ULE-Sydarm?!??

[ShaftyMcGee]

Just a little idea i thought would kick some major tail.
heres a crappy photoshop hack job i did.
<img SRC=http://server4.uploadit.org/files2/061203-ule-sydarm.jpg alt=sydarm>

this is just a quick mock up, i was thinking someone could mill a clip attachment that screws into the Angel threads of a ULE body and then some sort of 12-gram changer that sits on the side of the body or on top like the the regular Sydarm. seems like it would be pretty easy to me, only thing im not sure on is how to connect the 12gram changer to the valve so it airs up but doesn't have ugly air lines. oh and of course the rail would be milled out too
comments?
ideas?
id love it if AGD or even some dealer made these! or even just a kit so you can turn your set up into one!

[Sir_Brass]

You'd have to have a specially made ULE with a built-in barrel and such. that way you wouldn't have to have a magazine adapter, it'd just be part of the body itself. Just use ULE technology to create a new sydarm, simple as that. And of course you wouldn't use the RT valves, you'd use a classid valve with L10, so that you wouldn't have to worry about CO2 as much. Just make part of the quick changer an x-chamber so that the CO2 has room to expand. The quick changer would be welded to the side of the body, and would be twice as long as a normal quick changer.

Now, if you want to screw the 12 gram in at the rear, then hardline the quickchanger output to the valve and simply have a QD on either end of the hardline for easy removal.

[ShaftyMcGee]

why would you need the body and barrel to be one piece? doesn't make sense to me

[GT]

seems easy to me that someone could make a spring loaded feedtube that would only attach with angel threads.

[ShaftyMcGee]

well classicmagger contacted me on aim and tipped me off on this
<img src=http://store6.yimg.com/I/actionvillage_1770_106990334 alt=feed>
its not spring feed but it would get the job done

link (http://store.yahoo.com/actionvillage/010-6050.html)

[cphilip]

As already aluded too the issue is the charge chamber. On a Sydarm its the back part of the spring loaded ball chamber that the 12 gram goes into. Its a sealed passage down the the sydarm valve. Its not just a place for the balls. Its the air charge chamber too. And then that is a special valve too. The only other valves out there do feed in from the side. Nothing out there for feeding the normal valves but some kind of line to them. But as with anything... anything can be acomplished in some fashion. Might not be exactly a Sydarm done in Aluminum but still. A pistol none the less.

[Meph]

We've already been talking about this for a while in the Scenario forum.

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=112837

[ShaftyMcGee]

look like that thread is about where we are, thinking on how to do the 12gram adapter, personally i think the coolest idea would be to some how put it in the grip frame. ClassicMagger suggested doc's reverse 15 degree asa which we could then put a quick changer on

[Sir_Brass]

If you widened out part of the 45 frame where NOTHING goes one, and put a QC chamber with piercing screw, and hardline up and out the back of the grip (thus avoiding all the mechanical workings) and up to the AIR valve, then you'd have your grip-mounted 12gram chamber.

[Meph]

Oh it's quite possible to have it mounted in the grip frame, not that hard to design either.

Only with that I'm sure it'd cost more to make a whole new grip frame than just a horizontal ASA adapter.

But hey it's always open for comment. But rather than mounting the hardline around the back then 90* angle back around again. Just have it come out thru the right top side of the grip frame and straight up to the valve 1/8" port.

[Sir_Brass]

yeah, that's a good idea. Also, a spring loaded feed tube is best, so if we can take that stock class tube design and make it spring loaded, then we'd be set. Thing is, for a good pistol, you'd need a more compact body, short and shrouded, barrel, etc. maybe if it was based on the minimag frame . . .

[ShaftyMcGee]

a 12 gram in the frame is #1 on the possible 12 gram postions to keep it pistol like in my opinion.
heres a quick drawing in paint of ClassicMaggers Idea

<img src=http://server4.uploadit.org/files2/061203-ule-sydarm2.jpg alt=pic>

the short body i understand to make the marker compact, but why would you need a shrouded barrel? and a minimag body would put us back at square one, its stainless steel and doesn't have angel threads.

[Sir_Brass]

base it off of the minimag body, that's what I mean. make it ule, but minimag-based, but with cocker threading and instead of just having angel feed tube threads, go on and have the spring-loaded magazine adapter milled into the body.

[Meph]

You can have it pistol-like while not having it in grip frame.

Quick example
http://www.paintballnationmagazine.com/data/361/1070754116adapter1.jpg

Look at the Zeus, PT-Extreme, PGP, what have you. Those are all 3 tubes. One on top of another.

[Sir_Brass]

that looks excellent, except that that quick changer HAS to go elsewhere. It would look and probably have a MUCH better feel if it was in the gripframe.

[ShaftyMcGee]

sir_brass- only problem i see with the minimag body design is that you'd have to make an entirely new body which means the cost will go up.

Meph- true it is pistol like still it just isn't very eye pleasing to have another tube hanging from the from line that. thats my opinion though. i think one on the side, top, or in the grip would be best

[Sir_Brass]

yeah, it would cost more money. I see your point. Stick that QC in the grip frame. It'd look awkard on top and would require a body redesign. A gripframe redesign wouldn't be half as expensive as designing a new gripframe to handle a 12g QC.

[Jack & Coke]

Hope this helps you with ideas... :)

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=103967

http://www.automags.org/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=1041105

[ShaftyMcGee]

J&C thats almost EXACTLY what im aiming for, cept 12 gram changer in the grip and a freak with one of doc's flashpoints

[Sir_Brass]

one question, how do we prevent liquid Co2 from getting into the valve? this is a pistol, remember, and it will most likely be holstered when not in use, thus allowing liquid past the pin valve. can we include an x-chamber in there anywhere or a sideline stab or something to reduce the amount of liquid CO2 from going into the AIR valve?

[Meph]

Sir Brass that's exactly why I thought of the idea with the 12-gram going horizontal with the body. When shooting, it's all parallel. When holstered no liquid would flow in.

Not only that, but the overall cost for an entire kit with just a new ASA adapter bolted onto the rail would be dramatically less than the cost of a whole new grip frame design. Probably at least $100 less.

[than205]

My thought was an AGD back bottle adapter holding a quick change. And that feeding out to a Palmer Side-line.

I talked to a couple of fellow tinkerers at Shatnerball this year. One guy mentioned that half (if not all) a 12 gram would be used up fillng the system. So, my question is does anyone make a quick changer that would keep the system charged after a change out?

[sneakyhacker420]

no... and 12g's on a mag would be useless, would stop cycling pretty fast becuase of the rapid drop in pressure as the 12g is emptied

just get a 3.5oz BE co2 tank and run a bottomline




J&C, does the action markers feed neck come angel threaded?



and a palmers sideline with a 12g is completely useless


im tired and don't feel like arguing with people with some pretty useless ideas right now... but oh well


just my .02 for now

[Timmee]

Why not start with a slug, and mill the feed to accept the PT clips directly? As far as the power source goes, there's a new type of disposable cartridge out, that hold (IIRC) about 3 oz. of CO2. It's smaller than a refillable tank, and is shaped similar to a 12g cartridge. I know Wal-Mart sells them, but I'm not sure if anyone else does.

[than205]

It's hard to holster if it were on a front ASA. (even a 3.5 oz) This is the only reason I consider a 12 gram an option. Of course C/A would be the preference, but we are considering a Sydarm replacement. I like the idea of the sideline for efficienies sake, but I agree that it would take the entire 12 gram to charge the system. A 3.5 seems kinda bulky for a Sidearm. (maybe not)

Timmee,
That's a thought. It'd be kinda funky looking.

[Miscue]

Originally posted by Jack &amp; Coke
Hope this helps you with ideas... :)

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=103967

http://www.automags.org/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=1041105

/me wonders how hard it would be to convert that to a warp adaptor...

[Jack & Coke]

Originally posted by sneakyhacker420


J&C, does the action markers feed neck come angel threaded?



yes :)

[tony3]

Originally posted by Miscue


/me wonders how hard it would be to convert that to a warp adaptor...

I think you are on to something.....

[ShaftyMcGee]

i understand all the issues with the 12-gram but they managed to do it with a sydarm so i dont see why you cant do it with this, unless the valve was totally redesigned for sydarms. any one have a cross section of a sydarm valve?

Tuna- that would probably be the most practical idea, but the ULE has the advatages of all ready being milled and annodized, trying to keep this low cost.