04 cockers?

[rkjunior303]

OK.. Before AO get's all over me for this - ha - I still love mags and have every intention of owning another...

I was interested in picking up a base cocker just to fool with. From what I hear, the 04's are pretty much the best bet to shoot out of the box, for the money. I'm not looking to drop 4-5-600 into one. What do you guys think? Or would I be better off picking up one 'brand new used' from a classifieds forum. I'm pretty much clueless with what's good and waht to stay away from. From what I gathered, the Orracles are pretty much some of the best ones to look at but again, i'm not looking to pay $600 for one. I just want something to toy around with and learn, since I've never used on in the 10+ years (since Jr High baby!) I've been playing paintball on-and-off.

[Banshee23]

I'd say get a used one. I just picked up a Freeflow Lotus for $430 shipped a few weeks ago. Definately better than a new stock cocker (2k4/Outkast/Orracle) & there's nothing to upgrade. But if you want new get a 2k3, you can find them for under $300 online now. The 2k4 is mostly just cosmetic upgrades.

[Dryden]

I've been looking at an Autococker for the same reason (something to fool around with and learn), and I don't see that the 2K3s and 2K4s are that far apart in price. Where have you found 2K3s under $300?

xtremez.com has the vert-feed 2K3 at $339.

paintball-discounters.com and xtremez both have the 2K4 at $359.

[Torbo]

2k3/4 is a good way to go. You could pick up a very nice used one though, but you may opt ofr anew one, being your first cocker

[rkjunior303]

the only difference i thought i saw.. a new 03 doesnt come with a hinge while the 04's do...

[11_Mile_TMaster]

My 03 came with a Hinge...

As far as I know ,the primary difference between the 03 and 04 is that the 04's LPR is adjustable, and the body is a slightly different style. Haven't seen one for myself to be sure, though.

[Potatoboy]

new milled body.
Nickle smaller HRP
nickle pneumatics
smaller adjustable LPR
new nickle beavertail
nickle hinge frame
nickle bottomline with SS braid hose
New ported stock barrel.

I think that's about it.

We have them at killer.

[yeahthatsme]

Originally posted by rkjunior303
the only difference i thought i saw.. a new 03 doesnt come with a hinge while the 04's do...


they both come with a hinge stock.

[tyrion2323]

PM'd you rkJunior

[rkjunior303]

Originally posted by tyrion2323
PM'd you rkJunior

haven't gotten anything yet

[tyrion2323]

Check again man

[rkjunior303]

got it, thanks. i replied to you.

As for say the 03/04 Cockers. How are the pneumatics on them? Obviously as stock they aren't GREAT but are they decent enough to shoot well? A -new- 03 cocker is is $290 shipped on ebay... Worth the cash? Or will I just want to upgrade stuff like the pneumatics down the line?

Like I said, I'm flying blind on these things :)

[tyrion2323]

Well, I'll tell you, I'm no expert on WGP cockers. I know that, for quite a long time now, the STO pneumatics have been regarded as the "cream of the crop" of WGP pneus (correct me if I'm wrong!)

Jacob

[Wc Keep]

pbgear.com has the 03 for 250

i just sold my 2k2 wit hige for 200.

[rkjunior303]

thanks for the info WC. I have a few weeks to decide.. Besides I have my Omen and I love shooting that.. This is just more of a "I dont need it but why not" type buy... ya know? I'm sure a stock 03/04 will do fine for what I want.. And like us all, I know eventually if I decide to keep it i'll want to upgrade the *F* out of it ;)

[tyrion2323]

Hrmm - I didn't get your reply, RK.

Did you reply to the first or the second PM that I sent you? The one with the picture and stats?

[rkjunior303]

couldnt reply to the 2nd one -- your box is full

[Wc Keep]

if i still had my cocker i would have upgraded it alot, but i sold it to buy an emag.

[LeatherPants]

Pretty much the big difference on the stock '04 is they made them pretty and got rid of the brass.

My suggestion if you want a mechanical cocker would be to look for a used Orracle. That way you really can leave it the way it is, even the barrel is good.

The thing that I hate about the stock bodies is no threaded feed neck. It may not bother you too much but the only WGP cockers that have a threaded neck are the Orracle, Black Magic and VF Tactical.

Cockers can become money pits. Becareful. All my E Orracle is now is pretty much a body. There isn't one thing left that actually came with the marker. I would honestly say if you do get one keep the stock valve. You really do not have to change it just make sure you sweetspot your reg/marker for efficiecy.

[tyrion2323]

Box has been emptied - let me know if you're interested.

[rkjunior303]

Originally posted by LeatherPants
Pretty much the big difference on the stock '04 is they made them pretty and got rid of the brass.

My suggestion if you want a mechanical cocker would be to look for a used Orracle. That way you really can leave it the way it is, even the barrel is good.

The thing that I hate about the stock bodies is no threaded feed neck. It may not bother you too much but the only WGP cockers that have a threaded neck are the Orracle, Black Magic and VF Tactical.

True.. Well I would probably want a threaded feedneck so that is some good info. As for the barrel. I have a 14'' pipe that I use with my Omen, so I would probably use that with the cocker as well - Maybe get a 12'' tip. I also have a 12'' Dye that I have had great luck with as well.. I defintely have some time to think about it because I'm still deciding if i should buy the cocker to screw with or dump some money into some parts for the mag i want to build.. Ultimately, I want to have my Omen, a mechanical y-gripped mag pimped out, and possibly a cocker..

[LeatherPants]

Another option is that you can always thrown on an E Blade. Anyone from SOCAL AO or some of them form NORCAL AO will tell you how fast I'm able to rip on my E Orracle...though I did mess with it alot.

[rkjunior303]

What's a used Orracle go for? I love the look of them and from I gather they are great performers.. I probably wouldn't worry about an eblade yet. my omen is plenty fast.

[LeatherPants]

Found a couple of PBN for you.

http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=451999

$475 includes 68/3000 and revy

There are about 6-7 of them on PBN now. All around $500

[rkjunior303]

I was actually over there a second ago taking a look. Defintely worth a shot. I love the orange fades on those.

[LeatherPants]

If you are willing to look you might be able to find a new one for under $600.

I've seen some mini black magics for under $600. If you know anyone who has a shop I can bet the Orracle wholesales under $600.

[rkjunior303]

OnTop Paintball has the mini orracle and a few orracles for $599, I believe. I think that's where I saw them.

[rkjunior303]

Originally posted by LeatherPants
Another option is that you can always thrown on an E Blade. Anyone from SOCAL AO or some of them form NORCAL AO will tell you how fast I'm able to rip on my E Orracle...though I did mess with it alot.

Speaking of this.. The Superstock Autococker is an eBlade on a 03 Vertical w/ upgraded STO pneumatics.. Is this worth the $599? I mean, it's the same price as an Orracle.. Performance wise, how are the two?

[LeatherPants]

The superstock is an Eblade no matter how you look at it. There are only a few things you can change.


1. I like the STO lpr better than the Tickler. I've seen way too many problems on the tickler.
2. STO is decent you can always upgrade later.
3. No threaded feed on the Superstock
4. Crappy barrel on Superstock but you have a pipe
5. Stock reg is so so. The BM on the Orracle is pretty good.
6. Stock valve is fine the Orracle has a stainless version of the stock that's it same specs.


It really depends what you want. Do you want mechanical or electro?

[rkjunior303]

I guess that's what I have to figure out. I mean, I have a Omen already so it's not like I'm not in the 'electro' game.... I am planning on sticking entirely mechanical on my mag.. Another mech might be nice but I would be getting a better marker with the orracle -- which is always upgradable later for $300 with an 'e' kit... Decisions decisions... I'm starting to feel like there may be more to change going from the SS to a better eblade than from an orracle to a e-orracle.

[punkncat]

I put together a 99 cocker out of parts I was given out of a box.I have 5$ in it now cause I had to find a pre 2K bolt.
If you are willing to go with function over appearance you can pick an old cocker up for a song and leave enough $$$ left over to make a nice sleeper.

[rkjunior303]

Honestly, I would love to do that. I think that'd be the best way to learn them. I wish I could find someoneo with a box of random parts that I could mess around with.