Overboard Drug Raid in a SC School [Archive]

FalconGuy016

11-08-2003, 07:26 PM

Searches are not a bad idea at all. But busting in the school and making everyone lay on the floor guns drawn is not a good idea. What are they kids gonna do? Pull out their guns and shoot them? No... this is a DRUG SEARCH. When they search our school they just lockdown the building for 20 minutse and run dogs through the place, but they dont come busting in and ordering everyone to the floor. Thats just plain wrong

search, but dont do stupid crap like they are all criminals. No reason to point guns at people for no reason, no good comes from it. Especially kids in a school, that wont go down well with the parents

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The more I think about it the worse it is. Make the drug offender lie on the floor, but why everyone? If cops had a gun to my head and told me to lay on the floor for something they had no idea whether I had done or not (and that goes for anyone) would not make me happy. I'm sure thats against some kind of human right. Its one thing if this was the ONLY way, but this is just the WORST way to do it.

Surreal

11-08-2003, 07:27 PM

i wouldn't be, especially if i was still in high school. that's a sick reason to get out of class for awhile.

"hey son what did you do at school today?"
"i had a gun pointed at my head as i laid on the ground. but i got out of class, so it was worth it"

when i was in high school i did anything to get out of class.. i donated blood whenever they had the blood drive, and i even asked the nurse "hey i'll donate some major organs if you hold me in this room for another period or two"

kenndogg

11-08-2003, 07:35 PM

if this is what it takes to keeps drugs and gang banger wannabs in check then I'm all for it. Face it rent-a-cops just ain't gonna do it. You need real cops shoving .45s down the throats of pushers and gang bangers to show that schools can be a safe place to be.

PyRo

11-08-2003, 07:37 PM

They didn't catch anyone...
Face it kids are going to do drugs, no one is going to stop it.

kenndogg

11-08-2003, 07:46 PM

Originally posted by PyRo
They didn't catch anyone...
Face it kids are going to do drugs, no one is going to stop it.

I have no problems with that, just don't do/sell drugs or gang bang at school. Its an place for learning and should be kept that way. If it takes raids to do it so be it.

Surreal

11-08-2003, 07:47 PM

not to mention, i seriously doubt that a cop would stick his gun right in the face of some kid who was being fully 100% compliant with the orders they are being given. you guys know how kids are, they want to rebel against everything and everyone. i wasn't there, and neither were any of you, we have NO IDEA what those kids were doing/saying to the cops.

-Carnifex-

11-08-2003, 07:52 PM

I was under the impression that's how raids work.

Lohman446

11-08-2003, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by PyRo
They didn't catch anyone...
Face it kids are going to do drugs, no one is going to stop it.

My kids will not, if that involves them going to a center for kids that need discipline (basically parent elected juvie) they will not.

I watched one of my friends bury his 25 year old son today... the same age I am. It was a tragedy that involved a party out of hand, someone using drugs, and a pistol. In addition to leaving his mother and father, he leaves two small children. And I know, from personally watching, that this family had taken every step to get their son help...

The look on the face of the mother and father for the past three days since it happened, of total shock, disbeleif... the look on there faces today in front of the casket is enough to make me take any action necessary to keep my kids away from that scene - when your child dies in a car accident, of cancer - (I buried a brother in law a couple years ago who died under 30 of cancer) it is unavoidable. When they die because of someone elses act... I cannot begin to know how that must feel, I cannot begin to understand how anyone copes with that. I am removed from it, and I cannot come to terms with what I would do in their situation.

Konigballer

11-08-2003, 08:15 PM

A police search with ALL the students forced to lay on the floor at gun point...........wow. God I love fascism, er..I mean democracy. Jeezuz, was it really necessary to do it that way.

Ov3rmind

11-08-2003, 08:22 PM

Originally posted by Surreal
that's not unnecessary. they are doing their job. stop being pansys. maybe all these little gang banging retarded kids in high school will finally learn their lesson with a .45 right in their grill.
I'm sure a ".45 right in their grill" also taught all the innocent (majority) of kids a lesson as well.:rolleyes:

It was uncalled for.

Even though I don't live there, $500 says drugs will keep going around. You're naive if you think you'll be able to stop kids from doing it. All this did was accomplish nothing and piss off parents. I personally hope some lawyers get involved.

jdev

11-08-2003, 08:26 PM

wheres deadeye, matt and CB?

I agree with kendogg.

schools are an ideal drug trafficing area. when i was in high school, i saw it all the time. this is sort of like a scared straight for students. though, with my demeanor and all, i might have taken the "get that gun out of my face unless you intend to use it" attitude ;)

it is a little on the extreme side, and people who live a sheltered life and try to pretend things like this dont happen wont agree with this. they are more likely to say, talk to the kids about drug use, blah blah blah..

personally, im on lohmans side. If I had kids, i found them using drugs... i would definitely make them regret them ever picking it up.

FalconGuy016

11-08-2003, 08:29 PM

Yes, all it accomplished was piss off parents and if anything else, make kids hate cops even more. Why are you guys supporting a raid like this? Its totaly uncalled for, a drug search sure, but RAID? Do you understand the concept of a raid? Maybe go raid some drug house basement, that would be appropriate for the kind of behaviour they acted on this SCHOOL. What does shoving a gun down your throat DO? What was the POINT OF IT? It does NOTHING but make everyone angry, and it wont help the original intent to find drugs in any form. To support this means you havent thought yet

Ov3rmind

11-08-2003, 08:34 PM

Why loaded guns? I still want to know. Did they intend on shooting any students? They were there because there was marijuana being distributed, not because a group of kids were brandishing guns. Late last year at my school, a kid beat the living crap out of someone to the point where their face was covered in blood and they had several broken bones. Guess how they arrested him? Oh wow, one police officer who didn't even touch his gun. Why the Hell do they need them waving around loaded guns on suspected marijuana use?

laxkid

11-08-2003, 08:40 PM

I agree with FalconGuy016 it shouldnt be that way it isnt like the kids will pull out guns and blow the cops away in my school they have lockdowns too for 30 minutes or so they lock every door and just bring some dogs in to search for drugs and sniff the lockers for drugs and they sometimes search yuor bags if the dogs smell something in the room thats it no guns no hand cuffs.

PyRo

11-08-2003, 08:57 PM

Originally posted by Lohman446

My kids will not, if that involves them going to a center for kids that need discipline (basically parent elected juvie) they will not.

If they want to they will and you won't stop them. Everyone I know who doesn't do drugs doesn't because they don't want to, not because there parents don't want them to. I know people whose parents say the same thing, then there kid goes and does it, this kid got sent away 2 years to rehab, and special schools for kids with discipline problems. He attacked teachers, his parents, got into fights stole cars thats how he ended up there. Well he got back a few months ago, and guess what he is doing again? My parents don't want me to drugs, I could only imagine what they would do if I did, but thats not why I don't do it, I don't because I don't want to. I know people whose parents are so strict and such, and they cannot stop there kids.

Konigballer

11-08-2003, 10:08 PM

the cops should have brought stereos and blasted The Imperial March from star wars to get the maximum effect.

MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata

11-08-2003, 10:13 PM

*EDIT* Cuss like that again, and you will get a 3 day ban. Keep on doing it, and I will make it full time. Army

Automaggin2

11-08-2003, 10:42 PM

That was insane. I cant believe that. If that ever happened to me the first thing i would say is lawyer now!

robertjuric

11-08-2003, 10:53 PM

I agree, completely overdone, our school just occasionally lets dogs go through and thats it.

Kids will do drugs, but eventually they should learn from their mistakes. I used to smoke weed, I quit after I realized how it was killing my motivation. I still do some stuff every now and then, but nothing to serious. Thats my decision, I know that, and I know that I have to live with what ever the consequences. Its called maturity, what most kids need these days.

billybob_81067

11-08-2003, 11:42 PM

When I have kids if they ever EVER do drugs I will pull them out of school to stay home with their Pa and help out on the farm... maybe have them cut their own switch. A few years at the end of a shovel should straighten their little punks out... ;)

Oh btw... I'm only 18, but was raised on a farm and I have never even thought of doing drugs, not even drinking and smoking cigarettes... It's all totally lame crap to me. I'd rather have the cool things I spend my money on like paintball guns and my pickup! ;)

p8ntball1016

11-08-2003, 11:48 PM

and the facist principal who authorized the raid said it was a 'valuable experience.' right. a pig with a pistol is just what them punk kids need. i hate cops enough already but this just makes it worse.

Lone Wolf2

11-08-2003, 11:49 PM

man,id be smackin someone,but at my skool friday there was a kid LOADED wit drugs but we didnt have any raid or any of that crap.

p8ntball1016

11-08-2003, 11:55 PM

my school has a major drug problem. half the people smoke or sell. i dont sell but im pretty involved in it.

robertjuric

11-09-2003, 12:04 AM

Want to keep kids off drugs?? Ill tell you the secret.

Let them do it. Let them f up once, and they'll see for themselves how stupid it is. If you dont let kids experience things they are just going to be curious.

We dont have a big problem with weed in the school, though out is a different thing. But we mainly have pills floatin around like crazy. Theyre so small and easy to hide, and extremely easy to get and sell.

Rob218

11-09-2003, 12:28 AM

Hey I attend that school. We are the Stratford Knights. Personally I don't think that they went overboard. I watched the whole thing. Only thing I disapprove of is the guns being drawn...

By the way the whole thing happened before school. They didn't simply say "ALRIGHT EVERYONE DOWN ON THE FLOOR!" They ran the dogs through and anyone picked out by the dog was taken to the main hall where they were told to lay down or they would make them lay down. The kids who you see crouching on the right side of the hallway were just there. The police told them to move but they didn't listen.

EDIT - Got any real questions that aren't, "Oh man I would be callin' my lawyer," then PM me. I'll do my best to answer them. Also the kids pressing charges against the school don't even know what the accuse them of. It's not the schools fault. There had been heightened drug activity and the administration wanted to stop it. The cops just wanted to add their own little twist to it.

robertjuric

11-09-2003, 12:32 AM

Thats just it:

guns being drawn = overboard

Im fine with the raid, just the guns and all was to much.

Rob218

11-09-2003, 12:35 AM

Yes the guns were too much. I'm waiting to see what our drug/gang activity is going to be like after this raid.

SuiciDal Sn Y p ER

11-09-2003, 01:29 AM

i agree with pyro. people are still going to do drugs. the only way to stop it is to not try it at all or death.

Southpaw

11-09-2003, 02:20 AM

Rob Did the early reports say they thought there also may be weapons? I thought that was the orginal statement was.

Mango

11-09-2003, 11:00 AM

Hey guess what...too bad! Scream for your lawyer, there is nothing you can sue for. The police are doing thier job. The report says they recently found a student with 300 pills on them. That is a VERY high amount, punishable in NJ by a $75,000 fine and a minimum of 10 years in jail. VERY heavy crime. Listen, High school kids or not, the police can draw thier guns in situations even like this if they suspect that students might be armed. What if they just ran in there screaming, would most people listen? No. But if they draw thier gun, that certainly gets your attention. It dosent mean they are going to shoot you. And do you know the whole story? NO. All of you are working off assumptions. None of us know the full story.

shartley

11-09-2003, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by SprayingMango
Hey guess what...too bad! Scream for your lawyer, there is nothing you can sue for. The police are doing thier job. The report says they recently found a student with 300 pills on them. That is a VERY high amount, punishable in NJ by a $75,000 fine and a minimum of 10 years in jail. VERY heavy crime. Listen, High school kids or not, the police can draw thier guns in situations even like this if they suspect that students might be armed. What if they just ran in there screaming, would most people listen? No. But if they draw thier gun, that certainly gets your attention. It dosent mean they are going to shoot you. And do you know the whole story? NO. All of you are working off assumptions. None of us know the full story.
I agree. And “show of force” is a very useful tool. It also involves racking of a shotgun many times…. That does not mean they are going to SHOOT someone. The sound is usually enough in most cases.

As for handcuffing students…. The Police have the right to handcuff anyone they choose to if it is for their safety or that of the person being cuffed.

” And do you know the whole story? NO. All of you are working off assumptions. None of us know the full story.”

And this is dead on. It is also the case for most things that pop up on the news and become “conversation material”. The Media may not out right lie, but they often hold back information, or don’t give an entirely accurate depiction of situations…. But that is what sells papers, retains listenership, and retains viewers.

They MAY have gone a bit far, but being that I don’t know all the facts, I am not willing to automatically think they DID because of a popular “dislike” for law enforcement or anything of/in authority. Being a former Cop, I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt, and know that MOST of the time, the general public does not know the entire story.

Rob218

11-09-2003, 01:25 PM

YES there were alleged reports of students having guns/knives that morning.

Will Wood

11-09-2003, 04:29 PM

You could call your lawyer, but it would be waste of time.

Worst Case Scenario for the Police Department: Fireing the police men. You coulnd't touch them for jack squat benefiting you unless you had a really good lawyer.

I think what the PD did is good.

InfinatyBPS

11-09-2003, 06:02 PM

I'm not sure how to comment on this because I am biased because I "use drugs". Actualy I just smoke weed, not nearly as much as I did last year(pretty much everyday), but I still do it occasionaly(once every other week or so).
I am against weed being illegal in the first place, because I know its nowhere near as bad as the government wants you to think it is. I always had weed at school, I only did it at school once and I will never do it again, paranoia is horrible at school, but it did make it easier to talk to the hot girl sitting next to me in math class:p But anyways, I live like 20 miles away from school, so the only way to have my little after school activitys with my friends was to carry my stuff on me. But I don't think some people having/selling a little weed is worth shoving guns to the heads of innocent students. If they had the people on camera getting together and doing their trade then bust them. All that wasn't nessasary.

shartley

11-09-2003, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by KornKamp02
Oh, yeah I'm sure you'd love to get scared all to hell by a squadron of cops in there with GUNS pointing them at your head while searching all the stuff that you have for things that most likely aren't there. This is just sick. The day that happens is the day I stand in front of my stuff and say "Shoot me then." which they won't do. Even though I don't do, deal, or hold drugs I would still have a HUGE problem with this.
That has to be the most troubling thing I have seen posted in a while.

I hope you will some day realize how foolish your statements are, and if you ever tried to DO what your internet bravado has caused you to post, that you could end up being seriously hurt…. and sorry, rightly so. Such a sad situation.

And as a parent, I can say I am not afraid of anything the police may do in a school, but I can not say the same about what other students ARE doing. I would also bet that their actions (the police) when taken in full consideration of all the FACTS would seem less “terrible” than some folks would LOVE them to appear.

shartley

11-09-2003, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by InfinatyBPS
I'm not sure how to comment on this because I am biased because I "use drugs". Actualy I just smoke weed, not nearly as much as I did last year(pretty much everyday), but I still do it occasionaly(once every other week or so).
I am against weed being illegal in the first place, because I know its nowhere near as bad as the government wants you to think it is. I always had weed at school, I only did it at school once and I will never do it again, paranoia is horrible at school, but it did make it easier to talk to the hot girl sitting next to me in math class:p But anyways, I live like 20 miles away from school, so the only way to have my little after school activitys with my friends was to carry my stuff on me. But I don't think some people having/selling a little weed is worth shoving guns to the heads of innocent students. If they had the people on camera getting together and doing their trade then bust them. All that wasn't nessasary.
And you have already shown that if you don’t agree with a law, screw it, you will do as you darn well please. So of course you would think police being involved in ANY capacity would be wrong.

Drugs are not the only problem that tends to accompany them. You are also openly admitting to, and telling HOW you commit crimes. This is a huge problem, and I think AO has tried to stop this type of posting before. This just makes me sit back and shake my head, because I like you as an individual, but am torn by your posts on this matter. It is very sad… and a waste.

-Jôker-

11-09-2003, 06:14 PM

Originally posted by kenndogg
if this is what it takes to keeps drugs and gang banger wannabs in check then I'm all for it. Face it rent-a-cops just ain't gonna do it. You need real cops shoving .45s down the throats of pushers and gang bangers to show that schools can be a safe place to be.

dude that search was demoralizing,degrading and just plain wrong! i agree that the school has every right to search you while your on campus but not like this it DOES NOT take a drawn loaded weapon to do a freakin drug search. a dog i can see the whole precinct out in full riot gear NO. i hope somthing is done to that police dept. and that these type of searches DO NOT keep happining.

InfinatyBPS

11-09-2003, 06:24 PM

Originally posted by shartley

And you have already shown that if you don’t agree with a law, screw it, you will do as you darn well please. So of course you would think police being involved in ANY capacity would be wrong.

Drugs are not the only problem that tends to accompany them. You are also openly admitting to, and telling HOW you commit crimes. This is a huge problem, and I think AO has tried to stop this type of posting before. This just makes me sit back and shake my head, because I like you as an individual, but am torn by your posts on this matter. It is very sad… and a waste.

Do you think the DEA is gonna track me down and search me beacuse I SAID that I OCCASIONALY smoke weed? Hell most of the musicians out there write songs about they're weed smoking. And anyways, I could say I'm a 35 year old black woman, that dosen't mean its true. Plus they can search all they want, I don't have any paraphanalia, smoking devices, or any weed at all. I highly doubt that someone is going to track me down for saying something online.

And I just got a surge of paranoia go through me, that last sentence of your post makes me think that you reported me or something... So can you please explain what you meant by all that what a waste and your torn and such?

shartley

11-09-2003, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by InfinatyBPS
Do you think the DEA is gonna track me down and search me beacuse I SAID that I OCCASIONALY smoke weed? Hell most of the musicians out there write songs about they're weed smoking. And anyways, I could say I'm a 35 year old black woman, that dosen't mean its true. Plus they can search all they want, I don't have any paraphanalia, smoking devices, or any weed at all. I highly doubt that someone is going to track me down for saying something online.

And I just got a surge of paranoia go through me, that last sentence of your post makes me think that you reported me or something... So can you please explain what you meant by all that what a waste and your torn and such?
You are correct, chances are that no one will track you down for something you said (of this nature) online. But that does not make it appropriate to post…. Does it?

And if you have a surge of paranoia that may be telling you something. No I did not “report you”. I did send the moderators a heads up about this thread though since it is treading on grounds they have made clear were not to be walked upon here on AO. And those grounds involved the open discussion of admission of breaking drug laws and explaining how, where, and with what.

As for me being torn, that is simple. I have kids your age and would hate for them to engage in the activities that you so openly profess to. I know how much of a waste these activities are. I know your opinions on the matter, as it has been posted by you many times, so I will not discuss it with you, or debate it with you or anyone. The fact that I like you, and you post things that bother me greatly (for many reasons) is the reason I am torn. Again.. pretty simple.

InfinatyBPS

11-09-2003, 06:49 PM

Well, appropriate to who? I didn't say how I did it. I just mentioned that I have and still occasionaly do it. I didn't say how I do it, where or with what... I'm a bit confused as to what your talking about when you say that. I just say that I had no choice but to carry it to school. I didn't realize that it was against the rules to post what I did, if it is then I welcome the mods to delete or edit my post. I don't feel I do anything moraly wrong when I do what I mentioned doing. I feel that god has given us this plant to use and consume like he has with the rest of the plants in the world. So I admit to doing it. I am sure you don't want your kids doing the "activities" I do, although I'm not sure why, perhaps the illegality, or mabe the slight health risks. The way I have seen it, nothing but good has come from my substance use. I have only good memories of things that have happened with friends, and on days where I felt I had no hope to feel at least decent that day, went after school with a friend or 2 and I had fun and felt good for the rest of the day(or at least my mind was at ease and I didn't care what people said about me, or thought about me, or any of the problems that I couldn't fix). And I am interested in hearing why my posts on this subject bother you, so if you don't want to post them here, I wouldn't mind a PM.

shartley

11-09-2003, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by InfinatyBPS
Well, appropriate to who? I didn't say how I did it. I just mentioned that I have and still occasionaly do it. I didn't say how I do it, where or with what... I'm a bit confused as to what your talking about when you say that. I just say that I had no choice but to carry it to school. I didn't realize that it was against the rules to post what I did, if it is then I welcome the mods to delete or edit my post. I don't feel I do anything moraly wrong when I do what I mentioned doing. I feel that god has given us this plant to use and consume like he has with the rest of the plants in the world. So I admit to doing it. I am sure you don't want your kids doing the "activities" I do, although I'm not sure why, perhaps the illegality, or mabe the slight health risks. The way I have seen it, nothing but good has come from my substance use. I have only good memories of things that have happened with friends, and on days where I felt I had no hope to feel at least decent that day, went after school with a friend or 2 and I had fun and felt good for the rest of the day(or at least my mind was at ease and I didn't care what people said about me, or thought about me, or any of the problems that I couldn't fix). And I am interested in hearing why my posts on this subject bother you, so if you don't want to post them here, I wouldn't mind a PM.
You DID have a choice.. to follow the law. Appropriate to who? The image AO is attempting to foster.. but I may be wrong about that. I do know however that in the past whenever folks started admitting to crimes, promoting/advocating crimes, etc. the staff have not allowed it… specifically when it came to drugs.

If you don’t know by now why your posts would bother me, with the amount of post I have made on the matter (and they were quite long and in-depth) then nothing I can say now or in a PM will help. I find that ironic in itself.

No, best let sleeping dogs lie. This is also part of my being “torn”.

InfinatyBPS

11-09-2003, 07:06 PM

Sorry, but I refuse to not do something I enjoy just because there is a law that shouldn't have been made in the first place. If you know my views on this matter then you should know that the whole reason why MJ was made illegal was a bunch of racist BS and lies, and anyone that enforces this law is either an ignorant fool or a racist pig. I'm not trying to start an argument, I'm just saying how I feel on the subject. And for some reason I can't recall any posts by you on this subject. I'm sure that you posted in my threads that I've made in the past, but most of them were 3-10 pages long, so I'm sure I must have missed your post. I'll try to search for your post, because I truly want to know your views on this topic.

Rob218

11-09-2003, 07:43 PM

Did you even read my posts? I go to the friggin school.

platinumjason

11-09-2003, 07:49 PM

Very interesting, anyway I dont see what was all that bad about this thing, personally I see overboard as being shots being fired. If you have a loaded gun pointed at you for possibly having drugs, would you bring more again if you did happen to get away with it? This is the kind of things kids need to teach them a lesson. If something terrifies them, maybe they wont do it again.

KornKamp02

11-09-2003, 08:00 PM

Originally posted by Rob218
Did you even read my posts? I go to the friggin school. We're happy for you... really. :p

BobTheCow

11-09-2003, 08:06 PM

Not to degrade on the seriousness of this whole issue or anything, but...
Does anybody else find it hilarious that the head cop's name was "McCrackin"?? :p

Rob218

11-09-2003, 08:06 PM

No it's just stupid to see you going back and forth about something that isn't fully true.

By the way that's not the head cop's name its the Principal's. His name is George McCrackin..We call him Phil...

davidb

11-09-2003, 08:33 PM

Originally posted by InfinatyBPS

...anyone that enforces this law is either an ignorant fool or a racist pig.

Woah there.. Now I know you weren't trying to start an argument, but those are some pretty harsh words, don't you think? Those who enforce the law are (mainly) honorable men who are doing their duty. If you have concerns, take them up with the men who make law.

InfinatyBPS

11-09-2003, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by davidb

Woah there.. Now I know you weren't trying to start an argument, but those are some pretty harsh words, don't you think? Those who enforce the law are (mainly) honorable men who are doing their duty. If you have concerns, take them up with the men who make law.

Its hard to respect someone who inforces laws blindly... But if I offended anyone, I'm sorry, thats just how I feel.

cphilip

11-09-2003, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by Rob218
Hey I attend that school. We are the Stratford Knights. Personally I don't think that they went overboard. I watched the whole thing. Only thing I disapprove of is the guns being drawn...

By the way the whole thing happened before school. They didn't simply say "ALRIGHT EVERYONE DOWN ON THE FLOOR!" They ran the dogs through and anyone picked out by the dog was taken to the main hall where they were told to lay down or they would make them lay down. The kids who you see crouching on the right side of the hallway were just there. The police told them to move but they didn't listen.

EDIT - Got any real questions that aren't, "Oh man I would be callin' my lawyer," then PM me. I'll do my best to answer them. Also the kids pressing charges against the school don't even know what the accuse them of. It's not the schools fault. There had been heightened drug activity and the administration wanted to stop it. The cops just wanted to add their own little twist to it.

Everyone needs to cool down about "their" experiences and all and listen to this guys perpective. He goes there. And he feels the thing was warranted and has no problem with the intervention of the Police outside of a couple activities. He goes there! He knows they came for a good reason and he just wants a safe place to go to school. And deserves to have that.

KornKamp02

11-09-2003, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by cphilip

Everyone needs to cool down about "their" experiences and all and listen to this guys perpective. He goes there. And he feels the thing was warranted and has no problem with the intervention of the Police outside of a couple activities. He goes there! He knows they came for a good reason and he just wants a safe place to go to school. And deserves to have that. HERE HERE! I'm just as guilty as everyone else by the way ;)

bluemidget123

11-10-2003, 08:19 AM

I'm down here in SC and Stratford isn't that far away from me. I am fully behind what the police did. they did a RAID on the school. how did they know that the students didn't have guns and would shoot them if they rushed in shouting at everyone. they would have had a clear shot at tany of them. they did not point their guns at the kids. they had them on the down ready position and weren't putting the kids in any extreme danger. remember the police are trained for many years on how to use their guns safely. THEY KNOW HOW TO NOT SHOOOT PEOPLE. sure they could have just used lots of dogs instead of guns but there would have been more of a chance a dog would have mauled someone for making suddens moves than a cop shooting them. They were just keeping themselves safe. i've heard from friends at stratford that word was going around school that there was going to be gang wars goin on soon with guns. meaning the members would have guns in school and chances are that they don't get along with the police very well and would have no quams with dropping one or two. they did in fact find drug residue on 12 bookbags. it turns out that the people with the major amounts of drugs had gotten tipped off earlier in the day and got away from the school earlier that day. Now people are trying to get rich off the police's actions. students and their idiot parents are filing complints and suing the school and police because "their children were traumatized". these kids are not "traumatized" they are just too damn sensitive. they were not put in harms way. they were actually safer probably than the cops not being there. on the local news there is a kid who came on and his family is putting him through therapy and counseling now. they are wasting their money. this kid is fine he just wanted to get on TV and bad mouth the cops. Even the TV stations are against the police. on the same news show they interviewed people and 9 out of 10 said the cops were wrong in this case only like 1 or 2 people had the guts to say they supported the cops. today's generation is too damn sensitive and thinks they are entitled to everything. if you have any comments pm me or email me bluemidget123@yahoo.com

Southpaw

11-10-2003, 02:33 PM

Bluemidget I think this about says it all!!

"their children were traumatized". these kids are not "traumatized" they are just too damn sensitive

Rob218

11-10-2003, 03:23 PM

In the videos that some jack*** released to the press, it show's the officers pointing guns at the students right? Wrong. From that camera's angle it looks as if the officer has the gun in the kid's face when in all actuallity he is pointing it at the ground. Yes there was alot of residue on those 12 bookbags...Hence the dogs pointing it out. The media has shown everything that could look bad against the police when really all they did was pick out the segment of the security tape that they wanted and BAM! they have a headline story. Thanks for the support CPhillip and Chris...

EDIT - Ahh yes.."These children are traumatized" is not true at all. These are the same kids you see lying to their teachers and cheating on everything they can. They know how to put false information out there and sad thing is their parents believe it. One girl accused the GCPD of throwing her into the trophy case (Left side of the hallway) when really she wasn't even close to the whole event. She agreed to drop her charges once she was pressed with information proving she filed false claims.

Timmee

11-10-2003, 04:23 PM

I agree with the way the police handled the situation. They can't make judegements whether someone is armed based on age. I'd rather read that someone was shaken up over the situation, than read that someone was shot because the police assumed that the kids weren't armed.

Webmaster

11-10-2003, 04:35 PM

I dont think there is any reason for a cop to have a drawn gun during this raid. At least not with the evidence presented. Did they arrest anyone? Was another weapons shown? Neither of those thing happened (as per the information I have now).

I dont have a problem with the search itself (with proper warrents or legal what-not).

But having a drawn weapon isnt called for. Even with the ultra-safe semi-autos we have now, there was no reason. A cop doesnt draw his gun while coming up to give me a speeding ticket - but the threat is there at the same time. Unless someone felt in danger, guns should have remained holstered.

As for the parents sueing for trauma... get over it. Yeesh. If thats the worst thing that happens in thier lives they will be lucky.

Rob218

11-10-2003, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by Webmaster
Unless someone felt in danger, guns should have remained holstered.

See..There is ALWAYS I mean ALWAYS an element of danger when dealing with drugs. Just think if they're risking their lives to screw around with the dealers and trafficers...What have they got to lose?

MantisMag

11-10-2003, 08:51 PM

hey rob. we were talking about this in sociology today and my professor was wondering: is your school predominantly black? i don't know what that has to do with anything except for the fact that he's black and old enough to have heard martin luther king and malcolm x speak.

cphilip

11-10-2003, 09:00 PM

Its my understanding that a weapons threat was given in the tip. They were expecting a gang war of sorts that day. They expected weapons. So their protocol was to be ready for hostile fire. And so that would involve some officers "at the ready". But in fact there was a tip off and the threat never materialized. But the Police did not know that they had been tipped off and acted with the knowledge they previously had.

cphilip

11-10-2003, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by MantisMag
hey rob. we were talking about this in sociology today and my professor was wondering: is your school predominantly black? i don't know what that has to do with anything except for the fact that he's black and old enough to have heard martin luther king and malcolm x speak.

Lets not even go there. Tell your sociology teacher to take the steriotyping of Southerners and Police elsewhere. It matters not realy if they are or not.

taylor492

11-10-2003, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by Surreal
that's not unnecessary. they are doing their job. stop being pansys. maybe all these little gang banging retarded kids in high school will finally learn their lesson with a .45 right in their grill.

couldnt have said it better myself. these cops dont know if these kids are all cracked out carrying weapons. people have gotten too lax these days about drugs.

bluemidget123

11-11-2003, 08:53 PM

people were arrested. if i am corret they were doing a RAID. and usually in RAIDS they enter with their guns drawn. its not a question of them harassing the kids its a question of were the guns going over board and i think not.

bluemidget123

11-22-2003, 08:43 PM

lets up this i wanna hear more peoples opinions

Torbo

11-22-2003, 11:54 PM

idk about anyone else's schools......but at my hs, yea drug use is pretty big.....but no violence arises from it, and there are no gangs. All it is is weed, and sometimes some X. so, illegal or not, it really doesnt interfere with anything. The kids who dont do it arnt exposed to it.

Kitheril

11-23-2003, 02:00 AM

There seems to be a divison between the two sides. From a knowledgable view, I would have to agree with Rob. As a civilian who has had worked with authorities on growing drug spreads throughout school, there is often an "element of danger". Many of you fail to recognize that with drugs, there is often weapons. Drugs are high profit items, from weed to X. Many pushers are not willing to simply hand over hundreds, perhaps thousands in merchandise. Authorities or not, some members of drug circles are willing to kill for what they push.
In acknowledging that, how can any of you say that the police were not justified in drawing arms? It was not you with your life on the line, so to speak. And please don't say they weren't in danger, any time you deal with drugs in a raid sense, there is always danger. I have done some work/research with Vancouver schools, and drugs/weapons are highly correlated together, due to many drug pushers being linked to certain groups (for those that live in the area, you will know which groups I refer to).
Anyways, in short, the police were justified due to possible weapon threats. You mistaken the sensitivity of children presently, this would hardly faze most children in a city setting. Thank you.

Sir_Brass

11-23-2003, 03:22 AM

Originally posted by robertjuric
Want to keep kids off drugs?? Ill tell you the secret.

Let them do it. Let them f up once, and they'll see for themselves how stupid it is. If you dont let kids experience things they are just going to be curious.

WRONG! That's the best way to totally screw up your life so bad that there's no going back. I personally saw this happen recently.

A few weeks back, the cops were called to the campus by campus safety b/c of a suspected drug trafficing across state lines, and the suspects were students here. Police raided the dorm rooms and came up with about $8000 worth of weed and shrooms. Now, I'm on the Student Judicial Board, and naturally, the 3 students appealed the sanctions leveled against them by the school. I saw 3 kids, freshman, who were regular drug users, get caught and face not ONLY Class II and Class III felony drug charges (class II is what Manslaughter is classified as, btw), and now whenever they get out of prison (one will for certain, as he was the dealer, and the DA is going after him hard. the other two were just users, mainly) they now will have expulsion from this school on their transcripts as well. That kills their chances of getting into a good college again, let alone get the careers they had originally dreamed of.

No, letting them get caught is a BAD idea. Prevent them from becoming users in the first place!

Parents: keep your kids out of contact with others you consider to be bad influences. The kid won't even start if he's deprived of contact information b/c he's not allowed to associate with the wrong crowd. Also, keep track of what your kids are doing. Strong parental support and discipline where needed will keep them off of drugs in most cases. Don't be afraid to give out some tough love. Remember, you're not supposed to be your kid's best friend, but rather his/her PARENT. Do your job to the best of your ability. Don't wait around till they get into a situation like the 3 kids here at ERAU got into and now have their lives potentially ruined forever at such a young age b/c they did something so amazingly stupid.

Rob218

11-23-2003, 07:33 PM

That's a perfect example of what happens. In a sense you can take the cigarette industries motto, "Get 'em while their young" approach on this. If you catch and stop them from doing this crap when they are young, the chances of them doing it are much lower than if you hadn't done anything in the first place.

Sir_Brass

11-24-2003, 12:17 AM

they WERE young! Don't let 'em make the mistake in the first place! It's NOT worth the consequences. ONe of the guys will be doing some SERIOUS prison time for what he did. This, at such a young age, it's tragic. Don't let them mess up in the first place. Don't let them fall afoul of the law in the first place! It's not worth the crap they'll be going through. And for some, if not all 3 of those kids, they're lives will forever be ruined b.c they did such a stupid thing.

The consequences they'll face from felony drug convictionsis TOO HIGH to be an object lesson.

They were caught when they were young. Now look at them: their lives are ruined.

lopxtc

01-06-2004, 11:02 AM

Hey all ... sorry to dig up an older post, but here is another chapter in this story;

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/01/05/school.drug.raid.ap/index.html

Aaron

shartley

01-06-2004, 11:09 AM

That is very unfortunate… the PC crowd wins again.

And THIS just upsets me to no end…

The raid led to allegations of excessive force and racism, because many of the students were black.

Many? Not ALL? So they did a blanket search, FOUND residue on items (indicating that the OWNER of these items did indeed have in their possession the drugs at one time), and a portion of these students were black… so it was a racial issue? What, did they toss in some “token” whites just for the heck of it?

I am sick and tired of reverse racism or unjust claims of racism. It makes me sick.

1stdeadeye

01-06-2004, 12:45 PM

I did not know that High School Principal's set police tactics and policies.:rolleyes:

He requested the sweep. He didn't tell them to come in guns out!

I agree with you Sam. This is pure BS!!!

Rob218

01-06-2004, 12:55 PM

Yea, me being a student will be very disappointed to have Mr. McCrackin gone. He was at school before everyone else and left after everyone else. It's a great loss to our school. He'd been there for 20 YEARS. How many of your principals have been at your school for 20 years? He devoted his life to Stratford and now he was pretty much forced to resign. Such a bad end to such a pitty happening.

magsRus

01-06-2004, 02:49 PM

America land of the free, free to the power of people in uniform

-Kottonmouth Kings

chunk_daddy

01-06-2004, 03:04 PM

we have dogs come through our school, no lock down nothing......just while we r in class, when i get older and have kids im not going to try and stop them.....if i catch them doing it.....ill sit down with them talk to them and tell them that its not right and that im not going to ground them or reck their lives, but tell them that they should not be doing it and that it just gets worse

Sir_Brass

01-06-2004, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by chunk_daddy
we have dogs come through our school, no lock down nothing......just while we r in class, when i get older and have kids im not going to try and stop them.....if i catch them doing it.....ill sit down with them talk to them and tell them that its not right and that im not going to ground them or reck their lives, but tell them that they should not be doing it and that it just gets worse

Then they'll simply act like they take you seriously, but still blow off what you told them and continue to do it.

When the time comes for me to get married and have children, if I EVER catch them associating with known drug users and sellers, I'll sit down and have a talk with them and then forbid them to have an extended contact with such people. If I catch them afterwards hanging out with them for more than a minute or two, I'll ground them, or something. If I ever catch them with drugs, whether they're holding it for someone or it's theirs, then they are GROUNDED among other things. I'll make their personal lives miserable, but most certainly NOT unlivable (still give them plenty of shelter, love, food, etc. just not some of the luxuries they've grown used to).

Just sitting down and having a talk with them will do jack squat. Reinforcement through discipline is what works. It's been proven throughout the ages, yet modern day folks seem to think that what has worked for thousands of years is suddenly oh so very inhumane and cruel and that their newage method of simply "talking" is what will work. . . . BULL CRAP!! Have they never heard of the phrase, "Spare the rod and spoil the child"? Well, take it from one who has been that child and turned out better b/c the rod wasn't spared when I was young. I'm actually grateful to my parents for loving me enough to discipline me when I needed it, even though being disciplined was NOT enjoyable, and it hurt them to see me unhappy, but they still disciplined me when necessary b/c it was for the better. When parents say "This will hurt me more than it hurts you." they mean it, yet that they still do it is a testament to a parent's love.

Rob218

02-14-2004, 10:17 PM

UPDATE - Sad end to the story. Our beloved principal George McCrackin was quote "released" from all duties pertaining(sp) to the school. Basically they fired him. He isn't coming back and it's very very sad to have him gone. The EXACT opposite of what Mr. McCrackin was, is now the "interim" principal. Hell, she has outside ties to 1/8 of the school's population. During the introduction ceremony held the first week after school started everyone "booed" her off the stage. We were detained for doing that and were told that, "The administration is very disappointed in you. She is the best of the best during these trying circumstances and you shunned her." Do we care? No. She keeps saying, "Let's make Stratford the glorious school it was keep it clean." First off, Stratford was, is and always will be glorious. Most of us love that school and wouldn't go anywhere else. Second, it's "cleaner" than most public school in the U.S.

On a side note the Senior class has made a petition to get Mr. McCrackin to hand them their diplomas. They expect it to get thrown out by the principal. It was worth a try. Even though she(I don't even think I know her name), is here the staff have still kept Mr. McCrackin alive. In every single newletter/handout given the school seal with the Principal's name is still George McCrackin. I know some of the staff at the school and trust me, they are as enraged about the change as we are.

AssassN

02-14-2004, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by Sir_Brass
If I catch them afterwards hanging out with them for more than a minute or two, I'll ground them, or something. If I ever catch them with drugs, whether they're holding it for someone or it's theirs, then they are GROUNDED among other things.

Umm, you'll ground them?

When my mom or dad grounds me all it does is make me mad at them. I'll ussually continue to do what I was doing. It's never been drugs but still, it doens't stop kids to jsut be grounded.

JimmyDean

02-14-2004, 11:30 PM

Now i didnt read every post so this may have been pointed out, but i find it irionic that there is sooooo many drugs and things beign passed, sold, and bought, yet the cops didnt find anyone with any. now is it just me or does that not make sense?:confused:

And also when is said "ordered all students to lie on the floor and then handcuffed anyone who apparently didn't comply quickly enough."
i know i woulda been cuffed, cuz when some one rushes into the school with a gun out, im gonna run like crazy cuz it will probly happen to fast to be able to make sure its the cops, and i wouldent wanna stick around and find out its not the cops if u get my drift. just my 2 cents.

Garrum

02-15-2004, 01:37 AM

We do not allow cursing or flamming here. You are now warned. Do it again and you will get a three day ban. Calm it down - cphilip

845

02-15-2004, 09:50 AM

IMO they should have come in with the M4s,Remingtons, and MP5s. We need this at our school to teach the loser kids who think they are tough because they sell weed and beat up on kids half their size with 6 of their friends a lesson. Maybe some dogs and helicopters too.

Quickling

02-15-2004, 10:09 AM

wow that raid was WICKED successfull! they found a dozen backpacks with drugs! Of all 2760 students.

Wow that successfull raid scared the kids to find that .4% of them had drugs, and none had weapons in their lockers. Wow ...great thinking morons. Police and school officals are so dumb. That percentage is not even statistically significant. Buttholes.

Sir_Brass

02-15-2004, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by AssassN

Umm, you'll ground them?

When my mom or dad grounds me all it does is make me mad at them. I'll ussually continue to do what I was doing. It's never been drugs but still, it doens't stop kids to jsut be grounded.

well, unlike some parents, I'll be teaching my kids that my word is LAW, and that they will RESPECT my word.

And, SHAME ON YOU! Have you no respect for your parents? You should feel shamed that you willfully disobey your parents like that!

And as a parent, my job isn't to make my kids like me. It'll be to raise them properly with love. And that does NOT mean that they have to like me. A parent often has to do that which makes them unpopular in the short run but in the end, the child THANKS the parent years later for what they did.

845

02-15-2004, 10:49 AM

My dad never punished me in my life and I have no problem obeying his rules. My mom on the otherhand that is a totally different story.

Sir_Brass

02-15-2004, 05:18 PM

A parent should be strict, but also fair. If you're a fair parent, the kid ought to respect you. That way, you show them you're pleased with them when they do well and are mad at them when they misbehave and disobey, but AT ALL TIMES love them.

That's the example that was set for me by my parents, and I fully intend on doing the same with my kids. I'm sure some actual parents here will agree with me here (shartely, deadeye, etc. ?).

nastymag

02-15-2004, 05:39 PM

i dont know if its due to my heritage ... but in our family you do not talk back to your parents, you dont disobey them and you respect them. and strangly enough all of my cousins love their parents. i love mine also. i have never been beaten by my parents ( though i have been slapped god knows how many times).

another thing is that my parents have always been open about the effects of drugs, they never sheltered me from the world. the tought me what was bad.

and because i respect what my family does for me, and myself i do not do any drugs ( well i drink and parties and such).

my family set rules...

- keep your grades up

- respect us

- get a job

and if i was doing all three of those , i could go to parties whenever, go out with friends. when everi screwed up i knew it was my fault i never resented my parents.
... because i know if i ever screw up it will be my fault and they said while i am under their roof i will obey the rules they set down.i have never felt like they wherent letting my have fun. and you know what, i have never had my grades drop below a 3.5 gpa. the few times i have talked back to them i have payed with a swollen cheek and privilages taken away , the would tkae the computer away, no new cloths, no money .... make me work with my dad.
and i have always had a job since i was 13.

this has lead me to believe that parents dont have to watch over their kids every move. thye have to set the rules early, and always enforce them, but at the same time give their kids leway when they are doing everything right, so that the kids dont resent them.

i have smoked weed 2 twice... i am now in college, and i dont think i will do it again. i respect myself, and i know doing it will only affect me in bad ways ( it may be fun for a night... but then try to do school the next day ... or play soccer with your team) its not worth it. and i am glad my parents where always open about its affect.

after saying that, i dont think those cops stopped anyone from doing anything, maybe that day .... but thats it.
after someone starts doing it, they cant stop him like that.