Bush Administration and the possibility of a draft

[evilhomer]

http://www.vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2004/01/105146.php

Alright, well this was posted on PBR and I just wanted to see what people thought about it. Is the possibilty of a draft becoming more of a reality? I'm really not worried about it, I'm just curious.

Also, if there was a draft... would you go?

Also, I realize the article comes from Canada...

[Restola]

I don't see it being needed.

More than likely a "scare" tactic by those who don't like who will be effected by spreading it.

[FactsOfLife]

Nonsense.

The US is NOT going to be instituting a draft anytime in the near future.

If we wanted more service men and women, we'd loosen the tight entry requirements to allow more people who are now being turned away, in.

The military in this country is the single best equipped, trained and staffed in the world. Ever.

[TransMan]

I dont think there will be a draft anytime and if there was i wouldnt care since right now im thinking very seriously about bein a mechanic in the Airforce or Navy.

[pbzmag]

There is no reason to institute a draft. I have just read that Coast Guard is going through a waiver free period, meaning that if you don't meet the enlistment requirements, you can't join. The Army is also considering anyone who had asthma before the age of 12 to be waiver free. I do not know if it is true but it has been talked about in the about.military.com forums. So it sounds that the Armed Forces are not having a hard time enlisting people.

[Muzikman]

Na, won't happen. Look at it this way...we have been in Iraq for a year now and 600 soldiers have lost their lives. In Vietnam, we lost 40,000 lives in what 7 years? That is why there was a draft in the 60/70's. Also, since Sept 11, the armed forced have seen quite a jump in enrolment. I don't think we are in any kind of shortage of military man power.

[devildog]

lol, there are so many units requesting to go to iraq, and getting turned away. there are sooooo many soldiers and Marines to be sent still, we arent even close to begining to think about needing a draft....

p.s.

you wrote, "if we have a draft, would you go?"

if we have a draft, you dont have a choice....

unless ofcourse your a tree hugging draft dodging hippie piece of garbage and id like to beat the holy hell out of you

[Jonneh]

Originally posted by devildog
unless ofcourse your a tree hugging draft dodging hippie piece of garbage and id like to beat the holy hell out of you Uh oh! :(

[1stdeadeye]

Originally posted by devildog
unless ofcourse your a tree hugging draft dodging hippie piece of garbage and id like to beat the holy hell out of you

So I take it you don't like Clinton!;)

That article is a bunch or garbage. It is being spread by Anti-Bush partisans. Just like MoveOn is a 527 and not co-ordinating with Kerry.:rolleyes:

Besides Congress has to reinstate the draft, not Bush. This is just more lies from the left!

[logamus]

The Army is also considering anyone who had asthma before the age of 12 to be waiver free. I do not know if it is true but it has been talked about in the about.military.com forums.

i would sign up tomorrow if that happens.

[edweird]

evilhomer wrote, "if we have a draft, would you go?"

if we have a draft, you dont have a choice....

unless ofcourse your a tree hugging draft dodging hippie piece of garbage and id like to beat the holy hell out of you

its not a matter if you go... and if you dont well, lets just say im with devildog on this.

But dont worry kiddies you wont see a draft... especially on an election year. After all what do yall think this iraq thing is?... Vietnam?

Hell we lost more people in 'nam before noon than we lost this entire year in iraq. Dont think im trivializeing this but its pretty redicilious to think that we would resort to something like a draft.

[1stdeadeye]

its not a matter if you go... and if you dont well, lets just say im with devildog on this.

But dont worry kiddies you wont see a draft... especially on an election year. After all what do yall think this iraq thing is?... Vietnam?

Hell we lost more people in 'nam before noon than we lost this entire year in iraq. Dont think im trivializeing this but its pretty redicilious to think that we would resort to something like a draft.

I agree. This is not Vietnam. There are no jungles to hide in. Here we have absolute supremacy. The only thing stopping us is our ouwn restraint.

Maybe it is time to go Roman on their buttocks!! Destroy their cities and sow their fields with salt. Who can we sell them into slavery too? :eek:

:p

This is not Vietnam for many reasons. First they are a few thousand miles apart! ;)

Seriously though, this is not a creeping war like Vietnam. We went in with guns blazing. We will leave the country free and better then when we invaded. We have also killed far less then Saddam did. I do think we should show the insurgents some real military might though to make them understand what they are dealing with. Maybe we could carpet bomb around Fallujah to show them real might and frighten the populace into turning the insurgents in!

[PyRo]

This is what I think we need to do with Iraq.
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/6092/MyViewsOnIraq2.jpg

[mjs1217]

Not sure if it's been said yet, because I don't have enough time to read as I'm heading out the door as soon as i finish this post.

But...In the Vietnam War, there was a draft. The drafted soldiers did nto want to be there, had low moral, didn't neccesarily want to fight, and often weren't military material. I think that this is one of the hundreds of causes of us losing the war. I doubt there would be another draft...

Please don't flame.

[Automaggin2]

Nonsense.

The US is NOT going to be instituting a draft anytime in the near future.

If we wanted more service men and women, we'd loosen the tight entry requirements to allow more people who are now being turned away, in.

The military in this country is the single best equipped, trained and staffed in the world. Ever.



Yea I think this article is complete BS. There is absolutley no reason to reinstitute the draft. After 9/11, there has been a huge influx of patriotism in our country, causing for our military to grow considerably in the past 2 years.


That article is from a Canadian only newspaper. Right there you can tell its a little fishy. Damn canucks.

[tony3]

heres my solution for the middle east....

http://www.jayloo.com/lib/get_file.php?id=2251

[i like tictacs]

lol, there are so many units requesting to go to iraq, and getting turned away. there are sooooo many soldiers and Marines to be sent still, we arent even close to begining to think about needing a draft....

p.s.

you wrote, "if we have a draft, would you go?"

if we have a draft, you dont have a choice....

unless ofcourse your a tree hugging draft dodging hippie piece of garbage and id like to beat the holy hell out of you


or because you dont qualify because of a medical condition.


wow...

[argnot]

Alright I have to be brief cause I have to go to class. Yes there is a good possiblity. Right now they have a cap on the army to not release soldiers because we have to few. We are occupying to many countries in our efforts to right the world. The government needs people so they can swap out older soldiers for newwers ones. The new draft would prevent people from hiding behind higher education and fleeing the country seeing that we now have exportation treaties with a ton of countries including canada. This has been in the news for several months in canada but no mention of it has been made here in the states until recently (this being the first I have heard of it outside of canadian news). Sorry fellas if it passes looks like everyone under the age of 26 that is healthy is eligible. People are free to whine and complain now.

[Bluestrike_2]

hmmm....

Not going to happen.

We need people who are smart, not a D- high school dropout. Today, the soldier must be smart. With the computer knowledge, etc. we cannot afford to have dumbassses in our country's military. Besides, we have a large Armed Forces. Don't give me the sh** about it being too far spread out. Don't expect a draft anytime soon.

[Lohman446]

Alright I have to be brief cause I have to go to class. Yes there is a good possiblity. Right now they have a cap on the army to not release soldiers because we have to few. We are occupying to many countries in our efforts to right the world. The government needs people so they can swap out older soldiers for newwers ones. The new draft would prevent people from hiding behind higher education and fleeing the country seeing that we now have exportation treaties with a ton of countries including canada. This has been in the news for several months in canada but no mention of it has been made here in the states until recently (this being the first I have heard of it outside of canadian news). Sorry fellas if it passes looks like everyone under the age of 26 that is healthy is eligible. People are free to whine and complain now.

Well now, first if we had gotten the difference between an extradition and an exportation treaty correct I would be more inclined to beleive you. So thats being picky and I know what you meant.. sorry. Show me the statistics and I might beleive you... show me what politician would institute a draft... show me the majority it would take and the super majority it would take to break the filibuster. Tell me which party would do this in an election year. Drafts, except in severe emergency, are gone. US politicians know the price of one and that price is a lost election. We would pull out of Iraq and bomb the country before we would draft, and face it, as others have stated, why? Enlistment is up since 9-11 - people are turned away on a daily basis. Now, if it comes to a draft, fine - I volunteered and was turned away once. This whole US draft thing is just a scare tactic, and until I see the statistics to back it, it just annoys me to see people tell me how likely it is. PS - this last comment does not apply if you are in a position to know what the hell you are talking about - such as a person influencing policy in the department of defense or such. Assuming you are not in a position to know what the hell you are talking about... it just annoys me.

[LawnGnome7]

Maybe it is time to go Roman on their buttocks!! Destroy their cities and sow their fields with salt. Who can we sell them into slavery too? :eek:



i second that

[1stdeadeye]

heres my solution for the middle east....

http://www.jayloo.com/lib/get_file.php?id=2251

I am getting closer to liking this solution everyday God help me! :(

[Jack_Dubious]

Maybe it is time to go Roman on their buttocks!!


hrmm....I got a million comebacks for that one......

stop making this easy for me. :p

JDub

[1stdeadeye]

hrmm....I got a million comebacks for that one......

stop making this easy for me. :p

JDub

LOL!

I said Roman, not Greek so get your mind out of the gutter! :p

[Bluestrike_2]

After re-reading my previous post, I feel that it's wording was, well.... pathetic. Let's try again.

As more technology is implemented into the basic infantryman's work and equipment, he must be more skilled to undertake it.

Sometimes people will say that the military is just for people who are dumb and unable to go to college(grade-wise;not financially). Now, while you obviously did not need to be a college-graduate, or an extremely knowledgable person, to be a soldier in say, the War of 1812, or Civil War, the requirements of oneself have increased dramatically. No longer must you just be physically fit, and be able to handle the pressure of combat, but you must be able to think. Why do you think all branches of the service have educational resources on the main pages of their website?


In the Air Force, we understand that education is more than career training – it's the essential framework of your success. That's why we offer a variety of unique and specialized programs to help you meet your goals and reach your true potential.


From exclusive colleges and universities to tech training and practical experience, you'll be able to enhance your education throughout your career. Cross into the blue and see where an education in Air Force can take you.

Now, in my previous post I was very blunt. A poor decision on my part. Look at some of the programs in development. Like these:

http://abcnews.go.com/wire/US/ap20030531_1026.html
http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/05/30/22FEbattlefuture_1.html

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/armysoldierofthefuture_010626.html
http://www.spacedaily.com/news/milspace-02r.html
http://www.techtv.com/news/culture/story/0,24195,3396781,00.html

If need be, just do a Google search for mor.....

Now, these will not be implemented for a while, but do they look like something that takes little to no intelligence? No....

In another sense, do we really need this HUGE military that would result from a draft? More people to train = More Cost
More People Drafted = Less Moral
Less Moral = Sub-par working conditions
Sub-par working conditions = Poor Mental/Physical Health
whch = More injuries(physical and mental), not as much willingness to work, etc. etc. etc.

Ok, I am very tired right now so good night.


Well now, first if we had gotten the difference between an extradition and an exportation treaty correct I would be more inclined to beleive you. So thats being picky and I know what you meant.. sorry. Show me the statistics and I might beleive you... show me what politician would institute a draft... show me the majority it would take and the super majority it would take to break the filibuster. Tell me which party would do this in an election year. Drafts, except in severe emergency, are gone. US politicians know the price of one and that price is a lost election. We would pull out of Iraq and bomb the country before we would draft, and face it, as others have stated, why? Enlistment is up since 9-11 - people are turned away on a daily basis. Now, if it comes to a draft, fine - I volunteered and was turned away once. This whole US draft thing is just a scare tactic, and until I see the statistics to back it, it just annoys me to see people tell me how likely it is. PS - this last comment does not apply if you are in a position to know what the hell you are talking about - such as a person influencing policy in the department of defense or such. Assuming you are not in a position to know what the hell you are talking about... it just annoys me.

[PyRo]

If there is a draft, I doubt Bush would be relected. Therefore it won't happen.

[Paintball_4_Fun]

Great there are to many kids in the walk on fields any way...
This should thin there numbers out. :eek:


"Congress brought twin bills, S. 89 and H.R. 163 forward this year, entitled the Universal National Service Act of 2003, "To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons [age 18--26] in the United States, "

[devildog]

or because you dont qualify because of a medical condition.


wow...


eh, someones always got an excuse..........

[breg]

In argument to the possibility of a draft, i just want to point out that the Air Force is overmanned to the point that they are making it easier for people to get out right now...

[Albinonewt]

The only person that I remember pushing for a draft in recent years is New York congressman Charles Rangel (D NY)

And he's the ONLY one pushing for it.

[Gadget]

heres my solution for the middle east....

http://www.jayloo.com/lib/get_file.php?id=2251

Oh nice, were you wearing jackboots when you proposed genocide as a valid solution?

[PyRo]

Its not genocide, its national security.

[Jack_Dubious]

Hell we lost more people in 'nam before noon than we lost this entire year in iraq. Dont think im trivializeing this but its pretty redicilious to think that we would resort to something like a draft.

Actually IIRC we only lost 300-400 people the first 3 years in Vietnam, starting in 1961.

As for the draft, I dont see a draft anytime soon. Especially during an election year.
While a draft is always possible, there would have to be some major conflicts erupting to initiate it. So maybe...a major middle east conflict *and* a north korean one, could trigger it???? maybe dunno...

[1stdeadeye]

So maybe...a major middle east conflict *and* a north korean one, could trigger it???? maybe dunno...

North Korea will not be a conventional war if it ever errupts. Kim is a madman! :(

NK would be armegeddon! :(

[Gadget]

Its not genocide, its national security.

Oh god please tell me you were joking?

Hey, I'm worried about my house being burgled....I know, if I murder everyone else in my town I'll be safe! Yeah, safe and A PSYCHO. :rolleyes:

[Automaggin2]

Its not genocide, its national security.


its idiocy.

[PyRo]

They brought it upon themselves :)

[Gadget]

God you really are a bit retarded aren't you?

They brought it upon themselves? Oh ALL OF THEM did, OBVIOUSLY.

So it's quite alright for us to kill EVERYONE in Northern Ireland because of the IRA bombing campaign which we endured for decades? Well, after all, they brought it on themselves. :rolleyes:

A small minority of fanatics who are murdering scum does not give anyone the excuse to exterminate entire nations....or indeed even towns + villages.

[PyRo]

Sure it does.

[Bluestrike_2]

hmmmm.

Where will we get our oil from then?


J/K

(I think that map was a joke...)

[.bolink]

Oh well. No skin off my back. I just joined the navy as a Nuclear Field Specialist. Got myself a 12k signing bonus too. The first two years of my service is college level classes ( Advanced Trig, Physics, Thermodynamics, ect) followed by 4 yrs safely nestled away in the depths of the atlantic ocean.

Plus it IS hard to get into the military despite the common misconceptions.

Heres a brief (very) list of DISQUALIFYING conditions;
*ANY history of asthma
*Any Ritalin use (Or the equivalent)
*Any Prozac or other anti-depressant useage

Other things that can possibly affect you getting in:
*Broken bones
*ER Visits
*Any major surgeries
*Concussions
*Drug useage
*Trouble with the law

I (and just about every person trying to get in the military) have to lie about having not had several conditions. You should see the medical questionair they give you. Some of the questions could be everybody (like HEADACHES). And if you check yes to any of them then they automaticly send you away and you have to try to obtain waivers (can be a lengthy process).

Anyways, I personally feel that there is some youth that could use some military treatment. Some of my peers lack so much respect to anything and take everything for granted. But, whatever. Bleh im done.

[pbzmag]

Congrats on getting into the Military and becoming a Navy squid! I also agree with you about todays youth. They have no repect for anyone anymore, well just the ingrateful slackers.