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The Action Figure
04-16-2004, 01:41 PM
http://store6.yimg.com/I/actionvillage_1786_278291864
looks like a neat lil. gun 230 on pbg.com

angelbeast24
04-16-2004, 05:30 PM
looks like another sypder clone

TheLaxPlayer
04-16-2004, 05:33 PM
... and the spyder is a Piranaha clone.

spantol
04-16-2004, 05:45 PM
How do you figure?


... and the spyder is a Piranaha clone.

Cryer
04-16-2004, 06:10 PM
How do you figure?
stacked-tube, open-bolt, blowback. Just like spyders, pirahnas, etc...

Actually, the Spyders and Pirahnas came after the ACI illustrators ;)

personman
04-16-2004, 06:24 PM
Look alot like a dragun TES to me.
But then again, all these spyders are starting to look more and more alike :p

barberjohn
04-16-2004, 09:50 PM
that trigger actually looks pretty nice. if it had ace or some sort of anti-ball chopping device i would be sold. those new pirahnas with the eyes are a great deal at like $260, and they look good on top of that.

Glickman
04-16-2004, 10:09 PM
technically you can even call a timmy a spyder clone...

although its only really apparent in the earlier models

Jack & Coke
04-16-2004, 11:18 PM
technically you can even call a timmy a spyder clone...

although its only really apparent in the earlier models

Actually, that's technically incorrect. ;)

The only thing that was related to a "spyder clone" was only one part... the body. Everything else was radically different from a typical "sypder clone" and how it operated.


true electro-pneumatic
dual reg block
frame with integrated drop
etc.


If you were to break the gun down into components, and studied the parts and how they functioned together, the Timmy is much closer to being an "Angel clone", than a "Spyder clone".

Glickman
04-16-2004, 11:20 PM
basically, ones spring returned, the other is pneu. i thought that really early "timmies" like the millenium were spring returned too though..

eventually im gonna put a solenoid into my spyder... heh yes, why use a dye trix when u can use a spyder...

ahh, the good ol days of "springers"

GoatBoy
04-16-2004, 11:34 PM
stacked-tube, open-bolt, blowback. Just like spyders, pirahnas, etc...

Actually, the Spyders and Pirahnas came after the ACI illustrators ;)


Which I believe came after the VM68's?

Jack & Coke
04-16-2004, 11:36 PM
basically, ones spring returned, the other is pneu. i thought that really early "timmies" like the millenium were spring returned too though..


"spring returned" :confused:

...which one (timmy or spyder) are you talking about when you say "spring returned"?

Jack & Coke
04-16-2004, 11:38 PM
Which I believe came after the VM68's?

I do believe you are correct! ;)

QUINCYMASSGUY
04-16-2004, 11:41 PM
Actually, a mag can be said to be more like a spyder in one way... spyders use spring forward air back, while mags use air forward spring back, but neither spyders nor timmy's use springs for return and both use poppet valves to fire up through the bolt. Timmy's have been called spyder clones because older bodies were designed to BE spyder clones but got redesigned to be the Timmy.

robertjuric
04-16-2004, 11:43 PM
stacked-tube, open-bolt, blowback. Just like spyders, pirahnas, etc...

Actually, the Spyders and Pirahnas came after the ACI illustrators ;)

Thank you Cryer for giving credit where credit is due. I'm proud to be an ACI F4 Illustrator owner. But yes there were lots of others before the F-Series. It just make's me kinda irritated when people call them spyder clones. That's just an insult in my book.

PzYcO
04-18-2004, 06:43 AM
to be honest i think that looks like a new timmy milling, lol..