Why cant it be done???

[punkcmonkiez]

Blade triggers for emags. I know that it supposedly cant be done but why? how can not having the bump in the middle of the trigger make it not be able to function in manual mode. And if thickness is the problem why not just make the trigger thicker. It could like kinda like an eclipse trigger for impulses or somthing. but i just want to know why it cant be done??

[iownamag]

it can be done and that's exactly why there is one... its the like tl65 trigger or something like that (someone correct me becuase I cant remember exactly what it is). They seem pretty tough to get a hold of though. If you want one that bad you could always machine the bump off of your double trigger, but personally I don't see the point. If you look up "emag blade trigger" or somthing like that in a search you oughta find an answer to your question.

[Nick O time]

yeah it's the TL 63 Blade Trigger but it takes away mech mode on some emags and on some it doesn't. I have no clue why and no one has ever really answered, the usually just say oh my TL63 works in mech and stuff like that.:rolleyes:

[Skoad]

don't worry, theres another one in the works

check the dealer's forum

[Python14]

I don't see how removing 1/4 oz. of cosmetic metal can change the real world performance numbers of a gun. I mean, it seems comparable to saying that if you remove the arm rests from your car, it can no longer go in reverse.:confused:

[Nick O time]

but anyways there is like a magnet or something that goes in the hump, so that could be why but i am not sure so don't listen to me.

[vf-xx]

That Hump is not purely cosmetic. It houses the adjuster screw for the trigger magnet. This is why it is difficult to get rid of it. I do not know why some mags loose the mech mode with the TL63 trigger tho.

[-=Squid=-]

If there is a magnet in the hump, what about all the prototype roller triggers that cut through the middle?

[vf-xx]

I believe the first one actually bolted on the outside of the trigger.

as for ones actually in the trigger I do not know.

I belive that the TL63 triggers do not have the magnet adjuster anymore. You don't need the adjuster, but it will allow you to fine tune your trigger.

[Python14]

then why not just fill in the rest of the trigger space to flatten it out instead of removing the hump? Do you follow me?

[BajaBoy]

Originally posted by vf-xx
I believe the first one actually bolted on the outside of the trigger.

as for ones actually in the trigger I do not know.

I belive that the TL63 triggers do not have the magnet adjuster anymore. You don't need the adjuster, but it will allow you to fine tune your trigger.

you can still adjust it but not the way you would on a stock one..

[vf-xx]

Off hand I see no reason why not. The added mass may mess with the return magnet tho.

[punkcmonkiez]

ok i was just woundering why it supposedly didnt work in mech mode. because i herd that tom said it himself that you couldent do it. i figured it had to do with that magnet.

[Nick O time]

Tom seemed really pissed on that post too he was like

because sometimes the mech mode doesn't work and you could tell that to Tim and he could tell you to piss off

or sumtin along those lines. lol :D it was pretty funny

[TheBigRaguPB4L]

Originally posted by Nick O time
Tom seemed really pissed on that post too he was like

because sometimes the mech mode doesn't work and you could tell that to Tim and he could tell you to piss off

or sumtin along those lines. lol :D it was pretty funny


I think he said go to hell, but i'm not sure.

What i couldn't figure out is how losing the ability to adjust the magnet to trigger the HES, would affect the length of the trigger pull in manual? I really wish someone could explain.

Anywho, i got a tl63 trigger when i got my first emag and i don't think i've ever had any problems in manual.

[Muzikman]

Ok...here is the reason...

In the hump of the normal trigger there is a set screw to adjust the magnet to tell then gun when to fire (How close the trigger gets to the HES before it triggers it). You take that hump away means you can not adjust this anymore. So what does the TL trigger do to be a blade and also still be adjusted is to put this setscrew at the top of the trigger. As you adjust this screw it pivots the entire trigger back and forth which in return moves the magnet close to the HES. The reason this is not as good and my guess as to why it causes some guns to not work in mechanical mode is becuase the entire trigger moves, not just the magnet. If you adjust it too close you do not give the trigger enough forward travel to allow the trigger rod to rest. I think the people who have gotten it to work have adjusted the trigger rod (which is a no no!). It's early and I am late for work. If this makes no sense, I will fix it when I get to work.

[athomas]

Muzikman, you said it correctly.

The trigger rod does need to be adjusted in order for the tl63 trigger to work in mechanical mode. A lot of people don't do it. It is told that to do it will mess up the gun. In this case it is a necessity but must be done correctly. Once the trigger rod is properly adjusted, it will work in both mechanical mode and electronic.

I would like to see a blade trigger made that fills in the finger grooves and makes the trigger a little thicker front to back. This would work for me.:)

[ben_JD]

Originally posted by athomas
I would like to see a blade trigger made that fills in the finger grooves and makes the trigger a little thicker front to back. This would work for me.:) AGD had the trigger you describe on one of the prototype X-Mags, but it was quite unattractive. Someone may be able to find a picture and post it.

[rkjunior303]

what about reversing the design.. flat on the finger side but cut out the meat on the inside... leaving a block for the magnet, screw.. screw would be flush on the front..

[RenagadeOfFunk]

...MOO!

[athomas]

Originally posted by ben_JD
AGD had the trigger you describe on one of the prototype X-Mags, but it was quite unattractive. Someone may be able to find a picture and post it.

I've seen the picture of that one. I liked it and would buy one in an instant if they were to produce it.

[manike]

http://www.automags.org/~Manike/custom1.jpg

Here is one I prototyped just to try out the idea. John Sosta then went on to cut the back of it to make it thinner at the bottom. If you can find a pic of his tequila fade gun you should be able to see it.

[Kevmaster]

see...that trigger dont look so good...not nearly as good as a grooved or TL63

[RRfireblade]

Could be like this......

[punkcmonkiez]

couldent it even look somthing like this??

[manike]

I don't believe either of those will work if you want to keep the magnet hidden and with the same range of adjustment as the original. If you don't mind being able to see the magnet then they might work.

The angled edge at the bottom and rear of mine came up to the point exactly below where the magnet is. I don't think you can have it come any higher without exposing the magnet.

[manike]

Originally posted by punkcmonkiez
couldent it even look somthing like this??

Not really, there isn't enough metal to hold where the magnet is, so you might accidently knock it off the adjustment screw... you could glue it on, but the magnet would be out in the open and visible. If that's not an issue you could do it.

[ben_JD]

Actually, the trigger posted by Manike is not too bad. There was an unfortunately unattractive trigger on a tequila fade mag. I love the idea, but the magnet is just too fat.

[punkcmonkiez]

i still dont see what the big deal is... cant the magnet just be housed in an extrusion off the back of the trigger...

[manike]

Originally posted by punkcmonkiez
i still dont see what the big deal is... cant the magnet just be housed in an extrusion off the back of the trigger...

???

[RRfireblade]

Well.

Since I don't have an Emag:(

I have an XMAG:D

Except it's still laying in parts on a table at AGD:(

What is the total length of the Mag/Adj assembly?

I think my 5 second trigger job should enclose most,if not all of it.Even if a tiny bit stuck out I'd be cool with that,it's not like a Mag doesn't usually have a trigger rod sticking out back anyway.

Jay.

P.S.
Look how far Mags have come,we used to say "sure it's ugly but I'm all about performance." Now we even want the triggers to be sexy.;)

[punkcmonkiez]

heres what i ment in my previous post, you would make a bump out on the back of the trigger to put the magnet in this would make up for the space lost by the front grove being gone. now this would mean that the trigger itself woulf have to be moved slightly forward so he gun would work in mechanical mode and the trigger could travel all the way back. i dont know if this would work but its an idea

[iownamag]

I think your on to something... but I believe you would need another hump on the trigger where the sear would hit the trigger in mechanical mode, so basically you are filling in the grooves of the stock trigger, then cutting out the parts in the back of the trigger not needed to hold the magnet or come in conact with the sear... hmmm, this would be touchy tho and so it'd probably take agd a really long time to develope since they would want to make it perfect. Why not just stick with the tl63? and not use mechanical mode?

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by iownamag
this would be touchy tho and so it'd probably take agd a really long time to develope since they would want to make it perfect. Why not just stick with the tl63? and not use mechanical mode?

No Mech=No hybrid=Bite your tounge sir.

I don't really think it's that complicated really.You just couldn't make it as thin as a TL63.

It should be this easy........

Jay.

[iownamag]

point taken on the hybrid comment, but I still think that bumps in the back would work better, because in your plan that is pushin it a little close to the set screw thing for the magnet in the hump. And it's plenty complicated enough, or else agd would have a solution already. Is the tl63 made by agd? I don't know much about them at all.

[punkcmonkiez]

no the tl63 was not made by agd...now rrfireblade the only thing is that yours still cuts off the bump in the middle s little bit... and from what i understand you need all that space in order to have the screw so you have to compinsate for space lost by removing the bump

[RRfireblade]

I don't think you need all of it(hump).I remember the svrew on mine being a little ways down in there.You might just give up a tad of adjustment or have a tiny bit of magnet stick out the back.

Jay.

[athomas]

Here's the one I was talking about:

<img src="http://www.warpig.com/paintball/tournament/milleniumseries/2002/campaign/gallery/agdccextremes03882" border="0" alt="">



I like it.


You can't have just a hump on the back. The magnet has to be encased on the back, plus the back of the trigger also has to be in the proper location to properly engage the trigger rod. So, the back of the trigger must be placed/designed first. Then the ergonomics and funtionality of the front side must be done last.

[manike]

That's EXACTLY the same trigger as in my picture, just after John cut the back a bit more.

[athomas]

Here is a modified version with a slope to the back:

[Muzikman]

Hmm..not to get off the topic...but is that an on/off switch in the front?

[manike]

Originally posted by Muzikman
Hmm..not to get off the topic...but is that an on/off switch in the front?

Yes.

[DJBacon06]

i love the looks of the first trigger!


...i really wish i had an e-mag so i could know what the jesus is going on...

[punkcmonkiez]

i dont think that first trigger on the tequila fade is really all that bad myself.. with slight modifycation it could look pretty nice

[Muzikman]

Better have some big hangs to reach that trigger:)

[CoolHand]

I am working on a TL63 alternative as we type.

BTW, I love the photoshop engineering you guys are doing.

Lets me know what shapes you all like.

Check out the dealers forum for updates.

Later