Photochoppers a little project for ya

[cphilip]

Can someone do a project mock up for me here.

I need this Logic frame Ryan makes put on a Karta body by Nicad like the one of the Emag but on an RT pro in this case.... With an RT Pro Bicycle foregrip up from and one of Rogues feed necks on it. The Grip remaining silver like this but the body and all the other stuff in Black Gloss.

I realize the RT Pro rail will be slightly different when it comes out but it not sure we can image that difference yet.

Here is body shots from side with emag rail though.

http://arowmic.com/workfiles/kartacolors.jpg

And a good representation of Ryans grip frame on a similar (Dallara body) marker but not an RT pro with the Bicycle grip. Ill go find a grip shot but not knowing much about Photoshop myself I don't really know what you would need for the layers and all.

[cphilip]

The grip frame like I was looking at...

http://www.automags.org/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=1227623

[cphilip]

And the RT Pro with its grip on...

http://store.airgun.com/agdprod/images/markers/ACF2B5F.jpg

[cphilip]

It might be undoable for all I know. But its hard for me to imagine this and then think colors and all....

http://store.airgun.com/agdprod/images/parts/forwardgrip_sml.jpg

[cphilip]

...and yes there is a prize! For a nice job. :D

[Rather]

Here ya go Phil. LMK whatcha think.



I had time to kill and was playing around with PS anyways. So this worked out for the both of us. :D

[cphilip]

Very close. Certainly makes it come into focus. Can you color the body and rail black? Maybe stick a black barrel in it so I can get an idea of balance. And black grips too by the way. On the Silver grip frame.

Need to do something with that darn Drop bracket don't we? Maybe powder coat it black?

Or maybe I can get someone to drill and tap it and we put the forgrip right on the rail?

[FutureMagOwner]

check this out :) (yeah i know its nothing special

[Rather]

Ok I have a couple of of it darker, one w/ the bracket and one w/o.

It came out more of a Pewter-ish color (on my screen, needs to be calibrated properly for PS =/) any darker and it would have ben a big black blob.

*Edit- Now that im looking at it here, I think I got the scale of gun to barrel slightly off....:(

[Rather]

With Bracket...

[cphilip]

Ok lets lose the bracket. Put the fore grip right on the bottom of the rail. That bracket has to go doesn't it?

[cphilip]

Well maybe not... doesn't look THAT bad realy if its black.

What do you guys think? Can we get that grip back to Silver there. And shorten that barrel? Thats a BIG barrel! :D

Ok design contest ends Tomorrow night so take your time editing and all. Best representation of what I am after wins a AOSE II T shirt in your size!

[FragTek]

I did a recolor on the one above to de-butcher it a bit....

[blackclown]

Where do u get the Karta bodys?

[Tunaman]

Thats freakin sick...Auto WHAT? :D

[Emily]

Tuna you took the words right out of my mouth, Phill we were talking about that this morning!! Dude I want to build mine now. That rocks!!

[Rather]

Final one from me, and I'm turning in for the night.

Added the Rogue Neck (that I completely mised before now, eek). Gave the RT rail back because it keeps the frame from looking like a sore thumb. Swapped the hideously long barrel.

Enjoy. :)

[cphilip]

Ok we getting close. You can sort of tell what it might look like now can't you? OK lets do one more thing now. Lets see that last one with the Foregrip rigth on the rail without using the bracket. I realize its hard to figure out what the rail will look like up there because there is not one to see. Far as I know Nicad has not done an RT rail into that body yet. So all we got is the chopped off nose of the emag rail to see. The RT one is longer and more tapered up there. Not certain what it would look like. But as far as realy mounting it...That might can be done fairly easy and clean up the lines of this thing when the rail comes forward some more. I seen a few others do a direct mount on RTP's and I think there is plenty of meat in that area of the rail to allow the screws and counter sinking of them....


Just remember... this would not be a cheap project marker. This thing would probably cost as much as a Emag if not close to an X mag... but one cool *** Mechanical rivaling anything else out there in rate of fire and looks really!

[Rather]

Ok, about the rail. I have it looking closer to a RT rail. got rid of the logo oval, gave it the 3 tapped holes.

Now a couple Q's ot make sure I have it as accurate as I can.

Can you give me a comparison of a e-mag to a RT rail.
They about the same length?
Which area where you reffering to when u said it was mreo tappered?


Btw this is coming along very nicely. Can't wait to see one actually done to see how close/far I was on its apperances. :D

[cphilip]

Well that the issue. I need to find a picture of the two side by side or something. Let me keep looking here....

They are about the same in every way but the nose of them if I am not mistaken.... And no indent for the Jewel I think. Anyone know where a good picture of the RT Pro rail is? Side of it mainly.

On edit. I might be wrong. They may not be "that" different shape at the front end as I am just trying to go from memory here... Just maybe the holes for the bracket and no dimple for the jewel like the emag has. Problem is both of my markers, the RTP and the X mag are out at the field right now so I cannot look at them and confirm exactly but I can only find these two pictures

Emags:
http://store.airgun.com/agdprod/images/parts/ACF1669.jpg

RT Pro:
http://store.airgun.com/agdprod/images/parts/ACF64.jpg

[cphilip]

One is facing one way and one the other but sans the holes they are almost identical except that recess for the jewel.

So lets use the original one showing the flat front of the emags rail. For now. There is a picture of Nicads somewhere that he shows that rail done with the Karta body too. Just its an emag rail is all. And I have seen several pictures where they ditched the bracket and mounted the grip right to the rail. I think Rogue has some with his Foregrip like that showing a RTP with direct mount to the RTP rail.

[CoolHand]

As far as I can tell, the EMag and RTPro rails are exactly the same, size shape, etc., except for the logo oval on the emag is replaced by the six tapped holes on the RTP.

I had one of each here for almost a month, and those two things were the only cosmetic differences I noticed.

I can machine the rail (even an EMag rail), to accept the foregrip without that clunky SS adapter plate, so if you want that done, just drop me a line.

That thing is gonna look entirely too cool.

You will need people to go ahead of you to warn others about the eminent coolness that is approaching, so you don't have people passing out from shock. :D

Later

[Rather]

They look almsot identicle except for the jewel recess/3 tapped front holes. But I also kinda notticed that at the top front of the RT there is a slight angle to it, whre as the emag one is still flsuh. Is that just my eyes or anyone see that too? :confused:

IF it is there, would all that mean is that the curves around the barrel would be a little shorter so there isnt a small gap BW the RT rail and Karta?

[cphilip]

Originally posted by Rather
...But I also kinda noticed that at the top front of the RT there is a slight angle to it, whre as the emag one is still flsuh. Is that just my eyes or anyone see that too? :confused:

If it is there, would all that mean is that the curves around the barrel would be a little shorter so there isnt a small gap BW the RT rail and Karta?

I think maybe your right there Rather... I gotta wait till my stuff gets back from the field to comfirm that though. And it is very small and slight if its there.

And thanks Ryan for that input. And I might indeed need you to do that. I gonna take the one on my current RTP off tonight and confirm all that. But you already have confirmed that pretty much. And I might send it on to you before we send it on to Nicad for the carving for the body combo. I will confirm the little taper of facet as well. I seem to remember something like that being there. And other than the recess for the jewel and the holes and taps for the bracket thats pretty darn much the same.

[Fixion]

People, people, adjust the hue, don't color over it!

Here's my contribution.

[Rather]

Fix- If your reffering to what all I have done. Its nothing nothing but playing with the hue. May have gone a bit dark, granted, but I was trying to keep away from the pewtery shine.

Anyways, here is the latest, didn't touch the curves around the barrel as to I do not know how much a difference (if any) there would be.

[Fixion]

Originally posted by Rather
Fix- If your reffering to what all I have done. Its nothing nothing but playing with the hue. May have gone a bit dark, granted, but I was trying to keep away from the pewtery shine.

Anyways, here is the latest, didn't touch the curves around the barrel as to I do not know how much a difference (if any) there would be.

Nope, I wasn't refering to you. I can tell that you messed with the hue (from the feed neck). It was just a general statement.

[cphilip]

So whats the general feeling here on these points....

Bracket or no Bracket? I leaning towords no bracket and directly attached to the Rail.

What about the grip color? Black or should we change that? Frame is set at Clear anno Silver. Body color not set yet can be anything really that would go with the Silver but I lean towords Black for matching barrels I already have here

Also how about that feed neck? Should be change that to Silver on a black body? or keep it Black. Silver might set it off up there with the Silver grip frame.

[member#10,261]

no bracket
black grips
black feedneck

I would do this for the ultomat mech mag...
-karta body viagra blue
-karta rail (tapped for a direct grip attachment) viagra blue
-x valve (with ult) black (duh)
-logic vert frame black
-custom blue grips
-rogueneck viagra blue
-thoes magnetic detents viagra blue (I think you can custom anno them?)
-bike grip or roguegrip
-anything else on the gun or tank...black

sorry but thoes pics inspired me

[arowmic]

Personally I'd drop that nasty looking drop bracket!

Here is a picture of the Karta on a milled RT rail. The front had to be cut on an angle to match the rail.
http://arowmic.com/dw/kartartrail.jpg

Comparison picture of the E-Mag rail and the RT Rail.
http://arowmic.com/dw/karta&sister.jpg

[cphilip]

Excellent arowmic! Exactly what we needed! Thanks for finding that for me. Perfect.

Still...seems like everyone seems to think "drop the bracket" and go on marker right?

[gamarada717]

I think that the bracket is fine, as long as it's black.

[tony3]

Phil, try to find someone selling an old school rt bracket that were aluminum and annod black. If not just get the SS one powercoated black. For once I actually really like the bracket.

[tony3]

blacked out

[cphilip]

I think we are going to do both actually. Since the holes are already there and appear to survive we can put the bracket back on if we chose too. But in the mean time we can also drill for the direct mount. All we end up with is two holes. And one extra option. So why not? I mean then we can do both and see it finished and decide. And in the mean time while the milling is being done I will just have one of the brackets Powdercoated to see what it ends up looking like and all. Then when everything is done we can mock it all up and chose. Sounds good?

[Mateo]

Umm I don't know if anyone is able to do this, but why don't you make a better looking bracket that flows better with the body, frame, and rail? But that bracket needs to go or make a better one. IMO.

[cphilip]

Yea. I keep expecting one of our talented milling guys to make a bracket. But seems that more often than not people prefer to just lose the bracket all together and mount it directly on the rail. So I guess it's just easier for that to happen and maybe just not enough demand for the better bracket? Some day that may change I guess. But we have talented people out there that can make a better aftermarket bracket thats for sure.

[Mateo]

I would like to see this final product and maybe Tuna could assemble and sell them like he is known to do very well?;)

[cris8762]

that bracket ruins the flow of the gun IMO

if the bracket was more flowing and didnt have that "old-skool" spacey look it would be ok.

It looks kinda like you're building the mag version of the A4 (based on looks alone, flowing body, 90* frame, clamping feedneck, etc.)

[cphilip]

Originally posted by cris8762
It looks kinda like you're building the mag version of the A4 (based on looks alone, flowing body, 90* frame, clamping feedneck, etc.)

Somewhat I suppose. Except in a mechanical marker. And lower profiled and lighter at that.

[cphilip]

Ok this is moving forward now.

So far:

Ryan at Logic is finishing up the grip frame as we speak.

Rogue is shipping out a Raw Clamping feed neck in the next day or so.

Colin and I are finishing up negotiations to get the body and rail done and he is going to put the Grip on Rail for me while it's there. Ryan offered to do it but this makes more sense because that rail has to go to Nicad for the body mill anyway.

Big hold up to getting Colin what he needs and getting started is when the RTP is going to ship to me along with the Sluggo we need for this. They may already have shipped but I do not know it yet that this is the case. Or they may be another week or so before they ship. Waiting on Jon to answer and tell me whats going on. So I just do not know yet. But then I got to get packed back up and on to Nicad to do his portion. Then that time it takes.

The rest of the stuff is sitting here already. So this is moving forward so far. This is going to get built. Within a month it should be ready. I moving as fast as I can on it now.

More as I know whats going on. Thanks for your help.

[vaypourus]

cphilip-

Whos gun is that with the dimple-less dallara and logic frame?? Thats basically the gun I am now building....man that looks sweet!

[cphilip]

I have no idea. Sweet marker though. I never heard the name of the owner.

Remember that is the Nicad made body that goes on a regular mag rail not an RTP/Emag rail. But the grip frame can be used on the RTP or the Mag either one. Thats Coolhands work there that grip frame. He tells me that is a Clear anno on that one. And as you can see that one is a regular mag rail with Dallara body. If you wanted to do the RTP you would need to ask Nicad for the Karta RTPro edition of this with an RTP or Emag rail.

[vaypourus]

Yup- I realize that! I ordered the first Chord V2 body from Nicad when he made them available to the public, and thats the body that will go on my emag (gonna have to do some modification there). The Dallara will be for the mechanical x-valved mag. I've been speaking with Coolhand about his logic frame too; I just had to get one when I saw it.

I'm just not a big fan of the way the top and the front of the karta flows. Sorry Nicad...

Now I just need Nicad to come out with another style body for my Z-grip!