ICD's New Gun (maybe)

[Angry Man]

http://darryl.rotorhead.org/images/freestyle.jpg

First pic of ICD's new gun. Belive it or not it's a blow forward and believe it or not it's actually uglier than an emag. Some sort of 4 way solenoid blow forward without a spring sounds like a spool valve but isn't.

Supposed to retail for 850-1000....seems too pricey especially considering how the frame looks.

Still, don't know if it's real.

[SuiciDal Sn Y p ER]

Originally posted by Angry Man
believe it or not it's actually uglier than an emag.

Are you implying something bad about the emag?

[Angry Man]

Not implying, stating it flat out: it was a pretty ugly gun. (Although the X-mag looks okay.) Also my friend's emag had a board that smoked sometimes.


Just my opinion, of course....

[spantol]

Wow. It's so ugly it's pretty. Can't wait to see how it performs.

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

I'd love to know exactly how this thing works...

[RT pRo AuToMaG]

ouch, that is one of the uglier guns i have seen. Hopefully its performance will make up for its fuglyness.

[elpimpo]

kinda resembles the dm fizzle

[WARPED1]

See, ICD was smart enough to sign out of court with SP............

[elpimpo]

actually it really looks like the dm fizzle

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

Looks like an angel-style bolt hatch, stacked tube, LPR or volumizer... interesting

[LeatherPants]

WOW so that's what happends when a DM4 mates with a Spyder.

[WARPED1]

Originally posted by LeatherPants
WOW so that's what happends when a DM4 mates with a Spyder. ROTFLMAO!

[RRfireblade]

I vote Photochopped.

[WARPED1]

Originally posted by RRfireblade
I vote Photochopped. Why? Looks real to me.......but I'm old:p .

[RRfireblade]

I don't know.

Looks all fuzzy and distorted w/ some spots more fuzzy than others and some pretty clear. Either No or a very weird looking background.

Just a guess.

:)

[LeatherPants]

I'm telling you. It's one of those picture booths that are at bars that you and your GF take pics and it shows what your kid would look like.

So a DM4 and a Spyder walk in to this bar..............

[LaW]

Well the photo has definately been edited, the background was taken out (poorly i might add) because you can see where they traced around the outside of the marker. As for the marker being photochopped... looks like a bunch of parts thrown together, it was definately edited but not sure if it was just completely thrown together or the person who edited the photo just sucks and did some things with the color and crap.

[vf-xx]

I vote Photochoped.

That feed neck area is screaming Timmee at me.

[LaW]

Originally posted by vf-xx
I vote Photochoped.

That feed neck area is screaming Timmee at me.


Yeah most likely, I could have went either way but if you really look at it you can see the blending the person tried to do
...

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

Over on PBN, I saw pics of a metal frame looking like this, I think something like this exists, it may have just been photoshopped to show what it will look like assembled.

[Jack & Coke]

Originally posted by RT pRo AuToMaG
ouch, that is one of the uglier guns i have seen. Hopefully its performance will make up for its fuglyness.

Even uglier and fuglier than this?

http://www.alienpb.com/

http://www.alienpb.com/media/red-gun-anim2.gif

:eek:

[DK1]

no, it's real. I was there when it was let out by GregICD via chat. The original background was SO hideous... it made the gun look awful. So, sombody took out the rainbow background, and they did the best they could...

I think it looks ok.. it'll get better as time wears on it...

DK1

[personman]

Well, I'm glad that some companies are taking a hint and realising that blow forward is the way to go :p
The gun is pretty ugly, but knowing ICD, it will be quality.

[hAppy]

ugh wtf thats a hideous gun
maybe icd should go ahead and wait a little more before making their new gun.... give them some time to touch things up...

emags no is ugly :(

[-=Squid=-]

I think its one of those things, that when you realize how well it performs it will seem good looking to you. Take a noob, and let him choose a spyder flash or a viking... he will say the flash is prettier... I wouldnt of course. Reason being is because I know more about each marker. Get what im saying?

[fallout11]

You have to think that having this already in development/early pre-production was a driving factor in ICD electing to settle with Smart Parts.
Imagine the money they already had sunk into it, R&D, tooling costs, etc.
Smart Parts hit them at a critical time, product wise. They had to pay, or just flush the new marker and all the resources they'd already put into it down the toliet.

Now we know why the BKO recently dropped in price....planned obscelence.

[manike]

It's definitely not photochopped. That's just how it looks.

[LaW]

Originally posted by manike
It's definitely not photochopped. That's just how it looks.

The only part that I thought might have been chopped was the front area by the feed tube because it looks like it had been blended in to the other parts of the marker. But I guess I would have to see a better picture of it to form an opinion of how it looks ;)

[Beemer]

Originally posted by WARPED1
See, ICD was smart enough to sign out of court with SP............

Another brilliant post

Smart enough......thats a matter of perception

[WARPED1]

Did Beemer have another insulting comment for me? When is he going to realize that I'm entitled to my opinion and thanks to the first ammendment of the constitution am entitled to print it?
I told him to put me on his ignore list, hell, he's on mine!

[fallout11]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Now you boys go play nice.

[Automaggin2]

It looks like a cross between a DM4, Spyder, and timmy

[Timmee]

Originally posted by vf-xx
I vote Photochoped.

That feed neck area is screaming Timmee at me.

It screams my name? Cool, now I'm gonna have to get one. :D

BTW, I don't think it looks too bad.

[wobbles82]

Hrm..front lpr..mounted on a block that holds a regulator..body with eye covers that go over the frame..and the frame that has a rounded..almost clamlike design..blowforward..ok, sounds sorta like a Timmy, :D . ICD always does have a nifty way of making things though, I dont doubt this marker it just..looks horrible. Although..I think the DM4 has grown on people, sadly. I guess were all going to be shooting guns from Star Wars, hopefully not. :(

[billmi]

The module on the top rear definitely reminds me of the way the reg assembly locks in to ICD's previous blow-forward semi, the Desert Fox.

[Smoke]

Photochopped, definatly. A rather poor job too, the feed neck area is a give away.

[manike]

Originally posted by automagfreek
Photochopped, definatly. A rather poor job too, the feed neck area is a give away.

It is NOT photochopped. *he says looking at one on the desk next to him*.

It does work like an electronic version of the Desert Fox.

[68magOwner]

it is very ugly, yes, uglier than the alien, anyway, the top looks almost DM4-ish

[WARPED1]

Originally posted by manike


It is NOT photochopped. *he says looking at one on the desk next to him*.

It does work like an electronic version of the Desert Fox. I'd trust Simon............

[OysterBoy]

wow, so few people know how to find image sources...lol

http://darryl.rotorhead.org

goto the very bottom, youl note 2 frame pictures.

Photochopped?

No

[LaW]

It has been edited, but obviously is a real marker... the photo is just really grainy

[tony3]

It has potential to look like a great gun, but some things must go. The feedneck makes it look like some cheap low cost gun, we don't need the little support wings....Also, the eyecover doesnt't need to be a big production, just make a small little piece coming out of the frame to contain it. Otherwise I like it.

[DK1]

Originally posted by manike


It is NOT photochopped. *he says looking at one on the desk next to him*.

It does work like an electronic version of the Desert Fox.

Would you mind giving us a little info? I'm considering going with this thing, but I'd sure appreciate an appraisal from you if you're allowed... ;) My main concern right now is efficiency... I know ICD well enough to know that speed isn't going to be a problem. It's obviously fairly compact, probably light enough... but spools and blowforwards done wrong always have abominable gas mileage.

DK1

[lord1234]

does this remind anyone else of a DM4?

[Sparks]

With a hopper and tank on it, it might look pretty decent. I've grown rather fond of it, actually. I'm out of the electro world, but if i could ever justify putting that much money into equipment again i'd definitely consider it.

[WARPED1]

I've never been fond of ICD gun's(by looks alone mind you), this one includes.

[funkykarl]

Looks to me like a mix between a DM4 and a timmy... stole the awkward length from a timmy and the ugly from a DM4. This is why Smart-Parts is going around suing people... to get rid of all the suck, not to get rid of all the competition. I guess in that way they really ARE like Nazis, except in this case the 'Jews' actually suck. (btw... I am in fact joking).

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

So the back looks like the old Desert Fox or whatever so the airflow is most likely identical to that of a mag but how does the 3-way power it? If it moves the bolt forward and back, wouldn't that make it a Matrix copy being referred to as a blow forward, or perhaps fired forward like a mag by the same gas that's used to fire, and return by a 3-way that pushes it back?

[FutureMagOwner]

hmmm i dont think it looks that bad they could use a better looking lpr and grips. its almost got an kinda egyptian look kinda deal going to it with that bottem squarish arc thingy the lpr or whatever it is definantly doesnt fit with it (and i think they could use a better feed tube) but manike get a chance to shoot it how is it? (wanna send it to me? ;) :D )

[WARPED1]

Originally posted by funkykarl
Looks to me like a mix between a DM4 and a timmy... stole the awkward length from a timmy and the ugly from a DM4. This is why Smart-Parts is going around suing people... to get rid of all the suck, not to get rid of all the competition. I guess in that way they really ARE like Nazis, except in this case the 'Jews' actually suck. (btw... I am in fact joking). ICD signed with SP and can continue to produce Bushies. DYE can produce Matrices', and NPS can produce thier Intimidators.

[Octavian]

i saw one in action at a local field...it ripps, is mega quiet and is very light..... should be interesting to c when it is finally released, how it affects the pro circuit...

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

So Octavian, is it really dual tube style or is it single tube with a row of electronics and the 3-way making up the bottom column? Did you get to see the bolt? is it angel style or is the latch just angel-style and the air comes from behind like a Mag?

[funkykarl]

Originally posted by WARPED1
ICD signed with SP and can continue to produce Bushies. DYE can produce Matrices', and NPS can produce thier Intimidators.

Yeah, I'm aware of the settlement that was made, it was just the first thing that came to my head when I looked at the gun after reading all the stuff about SP lately. I'm sure it's a good quality marker, but ICD was much better off with the looks they were going for with the 03 and 04's.

[WARPED1]

I want to try it or see it in action at least.

[Grasshopper]

Doesn't look TOO ugly to me.

...something needs to change with the gripframe, though.

[50 cal]

If there were only this new ICD gun and pumps anymore, I would definately play with my Phantom over that uuuugly thing.

[robdamanii]

Ugly, with a capital U.

[Ov3rmind]

I think it looks insanely ugly; but after reading how it works on PBN, I think this gun has loads of potential.

[warpedside671]

whoa that marker looks like a hacked up angel and timmy put together, a mini version .

I'd like to see how it rips .

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by WARPED1
See, ICD was smart enough to sign out of court with SP............

And then produce a marker that looks like it is a prop from Star Trek, TNG?:rolleyes:

[Meph]

Heh, figure AO would be more talking about performance. Guess all anybody even here cares about is the looks!

Score Tom 1!


Okay to actually add something useful to this besides the photoshop debate.



Blow forward design. (just like a Desert Fox.)
air recocks marker, not spring.
Smaller and lighter then current ICD lineup.
Comes with a drop forward and On/off.
Standard with PDS.
Fade colors.
(MSRP) $1050.00 Starting.
Clamshell grip.
Rear mounted on/off LED Switches
Green for Power
Red for PDS
easily outshoots a Bushy!
Cocker threaded barrell
Clamping feedneck
Microswitch mounted with Screws (NO pushpins!)
four-way adjustable Trigger
Easy field stripping
New style rebuildable balldetent system.(no orings, cleans easily, stiffer to reduce double feeding)
3D milling
well balanced feel.
Shoots lighting fast!!!!
operating pressure is 260psi

And here's the original picture before they did photoshop it, due to the rainbow behind it!

http://www.icdpaintball.com/uploads/fsweb.jpg

http://www.icdpaintball.com/uploads/fsonoff.jpg

[FutureMagOwner]

well theres not much else we can comment about it when there isnt any out there being reviewed by people like bill mills or accual players so i dont think thats a very fair analysis ;)

[QUINCYMASSGUY]

I've been dying to see a schematic of this thing, where the bolt goes and is held down, where the airflow goes, etc. I am very interested in the performance.

[WARPED1]

Originally posted by 1stdeadeye


And then produce a marker that looks like it is a prop from Star Trek, TNG?:rolleyes: Unfortunatly, thats the direction pb is taking. Look at the butt ugly DM4...........

[Angry Man]

The one thing that worries me is the fact that it does come with a drop forward and on/off.

It's nice that it does, but the fact is that the gun really needs a drop forward, whereas most well-balanced guns don't. The feedneck is too far forward and the grip is too far back.

Space framed angles and the newer intimidators (finally) have grips far enough forward to balance without needing a drop forward.

[Kaiser Bob]

I think the thing looks neat, it is DM4 meets Timmy plus a little bit Laser Tag gun... id buy one.

[1stdeadeye]

Again, it looks like a Klingon Pistol from Star Trek: TNG!

I wouldn't buy one and I buy almost everything, er anything!;)