Pumps

[soccer4minimags]

Can any of you pump players/owners point me towards some pump sites. Where is the best place to get your pump/stock class gear.
Some phantom specific Q's too (all stock of course): The pump stroke, whats it compare to. Short, long? The trigger pull, what semi does it compare closest to.
Thanks for the input

[Meph]

http://www.munkies.net/ppig/

www.StockClassPaintball.com

www.ActionMarkers.com (Illusion Manufacturer)

www.PhantomOnline.com (CCI Manufacturer)

[Spaceman613]

www.bunkerboyz.com great prices and service.

siegecraft paintball is very good as well.

[soccer4minimags]

Thanks for the replys. I've been to the phantom site and the am site. I'm really interested in these illusion pumps. I'm going to have to look in to them some more. Anybody ever used on of these.

[Prezents]

I own an Illusion and Love it. I love the smoooooth action of the pump.
http://lewistown.net/~prezents/markers/Illustion1.jpg

[Tyger]

YEAH! What they said!

Illusion pumps are pretty good, they were obviously made to integrate a lot of aftermarket stuff. Illlusion's down side is that they have no autotrigger. But I like that they convert from SC to D/F so fast. I look at the Phantom as a machine. I've been using mine for... wow... 6 years? Still scares the locals. :P

-Tyger

[soccer4minimags]

With the phantoms do you have any trouble using constant air co2 tanks? Whats the biggest size you can run without trouble. In back bottle or the under the grip. Is it possible to run a 12 or 16 oz tank.

EDIT, don't mean to sound like an idiot, but whats D/F? I've seen it mentioned a few times with no definition. Is it running with a constant air tank and not using 12 grams.

[Tyger]

D/F : Direct feed body. SC is Stock Class.

As far as air goes, you can run anysize bottle on it. Here's my rig in it's various incarnations :

http://www.tyger.us/paintball/Tigers/GunFi03.jpg
That is Stock Class w/ Micro CA

http://www.tyger.us/paintball/photo/sky04/Tyger2.JPG
This is center feed (Direct feed, or DF), LAPCO bigshot, 4500 nitro bottle and VL2000 on top

-Tyger

[DukeNukem#1]

Originally posted by Tyger
D/F : Direct feed body. SC is Stock Class.

As far as air goes, you can run anysize bottle on it. Here's my rig in it's various incarnations :

http://www.tyger.us/paintball/Tigers/GunFi03.jpg
That is Stock Class w/ Micro CA

http://www.tyger.us/paintball/photo/sky04/Tyger2.JPG
This is center feed (Direct feed, or DF), LAPCO bigshot, 4500 nitro bottle and VL2000 on top

-Tyger hahahaha - you look like an alien, I should shoot you with my pump Ion-ray! :D

[mjs1217]

Haha Tyger, I like the newbie scope.
http://www.imageshack.us/img1/2593/GunFi03.jpg

And your motorized, camo-covered hopper thats on a pump gun while playing inside, heh.

No offense man, it's all in fun.

[SuiciDal Sn Y p ER]

you think that's strange? wait till you see mine

[Sparq]

Originally posted by mjs1217
Haha Tyger, I like the newbie scope.

That's not a scope. You want a 'newbie scope'?!
http://www3.sympatico.ca/reids/phantomScoped.jpg
A few more...options....
http://www3.sympatico.ca/reids/myPhantom1.jpg
This Crosman red dot is a total piece of junk...
http://www3.sympatico.ca/reids/phantomHPA.jpg
And I reaallllly don't suggest running your air like this...
http://www3.sympatico.ca/reids/phantomVertHPA.jpg

As it stands now, I run a vertical 3.5oz CO2 and vertical feed body....I'll probably still use the 15rd stock feed for airball. No, I never played with the HPA vertical like that - Last I heard CCI recommended using no tank larger than 7oz on the vert ASA due to stress issues on the trigger guard. I also never used the scope - it's off my air rifle. I did, however, play with the bottomline HPA...balance was bad, but it was that or 12 grams at the time. Trying to get an Armson OEG to replace the horrendous Crosman P.O.S.

[mjs1217]

ooooh.... Nice gun man. I love phantoms, but no money to buy one with :(

[soccer4minimags]

Sparq, nice set up. I'm sending you a PM.

[Tyger]

Originally posted by mjs1217
Haha Tyger, I like the newbie scope.

And your motorized, camo-covered hopper thats on a pump gun while playing inside, heh.

No offense man, it's all in fun.

I actually use the site playing stock. I love the snaphot.

And that revy is the only thing short of a halo is the only thing that keeps up with me, AND fits on that gun...

Besides, it's camo. You won't see my hopper. :)

-Tyger

[Jig]

hey Tyger a quick question here: how do you like the Nexxed pants? any pockets that are perfect for used 10 round cigar tubes? annnnd what size would you suggest for someone about 5 foot 5 inches? i've heard the sizes run really baggy(which i dont mind) but i've never quite recieved a straight answer about the sizes.

Sparq i saw that Phantom at the PHOG a long time ago and its still among the top 5 in my book of most attractive annoes:D .

thanks

[Tyger]

Originally posted by Jig
hey Tyger a quick question here: how do you like the Nexxed pants? any pockets that are perfect for used 10 round cigar tubes? annnnd what size would you suggest for someone about 5 foot 5 inches?

I like 'em still. They're not sponsoring the show, but I'll still be using mine. They're probably the most durale pants I've ever used for paintball, next to the Animal pants. Nexed has the advantage of being cooler in summer.

They don't really hold 10 round tubes that well, unfortunately. And buy 'em for yor waist size, the length is MORE than ample.

-Tyger

[Sparq]

Originally posted by Jig
Sparq i saw that Phantom at the PHOG a long time ago and its still among the top 5 in my book of most attractive annoes:D

Thanks Jig!


Here's a picture of my current setup, as promised. I really n eed to get that tank annodized.
http://www3.sympatico.ca/reids/zeus2.jpg

[soccer4minimags]

Couple more questions for you phantom owners. What problems do you guys have with teh stock class feeds. Basically what i'm getting at is do you have feed problems. How is the ball chambered, is it closed bolt. Is it possible for you to chamber a ball and then say you run, can you count on the ball to still be in the breech when you get there, or does it bounce out and you fire a blank shot.
How much do you really have to do what they call rock and cock. I've played with pumps but never with a stock class feed like that. Do you tilt it forwards or backwards. Doesn't that mess up you aim (you'd have to readjust from where you just took that shot from). Or is it not that extreme of a movement and just a slight tilting of a gun.
Thanks for you phantom owners out there for helping me in my decision.

[Spaceman613]

Basically what i'm getting at is do you have feed problems.

Nope, no problems

How is the ball chambered, is it closed bolt.

It's closed bolt, you slightly rock the gun forward a couple degrees (not much, but more when the 15 round tube is closer to empty.

Is it possible for you to chamber a ball and then say you run, can you count on the ball to still be in the breech when you get there, or does it bounce out and you fire a blank shot.

Good paint to barrel match prevents rollout, like on a cocker.

How much do you really have to do what they call rock and cock.

See above, not much, but more when close to empty.

I've played with pumps but never with a stock class feed like that. Do you tilt it forwards or backwards.

Tilt it so the barrel is slightly lower.

Doesn't that mess up you aim (you'd have to readjust from where you just took that shot from).

Not that I notice.


Or is it not that extreme of a movement and just a slight tilting of a gun.

Yep, thats what it is

Thanks for you phantom owners out there for helping me in my decision.

No problem, us pumpers tend to be helpful (with a few exceptions).

[Tyger]

Lotta questions there :

With the exception of the 'Mag pump, Splatmaster and GZ family, all pumps are closed bolt.

If the paint is too small for the barrel, it will roll out. If ou have a good barrel match, however, it won't. And before oyu ask, Lapco, J&J, and Palmers makes Phantom barrels in tiny sizes (PPS makes one wit "Crimps" that hold theball)

You do have to "Rock n Cock", the Phantom tilts forward. Yo get used to it really fast.

As far as the aiming goes, that's part of the point. You need to learn to aim, and aim fast. That's why I have a dog sight on mine. I like having a second opinion before I shoot.

-Tyger

[soccer4minimags]

yeah sorry for that post being a little messy.

I'm not to worried about the paint size and paint rolling out of the breech( I've dealt with cockers for a long time). Have any of you used those detent rings that are on the first page of the phantom site. Wouldn't that prevent forward roll out.

I guess from how you answered it the phantom is closed bolt, so I wouldn't have to worry about the round that is chambered bounceing back up into the stock feed tube right.

thanks for the replys.

[Spaceman613]

detent rings are a help, but a barrel kit is much better.

but, for a budget, the rings will work fine.

[soccer4minimags]

Here is basically what I'm looking at:

--VSC 2011-V-45-22 (still deciding on color)
--All clear parts
--2 barrels, the one it comes with, 11" (or maybe I'll upgrade to 14") plus and 8" one.
--A center feed breech (allows me to use a hopper)

Any recommendations. I will get all this stuff at once so the annodizing will be consistent for all the pieces.

Which phantom barrels do you all own? (stock ones)

[Tyger]

Not a bd Phantom selection. If you can, find some "Nelson springs" so you can adjust the velocity easily. My tock Phantom barrels are 14, which came with the gun, and 8 inch. I find that the 8 incher is great too. I'm using LAPCO's stuff now, which means I can shoot TINY paint, finally.

CCI's stock barrels are good tho, surprisingly. They'e a larger bore, but they're REALLY good.

As far as color... Hey, that's your choice. :)

-Tyger

[tasker89]

I have always leaned towards the Benjamin-Sheridan valved guns (i.e. Enforcer, Sniper, KP3, Palmer, etc.) BTW...anybody know a good online resource for hunting down pumpgun parts?

[soccer4minimags]

How much modifying do you have to do to get stickies to fit the stock 45 grips on a phantom? On bunkerboyz it says "modified dye stickie grips". Is it not a standard 45 frame?

[Chris42050]

Originally posted by Tyger
YEAH! What they said!

Illusion pumps are pretty good, they were obviously made to integrate a lot of aftermarket stuff. Illlusion's down side is that they have no autotrigger. But I like that they convert from SC to D/F so fast. I look at the Phantom as a machine. I've been using mine for... wow... 6 years? Still scares the locals. :P

-Tyger

Ive used just about every class of paintball gun and never needed to autofire with a pump. I think it is worthless. If you try to autofire your aim is so horrbile it does you absolutly no good.

[SuiciDal Sn Y p ER]

Originally posted by soccer4minimags
How much modifying do you have to do to get stickies to fit the stock 45 grips on a phantom? On bunkerboyz it says "modified dye stickie grips". Is it not a standard 45 frame?

it shouldnt be too hard. just screw a screw right into the grip and cut off the excess stuff

[soccer4minimags]

Yeah thats what it looked like to me in the pic. Wasn't sure though.

[tasker89]

Originally posted by Chris42050


Ive used just about every class of paintball gun and never needed to autofire with a pump. I think it is worthless. If you try to autofire your aim is so horrbile it does you absolutly no good.

You must have never seen Marty Bush of the Ironmen pounding out paint with his old Sniper back in the day. :p

[misfit]

phantoms are light!http://www.teamviolator.com/forums/album_pic.php?pic_id=39
http://www.teamviolator.com/forums/album_pic.php?pic_id=34

[soccer4minimags]

hey misfit, what sort of bottle set-up do you have on that phantom?

[Brophog]

Is it just me that finds it ironic to see you use a stock class setup with a 4 pod harness?

[SuiciDal Sn Y p ER]

yea i noticed that also

[SuiciDal Sn Y p ER]

i'll just take this great opportunity to show off my ridiculously upgraded ranger

http://jayloo.com/lib/get_file.php?id=1587
http://jayloo.com/lib/get_file.php?id=1588
http://jayloo.com/lib/get_file.php?id=1594

[paint magnet]

Phantoms rock. (Assuming you prefer Nelson based guns. Personally, I favor Sheridan based but the Phantom is one of the few Nelson based designs I like)

I had sticky grips on mine with no problems, although the Hogue grips that came on it were just as comfortable. I like the .45 frame a lot better than the M-16 style one.

BTW, Suicidal Snyper, your Ranger is awesome! I love the flashlight "mount" :p

[SuiciDal Sn Y p ER]

hey as long as the "mount" works i'm using it :)

[D-CeLL]

My ARMSON with a big *** point dot sight :D







http://www.killianshouse.com/zX/armson.jpg

[Cort95]

Sparq you have to tell me where you got that tank!!!

[Sparq]

gto-paintball.com around New Years.

Since I got it, they have revamped their website....3.5oz isn't on there any more, so maybe they ran out.

[Cort95]

Nooo! :) Oh well, thanks for the reply. Nice buncha pumps here, I'll try to post my Phantom Micro VSC.

[sime]

gto is out, i'm waiting on one myself. i love those 3.5's just soooo expensive for what they are!

[misfit]

hey misfit, what sort of bottle set-up do you have on that phantom?

http://www.automags.org/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=744124
of course.
http://www.automags.org/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=744114

[paint magnet]

Originally posted by sime
gto is out, i'm waiting on one myself. i love those 3.5's just soooo expensive for what they are!

Brass Eagle 3.5 ouncers can be had for relatively cheap, I think Wal-Mart used to carry them as part of a kit to convert the Talon to constant air...they are chromoly though so it's not going to be as light as aluminum.

[soccer4minimags]

I have one of those tanks. Its 4 or 4.5 oz. It did come in a kit to convert a talon from 12g to C/A. I think the kits used to cost more than the talons. I got a marked down one a long time ago.

I actually use to use it vertical bottle on my old mag set up. It was good enough to shoot 2 hoppers and then some off of a fill.

[sime]

yup, the BE is a 4oz. and while small, they're also heavy. as heavy as a full 9oz. the 3.5's are AL, anno'able light and small. i have both, and the extra cost to a 3.5 is worth it to me.....

[soccer4minimags]

Just got a pump kit. Got a Q.

I just got a new chipley pump kit straigt from chipley's. It was in the box no instructions (its simple). But I am hung up on this one o-ring. Its a little larger than the a typical front block o-ring, (which it has). This one is black, thinner than the front block o-ring, and a litle larger.

I really want to use this tomorrow and won't be able to call the factory till monday, so any quick replys would be great.