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punkcmonkiez
09-07-2003, 06:39 AM
im eventually gunna need a faster loader right now im running an xboarded revy with the vortex impellars. i dont really like the look and lid of the egg and the halo is kinda pricy but i can understand. anyways i think vl should somehow come up with a force fed loader in a revy shell because i really like the size and feel of my revy right now and i think with slight modifications to the revy design they could come up with some sort "FFrev" or somthing. would anyone else think this would be cool if it was possible?

pookachu32
09-07-2003, 07:32 AM
I to would really really wanna see this happen. I dig the way my revy sits on top of my angel compared to my egg2. But my 12v took a backseat to the egg this past tournament because I was afraid of chopping paint. To me the egg seems so much bigger and sits so much higher(didn't have time to cut down feedneck) than the 12v.

LaW
09-07-2003, 09:02 AM
I will never get rid of my revvy unless its for a better revvy.... I can live with outshooting it every once and a while, I just can't live with an ugly egg on top or the heavier halo... however people have said that by using the lithium battery packs for the halo or what not that it reduces the weight significantly.... its still pricey though but whatever

FalconGuy016
09-07-2003, 09:41 AM
Im not specifically pointed at you guys, but a LOT of people complain about a halo's weight... without even having HELD one before! Sure, they are heaviER, but its like one of those things... it really doesnt matter for the performance increase you are getting. Its a few ounces in a couple pound gun

LaW
09-07-2003, 10:05 AM
Originally posted by FalconGuy016
Im not specifically pointed at you guys, but a LOT of people complain about a halo's weight... without even having HELD one before! Sure, they are heaviER, but its like one of those things... it really doesnt matter for the performance increase you are getting. Its a few ounces in a couple pound gun


Actually its like not ounces but lbs :) but thats ok... I have played with one so I guess, felt the same while using the warp. I just cant feel very comfortable! I worry more about damaging more stuff on my marker then playing

FalconGuy016
09-07-2003, 10:19 AM
Originally posted by LaW



Actually its like not ounces but lbs :) but thats ok... I have played with one so I guess, felt the same while using the warp. I just cant feel very comfortable! I worry more about damaging more stuff on my marker then playing

The difference between a full revy and a full halo is in pounds? I must be strong or something cause it doenst feel like pounds to me :)

LaW
09-07-2003, 10:21 AM
Originally posted by FalconGuy016


The difference between a full revy and a full halo is in pounds? I must be strong or something cause it doenst feel like pounds to me :)

well not lbs but maybe a lb :)

Kevmaster
09-07-2003, 12:53 PM
BE's R&D has been notified of this idea/desire

Python14
09-07-2003, 02:19 PM
I've been toying with the idea for a while now and have seriously looked at modifying a revy to do that. It would ofcourse lower the ball capacity of it, but after your first hopper of paint, you won't get more than 140 rnds at any time. I'd also like to find a way to make it intellifed, but without wires.

stondroopy
09-07-2003, 02:29 PM
are the vortex impellars an after market upgrade and are they worth getting?

punkcmonkiez
09-07-2003, 03:13 PM
yes i dont get balls jammed under the impellar anymore like i used to... and it seems to feed faster and more steadily

Skoad
09-07-2003, 03:16 PM
you could probably easily make your own little force feed revy.

you just need a path for the balls to go down like in the evo. then maybe some better paddles

Python14
09-07-2003, 03:20 PM
I'm gonna work it on soon. I'll use the evo paddles and make a little tube the balls are shoved into.

manike
09-07-2003, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by LaW
Actually its like not ounces but lbs :) but thats ok...

Weight comparison of loaders can be found HERE! (http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=258251)

The gist of it is...


Originally posted by sdramones
FYI

Weight Comparison: HALO B vs Evlution 2 (push button)

Viewloader Evlution 2 (Push Button)
- Empty w/ 2 NiMH 9v batteries = 1 lbs 2.8 oz
- Empty w/ 2 Alkaline 9v 9v batteries = 1 lbs 3.0 oz
- Paint w/ 2 NiMH batteries = 2 lbs 10.9 oz***
- Paint w/ 2 Alkaline 9v batteries = 2 lbs 11.1 oz

Total# paintballs = 202

http://www.digitalpose.com/mbr/1/19115/p/363759_1584890908966352624_v.jpg

Odyssey HALO B
- EMPTY w/ 6 NiMH batteries = 1 lbs 9.1 oz
- EMPTY w/ 6 Rechargeable Alkaline Batteries = 1 lbs 8.0 oz
- EMPTY w/ 6 Alkaline batteries = 1 lbs 8.7 oz
- EMPTY w/ 6 Lithium batteries = 1 lbs 6.8 oz
- PAINT w/ 6 NiMH batteries = 2 lbs 13.7 oz
- PAINT w/ 6 Rechargeable Alkaline Batteries = 2 lbs 12.6 oz
- PAINT w/ 6 Alkaline batteries = 2 lbs 13.3 oz
- PAINT w/ 6 Lithium batteries = 2 lbs 10.9 oz***

Total# paintballs = 168

http://www.digitalpose.com/mbr/1/19115/p/367472_7024768647385440441_v.jpg

JT Revolution - non X-board
- Empty w/ 2 NiMH 9v batteries = 0 lbs 15 oz
- Empty w/ 2 Alkaline 9v 9v batteries = 0 lbs 17 oz
- Paint w/ 2 NiMH batteries = 2 lbs 4.7 oz***
- Paint w/ 2 Alkaline 9v batteries = 2 lbs 6.7 oz

http://www.digitalpose.com/mbr/1/19115/p/367467_6600054636260381029_v.jpg

METHODOLOGY
- Hoppers were filled including feedneck.
- Paintballs were shaken to fill to its capacity.
- Draxxus Blaze was used thought each weight test.

Note:
- Paintball sizes and weights vary from manufacturer to manufacturer.
- Battery weight from manufacturers vary as well.

SUMMARY

Evlution 2 (Push Button)
- Empty w/ 2 NiMH 9v batteries = 1 lbs 2.8 oz
- Paint w/ 2 NiMH batteries = 2 lbs 10.9 oz***
- Empty w/ 2 Alkaline 9v 9v batteries = 1 lbs 3.0 oz
- Paint w/ 2 Alkaline 9v batteries = 2 lbs 11.1 oz
HALO B
- EMPTY w/ 6 NiMH batteries = 1 lbs 9.1 oz
- PAINT w/ 6 NiMH batteries = 2 lbs 13.7 oz
- EMPTY w/ 6 Rechargeable Alkaline Batteries = 1 lbs 8.0 oz
- PAINT w/ 6 Rechargeable Alkaline Batteries = 2 lbs 12.6 oz
- EMPTY w/ 6 Alkaline batteries = 1 lbs 8.7 oz
- PAINT w/ 6 Alkaline batteries = 2 lbs 13.3 oz
- EMPTY w/ 6 Lithium batteries = 1 lbs 6.8 oz
- PAINT w/ 6 Lithium batteries = 2 lbs 10.9 oz***

The weight difference between the lightest Evlution 2 battery setup (NiMH 9v) and the lightest HALO B battery setup (Lithium AA Batteries) is ZERO (0) oz. There is no difference. They weigh exactly the same weight.

While the difference between the lightest EVLution setup with Rechargeable batteries and the lightest HALO B/ Rechargeable Alkaline battery setup is only 1.7 oz.

Rechargeable Alkaline AA is a better option in the long run because its cheaper and makes my HALO setup almost as light as the EVLution 2 setup. At $10 for 4 Lithium AA batteries its a lot more expensive.

Rechargeable Batteries used in test:

http://www.digitalpose.com/mbr/1/19115/p/364145_7948192550760306491_v.jpg

I had different types of AA batteries so I tested the weights:
EnergizerACCU Rechargeable NiMH (1.2v,1200mAh) = 1.0oz
Sony Cyber-shot Stamina Rechargeable NiMH (1.2v,1750mAh) = 1.0oz
RAYOVAC Rechargeable NiMH (1.2v, 1600mAh) = 1.0oz
RAYOVAC Rechargeable Alkaline (1.5v, not stated) = 0.8oz
Energizer E2 Lithium Batteries (1.5v, not stated) = 0.6oz

RRfireblade
09-07-2003, 04:14 PM
Good Data Manike,

To make it more realistic,the difference for most is ~4 1/2 OZ.Except to note that your not getting 202 Pballs in a Egg with out some effort,according to my counters it's usually like 180 which saves a little more weight then after the break your reloading like 140 max so your a little lighter still and then the Egg sits back on the gun which makes it feel quite a bit lighter still then my Halo that sits more foward.
Honestly,when I'm using the Halo I get used to it after a game or 2 but if I go back to the Egg I'm like holy crap,what a difference.So I'm pretty much with the Egg most of the time.

Jay.

GoatBoy
09-08-2003, 01:47 AM
That's an interesting point about the rechargeable alkalines, although I wonder how much use you will get out of them.

How come you haven't tried NiCd's? They're lighter than NiMH's, and I think they might even be lighter than alkalines. And they're going to be cheaper than NiMH's and Li-Ion's. I realize it's old technology, but it might actually suit this application.



The main reason I like the egg design isn't the weight, but the fact that the mass of the paint carrying is shifted back, so there's less hopper to be exposed on the front. This seems to be something that all the other hoppers seem to fail on.

LaW
09-08-2003, 02:09 AM
eh :) still seems way heavier to me :) just an excuse not to spend money on a halo :)

eh 1/2 a lb with paint difference and almost a full lb without paint but oh well