

Entanglement violates OUR concept of the speed of light, time, and cause and effect. BUT, if the entangled electrons communicate through another dimension, it could use their time. In other words, entanglement takes time, in another dimension we cannot see. If we can... access this dimension, use their time, we could have instant transmission of information.

Just more thoughts. The key to accessing the universe is to understand it.

[halB]

I'm a little late to this party, but he wasn't the first to mention this, he just explained it the clearest. Now then, like he said you can make an ansible, but you would have to have a worm hole or some other hole in the fabric of space and send information through that. That one article that was posted here seems promising but i'm still skeptical on if it can send information. Something more interesting would be trying to understand the other 7 dimensions, i understand 2 of those dimensions i think, 5 more to go....

No, he just explained it via science - instead of laymens analogies.

[halB]

http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/post.cfm?id=faster-than-light-electric-currents-2010-06-18

I win!

[nerobro]

Electricity is springy. That's why the "whole wire" doesn't move at once. Even at rather sane lengths, you can see the effects of the speed of electricity, and just how springy electricty is.

a 330' ethernet cable, has 8 bits of information in it at 100baset. That is, 8 complete changes of state across the cable, moving down it at 66% the speed of light.

[halB]

Meh, I may have been wrong in some regards, but this article shows that using a process similar to what I thought was occuring did work to do the impossible.

To use the analogy from the article, I thought that when the switch was closed all the "dominos" in the wire were smacked down at the same time, instead of one causing the other to fall. To be fair, I did not even consider this analogy until I read the article. But it is nice to get a little bit of validation.

I still do not fully believe that the information that the circuit is closed must be transmitted ahead of the electrical pulse - at the speed of light. This would be an easy experiment to do, however. I just don't have access to clocks and measuring devices that accurate.

[nerobro]

I don't understand why people were talking about information.

A power source is a pump. as long as it has voltage, the pump is "running." If your switch is in the middle of the circuit, the whole circuit from the positive end to the switch has a higher potential than the negative side. When you close the switch, the circuit tries to "level out" the potential.

Theres no "signal" passed. :-)

[Frizzle Fry]

I don't understand why people were talking about information.

Because the title is "Proposal for instant transmission of information, violating the speed of light"

[halB]

I don't understand why people were talking about information.

A power source is a pump. as long as it has voltage, the pump is "running." If your switch is in the middle of the circuit, the whole circuit from the positive end to the switch has a higher potential than the negative side. When you close the switch, the circuit tries to "level out" the potential.

Theres no "signal" passed. :-)

Awesome, then I was indeed right.

The switch being open or closed IS information. I mean, it can be stored in a computer as a 0 or a 1. The question was whether that information was transmitted from the switch to the battery instantly, or if it propogated at the speed of light. Basically, I was trying to conceive an entangled system using common tools. The question is, does the "leveling out" of the potential take time, or does it happen all at once.

In order to use the analogy from the article, does closing the switch cause the domino closest to the switch to fall, pushing down the next one, and the next one, at about the speed of light, OR, are all the dominos pushed down at once?

Hmmmm... where did all those skeptics from a year and a half go?

[nerobro]

The switch being open or closed IS information. I mean, it can be stored in a computer as a 0 or a 1. The question was whether that information was transmitted from the switch to the battery instantly, or if it propogated at the speed of light. Basically, I was trying to conceive an entangled system using common tools. The question is, does the "leveling out" of the potential take time, or does it happen all at once.

The leveling out takes time. Remember, electricity is springy.

[halB]

The leveling out takes time. Remember, electricity is springy.

What is the term for that? I would love to research this very topic but I do not know the terms of art to search for.