MY gun isn't as HEAVY as yours!

[Person]

So many people around these forums seem to be interested in the minute weight loss of like .1 gram off of their marker when everyone seems to be overlooking the fact that they all strap on their compressed air tank weighing like 6 lbs, cmon guys...stainless owns :p

[cdawg]

You're right!

[cdawg]

Dude, you're really right!

[abrewin450]

That is the most completely correct statement I've ever heard!!

[cdawg]

Let's make markers out of lead blocks!

[Bulldog]

My whole setup weighs 5 or 6lbs with paint, have fun lugging around your SS.:)

[Person]

My mag weighed 6 or 7, it cost me one body one x valve and maybe one 60 dollar body rail less then yours too. *shrug*

and im not trying to be rediculous -CDAWG- just logical.

[abrewin450]

I can curl 180 pounds.(just maxed last week:)) and I can shoulder press like 210.So my gun weight doesnt really affect me.But not everyone is as Ginormous and I am.

[Person]

Im just trying to say stainless steel is a feature of the automag, and 1 lb or so isnt much of a difference at all. So why waste money.

[No sKiLLz]

Originally posted by abrewin450
I can curl 180 pounds.(just maxed last week:)) and I can shoulder press like 210.So my gun weight doesnt really affect me.But not everyone is as Ginormous and I am.
All I hear is "Bigger Target".

[Bulldog]

I wasn't talking about my xmag, that's probably around 7. It's just that most people way underestimate the weight of there gun.

Do the math

Average light weight gun 2.5lbs
Lightest tank on the market 2.5lbs (45/45)
Halo with paint 2.5lbs (I think?:confused: )

Just approximates

Aw well, point is most setups are pobaly 8 or 9 pounds, including your mag if you had a larger tank. So many variables tho.

[abrewin450]

As long as there is a bunker for me to hide behind I seriously doubt my size matters. It might affect might have some consequences when I'm running to a bunker but it hasn't affected me yet since I know how run low and fast and all the other stuff that smart paintball players know how to do.

[cdawg]

abrewin450 can run the 40 in 4.3 flat. That's with a full set of pods and his marker. And a Halo B.

[Person]

Bulldog - What marker were you talking about.

[Bulldog]

Shocktech bushmaster. My backup.

[Person]

Those are awsome looking guns, if i had 10,000 dollars to buy only paintball stuff, id have one of those for sure :D How much lighter is it then an all aluminum mag?

[abrewin450]

woot. own him person

[Bulldog]

I'm not really sure, it's one of a handfull of guns that weigh under 2 Lbs. An all ule mechanical mag would probably be under 2 also. Gonna pick one of those up soon. I'll have to put them all on a scale and take some pics.

Edit: and they're actually not that expensive right now, call up shocktech for actual pricing.

[No sKiLLz]

Originally posted by abrewin450
As long as there is a bunker for me to hide behind I seriously doubt my size matters. It might affect might have some consequences when I'm running to a bunker but it hasn't affected me yet since I know how run low and fast and all the other stuff that smart paintball players know how to do.

Do back players not lane out in Texas?

[Person]

Ive always really liked the solid feel of the mags ive owned, it would feel like im going to break a gun that weighs too little, but the tank would kinda even it out.

[abrewin450]

Well actually guys im really in seventh grade, but I do believe in my statement that size is a little factor in paintball given that they are a back player who hides behind rather large bunkers. And I dont see how shooting the lanes ( if that is what you meant by laneing out) could make a larger person an easier target. Could you please explain your reasoning?

[baka]

Originally posted by cdawg
abrewin450 can run the 40 in 4.3 flat. That's with a full set of pods and his marker. And a Halo B.

Now way thats fast as shizzal. I can run a 40 in like 4.8 w/ all that stuff, and i'm tall and lanky so thats fast for my people. Are you a short guy?

[Bulldog]

Originally posted by Person
Ive always really liked the solid feel of the mags ive owned, it would feel like im going to break a gun that weighs too little, but the tank would kinda even it out. A lot of people say that. Just different strokes...I'm a pretty lazy guy, so I like light weight guns, but to me it only makes sense if you're gonna put lightweight suff on them, ie small tanks, etc. lighter batteries, and so on.

[Person]

Originally posted by Bulldog
A lot of people say that. Just different strokes...I'm a pretty lazy guy, so I like light weight guns, but to me it only makes sense if you're gonna put lightweight suff on them, ie small tanks, etc. lighter batteries, and so on.

Make one of these guns that runs on co2 and then you will have a light marker. I use a 48/3k centerflag tank and i dont like how it feels, im getting anti siphon for my co2 tanks and im going to use them, im using a palmer blazer with female stab atm so its not really a problem. Blazers arent the lightest guns because of all the brass they are made out of but i dont really like the extra weight of a compressed air tank when i feel i dont really need it.

[abrewin450]

Im sooo freaking short:mad:

[Bulldog]

Aren't those tanks made out of steel?

The 48/3k centerflag tank I mean.

[Person]

Originally posted by baka


Now way thats fast as shizzal. I can run a 40 in like 4.8 w/ all that stuff, and i'm tall and lanky so thats fast for my people. Are you a short guy?

If he actually runs to the 40 yard line in 4.3 seconds thats running 10 yards in just barely over one second....i duno im smelling some bs here.

[cdawg]

Person... can you explain that math?

[Person]

Originally posted by Bulldog
Aren't those tanks made out of steel?

No its aluminum, and so are the co2 tanks i have. It weighs at least 3 lbs prolly more, i think you underweigh 45/45 tanks because they weigh more then a 48/3000 even though they are fiber wrapped the extra pressure they carry makes them need to be beefier.

[abrewin450]

Dudes I have THREE LEGS!! That means I can run 33.33333% faster than the average human.

[Person]

Originally posted by cdawg
Person... can you explain that math?

40 yards, 4.3 seconds ..... 1 second 10 yard line 2 second 20 yard line 3 second 30 yard line 4 second 40 yard line... toss the point 3 im missing in there. thats too fast.

[Bulldog]

My crossfire 45/45 is 2.4 lbs
My Mac Dev Conquest 45/45 is 2.5 lbs.

I'm positive on the weight too.

[Person]

Allright. Whats a 12 oz co2 tank weigh?

[cdawg]

Originally posted by abrewin450
Dudes I have THREE LEGS!! That means I can run 33.33333% faster than the average human.

He has three legs you ignoramus.

[Person]

I missed that post, my mistake.

[baka]

Dude we all have three legs, unless your a women.

[Bulldog]

Originally posted by Person
Allright. Whats a 12 oz co2 tank weigh?

I have no idea, pretty light, but I'd have to weigh one to be sure. You can only get about 600 shots on those if memory serves me right.

[abrewin450]

A seven ounce Co2 tanks weighs just under a pound

[No sKiLLz]

Originally posted by abrewin450
Well actually guys im really in seventh grade, but I do believe in my statement that size is a little factor in paintball given that they are a back player who hides behind rather large bunkers. And I dont see how shooting the lanes ( if that is what you meant by laneing out) could make a larger person an easier target. Could you please explain your reasoning?

Are you serious? Is it not obvious that a physically bigger person is more likely to get shot off the break running to a bunker than a really fast midget?

BTW you are a really bad liar. No one would work out so disproportionately.

[Person]

12 oz co2 will pull more shots then a 48/3000 any day, prolly even a 68 not really sure. co2 is alot more compact to carry, and at lower pressures to.

[Person]

Originally posted by No sKiLLz


Are you serious? Is it not obvious that a physically bigger person is more likely to get shot off the break running to a bunker than a really fast midget?

BTW you are a really bad liar. No one would work out so disproportionately.

a 13 year old that lifts the amt of weights he says he can would look discustingly ugly, and if you pushed him he would prolly fall over because hes so top heavy :D

[abrewin450]

Ok obviously I don't work out since I said I was in seventh grade. You were supposed to take that as a hint that I couldnt actually curl 180 pounds or however much I said. And as far as I know Back players dont run to anything. They turn around and fire as fast as they can while they walk to their bunker. Plus a person who was that strong(which isnt even really super strong) wouldnt necessarily be that much bigger than everyone else. And in the field of vision from about 100 yards away, a person would appear like an inch tall.So a big person would give you about a quarter of an inch more of a target.

[Bulldog]

Apples and oranges man, I see what your saying, but I haven't used a Co2 tank in about 5 or 6 years. I would suggest taking a look at some of the more modern ones. But you may be limited by your location, can't always get those fills.

[Person]

Its very possible for you to curl that much at age 13, you would prolly just be ugly. hahaaha

[abrewin450]

curl 180 at 13? errr how much can you curl now and how old are you?

[Person]

Originally posted by Bulldog
Apples and oranges man, I see what your saying, but I haven't used a Co2 tank in about 5 or 6 years. I would suggest taking a look at some of the more modern ones. But you may be limited by your location, can't always get those fills.

What more modern ones? Do you mean filling a 68 or 48 / 3000 psi or more tank with co2? Im fairly certain no one in my area besides maybe like a welding shop will have that high pressure of co2. Also those tanks are the same ones they fill with compressed air, I dont think co2 techknowledgy has advanced too far in the last few years :D

[Person]

Originally posted by abrewin450
curl 180 at 13? errr how much can you curl now and how old are you?

If you trained hard you can do that kinda stuff at that age, im 15, i have no idea how much i can curl, i mountain bike i dont lift much....pushups and situps man.

[abrewin450]

hey can yall please stop talking about Co2 Tanks and keep on the real topic here about how a 13 year old can't curl 180 pounds

[68ClassicMag]

Originally posted by No sKiLLz

All I hear is "Bigger Target".
aint it the truth though!

[Person]

Rufl. Abrewin stop talking this thread going too far offtopic, the TOPIC is - ALL ALUMINUM MAGS GET OWNED BY ALL STAINLESS MAGS - :P haha

[Bulldog]

Woops, I'm tired, I meant HPA, the 48/3000 tank is exactly the newest tank on the block.

[abrewin450]

I need one more post

[Person]

I know, but it will still be lighter then a 4500 psi tank, the reason 4500 is better is because of the larger capacity, not weight savings. My tank is a year old, ive used it once.

[Person]

Abrewin dont they like ban or something for just being a post whore?

Im going to go play video games now, i think 6 pages is enough for like 20 mins of thread life.

[abrewin450]

no

[68ClassicMag]

Originally posted by Person
12 oz co2 will pull more shots then a 48/3000 any day, prolly even a 68 not really sure. co2 is alot more compact to carry, and at lower pressures to.

i can go about 1000 rnds with my 68classic i'm just taking a guess on that so don't slam me but i can go 1/2 a day with my 4500psi compressed airtank and i shot a moderent ammout for a guy who is not sponsered and is poor (ie i shoot 1 case a trip)my 4500 is a 68ci by the way

[Bulldog]

Originally posted by Person
I know, but it will still be lighter then a 4500 psi tank, the reason 4500 is better is because of the larger capacity, not weight savings. My tank is a year old, ive used it once. Are you saying that the 48/3k centerflag tank is lighter than a 45/45 carbon fiber tank?

[Woodsmen]

can u really curl 180?

[Bulldog]

Originally posted by Person
ALL ALUMINUM MAGS GET OWNED BY ALL STAINLESS MAGS - :P haha
lol, Have fun, I'm going to bed.

I loved my all stainless steel mag too,

















in 1993.


:D

Take it easy.

[Barfly]

I knew a guy that when in the 8th grade he could bench 280, but he was so damn ugly he put sloth from the goonies to shame.

[abrewin450]

What is everyone's repulsion to muscle based upon. Are yall trying to say that because someone is strong that they are ugly? Last time I checked muscles were a very fashionable thing to have. But maybe its different here on the forums:confused:

[fallout11]

Back to the topic:
(which had nothing to do with how fast you can run or how many muscles you have)


Point is, what does it matter if you shave 3 oz of your gun, or buy a new one that is 5 oz lighter, if you turn around and mount a 5 pound bulb on it?

(a full 68cu/4500 psi tank weighs in excess of 5 pounds)

Have you ever heard of being "penny wise, and pound foolish"?

[No sKiLLz]

Originally posted by fallout11
Back to the topic:
(which had nothing to do with how fast you can run or how many muscles you have)


Point is, what does it matter if you shave 3 oz of your gun, or buy a new one that is 5 oz lighter, if you turn around and mount a 5 pound bulb on it?

(a full 68cu/4500 psi tank weighs in excess of 5 pounds)

Have you ever heard of being "penny wise, and pound foolish"?

Because they CAN! If you can't afford it, don't do it. We can afford it, so we are doing it. Save a few ounces on the gun by going aluminum, save a few more by running a MacDev Conquest, save a few more by going Macro instead of Braided steel, save a few more by using a Empire reloader with four AA batteries vs. six for a Halo, save a few more with an aluminum barrel, save a few more with a Delrin bolt.... add it all up and we're talking a respectable amount of weight, which if the savings are distributed properly, could make it phenomenally easier to snap shoot, and carry the gun from bunker to bunker. If you can't afford it, don't do it, but in such a case I would suggest finding a better paying job.

[Person]

Why dont all of you lightweight fellas spending so much money on some ule body rail figure out a way to use a lighter weight tank, like CO2, and i know an RT mag cant run co2, figure out a way or use a different marker since you are so concerned with the weight of your gun use one that can use a lighter tank.

[No sKiLLz]

Originally posted by Person
Why dont all of you lightweight fellas spending so much money on some ule body rail figure out a way to use a lighter weight tank, like CO2, and i know an RT mag cant run co2, figure out a way or use a different marker since you are so concerned with the weight of your gun use one that can use a lighter tank.

Have you ever used a MacDev Conquest?

[Person]

No i sure havent, but im sure its more heavy then a co2 tank and hey, every gram counts when making a light marker right! :P

[No sKiLLz]

Originally posted by Person
No i sure havent, but im sure its more heavy then a co2 tank and hey, every gram counts when making a light marker right! :P

It may be slightly heavier than a full tank of CO2, but since shot to shot consistency is MUCH better with compressed air, as well as not having to worry about temperature differences, it's a worthwhile sacrifice.

[Person]

Okayyyy but i duno its not as light :P Anyways if you wanna spend 100 dollars on an aluminum body that is easier to manufacture then your high quality stainless steel tube go ahead, i wish they made an all stainless rt valve that would be groovey.

[Bulldog]

Originally posted by No sKiLLz


Because they CAN! If you can't afford it, don't do it. We can afford it, so we are doing it. Save a few ounces on the gun by going aluminum, save a few more by running a MacDev Conquest, save a few more by going Macro instead of Braided steel, save a few more by using a Empire reloader with four AA batteries vs. six for a Halo, save a few more with an aluminum barrel, save a few more with a Delrin bolt.... add it all up and we're talking a respectable amount of weight, which if the savings are distributed properly, could make it phenomenally easier to snap shoot, and carry the gun from bunker to bunker. If you can't afford it, don't do it, but in such a case I would suggest finding a better paying job.

Perfectly said.

Co2 is old technology as far as I'm concerned. The temperature issues are annoying, the fills are more expensive, bah, not worth it to me, but to each his own. I can't get a + or - 2 fps with Co2. I can and do with my MacDev. Sometimes better under the right conditions. Literally, no exaggeration there.

[Person]

Originally posted by Bulldog
Are you saying that the 48/3k centerflag tank is lighter than a 45/45 carbon fiber tank?

Its possible, the 3000 psi tank doesnt need to be strong enough to hold 1500 more psi and it is smaller too.

[phantomhitman]

i would love to see someone run the 40 in 4.3 seconds with all of their gear on. There are professional atheletes of all sports that struggle to get the 40 in 4.2 with no equipment on what-so-ever. If you can do this you should try out for a nfl team, they would hire you on the spot for kick returns regardless of your size.

[lew]

Originally posted by fallout11

(a full 68cu/4500 psi tank weighs in excess of 5 pounds)



My Crossfire 88/45 weighs just under 4 pounds with a full load of air.

[Chris42050]

Everywhere I go I see you post No Skillz. Stop following me... I mean I better stop following you... err I dont know what the hell i mean... Oh yeah what is a mac/dev?

[Bulldog]

Originally posted by Chris42050
Everywhere I go I see you post No Skillz. Stop following me... I mean I better stop following you... err I dont know what the hell i mean... Oh yeah what is a mac/dev?

http://www.macdev.net/us/conquest.htm

[Chris42050]

Thanks Bulldog. Kinda lost tho. I kno it improves your consistency but how does that make the gun lighter? Isnt that what we are talking about.:confused:

[Bulldog]

The 45/45 version of that tank is the one of the lightest adjustable tanks currently on the market. The start of the thread said something like "why put all this money into weight savings if you're going to put a 6 lb tank on your gun" My response is simply, I don't use a 6 lb tank, I use the macdev, with other lightweight accessories, so for me its worth the cost. That's all. :)

[No sKiLLz]

Originally posted by Chris42050
Thanks Bulldog. Kinda lost tho. I kno it improves your consistency but how does that make the gun lighter? Isnt that what we are talking about.:confused:

Yeah, MacDev tanks are constructed with weight in mind, so it's the lightest adjustable tank available. Some think the DYE Ti Throttle is lighter, but I can't shell out the close to $400 to weigh it.

And I don't mind you following me, just keep your eyes up.

See you at SC this weekend. Russ, you better be there too.

[Chris42050]

Gotcha. All makes sense now. Yes I plan on bein at SC this weekend. Is it cool if I bring a couple of friends who aren't Ao-ers. We are woodsballers who want to give arena a try.

[No sKiLLz]

Originally posted by Chris42050
Gotcha. All makes sense now. Yes I plan on bein at SC this weekend. Is it cool if I bring a couple of friends who aren't Ao-ers. We are woodsballers who want to give arena a try.

Oh hell yes! Fresh meat!

J/K, of course. Bring your friends, family, aquiantances. It's really a great group to play with. We'll look after them. Word of caution, leave the camo at home.;)

[Chris42050]

CAMO :eek: I just remembered. I got a jersey but my pants are wayyyy to long. All the stores around here have pants that are made for people on stilts or something. Im 5'10 and a 1/2 (gotta add the half) and I cant find any pants that fit. WTF. Its crazy. I might show up with camo bottoms. Dont laugh at me please:(

[No sKiLLz]

Originally posted by Chris42050
CAMO :eek: I just remembered. I got a jersey but my pants are wayyyy to long. All the stores around here have pants that are made for people on stilts or something. Im 5'10 and a 1/2 (gotta add the half) and I cant find any pants that fit. WTF. Its crazy. I might show up with camo bottoms. Dont laugh at me please:(

Oh stop stressing. I just meant it won't help you blend into the surroundings in the arena.;) Check this out...
Camo....
http://www.jayloo.com/lib/get_file.php?id=1072
Camo...
http://www.jayloo.com/lib/get_file.php?id=1063
Look at this Camo dance line!
http://www.jayloo.com/lib/get_file.php?id=1047
That's me on the left BTW.

[Chris42050]

I was just jokin No Skillz. Sorry guys for stealing your thread.

[No sKiLLz]

Originally posted by Chris42050
I was just jokin No Skillz. Sorry guys for stealing your thread.

I know. See you Saturday.

[trains are bad]

My anti-siphon 20oz Al CO2 tanks weight exactly 3 lbs full. But I'm sure HPA would be lighter, because I could get rid of all the junk on my marker that lets me get good results out of CO2. (ask anyone that's seen a pic of my marker).

[steveo356]

wen i first gopt my setup all finsished id carry it every where n eventauly it either killed all my nerves or i got used to it ... kidding

But realy i got dye throttle nto heavey to me at all n yes i do have that ule rail 20 bux extra on tm rt custom and the ule body for the looks mostly but id use that gun if it wiegh 15 pounds its jus that good

[Bulldog]

Originally posted by No sKiLLz


See you at SC this weekend. Russ, you better be there too.

I will absolutely be there. Tuxedo thong and all!:D

[No sKiLLz]

Originally posted by Bulldog


I will absolutely be there. Tuxedo thong and all!:D

K. I guess since you're wearing the tuxedo I'll have to wear the Elephant one.

[brightman]

I have always thought that a lighter gun wont make any difference to my game. My buddy has been harping on getting a litter gun for a while and got a ule mag w/a dynaflo, x-valve and J&J Ceramic barrel. I traded my bladed cocker for his mag for a few games....crap....now I have a ULE mag on its way. Before yall start in on me Im 6'4 225lbs and pretty fast and always thought that a couple of pounds ment nothing but i was wrong. I was snap shotting much faster and more accuratly. So...before you knock a lighter gun try it out, it may suprise you.

Its been a while since I used a co2 tank but they are much heavier than fiber wraped tanks

[fallout11]

My point was this:

You want to save some serious weight on your gun?
Without paying a fortune (in milling and reannodizing, new gun of the month, etc.)?

Then consider a remote!
Yes, old, unstyling, not hip.

But an instant 4-5 POUNDS off your marker.
Not an ounce here, and an ounce there.....
But actually cut the weight of your gun package in half.


"Now how much would you pay?" =P

[Chris42050]

I used to use a remote (before it became uncool)with my Mini-Mag cause it was easier than antisiphoning all my CO-2 tanks. I kinda liked it, except when I tried to set my gun down after a game. The gun was light as hell tho, and not a bad balance either. I am mostly worried about balance than weight.

[brightman]

I use a tank to help me make a more stable shot. I hate remotes. Do you have anymore ideas on making my gun lighter without spending any money....
My point is this, when your playing a game where chance is a big factor you have to get every advantage that you can. If a lighter gun makes me snap shoot faster than a gun that is more heavy then that is probably what I need to be running with.

[fcpchop]

ya i really dont understand why people would spend 300$ on an x-valve, the only difference is 3oz! u pay 100$ per OZ! thats insane, play with like acouple of less balls each round and there goes ur 3oz :) though i think the ule body makes a big difference, its not as much and it makes a big difference, i think its like a 50 something percent weight loss.

[Creative Mayhem]

I use a tank to help me make a more stable shot. I hate remotes. Do you have anymore ideas on making my gun lighter without spending any money....



You can use a shoulder stock to help make your shots stable, but i see you don't like remote, and you want something cheap, and easy... hmmmm

Step 1 - Take your gun in your right hand.

Step 2 - Take a pod in your right hand.

Step 3 - Throw gun really far...

Step 4 - Take a ball from the pod with your right hand.

Step 5 - Throw ball as hard, and as accurately as you can.

There you have it, cheap and easy solution to your weight and shouldering problem...

NOTE: the above procedure may have a long lasting side effect. It is possible to blow your rotator cup.. Use caution when using this procedure.:D

[PzYcO]

u pay 100$ per OZ! thats insane,


Ehhh... thats not really insane... ;)

[SanDiegoMag]

About this weight thing, I think as long as its not insanly heavy, the only thing that matters is ballance. If you have a nice long drop on your gun it wil sit easier and your arms wont need to compensate for the extra weight on the back. Yeah, you still have to hold it up, but its better than having all the weight of your gun located on the back end. :)

[ULEMAG73]

haha ur math is wrong... if u had three legs you would be able to run 50% faster than everyone else. but anyways...
i dont think it matters that much, if you keep your gun around 2 1/2 to 3 pounds or lighter. the tank... as long as its fiber wrappe itll be ok, i prefer a 68/45 on my mag, but thats so it stays decently small.
now the whole thing on goin stainless is a joke. that thing would weigh a ton. even the boomstick puts so much forward weight on my gun.
Just somethin to think about.

[Jack_Dubious]

sometime back in the mid 90's i borrowed a gun from a guy....a custom cocker built totally from *stainless steel*!!!! The heaviest freakin gun ever!! But i guess this guy liked his guns durable :p

JDub

[the larch]

Weight is very important, But weight PLACEMENT is probably the least talked about but important topic in setting up your marker.
Actual physical weight is not as important as balance.
What you are looking for is a marker with good inherent accuracy. Inherent accuracy is the tendency for the marker to point were you aim it without you forcing it. Close your eyes, pick up your gun, aim it down field. open your eyes. Is the marker pointed were you want it?
Weight placement effects inertia when you aim the gun. The reason that tank weight isn't as important as barrel, or body weight is that it is closer to the fulcrum when you swing the marker to attain a target. The reason you want a lighter marker is not because of the weight pulling it down, but the mass inertia that keeps you from swinging it onto targets quickly.

[SanDiegoMag]

Good technical depiction of what i tried to explain :) I honestly think as long as your tank is not too far behind the gun, weight isn't a big issue. As long as you can hold your gun, ballance is what matters.

[MattPaintballer]

Dudes I have THREE LEGS!! That means I can run 33.33333% faster than the average human.

LOL! But little guys like me NEED our guns to be like 3 pounds less. My longs are REALLY strong but my arms are weak as heck. My A-5 and 16 oz. Co2 tank seem slightly heavy to me!

[RoadDawg]

Personally I like to save weight a anywhere I can with the best results. That's why I've got a Kaner Kit (light barrel), wingless ULE Rogue rail, ULE body, ULE Emag trigger, Xvalve, C'n'c battery pack and a 45/4500 AGD flatline. Almost as light as I can make it. A little here and a little there helps a long way.

[ZapTheMad]

I just held up my old guns to compare the weight difference of my new ULE mag the other day. I was amazed at the difference in weight! It's like night and day! I remember a few times after some long games when my arm was tired from holding up the marker all the time. I would even sometimes rest my "expensive" barrel on something and I'm always afraid I'm going to scratch it. I think it's going to make a huge difference in my style of play. I always hold the marker pointed in the direction that I will likely be shooting to be sure I get those first shots off as fast as possible!