Spyder eyes, with video... (or Nero versus traffic)

[nerobro]

Well guys, we finally put a F/A chip in the gun to demonstrate just how fast this gun can go. You can hear the halo spring wind down as it fires.

the boards ARE for sale.

4-99bps
adjustable sear dwell
adjustable debounce
optional eyes

First video. Listen for the halo spring unwinding. With Z-code. 314159 fireing. (http://www.terminalerr.com/vids/ISAutoEye.mpg)

Seccond video. Also listen for the halo spring unwinding. Non z-code. 314159 fireing. (http://www.terminalerr.com/vids/ISAutoEye2.mpg)

More Z code video to come later.


Yes I'm in short sleves, yes it's snow. And Yes it's a balmy 19deg F out ;-) I love the cold.
http://www.zodnetworks.com/~nerobro/public/Pictures/NeroOnStep.JPG

[PissedGodzilla]

okay! How would you get this board, and is it compatible with the Icon?

[trevorjk]

thats purdy fast for a spyder

[nerobro]

it's fast for anything. dont' say "for a spyder" :-)

the boards are cappable of driving anything with one solinoid. They are direct fits for kingman e-guns. We don't support any other installs. But... lemmie put it this way. The board is going into a timmy and angel in a week or two ;-)

to put it more clearly. Yes it will work in your icon. no we won't support it. yes we will sell you a wireing harness to hook it up. If it doesn't work, it's your money, not ours. :-)

[PissedGodzilla]

it's an esp frame on the Icon, so i don't think I should have a problem... I'll take a chance.... to let my marker shoot like that... I'll definitely take that chance.... How do i buy?!?:D

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by nerobro Listen for the halo spring unwinding.

So does that mean the Halo will only feed 15bps continuously?

[Jack & Coke]

Look great!

more pics please!:D

(detail of your work)

[Top Secret]

I got to shoot the prototype board at IAO. Unbelieveably fast.

[RoadDawg]

Originally posted by RRfireblade


So does that mean the Halo will only feed 15bps continuously?

I'm not sure if it's 15 continiously but when TK was out here at the AO CA meet we were out shooting halo B's with Z code with Flyboy's & Skirts Xmags w/4.0. The halo's fast rate is the initial burst but eventually goes down to a slower speed.

Looks quick. Doesn't look like the bolt is moving all the time.

[trevorjk]

yeah yeah i know its fast... but doesnt the spyder have a limit to how fast it can shoot becuase its basically tripping a sear? or correct me if im wrong

[nerobro]

yes, it does have a limit. That limit is about 50bps. The gun cycles in about 20ms. So do the math from there. That's signifigantly faster than the ram driven guns out there.

The Eye position is a little low in this particular setup. We're toying with ideas to crank up the rof some more.

Odyssey claims the halo tops out at 50, and as the spring unwinds it drops down to 22.5. That was with fresh, albiet cheap batterys. And the stock spring. Who wants to do a ROF analysis on the first 10 shots or so out of the gun?

As for the bolt not looking like it's moving, you'd need a camera running at signifigantly more fps than my little camera will do. I'm getting something like 16 or 20fps. The bolt moves JUST THAT FAST that the camera misses it most of the time.

Oh yea, the gun is 100% stock internally. No fancy tricks, no polishing, no new valves.... nada.

jack&coke, here's a link for yaThe link to the pictures... (http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=3365782#post3365782)

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by RoadDawg


I'm not sure if it's 15 continiously but when TK was out here at the AO CA meet we were out shooting halo B's with Z code with Flyboy's & Skirts Xmags w/4.0. The halo's fast rate is the initial burst but eventually goes down to a slower speed.


I beleive the burst rate is in the 30's+ according to Odyssey.The are capable of 21+ continuously based on my own use.

I was just being facetous in my statement,meaning the vids show about 17-18bps and level out to 15bps.;)

[nerobro]

Then that means the eyes are slowing us down. :-/ we were getting a nice 22 pre-eyes. time to rethink the eye setup.

[RRfireblade]

Originally posted by nerobro
Then that means the eyes are slowing us down. :-/ we were getting a nice 22 pre-eyes. time to rethink the eye setup.

22 would be sweet,I'd like to se that.Keep us posted.:)

[nippinout]

nero, might want to check this out. HALO hot-rodding (http://haveblue.org/tech/halo/)

It's a little strange that the eyes add so much lag. Let me look at your code. :D

[314159]

Originally posted by nippinout
Let me look at your code. :D

10 party
20 get started
30 goto 10

[TheTramp]

That burst right in the beginning is nuts.

[dinger]

whoa

get one for a piranah! :D

[Kaiser Bob]

qloader baby

[GT]

Originally posted by Kaiser Bob
qloader baby

:D I will check the vid when I get to the house. Any gun with a single selnoid....... hmmmmm..... what does AGD make with a.....

[sneakyhacker420]

fastest 1 second of firing - ~18 BPS
http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/IS_BPSA.gif


fastest burst - first .243 seconds - 18.72 BPS
http://www.fragtek.com/sneaky/IS_BPSA_F.gif

[nerobro]

Eyes loose me 4bps. That's painfull. :-/ Sneaky, 314159 is wondering what software you use.

(I'm concerned about 4bps, when I can only pull 13ish.. :-))

GTRSI: As for running an e-mag... I think the board would be able to do it without breaking a sweat. It uses a vreg to power the chip logic, and it dumps full power to the solinoid. however, it won't easily fit into an emag frame.

[Gunga]

Originally posted by nerobro
314159 is wondering what software you use.

Looks like Cool Edit Pro 2.x. But Cool Edit was bought by Adobe recently, and is now known as 'Audition'. You can get it here. (http://www.adobe.com/products/audition/main.html)

[hardr0ck68]

so that was only 18bps...its a joke for people to think they can pull faster than that without "help" aka CHEATER software....:rolleyes:

[yeahthatsme]

i want one :D

[yeahthatsme]

make a vid or just a sound file of full auto at as fast as it can go with just air(no loader would keep up) and you'd be my hero

[sneakyhacker420]

it'll sound like a spyder or tippmann running out of gas... or a piranha with the sear relase held down :p


and gunga... i don't wanna spare $99 for an upgrade when i got this software for free... /me hugs kazaa ;)

but yes, it is Cool Edit Pro 2.0

[sneakyhacker420]

Originally posted by hardr0ck68
so that was only 18bps...its a joke for people to think they can pull faster than that without "help" aka CHEATER software....:rolleyes: and stop attacking every software with shot buffering/debounce options

good luck getting any bounce on a spyder e-frame... :rolleyes:

and as far as 'cheater boards' go... thats a more aggressive term for the phrase for "idiots that set their debounce to 1 m/s during in-game play"

[Barfly]

actually 18bps is possible from raking the trigger.

[sneakyhacker420]

and raking is usually showing that there is bounce in the trigger...

[Z-man]

nice stuff!

unless you mod the Halo you are gonna be stuck around 22bps. My video of me rapidfiring my RT shows about that.

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=98059

Anything faster and you outrun the loader....


Perhaps you (or I) might try a 12v moded Warp on the Halo to give it a little zip.

[bgredjeep]

Originally posted by nerobro
the boards ARE for sale.

4-99bps
adjustable sear dwell
adjustable debounce
optional eyes


Are these LCD boards? Also, where do we get info about purchase, and how much? Is there a tourny lock? (last one) Are there pics of the board available so that we can deside if it will fit our marker (boo-yah e-lcd in my case)?

thanks

[RRfireblade]

fastest 1 second of firing - ~18 BPS


show about 17-18bps

Thanks for backing that up,I just did it half fast.


stop attacking every software with shot buffering/debounce options

Nero clearly stated it was a full auto board,he's just showing what it's capable of,not starting a debate over cheater software.

[robdamanii]

Originally posted by bgredjeep


Are these LCD boards? Also, where do we get info about purchase, and how much? Is there a tourny lock? (last one) Are there pics of the board available so that we can deside if it will fit our marker (boo-yah e-lcd in my case)?

thanks

LED board, Semi ONLY board, I think around 70 bucks.

:)

[joshweinerhead]

im gonna get me a spyder now :D

[robdamanii]

Yeah, they make a hell of a backup marker with this board in 'em.

[agdemagman69]

This thing is a beast! I've gotten to shoot it as the projects progressed, and its unbelivably fast.

One of the players on our team may be getting a Q-loader, so we might be able to try it on your Spyder Nero.

I was also looking at those Halo mods that nippin posted, and i have an extra halo laying around, so expect to see something fun soon!

[baka]

wow..you could've annihilated a small village in no time!

[nicad]

nice footage.. good to see Cool edit being used too.. its my tool of choice here, I actually bought CoolEdit back in 97 i think it was.. :) too bad the registration didnt carry over to Adobe. blah.

ACE seems to slow things down quite a bit. I tested an ACE Race'd angel and it ran in the 17-18 BPS (halo B). With the ACE disabled, it could run a strong 20 BPS!

about the only thing that makes sence here is to move the ACE position higher.. with ACE it should AT LEAST match the BPS than when its disabled. go figure...

out!

[Kaiser Bob]

i agree with nicad, optimally the ace should detect the ball a fair amt of time before its fully in the breach to give the gun some lead time

[f3rr3+]

cool, finnally tourney paintball is being made easier to afford for those with money limiting issues.


a step in the right directon, good job bro

[Skreemer]

Originally posted by f3rr3+
cool, finnally tourney paintball is being made easier to afford for those with money limiting issues.


a step in the right directon, good job bro

Cheaper!!?? you relize the sheer volume of paint I've used in that thing "testing" it?

[f3rr3+]

but it is still cheaper? no?

:rolleyes:

[nicad]

How would you compare this overall setup-- performance, price, etc.. to that of say a Dragun TES?

[Wes Janson]

I hate to break up the party, but weren't we all just talking about the dangers of the rof arms race? And now we're all oogling the latest mod chip? How quickly we forget..