View Full Version : Why won't AGD make an Electric Frame
blakdragon21
12-12-2003, 01:11 AM
Why doesn't Tom and his brain-childs come up with an electric frame like the e-blade on the cockers? I as well as 1000's of other faithful AO's would love to have that for their mags. Cause I like the way my mag looks and feels compared to an emag. I would totally keep my mag forever for this. What are you guys at AGD not smart enough to make one or something??? Come on I dare you to try and make something for us, I bet that you can't. :D.
sps16
12-12-2003, 01:20 AM
Theres no need to reinvent the wheel, the centerflag hyperframe works good
TheBigRaguPB4L
12-12-2003, 02:11 AM
They did, it's called the E-mag.
MantisMag
12-12-2003, 02:56 AM
they thought about it. there was a poll from tom a while back. he wanted to know if we wanted him to focus his research on making a high quality electro frame or make the trigger lighter to the point where it was almost as light as an electro. that's how we got the ult. everybody voted for a super light mechanical. tom was initially disappointed with the end result because he thought he could get it even lighter. still it's a lot lighter than the original setup so people are happy.
blakdragon21
12-12-2003, 03:01 AM
Yeah I know there is the hyperframe but one it looks ugly and I am sure it is not AGD quality. Also I am talking about an electric frame for the mag, i am pretty sure I have heard of the emag and know what it is :rolleyes:. And maybe Tom should take another poll and make an electric frame for the mag cause yes the ULT is a dissapointment to many.
The ULT makes the small E-frame much more doable. As a matter of fact the Hyperframe is doing much better now with the ULT add on.
We can't do ANY R&D on e-guns until after this SP thing is over. We are all just waiting....
AGD
Kevmaster
12-12-2003, 03:33 AM
Originally posted by blakdragon21
Also I am talking about an electric frame for the mag, i am pretty sure I have heard of the emag and know what it is :rolleyes:.
maybe not... the emag is a RT Pro with a sear tripping trigger frame...thats it
warpedside671
12-12-2003, 07:26 AM
I can't wait till the whole sp thing is over too.I am fine with the AGD setup...yes a electro frame will be nice =)I
guess were all gonna have to wait .;)
LudavicoSoldier
12-12-2003, 08:37 AM
a EMag frame, (Rogue)Rail, and Pack, add an EMagnum board and the other AGD internals, and j00 are all set. :)
GA Devil
12-12-2003, 09:20 AM
Originally posted by AGD
We can't do ANY R&D on e-guns until after this SP thing is over. We are all just waiting....
AGD
Couldnt you get away with the Optical vs micro switch even with SP doing thier thing? Im not totally up to date on the "we are sueing the world" deal but I thought it only consisted on microswitch triggers. Unless There is another patent on the optical now too.
FragTek
12-12-2003, 10:09 AM
^^^ I thought that too.
We don't fall under SP's patent-whoring on/off switch deal, that's kinda nice I guess :) Maybe we should be happy with our little yellow pins :D
Dayspring
12-12-2003, 10:17 AM
The SP thing is broader than that.
It's the actual use of electronics to fire a paintball gun, optical switch or otherwise.
GA Devil
12-12-2003, 10:19 AM
But I dont have an EMAG:( Just a mechanical and want to switch to E but dont have the cash right now with other things I have going on to buy a new emag outright. So I guess for now Ill have to go with the hyperframe or talk the wife into giving me hers and her going mechanical....lol.
FragTek
12-12-2003, 10:21 AM
What kind of valve are you rockin' on your mag GA Devil? If it's an RT valve or an X-Valve I suggest getting a ULT and staying mechanical, as you will be able to achieve a higher ROF than the Hyperframe which I believe is still capped at 13bps if I am not mistaken.
GA Devil
12-12-2003, 10:24 AM
Right now its just an old automag not even a classic. Im switching it over to an X here at the 1st of the year. You can get a 20bps board now from centerflag. Its about 125 if you buy the board seperate now. Think you can get them new in frame tho. I do have the intellifeed frame right now.
FragTek
12-12-2003, 10:31 AM
Ok, thats cool... I don't really keep up on my Hyperframe stuff too much :) Sounds like they have good potential with that new board in them!
felony
12-12-2003, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by TheBigRaguPB4L
They did, it's called the E-mag.
I once agreed with BlackDragun, but realize that is exactly what the emag is :]
And that is exactly what the hyperframe is.
If more info comes out for the hyperframe and maybe it gets a bit cheaper, I may think about switching my emag to that thing. I do like my mag being smaller, but hey, its great now :]
dan
GA Devil
12-12-2003, 10:34 AM
No, the real emag is still the way to go.
xrancid_milkx
12-12-2003, 10:45 AM
I love my E-Mag, so much I have been looking everywhere for a cheap hyperframe for my Minimag (I'm really really poor right now :rolleyes: ).
I think it would be pretty cool if AGD came out with one. But at the same time, there is the SP issue and its still goning to cost around the same price as the hyperframe.
Slimm Jimm
12-12-2003, 03:23 PM
Isn't the SP patent dealing just with the Solenoid and micro-switch? or did they manage to get to the point that you can't even wire a 9-volt to you frame just to play a joke on your friend?
:confused:
Dayspring
12-12-2003, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by Dayspring
The SP thing is broader than that.
It's the actual use of electronics to fire a paintball gun, optical switch or otherwise.
Eric Cartman
12-12-2003, 03:51 PM
Tom's post makes me think that this is something that they might do after the whole SP thing is cleared up (although who knows when that'll be?). I'm willing to wait for that as I've got the ULT to tide me over.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the hyperframe void the AGD warranty? I'd consider getting one if that wasn't the case, but I'd much rather have a e-frame built by AGD.
Scircal
12-12-2003, 06:10 PM
Does anyone actually have the pdf or a web site with the a copy of SP's complaint? I've heard summaries from people who say they are in the know, but have yet to see it myself. If it's true that they claim a patent on ANY electronic device firing paintballs, I don't think any judge would go along with that line of reasoning. That would be like Xerox suing computer manufacturers because they developed computers that run on electricity. I mean, come on.
It would be cool to see what AGD could come up with as far as an electronic upgrade trigger frame. But what about a barrel system? Has AGD ever considered making a multi-bore barrel system designed specifically for the mag? I guess the major hang-up there could be SP as well, since I'm sure their next suit will be against all the companies that make multi-bore barrels...:rolleyes:
RagingFalcon
12-12-2003, 06:17 PM
The one thing i would buy in a heartbeat = Y-grip electric frame for my mag that would absolutely rock.
Who's with me?
Eric Cartman
12-12-2003, 07:47 PM
But what about a barrel system? Has AGD ever considered making a multi-bore barrel system designed specifically for the mag?
I got the impression from earlier threads (correct me if I'm wrong anyone) that Tom would rather shave his head bald while chewing on tinfoil than get into doing a lot of barrels.
While it isn't the prettiest barrel ever made, the crown point that I got with my mag was a kick *** barrel. I'd love to see what kind of barrel system AGD would put out.
I think he said it would be somthing like 300 to make a good electro frame way back in the day.
Originally posted by AGD
We can't do ANY R&D on e-guns until after this SP thing is over. We are all just waiting....
AGD
Not necessarily. I'm in constant contact with the guys at Action Markers. And one new ticket they're making is their Diadem. However they are marketing it not as a whole marker (despite being able to buy it as that) but rather as a "Kit." To bypass the whole Smart Parts issue. Apparently it's the sale of complete markers, the suit has nothing to do with kits.
If AM is right with this then the sale of an add-on electronic grip frame means Nothing with the Smart Parts lawsuit politics. Completely avoids it.
nerobro
12-12-2003, 08:53 PM
And I'll quote tom here... "I should have gone into buisness making aluminum tubes" :-) People wouldn't buy AGD barrels though. Not enough flash.
I too am waiting for the SP thing to be over. it's a big nasty lead weight over paintball that I dont' want to see fall.
$tevo
12-12-2003, 11:58 PM
isnt someone actually making a 90 degree electro trigger frame? Coolhand i think right? or is he thinking about it?
wait wait, was it hostage that was doing it? im half asleep, but someone is making one and i am siked!
Toranaga
12-13-2003, 12:49 AM
Kinda funny, both are making electro frames.
Scircal
12-13-2003, 07:04 PM
the crown point that I got with my mag was a kick *** barrel.
Very true. wish I could get 'em in different bore sizes.
And I'll quote tom here... "I should have gone into buisness making aluminum tubes" :-)
So then he decides to make the ULE bodies. ;) I just wish we could have a multi-bore barrel system with AGD quality. Ah well, can't have everything you want.
blah, this is way off subject....
$tevo
12-13-2003, 08:06 PM
they both are makin electro frames? are they both goin to be vert? and with hyperframe boards or somethin diff?
KermieD
12-14-2003, 01:24 AM
Originally posted by Scircal
Does anyone actually have the pdf or a web site with the a copy of SP's complaint? I've heard summaries from people who say they are in the know, but have yet to see it myself. If it's true that they claim a patent on ANY electronic device firing paintballs, I don't think any judge would go along with that line of reasoning. That would be like Xerox suing computer manufacturers because they developed computers that run on electricity. I mean, come on.
Question of the year apparently. I would love to see this as well. I'm new to this, so I don't even know who's being sued. I would think it's to their advantage to publish the actual complaint as well. Even if they won't, it HAS to be a matter of public record if anyone knows where the suit was filed.
Originally posted by Meph
If AM is right with this then the sale of an add-on electronic grip frame means Nothing with the Smart Parts lawsuit politics. Completely avoids it.
From what I understand of the issue, that is totaly correct Meph. Since SP's patent only covers whole
e-markers, not e-grips by themselves as far as im aware atleast.
So TK and the boys could easily and hassle free develop an e-blade/race type frame for the mag aslong as its develped as an upgrade?
But if im wrong, please someone feel free to correct me
Cheers
Ahhh... Wrong, the patent covers frames too.
AGD
hardr0ck68
12-14-2003, 01:34 PM
ok, if you wounder what the "patent" coveres and what it does not, ask yourself does this use electronics to cycle a paintball gun; if you answer is yes then YES it is covered by the SP "patent"
hmmmmm ahh well, better to be set straight than to be let loose(sp?) with false info I guess.
Just one question though. Does the patent apply to just the USA? Or can it be enforced pretty much world wide?
Cheers
Scircal
12-15-2003, 05:28 AM
Well, couldn't find the lawsuit searching at FindLaw.com, but I was able to find a bunch of Smart Parts patents at the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office (http://www.uspto.gov/) web site. Just do a search for them. For example, patent 5,881,707 appears to be for the Shocker.
Now, which patent is Smart Parts claiming IP theft under? Anyone know where the suit was filed? I'd like to know the precise reasoning behind their claim.
And Powerlyte better watch out, lest Smart Parts decide to sue them under patent 6,494,195 (the Freak Barrel system patent).
From the abstract:
A barrel assembly for a pneumatic paintball gun includes a barrel body and a barrel insert. The barrel body has a breech end, a muzzle end, and a barrel bore extending longitudinally through the barrel body from the breech end to the muzzle end. The barrel insert has a breech end, a distal end, and an insert bore, and is configured to be removably housed within a breech portion of the bore of the barrel body.
Branchvillian
12-15-2003, 08:53 AM
Smart parts makes me sad :(
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