New Odyssey Trigger!!!!!

[AGD]

Yes AO here it is. Now it was SUPPOSED to be simple so no complaints about "thats all there is!!?" because this is all you need!

It takes a different technique to achieve light speed rates with this. You hold the marker with your right hand as usual, then place the thumb on your LEFT hand under the trigger guard. To fire you use your index finger to move UP and DOWN over the roller on the trigger!! Very simple yet SUPER effective.

Yes this was formerly known as the "Comb Trigger" that some people saw at the tech class. Others have made similar triggers. Chris from Odyssey has now refined the shooting style and uses it regularly on the field with dramatic results.

Chris has reported that no one can run through his stream of paint and he is now dominant in all games! He also states that he regularly gets 19 bps from his Emag and other electro guns. It takes some getting used too and some will walk away disapointed that its just a wheel but remember, good things come in small packages!

I have a video that I will post later tonight. I don't want to crawl the server with this many people online.

On a side note, did you like my hype?? Fun huh? :) :)

AGD

[AGD]

I had to post these early because I am going out to dinner!!

[Reo5th]

WOOT!

[Xerces]

when are we going to be able to buy these, and any estimates on price?

[Top Secret]

Hooah! I want one. :D

[einhander619]

[slaps forehead] Why didn't I think of that?

[tobz]

Um...
when I want to lay the paint...
I've always held the gun with my right hand, and shot with my left
I can get such a twitch that even my pre release special edition impulse with what seemed to be an extra sloppy trigger i was pulling 17bps...

hmm

tobz

[RoadDawg]

THAT'S IT! I expected so much more then a tiny wheel. Can't wait to see the vid.

[langrage]

hmmm very intresting... up and down instead of back and forth.:p

[Schnitzel]

you're right....it waaas simple. leave it to tom to point out the simple side of paintball.

[BTAutoMag]

wow

good idea. i thought of that a long time ago but i didnt have the tools to do it with.

[Cha0tic]

so simple it might just work! i'd like to see exactly how it feels. the video clip will be the item that does it justice and clears the hype.

[JEDI]

Interesting idea. I cant wait to try it. How does it work with the trigger magnet in the Emags and Xmags? Is the magnet for the Hall effect sensor still there?

[Spray Painter]

um, it's a trigger. i want to see some vids now

[darklord]

I'm kind of disappointed, seeing how someone in the original thread already called it being a roller trigger... Nice, though! Will there be a blade version available? :D

[Curly]

Interesting, very interesting. Is this tourney legal? I would really like to see some videos.

[virus]

Originally posted by einhander619
[slaps forehead] Why didn't I think of that?

ya know... there are gonna be a lot of people thinking that....


now i wonder how well that would work on a Zgrip... namely mine seeing i run ok 1K for an input :p hmmmmmmmm.....

[314159]

i think this might fall under the deffinition of an autoresponce trigger, one shot per pull, and one on release.

trigger pull = pull and release of the trigger, if you orient your hand like tom says, you fire once as you pull your finger down, and once when you release your finger up.

[pbguy888]

So will it work on a mechanicle mag?

[jeffremiller]

Is that wheel a magnet? If so, does it replace the magnet in the trigger... does it activate the HE?

J_

[JEDI]

Originally posted by 314159
i think this might fall under the deffinition of an autoresponce trigger, one shot per pull, and one on release.

trigger pull = pull and release of the trigger, if you orient your hand like tom says, you fire once as you pull your finger down, and once when you release your finger up.

Wrong, an auto response fires when the trigger comes out. This simply reduces the friction between your finger and the trigger. On the up stroke and the down stroke the trigger still must be pulled inward to fire. Its still legal, its just making it easier

[hardr0ck68]

well i was kinda right, no bumps but an up and down method of pulling the trigger....yay. however tom if you want to really hype you cant stop now, this is the time to add other claims and lead on that there will be lossa upgrades for this one part futher down the pike. like....


We will release this version very soon, now only will it make you the fastest shot on the feild and give you mad bragging rights BUT it also helps your back and due to the increased rate of fire actually gives you more efficenticy (lots of physics to prove this, but untill we get a pattent we cant release that). also if you think this cooks you wont believe what we do with it next!!, i cant say much but let me just mention that even your granny will be able to hit 20bps with whats next!!

[AGD]

Magnet it still behind the roller, its just not adjustable.

AGD

[confedman75]

im confused, so the trigger wont move, the wheel does? Do you roll you finger up and down on the wheel or does the wheel help you move the tirgger back and forth? man i need some help!

[CobraC]

Yes! This a great idea, but i've heard it rolled around before. There are reasons that companys like smart parts, icd, and wdp didnt do this- It will be banned for turny play. They don't make products for recball. I hope it works great, but I have my doubts that it will work at turnys. I don't mean to put it down at all.

[JEDI]

No, the trigger still moves. The wheel just makes it easier to Hum on the trigger

[Spray Painter]

Originally posted by confedman75
im confused, so the trigger wont move, the wheel does? Do you roll you finger up and down on the wheel or does the wheel help you move the tirgger back and forth? man i need some help!

the trigger will move. the wheel make less friction and you move your finger up and down the trigger

[covadsucks]

I'll stick to walking the trigger. Nice idea but it'll get banned for one reason or another.

[EsPo]

i hate any one who has an emag.. or any other electro for that matter..

[genericpaintbal]

so the trigger is stationary? or no

[Kevmaster]

wow...thats amazing

[pbguy888]

So will it work on a mechaniicle mag? Maybe for an I frame? ppppplllllleeeeeaaaaasssssseeee!

[Spray Painter]

Originally posted by genericpaintbal
so the trigger is stationary? or no

no the tigger still moves.

espo- thats not a reason to hate people with electros:)

[Halliday]

Will this work on an Intelliframe? I've never looked really close, but online it seems the E-Mag and Intelliframe triggers are compatible.

Please let me be right........

[Doobie]

woooooowah!:eek:

[genericpaintbal]

Oh I think im getting it now. I don't see it working on mechincal triggers due to the fact that the trigger pull would have to be pretty short.

[Spray Painter]

Originally posted by Halliday
Will this work on an Intelliframe? I've never looked really close, but online it seems the E-Mag and Intelliframe triggers are compatible.

Please let me be right........

same here. i think there compatable but think it would be harder to use on a regular intellframe.

AGD-do you and/or Oddesy have patents on this trigger or patent pending(s)

[ChucktheMAGician]

Of course this comes out 2 weeks after I get the blade installed on my emag:mad: :rolleyes: Ok so when and where will this be available?

[Jack & Coke]

Very cool!

I'll be picking one up!

I did something similar to my GZ almost a year ago:

(http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=80465)

http://www.pbnation.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=609859

However, in my version, the trigger moves side-to-side.

I doubt this is legal...

But in the end, the micro switch DOES move back and forth for each stroke of the finger.

I like :) http://www.automags.org/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

[ben_JD]

...and I just bought a Timmy63 trigger for my still-unseen X-Mag.

[SlipknotX556]

I like tom, I cant wait to get one.

[splat15k]

I have to say, that is pretty cool! Now concentrate on advertising AGD! :D

[demonguy8]

:confused: :confused: (I need a video im too unlearned to undstand):confused: :confused:

[rdb123]

...one question: Do the SFLers get these free? :p

-Ron

[OldSchoolMag]

NIFTY! I'd definatly pick one of these bad boys up for the RT.

However, I'd like it if you could remove the roller and then adjust the magnet (limited adjustment, obviously, but still adjustment). Unless you could get these to come stock with a very short trigger distance, I don't know if I'd get one for an X-Mag.

OSM

[luke]

This is the part I don’t get >>>

Because with all the lawsuit crap going on we want it in the public domain so things don’t get complicated later.
Was it just part of the hype?

[Remington]

What I want to know is: who is getting the credit for it. Is it an AGD invention, Odyssey invention, or is it a joint-operation? Good job Tom, looks great(although I'm somewhat disappointed there's nothing new for mechanical markers)! ;) Keep up the fantastic work AGD, you guys will soon own the paintball industry! :D

[xmetal2001]

Well, I was completely wrong................

I doubt it will be tourney legal, but you never know.

[pballraven]

it is tourney legal. theres nothing wrong with modding a trigger as long as its still one pull one shot

[agdemagman69]

Originally posted by luke
This is the part I don’t get >>>

Was it just part of the hype?



I believe they want it to be public domain so they can claim they made it first,

[luke]

What I want to know is: who is getting the credit for it.

New Odyssey Trigger!!!!!

[magnj]

interesting. I have some trigger Ideas, hmm if Only I knoew anything about electronics so i could proto it lol

I bet they will ban it if it gets too popular. But hey waht fun is anything if it isnt controversial?

[EsPo]

Originally posted by rdb123
...one question: Do the SFLers get these free? :p

-Ron
no youve already got enough for free!


Originally posted by Spray Painter


no the tigger still moves.

espo- thats not a reason to hate people with electros:)

yes it is:) :D ;) :p

[Sinnet]

note to self: Buy E-mag with an Odyssey Trigger


second note to self: make sure to get a paint sponsorship first


Simple lookin, yet from what you tell us, ridiculously effective. AGD has a real trend going here :D

[agdemagman69]

SFL'ers should get em free:D

[da_shibmeister]

tom may have been referring to smart parts sueing anyone and everyone who has come out with an electronic marker these days.

[ICOM]

AGD this seems like agreat idea for a trigger. Just when will they be avaible and a price range? I would like to test out this trigger.

[Cypres0099]

Couldn't you just pull the gun to your shoulder and do the rolling with your right hand? For us warpfeeders.

Also, they could use a magnetic set screw like the tl63 for the adjustment.

[Will Wood]

Looks interesting. I want a E-mag even more now...

[Crack_Monkey]

!!!

¬¬U Wow so that's it... that's.... INCREDIBLE!!!! WHERE"S THE VIDEOS!!!!

[RRfireblade]

WHAT A LET DOWN !

I've been doing that for years! Oldest trick in the book w/ any adjustable electro and a 2 finger.You can hit like 30+ cps on an angel in virtual mode.Some kid posted pics of 36 cps doing that!

Really had me going Tom.

cute little wheel though.

Jay.

[PsychoBaller]

I just ordered a TimmyL63 trigger too...... ah well.. my SFL Still rocks.....

~da baller

[Creative Mayhem]

WOOT! Gottta love that TK.... he loves a good hyping :D

I think i liked the hype better, this is kinda like sex the foreplay was better that the actual act... hehe:D

C Mayhem

[big E kingpin]

like anybody is going to belive me, i thoughtof this like 6 months ago when i started designing my own gun. but my trigger had 3 rollers so everytime you ran your finger up and down it fired 3 times. i made a cheezy proto and it showed amazin potential. i guess i am just to slow to push my ideas to patant :mad:

[rdb123]

Originally posted by agdemagman69
SFL'ers should get em free:D

Lol yeah man. There's only 39 of us since kilaueakid decided to make the SFL II -- he doesn't get one. hehe

-Ron

[-sCaN-]

i understand this fully but i have one question that is still brewing. would this assist in finding that sweet spot for my new x-valve? id imagine the roller would be irrelevant in the i-frame but it might help with that sweet spot. hrmmm. lets do some testing.

sCaN

[nicad]

umm AGD needs to stay away from hype.. cause.. "whoopty freakin doo!!" :)

made this a year ago.. bump it ANY direction and itll fire.. legally doubling your ROF..
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51730&highlight=fiddlestick

out!

[WARPED1]

Eh,not impressed,sorry Chris at Odysee.HALO B is good,waiting on the TSA...........

[Meph]

Hmmmmmmm... this does look quite promising. Sure it may not be the first ever made, but these days it's not really about who made what first. It's who makes something work effectively/consistently.

For this to work properly, will the E-mag have to be fully on electronic mode with its extremely short pull? Or would a trigger pull of say 3mm work with this well?

I have a general idea of this concept. From the first pages' description by Tom. But as others have said, video will make it all much clearer.

[Spray Painter]

Originally posted by nicad
umm AGD needs to stay away from hype.. cause.. "whoopty freakin doo!!" :)

made this a year ago.. bump it ANY direction and itll fire.. legally doubling your ROF..
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51730&highlight=fiddlestick

out!

that's awesome!!!! how much did all the stuff(trigger, microswith, etc.)cost you. how fast have you been able to shoot with that?

[TecnoRobo]

when i first heard of this in the post above i about pooped myself.
after i changed my pants i realized that it was for
an electro mag... or any gun peirod..

and i only have a classic mag :(
i guess i'll have to start saving

[ChucktheMAGician]

Originally posted by Creative Mayhem
this is kinda like sex the foreplay was better that the actual act... hehe:D

C Mayhem

Somebody's not doing something right?!! Still waiting to learn where, when, and how much? :)
**for the trigger, not the previously mentioned subject!**

[CRySyS]

Whatever happened with that trigger?

[rikkter]

Originally posted by TecnoRobo
when i first heard of this in the post above i about pooped myself.
after i changed my pants i...

when people say that, it annoys me. its oldddd..(nothign against you, not flaming, just stating):D

[Python14]

well, I like it. :)

[kiolia]

:D

I'm gonna make my own...

[TheGreatPru]

i rememberd reading this a while back . . . thought it might apply to the thread

http://forums.paintballcity.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=211919&highlight=trigger

(*note* i have no idea whats true or not with NPPL, PSP, NXL rules these days...)

[EchoX]

I read most of the thread, but I might've missed it. Did Tom give a link to the video yet? I wanna see this bad boy in action.

[mrhooie]

ok , ok


two questions

WHEN???


and


HOW MUCH ???


surely you guys have these ready to go?

good show fellas - much impressed - was going to sell the eMag for something else------now - maybe not

[digitard]

Regardless if its been done or not .. its an AGD approved part, spec'd out for their setups. You dont have to mill out components, or build it ...

You've got a trigger and components needed to install it all bundled together ready to drop into your mag.

Sincerely,
Dave K

[WARPED1]

Originally posted by TheGreatPru
i rememberd reading this a while back . . . thought it might apply to the thread

http://forums.paintballcity.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=211919&highlight=trigger

(*note* i have no idea whats true or not with NPPL, PSP, NXL rules these days...) This pretty much makes that trigger useless,they are going to make us use non motorized loaders if this is allowed.:(I just bought an Empire reloader!Damn!*looks for his old VL-200.*

[EchoX]

Is the roller trigger video the clip of the new innovation. Doesn't look like it swings in the middle. Also, would it work on RT Pro's because it looks like it's electronically activated.

[RobAGD]

Guys you are not paying attention to what is being said.

This trigger will ONLY work on Electro Guns ( Emag, Angel, imp, Bushie, Timmy, shocker, EM1, Spring Frames ect )

NOT - RTP's, RT's, Classic Automags or Minis.

I have been running a verson of this trigger since Am Open and it just freaking ripps, ONly time I have really used it at the break and I MOW people and I am software limited to 16bps and I flat out smack the wall with the trigger set up.

Now playing as a back play I get more paint up on someone making a move, I can cover more area and Now I need a bigger tank and harness :)

The trigger Swings just like it normally does, but your working your finger up and down so you getting 3 shots per movment of your finger BUT it full trigger movment so it's legal.

Its going to be very very hard to ban this as its going to call to task of defining what a trigger pull IS and IS NOT.

If I get really board I'll rip out some shots into the mike for you.

-Robert

[gibby]

Hehe! I found the whole thing amusing. Hey, sometimes the simplest solution is the best solution. And most effective solution too. In this case, it's a roller rather than new hardware that will cost hundreds. This mod is a very cheap way of improving your ROF.

You can't help but give TK room to have fun. While I was reading, I couldn't help but think how lengthy his post was. After reading his original post, I kept wondering what it was. I'm sure he's equally amused whether you're impressed or disappointed.

[roczilla]

HONK HONK!! Things that make you go Hmmmm...Well i cant imagine shooting faster than im shooting now with the Xmag,but bring it!!!!but bring it Clowns Rule Clown town

[pito189]

Can't wait for the videos to see this thing in action.

[FutureMagOwner]

who needs videos i need a price tag!!!

[digitard]

There is a video, its in the other thread .. but here's a link to the video that I stored on another server so AO wouldn't get hit as hard during downloads.

http://www.plur2k.com/beta/trigger.mpeg

Sincerely,
Dave k

[dre1919]

So since this works on "electrics", what about the Hyperframe? Will it work on it?

[Cypres0099]

PEOPLE!!!

It's little wheeel! It will work on any electronic gun.... because it's a little wheel!



Whew... I had to get that out. :)

[Thordic]

What is this poodoo about fanning the trigger being illegal? Thats a bunch of bullcrap, that's like telling me how to shake off my boy when Im done taking a leak. "Two shakes to the left, and then put it away, nothing else!"

Wouldn't rolling your finger up and down over the trigger count as "fanning" or "stroking" since you aren't "pulling"?

[dre1919]

Originally posted by Cypres0099
PEOPlE!!!

It's little wheeel! It will work on any electronic gun.... because it's a little wheel!



Whew... I had to get that out. :)

Excellent point...and now I feel dumb.

[Jonno06]

oh oh oh oh!!!

TK.you are the greatest!!!

when and where do I send the money?!

[RRfireblade]

According to that rules clarification thread,it's seems to me that the ability to "stroke" a roller trigger would make it illegal since it's not a delibrate "pull and release" for eack shot.

Tom,any comments?

Jay.

[WARPED1]

Originally posted by Jonno06
oh oh oh oh!!!

TK.you are the greatest!!!

when and where do I send the money?! TK didn't make it,it was Chris at Odysee,read AGD's first post.

[Conqueror]

That video is amazingly unimpressive. I can choost just as fast if not faster on a normal trigger. THAT SAID, I'd still like to try one. It's a promising idea.

CQ

[FutureMagOwner]

lol thordic anyway i dont see how they can go about banning it since you can do it with a normal double trigger theyd have to ban all double triggers that arent blades which would really tick me off.

[*ArKfEaR*]

well now that you have it and its all hyped up try to make it look sweet.

Like gloss black trigger with chrome ball, gloss black with plantinum ball ;), nickel plated with black, nickel with plantinum ball ;), all nickel, all chrome, high polish ultra light aluminum. Stock emag matching colors with SS ball. :) :)

[personman]

Wow, another thing thats on my list of buying stuff once I get my e-mag.. :p
I wanna know the price, and where to get it!! :eek:

[bofh]

Thordic, I don't see anyting in the rules to ban "stroking"

http://www.nppl.com/rules.pdf
Section 5.21 goes over the trigger...

However, I would how long it will take to put it in :)

[Thordic]

The thread from PBN someone posted was talking about a rules change, maybe they didn't implement it yet?

I don't intend to ever play NPPL, if I wanted to babysit I'd go watch my 4 year old cousin, but what happens in the NPPL influences the rest of the industry, so...

[manike]

I know Bill Cookston was talking about implementing a rule to make 'nub rubbing' ;) illegal... and from a private chat he doesn't consider it a pull and release of the force on the trigger... I think a debate on the subject could get very technical and not get resolved. It would probably end with "I'm head judge, That's not allowed" :D

[Evil Bob]

I can see Bill putting it into the books as "nub rubbing" :)

"Ref!! He's rubbing his nub!!!"

I get the feeling they will have to make a ruling on it soon before it grows too popular.

-Evil Bob

[CRog075]

Its a neat idea, but I think it should be made illegal at tournies.

[cledford]

removed my post because I asked the same question in it's own thread and AGD more then answered it...

-Calvin

[Jonesie]

Originally posted by cledford
Anyone care to elaborate on Bill, what he stands for, or why he's such a party pooper when it comes to BPS and how people shoot their guns?

Thanks,

-Calvin

I'm with you, Calvin. I'd like to know what in the world this guy does stand for. We should try to get him on chat... :D

Jonesie

[Temo Vryce]

OK the question has been put out as to wiether or not this will work for Mechanical mags or not. I can't see why it wouldn't. When I was playing and still owned a mag, that was how I pulled the trigger, with an up and down motion. I believe that the wheel would work on mechanical marker and if I can get my hands on a spare trigger I'll look into making it a wheel trigger and trying it out.

Now that being said I can't see it working on a marker with a long trigger pull like the one the Spyder has.

Anyone want to send me thier mag to test this with? :D

-----------------------


5.21. The definition of a trigger is the movable lever or button that comes in contact with the finger. The contacts of a switch will not be considered to be a trigger. A trigger pull requires an exertion of force by
the finger on the trigger and a release of force by the finger on the trigger during every firing cycle.
Markers may fire at any rate of fire, and may shoot any number of paintballs, provided that it fires in semi auto or pump mode only, which means that no more than one paintball is discharged during each
firing cycle.

Now to me, pulling down on the wheel would exert force on teh trigger causing the marker to cycle. Once you have passed your finger over the wheel you releasing this force on wheel and the trigger returns to the rest position. Pulling your finger back up does the same thing only in the opposite direction. Just because you don't have to pull backwards doesn't mean that you are doing a complete pull and release. You're just doing it differently. Clean up the wiper s and other cheaters first then worry about the way people pull the trigger.

[manike]

Originally posted by Temo Vryce
OK the question has been put out as to wiether or not this will work for Mechanical mags or not. I can't see why it wouldn't. When I was playing and still owned a mag, that was how I pulled the trigger, with an up and down motion. I believe that the wheel would work on mechanical marker and if I can get my hands on a spare trigger I'll look into making it a wheel trigger and trying it out.

The wheel might help, but I couldn't get the same effect with my x-mag when in manual as compared to electro...

[Temo Vryce]

Ok I can agree with that. It won't be as effective on a manual marker as it is on an electric but that doesn't mean it won't work.

It's kinda like the rifled barrel barrel debate. Spining the ball doesn't improve the accuracy but that doesn't mean rifling a barrel doesn't work.

*edit*
can't speel :)

[Evil Bob]

The reason why it won't work on a mechanical marker has to do with how the firing system is triggered. An electronic marker normally takes a mere few ounces of force on the trigger to actuate it. A mechanical marker usually takes a few POUNDS of pressure to trigger.

You are not simply going to waggle your finger on the roller on a trigger that requires several pounds to pull, it's not going to happen. It's the reason why people fan or twitch with their whole wrist/arm, it takes more force then a single finger sideways can exert.

-Evil Bob

[Cypres0099]

I just say we put one of these....

HAHAHA (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd/product.asp?sku=RGR-600)

on a RT mag with a normal frame, then we'll see who fires fast. :D

[CTG]

Just to make things a little more clear. The video is not with the new trigger. The video is with a standard emag trigger. I will send Tom a new video when I make one. Bill will have a hard time making this illegal because I can still do it without the wheel. The wheel just makes it easier to do with very little practice.

[rjvemt1]

i am at work and dont have time to read four pages of babbling;) so this may have already been asked...

you say it works on all electros. will you make a version for the hyperframes?

[orderofreason]

guys have been able to do that on matrixes for about 2 years now, without the roller ball.

[gimp]

Seems like you could do that without the little wheel there, if you adjust your trigger to be sensitive enough. It looks kind of neat, I'd try it. The main problem I see with it is that, you have to use 2 hands just to shoot. I wouldn't be able to fire to accuratly with that. And I wouldn't be able to shoot that at all with the warp feed on. I guess thats not much of a problem to the guy's at oddessy though. It just looks like it would be hard to be accurate while shooting. The only place I could see using it would be right off the break, like what Rob said. I think, if you really wanted to be creative, you could combine that trigger, with the Z-grip and make it so that you don't have to use 2 hands to use it. If you had the z-grip, then your hand would already be close to the correct position, you'd just need to modify the trigger so it was in the correct spot.

I think this trigger is a step in the right direction, but it still needs some work before I'd buy one. I guess what I'm trying to say is, make an E-Z-grip Mag, with the roller trigger, so that I can do it with one hand, and use the other hand to help with my aim. Then, I'd buy one.

[AGD]

Actuall I had a pointed conversation about this style of trigger with Bill two world cups ago. When I explained how it worked and asked if that would be illegal he said "I don't know, I would have to think about it." He went on to say that if I showed up with it he would probably have to let me play but I might not be able to use it at the next tourney.

AGD

[MagDog68]

I guess I am dense or something - what the hell was the point of all that 13bps cap that used to be talked about? Is there no industry cap on bps anymore? or was there any to begin with? Personally I love my E-Mag, but I have to tell you I hate shooting a case of paint in 8 minutes - and I am a frugal shooter!!!

It seems to me that ROF is getting way too crazy - to the point that the semis and full autos are almost indistinguishable. So for what its worth - who cares if you can shoot 15 bps or 18 bps? If you shoot that much and miss, you really suck anyway!

Just my 3:30 am $0.02.

~Fred "Sometimes I really miss my Plain '68'." Perry

PS - The trigger looks very kewl none the less.
PPS - Why the hell did I write "kewl"? Must be past my bedtime.

[nippinout]

This technique is possible on a normal trigger.

It's a legal pull and release on a normal trigger. Surely you can't regulate how a person actually physically accomplishes a pull and release with his finger. You can actually pull/release, tense your arm, or even fan the trigger. All legal ways to pull a trigger.

So the addition of a wheel raises controversy?

Isn't the wheel just acting as a way to reduce the sliding friction b/t finger and trigger?

On a 'normal' pull, your finger is putting a force vector parallel to the trigger's path of travel.

In the Odyssey pull, your finger is putting a force vector tangentinal to the trigger's path of travel. Due to the trigger's geometry and constricted path of travel, you still give the trigger a pull.

The Odyssey technique can be accomplished with or without a wheel. Tourneys can't possibly ban double triggers. The Odyssey technique can be done on any trigger, even a stick trigger.

So what's all the commotion about it being banned about?

[Q[TXR]]

From the NPPL rules 5.21
A trigger pull requires an exertion of force by the finger on the trigger and a release of force by the finger on the trigger during every firing cycle.
There is certainly a gray area regarding the legality of this trigger, the judging could definitely go either way.

[jwa158]

has anybody ever tried firing that way but without using the roller on an electro? i have a matrix and that's how me an my friend shoots when we mess around. i put my thumb under the trigger guard an hit all 3 points on the trigger (bottom, middle, top). i can get 20bps on it an my friend can get 21 on his.

[manike]

Originally posted by Q[TXR]
From the NPPL rules 5.21
There is certainly a gray area regarding the legality of this trigger, the judging could definitely go either way.

Where is the grey area? Your finger must exert and release a force on the trigger in order for it to go backwards and forwards. There is nothing grey there in my eyes. Your finger just does this as it goes past the trigger nub, not by going forwards and backwards.

As the finger comes up to the contact point it starts exerting the force, and then as it moves past it, it's releasing the force.

[WickedAirSportz]

At CalJam, Bill told me that a trigger pull and release must be relatively the same angle. This did not rule out walking or fanning the trigger, just the rubbing method. He was very specific about this.

[Jack & Coke]

What's the difference between:

http://www.automags.org/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=600941

and this...

http://www.computersims.com/altpaintball/images/gatdemo.gifhttp://www.computersims.com/altpaintball/images/gat.gif

http://www.computersims.com/altpaintball/gat.htm

For an advantage in firepower, whether achieved via nub rubbing, roller triggers, or hand cranking, you're still circumventing the spirit and intention of "pulling the trigger". :rolleyes:

...and with that said, I'll take two! :Dhttp://www.automags.org/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

[rjvemt1]

hey i got one ofthose finger cranks on a sks sittng on my dinnng room table right now !!!

[powermad]

Should call it the CLIT trigger.

[Reo5th]

Originally posted by powermad
Should call it the CLIT trigger.

uh...no.

[Curly]

Originally posted by Reo5th


uh...no.

[Q[TXR]]

Originally posted by manike
Where is the grey area? Your finger must exert and release a force on the trigger in order for it to go backwards and forwards. There is nothing grey there in my eyes. Your finger just does this as it goes past the trigger nub, not by going forwards and backwards.

As the finger comes up to the contact point it starts exerting the force, and then as it moves past it, it's releasing the force.
I've heard from refs at tournaments to use the rule 1 pull+1 release=1 shot and with the technique of "nub rubbin'" or "stroking" that would give 2 shots or more, at least as I understand it.
On the other hand one could interpret the rule as you have done in which it would be only 1 shot. This is what I would consider the gray area.