View Full Version : Rail Proto #2 with Pics
Here is the 2nd gen proto. We believe its ready to go.
AGD
Comparison of #1 and #2
bmexline
10-07-2003, 01:38 PM
very nice, if it fits an emag then i'm in as soon as they become available.
edweird
10-07-2003, 01:39 PM
I approve... alot.
In fact I may pick one up and have the back milled out to give it the sick Y shaped fork wings
sure it may frag my warranty... but im fool with that.
Remington
10-07-2003, 01:46 PM
Looks great to me Tom. Good job! :D
rikkter
10-07-2003, 01:50 PM
well i'm sold to that if you make it in nickel. ;)
trev_pbller
10-07-2003, 01:55 PM
I really like it..I also like the fact that it appears to be a bit skinnier than Proto #1...Tom have you ever thought about anno matching these to the bodys, so current owners/new potential buyers can have a color match straight from AGD?? Just a thought...keep up the good work.
Trev
gibby
10-07-2003, 01:56 PM
Hrm...for some reason, it still doesn't flow. Everything seems so "disconnected" if that's a good way to describe it.
FRENZY
10-07-2003, 01:57 PM
Beautiful!;) ^I think it's the bicycle grip that throws it off, it's not as sleek as the rest of the marker.
davidnj
10-07-2003, 01:58 PM
I still think the sides should curve up more so it looks less like a shelf with the body and more like its holding the body.
Still WAY nicer than the stock rails though. If I didn't have omega rails on my mags I'd probably buy one. I may still pick one up and build a third mag around it for fun though.
Carnage
10-07-2003, 02:00 PM
Very nice! I know Im going to be buying one when they come out =)
spantol
10-07-2003, 02:05 PM
I'm a big fan. One will be gracing my Hypermag as soon as they're available.
Dayspring
10-07-2003, 02:07 PM
/me likes. :)
50 cal
10-07-2003, 02:10 PM
New rail looks good. Much better than #1.
danheneise
10-07-2003, 02:12 PM
wow the new one is definately hotness, i WILL be buying one
lord1234
10-07-2003, 02:18 PM
very pretty tom..i like a lot
Creative Mayhem
10-07-2003, 02:21 PM
Tom, i like it. I really do, but you need to fix one thing, and i pointed this out on the other one. The vert bottle adapter is too big for the mating surface of the rail. The vert hangs over the sides of the rail, and creates an ugly looking lip. It just doesn't flow together. I think the rail needs to be a hair larger to get rid of this lip.
This is my only beef. Other than this I think it is a perfect stock rail design and you should crank these babies out, after you fix this small unsightly lip.
RoadDawg
10-07-2003, 02:50 PM
Originally posted by gibby
Hrm...for some reason, it still doesn't flow.
Agreed. It just doesn't get me going. I do however like the idea of it narrowing and then going bigger.
SIGSays
10-07-2003, 03:00 PM
i would have to add to that...
it's all flowing til it hits where the va is.. i mean some how it doesn't seem right...
dinger
10-07-2003, 03:09 PM
...
that thing has cool waves, but it needs curves now.
i agree with CM that the lip thing is rather ugly.
i think it'd look better with a nice anno :)
personman
10-07-2003, 03:21 PM
I know its probally a stupid idea and wont become an idea, but I would love a rail that is as light as possible and kind of hugs up to the body so there isnt as much of a lip and its more flowing.. and by as light as possible I mean like I dont care how it looks as long as it kinda flows.. matches up with the grip frame and body and valve :D
The rail is NOT smaller than the vert adapter they are the same size or the rail is a little bigger. What you are seeing is the bottom angle of the rail coming up off the vert adapter and creating a gap. We need this so the original vert adapters will fit somewhat.
The front hump is required to give the body proper support and keep it centered. That is about the only place holding it in postion when you superman into a bunker.
AGD
Creative Mayhem
10-07-2003, 03:32 PM
Ahhhh... i understand... it must be the pictures then, it still looks "off" in that area, but I will take you word on it, seeing that you are looking at it in the flesh, so to speak. Thanks for the explanation.
TheClapp15
10-07-2003, 03:56 PM
Sign me up, I'll take one in crome!
CrazyLad
10-07-2003, 04:22 PM
i dont like how it goes in and out.
front view to clear things up.
spacedtedybear
10-07-2003, 05:12 PM
oooo, looks nice. What is the weight difference between prototype and the old body rail?
RenagadeOfFunk
10-07-2003, 05:13 PM
"Where are the right sided warpfeed bodies?" is my question...
i like tictacs
10-07-2003, 05:22 PM
I don't own a mag, but that looks pretty nice.
Blennidae
10-07-2003, 05:23 PM
Any chance you could post a pic with a standard AGD Minimag vert adapter so we can see how it fits? Most of the aftermarket vert adapters are not flat across the top like the one in the pic.
:eek: I WANT ONE!!
Any chance you can get picture of it with a minimag body. :D
David9862
10-07-2003, 05:33 PM
Where is the ASA mounted on the rail front or back of the slot? If it is at the back of the slot, will the ASA hang out in front of the rail when mounted at the front most position in the slot? If so how about extending the rail so it won't.
Sweet! Thank you Tom :D
Can't wait to get one.
ChuckWag78
10-07-2003, 05:47 PM
Looks Great!!
HOW MUCH?!!!!! AND WHEN?!!!!!!!!
tony3
10-07-2003, 06:11 PM
wow, minimag looks GREAT on it! I really like it.
CrazyLad
10-07-2003, 07:35 PM
ok i guess it just doesnt look good on the warp body. I think it looks really good on the mini body.
ß?µ£ §mµ®ƒ
10-07-2003, 08:45 PM
Is that a black oring on the base powerfeed of the minimag?
I think I might do that incase its like raining cause its not a full weld.
Mag Master 04
10-07-2003, 09:00 PM
thats gonna look really good when it gets milled out and shined up, gimme a gloss black to matchthe intelliframe and i am in for sure, i might just have to build ANOTHER mag just because of this rail, keep it up
wageslave
10-07-2003, 09:43 PM
Well I'm sold, just waiting on availability and pricing. :D
Big_Chops
10-07-2003, 09:52 PM
sweet now i don't have to hack my body in shop class to fit a warp ule on my gun.
Cilio - Knightmare Tango
10-07-2003, 10:18 PM
I like it and would buy one.
robertjuric
10-07-2003, 10:24 PM
I know what it is. It looks like the rail is "cradling" the body, it needs to look like its "hugging" it instead. To make it look like the rail flows into the body as 1.
Besides that....sexay. :D
I like this new one a lot better. The thinning of the middle makes it flow (that word has been thrown around a lot). However, something seems to be wrong. In the very first pic it looks like the "z" shape cut used to position the valve is straight. Is that an error, or will the final product have just a straight cut?
Other than that question, all I want to know is how much?
xrancid_milkx
10-07-2003, 11:53 PM
Nice work, this is deffinitly going on my "To Get" list.
It also saves me a lot of trouble trying to find an Omega rail. Thanks again Tom.
Release Date?
GA Devil
10-08-2003, 07:44 AM
That is awsome. Ive been looking for a different style rail for my mag.
Mr.Orange
10-08-2003, 08:01 AM
Hello all,
My humble opinion.
It does not work. It ruins the lines, classic lines, of the marker.
The body is round, but the rail is all over the place, it does not look good at all.
And this rail may fit any body, but won't work on Emag/RTP.
Why use the drop in pin? Go to the RTP pin and sear, it is the best you have to offer, and quality is what we expect, then it works on ALL mags.
Also, the rail is a thing of the past Tom. It was when you were integrating a Stainless tube to a trigger frame. Get rid of the rail! Go with a integrated body/rail system as your Xmag! It is a better solution and removes tolerance errors, looks cleaner less parts etc... The rail is past, move on...
James
Naples Italy
Big_M
10-08-2003, 10:18 AM
Well, it's not my favorite rail. I don't like how the ASA and the rail go together, the tabs sticking out and the whole U shape on top of the asa, maybe if was flat, who knows, but I will say it's a hell of a lot better then the original rail, but not perfect. BTW, I may have missed this, but is this supposed to replace the rail on stock mags?
Muzikman
10-08-2003, 10:42 AM
Ok, I still don't like it. Yes, it's better than the old rail, but still not quite all there. The body still does not fit right. It looks like you are trying to put a round peg into a square hole. If you look at the front wings and how they come up to meet the body, that does not look bad, you need to keep that idea the entire length. As for the ASA, that has to be changed. Those two things fit like the black glove on OJ. Please do something with that, it looks like the ASA is going to snap off. Also, someone talked about using a threaded sear pin. I am a big supporter of this as I think that was a big improvement over the drop in pin.
nerobro
10-08-2003, 01:58 PM
I REALLY LIke this rail. I think I liked the last one a little more though. It's going to be lighter. I like the adjustable foregrip possition.... Sure it's like a round peg in a square hole, but that's just the nature of the mag ;-)
I think I need to start collecting parts for anotehr mag.... I have the love again. And finally there's something truely NEW to build. (it's stunning that my 95 micromag was still up to date untill some very recent developments....)
JT2002
10-08-2003, 04:06 PM
i too am with teh people who still think you should give the contouring the rail with the curves of the body a try. looks nice, but its true, it looks like a barrel sitting on top of shelf.:rolleyes: :D ;) ;) not even the old rails were like that
jaylock33
10-08-2003, 07:22 PM
sweet. I want one!
magmasta1234
10-08-2003, 09:49 PM
its nice, i love the compactness.
SkyBoySurfer
10-09-2003, 07:03 AM
Man I would love one in Crome or Annoed Red to mach my ULE man that would be sick..
and of there under $50 you would probly sell them like crazy
CoFFeY[NiTrO]
10-09-2003, 07:44 AM
I like it a lot.
space_weazel_45
10-09-2003, 12:34 PM
well its been proven agin that you can not please everyone tom has gone through months of having every last person give their imput and then crated this only to have people show up and complain, tom just move forward with the rail and people who like it will buy it people who dont wont. thats the truth you can not make a product that everyone is going to like.
beautiful rail tom and thanks for including the AO community in this new product.
Caffiend
10-09-2003, 01:19 PM
wow, nice looking stock rail
danheneise
10-09-2003, 02:18 PM
Originally posted by space_weazel_45
well its been proven agin that you can not please everyone tom has gone through months of having every last person give their imput and then crated this only to have people show up and complain, tom just move forward with the rail and people who like it will buy it people who dont wont. thats the truth you can not make a product that everyone is going to like.
beautiful rail tom and thanks for including the AO community in this new product.
totally true, I really do want anything except the stock rail, it's just too plain, yet the other rails (rogue rail) and stuff just seem too big, this design seems great and would keep the compactness look of the mag stay. probably the only reason i wouldn't buy an x/emag is it is a tad bit larger. so PLEASE produce this rail even if there are people who don't care for it.
jtoothman25
10-09-2003, 04:31 PM
Hows the rail look on an emag? Does it fit with a ULE warp body?
hardr0ck68
10-09-2003, 08:25 PM
is it just me or does that ULE body look like it has interchangeable breaches....
lamby
10-10-2003, 12:37 PM
I dont like it...
What is with the wings? it looks like an aluminum maxipad.
It has no flow with the body at all. To me it looks gaudy, and not well proportioned to the ule body at all.
Just my opinion (and as you all know, they are like A-holes. We all have them and sometimes they smell)
Lamby
WARPED1
10-11-2003, 03:52 PM
How much will these be in good ole cashola?
Schnitzel
10-11-2003, 04:03 PM
i agree with lamby. its the only part on the mag that is curvy...at the same time i appreciate that tom is attempting to revamp some old designs with a little touch of flare. it just doesnt mesh well.
hAppy
10-12-2003, 09:14 AM
thats pretty nice! maybe you didnt say or i didnt catch it
how much is the rail gonna run?
mangomag
10-13-2003, 06:53 PM
Sweet looking rail! I'd for sure trade my old rail in for one of those! How much is that thing gonna cost?
Trauma
10-13-2003, 11:35 PM
yeah I agree, curves don't run smooth with the body, maybe cuts of some sort would look better, but it looks wierd
WARPED1
10-13-2003, 11:50 PM
Would someone at AGD please answer mine, and many other question? HOW MUCH? I predict $90.
This part is meant for the lower end auto- and minimags right? So, don't price it out of range for those buyers. Personally, anything around $50 is perfect. However, anything over $70 and I won't buy one.
TheAmazingJelloMag
10-15-2003, 02:19 PM
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
Too bad I have an orig. RT
rikkter
10-15-2003, 04:00 PM
i agree about the price. if its over 60 i'd most likely not buy one. would rather send rail into to nicad and have him mill it for cheaper.
as for the people that mention how it doesn't flow with the body, its not suppose to! it would be nice however, but this isn't the 'ULE Rail'
just something better(lot better) looking than the stock rail.
WARPED1
10-15-2003, 04:14 PM
Originally posted by TheAmazingJelloMag
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet
Too bad I have an orig. RT Theres some kinda drop in mod for original RT's, maybe it would allow you to use the new rail?
Are these eventually going to be stock on mags?
Tunaman
10-15-2003, 04:26 PM
a couple of ball end slots down the sides like the ULE and it would rock...In the back too.;)
mcveighr
10-16-2003, 11:37 AM
Does the ule rail finish match the finish on the y frame, intelli frame, and ule mainbody?
kosmo
10-18-2003, 12:04 PM
Originally posted by Tunaman
a couple of ball end slots down the sides like the ULE and it would rock...In the back too.;)
Bingo
xrancid_milkx
10-18-2003, 05:29 PM
I think people are forgeting this is going to replace all am/mm rails, and its considered a "budget" rail, not some brand new ULE Milled out work of art.
For what your going for Tom I really like it.
sps16
10-18-2003, 05:52 PM
thats nice, but i'm saving my emag for the rouge rail :)
frost
10-19-2003, 08:28 PM
BONER!
studley192
10-19-2003, 11:17 PM
i guess its okay, but i wouldnt be like " oh my god that is awesome!!! " if i saw it in a shop. i think something that appeals to the masses, not just AO people in here, is what would do good. If you could integrate the body rail into the grip and vert asa in a way that made them seem as one, but still seperate parts, that would be awesome. Not to boast, but i milled my own rail, and people at tournies came up and asked where i got it and wanted me to do one for them. I used a dremel, which takes forever, so i declined. But im sure with a cnc mill at your hand you could do a much better job wit hthe whole flame milling thing. I dunno i just milled it how i thought itd look cool, other people may like other things. here the link to the thread http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=103380
TheClapp15
12-02-2003, 11:01 PM
Tom, please hurry...I need this to finish my new mag.
Any details on release?
how about a AGD "stuff we are working on list"?
sneakyhacker420
12-02-2003, 11:48 PM
mill some of the aluminum out from under the valve... make it a bit lighter still :cool:
otherwise, the gen-2 rail is very nice! :D
Hephaestus
12-03-2003, 12:04 AM
Very Sexy Curves!
Tom you sure know how to turn up the heat!
In my mind I picture a beautiful lady when I see that profile. With these new rails on I can never see mags the same way again!
Heph.
Wrathchild
12-03-2003, 01:54 AM
Pure genius...it is SO hot.
Evil1
12-03-2003, 02:49 AM
When can I get one? About how much will they run? In that front view pic is a bolt even in that gun?
GA Devil
12-03-2003, 08:32 AM
Will they work with the hyperframe since the frame has the dovetail design? On the stock rail the hyper "keys" on in a way. Its a very sexy rail and would be interested in 1 for both our mags if they work with the frame.
FragTek
12-03-2003, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by gibby
Hrm...for some reason, it still doesn't flow. Everything seems so "disconnected" if that's a good way to describe it.
I agree with this statement, I think that it could be designed to "flow" as gibby said, better with the rest of the parts. It seems to far out of its place, as it doesnt match any other lines on the gun.
robdamanii
12-03-2003, 09:23 AM
I agree that it doesn't quite flow...it would look very very nice if it sort of "cradled" the body more. Then it would look very much like it belonged.
FragTek
12-03-2003, 09:25 AM
Exactly... It needs to hug the body a bit more imho.
Welcome to AO robdamanii!
robdamanii
12-03-2003, 09:34 AM
Originally posted by FragTek
Exactly... It needs to hug the body a bit more imho.
Welcome to AO robdamanii!
Thanks!
The rail just needs to flow more into the body and the VA, then it would be absolutely beautiful. As it is, it's ok. Nothing that gets my juices flowing, but perhaps there could be more than one version of it?
Eric Cartman
12-26-2003, 05:28 PM
Holy thread resurection Batman!
Um... Any idea what (if anything) is happening with these? Is AGD going to go ahead and produce them? I'm not in huge rush or anything, but I'd like to know if they're still on anyone's radar.
Cheers.
DiRTyBuNNy
04-21-2004, 05:39 PM
Yes..I know I'm resurrecting an old thread...but I had heard that this idea was dropped because of cost...and that the AM/MM rails are going bye...so we're stuck with the somewhat ugly RT Pro rail now?
Major Jam
04-21-2004, 06:13 PM
http://www.logicpaintball.com/AllRails.jpg
These don't work from Logic Paintball?
http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=133110
Oh and Rogue Rails:
http://home.earthlink.net/~roguefactor/images/RogueRails.jpg
http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=110719
DiRTyBuNNy
04-21-2004, 06:17 PM
and they don't have a warranty from AGD either...(at least the Logic's don't)...and I'd rather not have a rail that looks like a speculum or a WWII aircraft carrier...thanks..
JT2002
04-21-2004, 07:27 PM
bunny, wtf are u talkin bout? the logic rail looks VERY similiar to teh agd one u seem to want, cept it doesnt look like a friggin shelf
shorty43543
04-21-2004, 07:32 PM
is that barrel on that purple mag at the begining carbon fiber :confused:
chasden
04-21-2004, 07:35 PM
I like Tom's new rail better than the old ones, but it still has too much meat on it for my taste. I'd like to see it milled down some more, keeping the general shape of the curves of the 2nd prototype.
It's about time AGD came out with decent looking rail. Cheers!
Jerhew
04-21-2004, 07:49 PM
ya what's the lowdown Tom?
are they still in the works or are they scrapped?
DiRTyBuNNy
04-21-2004, 09:41 PM
bunny, wtf are u talkin bout? the logic rail looks VERY similiar to teh agd one u seem to want, cept it doesnt look like a friggin shelf
and you've also shown you can't read either...the Logic is NOT endorsed by AGD and does not fall under it's warranty...Logic has to warranty your gun if there is a problem...not AGD...and that's not a chance I want to take...
JT2002
04-22-2004, 10:06 AM
well thats your choice. but its still very similiar
CoolHand
04-22-2004, 07:29 PM
...Logic has to warranty your gun if there is a problem...not AGD...and that's not a chance I want to take...
That, sir, is not entirely true.
The way the AGD warranty works is this - If you install an aftermarket part, and IT causes the marker not to work; when you send it in, they will replace the offending part, and charge you for it.
However, if the problem is not with the aftermarket part, they will fix it like normal, and all is well.
Our warranty is there, in case the former happens (which it shouldn't, but you know Murphey).
Oh_Davey
04-22-2004, 07:51 PM
I still think the sides should curve up more so it looks less like a shelf with the body and more like its holding the body.
Thats what I was thinking, I don't like the flat spot between the body and the top of the rail. If you could pull that in a little closer it would look a lok better.
Dubstar112
04-22-2004, 08:06 PM
DB - You once called me a liar, and while I won't do the same to you at this time, it is clear (to me at least) that you either have a warped grasp of the facts, or you are intentionally misrepresenting them.
I agree with CoolHand. DB, you know that every thing that is NOT endorsed by AGD isnt bad right?
I dont know you, or have any intentions to flame you, but I see an awful lot of negativity in an awful lot of your posts.. That and/or you seem to be really confident in what you said- Which I dont have a problem with but in some cases I believe you have a very narrow mind.
Chronobreak
04-22-2004, 09:41 PM
so back to the rails my gues is this desighn was dropped i woulnt wait for one ex when coolhands are just as good if not better honetly i though this thread was dead and i saw it UPPEd and hoped tom made a reply but nope...:mad:
DiRTyBuNNy
04-23-2004, 01:15 PM
I agree with CoolHand. DB, you know that every thing that is NOT endorsed by AGD isnt bad right?
I dont know you, or have any intentions to flame you, but I see an awful lot of negativity in an awful lot of your posts.. That and/or you seem to be really confident in what you said- Which I dont have a problem with but in some cases I believe you have a very narrow mind.
so you're saying that my choice not to purchase a product because it does not have the full endorsement of AGD is bad? Someone asked me why I wouldn't purchase one of CH's rails and I'm being negative? You've got to be kidding me..You're more of a fanboy lackey than I ever thought...
Dubstar112
04-23-2004, 08:12 PM
so you're saying that my choice not to purchase a product because it does not have the full endorsement of AGD is bad? Someone asked me why I wouldn't purchase one of CH's rails and I'm being negative? You've got to be kidding me..You're more of a fanboy lackey than I ever thought...
:rolleyes:
No, Im not saying your choice is bad or wrong. I did not say your decision was negative. I was making an observation that I believe is true, and asking a question. Which incase you cant read properly is: Do you think that everything thing that isnt endorsed by AGD is bad? That is what I wanted to know.
As simple as that, this is a public forum, open to public opinion and if you're going to take offense to it, then I dont know what to say. I made a critisizing post, and you go off like I flamed you or somthing.
I cant wait to see what smart alec remarks you have.
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