Bad Company?

[felony]

Hey guys.. just got this idea from another post I was just reading a few minutes ago. It was on the topic of who you would pick up for a new team

a awesome front player that played with a pump, that knew how to comunicate and get the job done ..

or a not so good player that had all the bells and whistles, and looked good.

Anyway, this is what brings me to the team Bad Company. I followed tourny paintball a bit more the past few years rather then current news, but I definatly know Bad Company was a good team. I watched them beat up on Strange at Cup 2002 ( I believe) and have seen or heard about them do plenty of other things, ALL WITH SPYDERS.

I dont know what is special about their markers, but if they are just upgraded spyders... makes you wanna think why you speed x-amount of cash on a fantastic marker that is so light, so quick, and so everything, when these guys could probably not only beat you with a spyder, but make you look bad too.

Im not saying spyders are bad in the first place, im just wondering what makes me and what makes us buy all this expensive junk when it could be done with a spyder of all markers.

LMK what you think
dan

[MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata]

Because those spyders have so much put into them they probably still cost like 600 dollars, plus the time to tune them. And the other reason is good guns make egos bigger.

[Torbo]

1. bragging rights
2. every little advantage helps
3. Theyre fun! shooting an eblade or timmy or something is simply more fun than shooting a spyder.

[Lohman446]

Example:

I am certain, if I call AGD and order an X it will be measured, tolerances checked, and set to their standards (I am also certain BCs SPyders are)

I am not so sure of this if I pick up a Spyder, a well tuned, tight tolerance Spyder is a wonderful tournament marker.. in fact there called timmies.

Runs to hide behind the flame proof wall, knowing he was wrong, well maybe cause he knows absolutelty nothing about stacked tube electros, but it sounded funny.

[sneakyhacker420]

they play with spyders because kingman pays them to

its like a moving billboard for Kingman USA and their wonderful spyders... :o

[graysonp]

Actually, I'm pretty sure that BC doesn't have anything on their guns that you couldn't go out and buy yourself. It's just a stock AMG with a reg, barrel kit, etc. Maybe a new board, but that's about it.

So why do we spend so much money? Preference. You pay extra for the gun that just feels better in your hands.

[felony]

I would agree that there are hundreds of dollars put into them.

I would agree they MAY be checked over a bit more..

and I would agree that timmies are just fine tuned spyders ( or so i have heard)


but the fact still stands, bad company is good with spyders.

Whats keeping me from selling my $800 emag for a $300 BKO, spending a hundred or so on a new reg and spend the rest on paint for a year :]

just a thought..

either way, would like to hear your input..

dan

[No sKiLLz]

You need to watch Bad Company a little more closely. They cheat like no other.

[sneakyhacker420]

as far as getting a BKO goes felony... lets just say that they have 'software issues'

almost every bushmaster, especialyl BKO's have extremely horrible trigger bounce which is a pain in the arse to avoid, and in doing so to eliminate it, you make the trigger pull a mile long

oh yeah... the board is capped to 10-11 bps :rolleyes:

[felony]

OK.. they cheat? I have seen plenty of other teams cheat. That doesnt really get me, and I havent heard anything like "bad company are the biggest cheaters on the block" Maybe I am wrong.

Even if they play with spyders because they are paid to, they still own up on some other people playing with much better markers (or so called better markers)

dan

[tony3]

ACTUALLY, BC spyders are very very stock, they have a new barrel, a nice nitro tank, and some trigger adjustments and maybe a new board, otherwise they are completely stock. The only team on the pro-curcit with guns that don't have ace.

[tyrion2323]

Originally posted by MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata
Because those spyders have so much put into them they probably still cost like 600 dollars, plus the time to tune them. And the other reason is good guns make egos bigger.

The Spyders are stock. They have small trigger adjustments, but that's it.

[felony]

Originally posted by sneakyhacker420
almost every bushmaster, especialyl BKO's have extremely horrible trigger bounce which is a pain in the arse to avoid..

every pro team will be itching to get one.. :eek:

hehe

[robdamanii]

The markers have a lightened switch, HPA tank, centerflag Doolie reg on the bottomline, a fast hopper, and the foregrip is bored out to make it a gasthrough.

That's all they've got in terms of ups on the markers.

[Kevmaster]

skill > marker

any day of the week

[Xyxyll]

The Spyders have nowhere near $600 in them.

[felony]

thats what i thought.

Based on all your responses, I give props to Bad Company.

Seriously makes me rethink me current setup.

I do know BKOs with a new chaos board and reg are nice as hell, maybe ill look into one..

anywho, thanks for input guys

dan

[islandboi]

600 dollars? in what? tank maybe 300? and thats something you'd get for every gun so that doesnt count. reg ok about 70 barrel kit 200 nothing really super special only thing is there's don't break and if they do they can get a new one or kingman can fix it fast

[can'tthink of1]

It all makes me think about selling my tribal and such. But then I seem to get "attached" to my markers so it would be hard to part with my tribal especially. Who knows...

[bratch]

I had a dream a while back I sold all my gear and picked-up an electro Piranaha and ripped arse.

If only the market wasn't horid I would consider it.

[argnot]

You play with what you like.

[Timmee]

Originally posted by sneakyhacker420
as far as getting a BKO goes felony... lets just say that they have 'software issues'

almost every bushmaster, especialyl BKO's have extremely horrible trigger bounce which is a pain in the arse to avoid, and in doing so to eliminate it, you make the trigger pull a mile long

oh yeah... the board is capped to 10-11 bps :rolleyes:

Funny, I have both a BKO and a BM2K, and neither had trigger bounce issues due to the software in them (although taking out the trigger return spring can cause it, as I found out one day). The only reason I upgraded to the chaos chip on both markers is because of the cap (although I hear the newer boards are capped at 20+ BPS).

[sneakyhacker420]

just about every single bushy at my field (BFG) has the bounce problems... and one has the new chaos chip... which is alot of fun in the chrono... can you say 20bps full auto :p :rolleyes:



as i said before, you play with what you are paid to play with

kingman - million dollar company - can afford to advertize with a team

[bryceeden]

Basically all pro teams cheat, Bad Company seems to cheat a little less than most, and their Spyders are nearly stock. I have noticed that most people just can't except that they have skill and can compete with Spyders.

[JEDI]

Originally posted by No sKiLLz
You need to watch Bad Company a little more closely. They cheat like no other.

Here here! I watched them this week end. Plus they switch out guns when ever they can.

*Edit - I reffed them this weekend.

[manike]

Originally posted by MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata
Because those spyders have so much put into them they probably still cost like 600 dollars, plus the time to tune them.

Not true. I've seen guys on BC pull new guns out of boxes, and go play with them.

[SlartyBartFast]

Originally posted by tony3
ACTUALLY, BC spyders are very very stock, they have a new barrel, a nice nitro tank, and some trigger adjustments and maybe a new board, otherwise they are completely stock. The only team on the pro-curcit with guns that don't have ace.

Hmm, there's stock and then there's STOCK.

First is consumer stock. Walk into a random store, pick a random box, make no changes.

Then there's STOCK, where you go to the factory, measure every single peice and build a machine with the best tolerances possible all from production stock parts.

[SyntaxError]

Originally posted by MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata
Because those spyders have so much put into them they probably still cost like 600 dollars, plus the time to tune them. And the other reason is good guns make egos bigger.

Um no,
we played BC all last sunday and their guns are pretty much stock, no crazy mods or anything that you guys would expect.

Great team, great guys, gave us an awesome practice

EDIT: and as for cheating, deal with it everyone cheats unfortunately so shoot em till they leave. BC plays straight up for a pro team, I've seen much worse.

[tony3]

While we are talking about good teams using blowbacks what about tippmann effect? I think they are the coolest looking team out there, uhh yeah. I'd take one of there tippmanns over a BC AMG

[felony]

tippmann effect is good too..

havent seen too much footage of em since the days of PigTv, but when i say em, they were impressive..

dan

[poolshark5226]

Tippmann Effect is indeed an awesome team. I played against a couple of the guys during open speedball at the IAO...visited the deadbox frequently

[Lohman446]

Originally posted by SlartyBartFast


Hmm, there's stock and then there's STOCK.

First is consumer stock. Walk into a random store, pick a random box, make no changes.

Then there's STOCK, where you go to the factory, measure every single peice and build a machine with the best tolerances possible all from production stock parts.

I have to agree, for instance, do you think the cars that places such as Road and Track get are not hand selected by the factory? Yes BC may use stock markers, but they are stock made (or at least selected) for BC - they are better than the average Spyder. Thats why I say, when I call AGD and order an X (yeh sure) I will get the same tolerances as Capo's X. Hence why I trust AGD just a bit more.

[sneakyhacker420]

no, that would be considered... SPAM! :eek:

[xXHavokXx]

Why doesnt Tippmann effect jump up to xball. I dont know it just seems like they spend more time in smaller tournies.

[TraXeR]

Anyone have any idea where I can find videos of them? i can't find any on FoN. I'd like to see these guys in action.

[SlartyBartFast]

But even if these teams use better than retail guns, it still goes to show you that the equipment can only take you so far.

Practice the skill instead of the hype and spyders, classic mags, standard cockers, tippmans, etc can be more than adequate.

[hobbesTZ]

It all makes me think about selling my tribal and such. But then I seem to get "attached" to my markers so it would be hard to part with my tribal especially. Who knows...


Say now, that's dangerous thinking. You'd best stick with your Tribal.


:)

[evan123]

Actually there setups just on there guns are worth something. All of them either have full freaks with SS backs or ultralights. The SS back full freak can be near 170, they also use a different spyder like ever week. Ummmmm, that can be hefty and plus they are switching to nexions which cost a lot more money then amgs plus there regs, and barrel it would cost over 600 new.

[LeatherPants]

I had a dream a while back I sold all my gear and picked-up an electro Piranaha and ripped arse.

If only the market wasn't horid I would consider it.

Funny thing is that the EVIL rep was at the shop I hang out pushing the new Piranaha w/ the eyes.

It's actually not that bad did you know that the newer Piranahas run UNDER 300psi. I would never have believed it if I didn't see it myself.

[Stix]

I was under the impression that BC were getting new guns that will be machined to much tighter tolerances, and that they will be fully electro-pneumatic instead of just being a sear tripper. I was told that these new guns were no joke by some people at my local paintball store... Described to me as basically another timmy. Don't flame me, that's just what I heard :)

[Thermus]

I have actually wondered that myself. It didn't take much think before I realized why people use 1400 dollar paintball guns. Paintball is half about looks and first reactions to how people play. Most people judge first skill by what equipment the person is using. Its easier to make initial jugdements good and keep them that way than it is to make bad judgements change into good ones. If your an amazing player, that shouldn't be very hard, but if you are average, having a nicer gun will put you about other average players.

Using better guns gives you somewhat of an edge, but as much as you'd like to deny it, the difference between 12 bps and 20 really isn't all that much. I can keep a lane at 12 bps the same as with a 20. It might actually be better to shoot slower so you wouldn't have to reload as much, you wouldn't waste as much paint, etc.

Thats just what I think anyway. Its more about status than the actually performance. If I had the money to spend on a sick gun and enough cash to play as much as the pros, I would definately go for the best, just cause there is no reason not to.

[can'tthink of1]

I can't believe I said I wanted to get rid of my tribal, wait, now I have to say my mephisto because I have another tribal coming. I think I was going through a phase where I wasn't really happy with my tribal. Though pimped spyders are always fun to build, but I'd just rather save up for a Dark Timmy. But then I notice that I want a bunch of markers, omen, viking, dark timmy, custom emag, illusion, and a pimped spyder. But I'll probly just be getting the illusion in the near future since I will need to start paying for gas and insurance on a car I'm getting, and so I won't have the money I usually do to play, so I will have to stick with a pump for some time.

[baka]

I was under the impression that BC were getting new guns that will be machined to much tighter tolerances, and that they will be fully electro-pneumatic instead of just being a sear tripper. I was told that these new guns were no joke by some people at my local paintball store... Described to me as basically another timmy. Don't flame me, that's just what I heard :)

Yeh, they will most likely be using the kingman Primal, its a e-pneumatic marker w. eyes, i think vision eyes, it hasn't been released yet.

there's also a System X NME coming out w/ was board and eyes in it stock and is a spyder clone that might be using a 4way noid, it also might have a hefty price tag.