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devildog
04-29-2004, 08:40 AM
i know its kind of long, but its well worth it.




The 15 Marines were trapped in a house, surrounded by hundreds of Iraqis
armed with rocket-propelled grenades and assault rifles, their armored
vehicle in flames on the street outside. Each man was down to his last two
magazines. (that's a total of 40 rounds for both magazines)

"It was in my head, we just got to go. Whoever makes it back, makes it back,
those who fall, fall," said Staff Sergeant Ismail Sagredo, sitting in the
relative safety of Bravo Company's forward base yesterday, as mortars and
machine-gun fire sounded a few streets away.

"That was the decision I'd have had to make, and I'm glad I didn't have to
do it."

It was one of the most dramatic actions of the war.

Sergeant Sagredo, 35, had been in one of two Amphibious Assault Vehicles
running out from the Marines' front-line close to the center of Fallujah,
trying to trap insurgents who had ambushed a supply vehicle.

But as they headed down the narrow, parallel streets of Fallujah, where
Sunni tribesmen have battled the Marines for more than a week, their vehicle
came under fire from rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs), the guerrillas'
weapon of choice.

Unable to turn the large vehicle around, the squad charged their attackers,
but lost contact when they hit a bend in the road. They were driving into
unknown territory. Then they turned another corner and saw hundreds of
guerrillas.

"I've never seen so many RPGs. A lot of them were propped up against the
walls with extra rounds," said the sergeant.

The Iraqis, not expecting a lone American vehicle so far behind their lines,
ran frantically for their weapons as the Marines opened up with M16 rifles
and machine-guns.

Rockets started smashing into their vehicle. One pierced the armor at the
front, taking a large chunk out of the leg of Lieutenant Christopher Ayres,
the officer in command. The rocket did not explode, but hit the engine,
setting it ablaze.

Still under intense fire, the driver swerved south along a route known to
the Marines as "Sh**head Alley", desperate to find a turning to the east,
towards their own lines. The gunner was dead from enemy fire, and several
men had been knocked down by the continuing rounds of missiles.

The blaze was spreading toward the stockpiles of grenades when the engine
gave out completely.

With the engine dead, the rear gate would not open. The men had to climb out
of the hatch one by one, still taking small-arms fire. Luckily for them,
their dash down the gauntlet of Sh**head Alley had left their attackers - up
to 600 of them -- behind. But only for a while.

"When we stepped out I was relieved. At least I wasn't going to burn," said
Lance Corporal Abraham McCarver, a machinegunner.

The men had to help Lieutenant Ayres, who was crawling blindly toward the
fire. Sergeant Sagredo and Corporal McCarver pulled him, but his webbing
caught on a rack.

They were still taking fire, conscious that the vehicle could explode at any
moment. Then the webbing ripped, and they carried the wounded officer to a
nearby house, kicking down the door.

The Marines took up firing positions on the roof as more than 150 Iraqi
gunmen converged on the small house.

"All the Iraqis surged south to join the festivities," Sergeant Sagredo
said. He now found himself in charge of an impossible situation reminiscent
of scenes in Black Hawk Down, the film of a doomed US raid in Somalia that
the sergeant had seen back home in America.

"It did remind me of that soldier being dragged through the streets back
then," he said, aware that a similarly gruesome scene had involved four US
contractors just streets away, the trigger for the Marines' invasion of
Fallujah.

Ironically, Bravo Company's call-sign is Blackhawk.

The Marines could hear the Iraqi fighters shouting outside, could see their
feet shadowed under the front gate.

"I opened a window because I heard voices and I thought it was Americans,"
said Corporal Koreyan Calloway. "There was a guy in a headscarf with an
AK-47
standing there looking at me, so I shot him."

The attackers were darting down narrow alleyways beside the house, and
lobbing grenades from neighboring rooftops.

"They were running across our line of fire like we weren't even shooting at
them," the corporal said.

"It was just like a range, we were just shooting them down," said Corporal
Jacob Palofax.

In the midst of the firefight, with the armored vehicle's munitions blowing
up, an ambulance pulled up. The Marines thought they were being rescued.
Instead, 15 men with RPGs jumped out and started firing.

The Americans were almost out of bullets. An Iraqi round hit a kitchen pipe
and gas started whistling out as RPGs slammed into the building.

A guerrilla burst through the gate with an RPG and was shot dead. Another
tried to follow and was wounded.

"Then the men started shouting that they could hear tanks. The first one
went past, then the second," Sergeant Sagredo said.

Horrified that the rescuers would miss him, Sergeant Sagredo radioed to tell
them to back up. They did. A rifle muzzle appeared through the gate, and
Captain Jason Smith of the 5th Marine Regiment came through shouting:
"Marines, Marines, friendlies!"

It took an hour for the tanks to hook up with the burnt-out vehicle, but
they were determined not to leave a dead Marine behind inside it.

Sergeant Sagredo does not want a medal for saving his men. "A decoration
would only remind me of what happened. This is something I want to forget.
Unfortunately, if it doesn't affect me now, I know it will haunt me later."




Pain is Temporary,
...Pride is Forever.

jdev
04-29-2004, 08:52 AM
not even sure what to say to this. it was a good read, and I think all I can say is 'thank you'

Chojin Man
04-29-2004, 11:24 AM
Good story. Where did you get it from?

What is webbing?


They were still taking fire, conscious that the vehicle could explode at any moment. Then the webbing ripped, and they carried the wounded officer to a nearby house, kicking down the door.

FactsOfLife
04-29-2004, 11:51 AM
All I got to say to that is HOORAH!

Target Practice
04-29-2004, 12:08 PM
Semper Fi! Thanks for dealing with this s*** so we don't have to.

Fred
04-29-2004, 12:45 PM
Good read. But I think Fallujah needs to be carpet bombed into oblivion.

I'm gonna take a partially-educated-guess that the webbing they refer to is his web harness that holds ammo, cantines, etc.

Jeffy-CanCon
04-29-2004, 02:49 PM
Cool story.

Fred - your guess is correct. Webbing or web gear is nicknamed for the weave of the material that makes up the straps & belts. The adjustable straps on a backpack are of similar design.

MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata
04-29-2004, 06:52 PM
Thanks is about all I can say.

And the only problem with carpet bombing, is it would turn the tide even further towards anti-american sentiment. When Public Relations is a huge part of the War, it makes everything so much harder.

SIGSays
04-29-2004, 06:59 PM
Semper Fi!

Kevmaster
04-29-2004, 07:10 PM
god bless the marines

1stdeadeye
04-29-2004, 08:24 PM
Good read. But I think Fallujah needs to be carpet bombed into oblivion.

I second that motion! Go Roman on them and turn their city into a modern Carthage!

behemoth
04-29-2004, 08:27 PM
Thank you for protecting us, because as we all know, Freedom Isnt Free.

Semper Fi

OOHRAH

mag-hatter
04-29-2004, 08:47 PM
good read. very crazy how thats happening right now :| but hey i leave for boot camp in 55 days and i can still say im glad to be an american hahahah

devildog
04-29-2004, 09:17 PM
hey guys, thanks for all the support! i didnt think i was gonna get so many positive responses from this. this story was just recently declassified, and was emailed to me my a friend way up the chain that i have. it really hit home, especially being that i just got out from out there.

i dont want to get political in this thread, but i just want to say that the marines and soldiers that are out there, dont want to leave. there are numerous stories of units that are scheduled to rotate home, and end up staying because they want to.

if you truly support the marines and soldiers, then also support what they are doing ;)

oorah, semper fi

Iron Mag13
04-30-2004, 05:12 PM
dude thats awsome!!! Pain is Temporary,
...Pride is Forever.
im going to use that in my sig if you dont mind devildog?

skife
05-01-2004, 08:27 AM
All I got to say to that is HOORAH!



actually it is OOORAH!


thanks for the great read devildog

FactsOfLife
05-01-2004, 09:23 AM
actually it is OOORAH!


thanks for the great read devildog


Spelled HOORAH. Pronounced OORAH.

I did my time, 83-87 1st MEF.

jdev
05-01-2004, 09:29 AM
Spelled HOORAH. Pronounced OORAH.

I did my time, 83-87 1st MEF.


not to get off topic here, but isn't it spelt "HURA" and pronounced "oorah"

I was told, and If im not mistaken, it stands for:

Heard, Understood, Recognized and Acknowledged

I could be wrong though.. :)

1stdeadeye
05-01-2004, 09:30 AM
not to get off topic here, but isn't it spelt "HURA" and pronounced "oorah"

I was told, and If im not mistaken, it stands for:

Heard, Understood, Recognized and Acknowledged

I could be wrong though.. :)

You don't watch Mail Call do you? No one knows where it came from. It just developed! :)

jdev
05-01-2004, 09:42 AM
haha, actually, now that you mention it, mail call is where I heard that from.

:)

nevermind me.. carry on

skife
05-01-2004, 09:54 AM
the oorah or hoorah is quite motivational though

this one time i went up to alpina to play some paintball with marine poolies and we stayed the night there, it was good, the lance corperal was all like "let do some pt" everyone was like "oorah!"
its pretty motivating


they paintball was just plain awsome though :D

1stdeadeye
05-01-2004, 04:38 PM
nevermind me.. carry on

No, no, no!

It's Semper Fi, Carry On! ;)

taylor492
05-01-2004, 07:05 PM
The other day the paper ran an article that had more details into the death of Pat Tillman. I know hes not in the marines but theyre all fighting for the same thing.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0501tillman01.html

FactsOfLife
05-01-2004, 08:41 PM
The other day the paper ran an article that had more details into the death of Pat Tillman. I know hes not in the marines but theyre all fighting for the same thing.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/0501tillman01.html


Pat Tillman was a kickass human being and an American Hero.

devildog
05-02-2004, 05:17 AM
Pat Tillman was a kickass human being and an American Hero.


ill agree with that, but it pisses me off how one person can be singled out for this. everyone out there, especially those that died, are heros. you become so close to the people youre out there with, its rediculous. i know more about the guys i was out there with than my own family back home.

Janitor
05-02-2004, 06:14 AM
Great story, thanks for sharing. Thanks for being a Marine!!! Be sure to pass on more stories if you get a chance.

Hope that you aren't staying at Camp Foster, atleast it was when I had to stay there in 94.


USN/Oregon Air National Guard 173FW

FactsOfLife
05-02-2004, 12:56 PM
ill agree with that, but it pisses me off how one person can be singled out for this. everyone out there, especially those that died, are heros. you become so close to the people youre out there with, its rediculous. i know more about the guys i was out there with than my own family back home.



Yeah they all are. Pat was mentioned, Pat was praised. No other reason than that.

It goes without saying that all the boys over there are kickass human beings and American Heroes.

No one here, and especially myself are trivializing the rest of you guys because Pat is getting the lions share of media attention.

taylor492
05-02-2004, 01:08 PM
ill agree with that, but it pisses me off how one person can be singled out for this. everyone out there, especially those that died, are heros. you become so close to the people youre out there with, its rediculous. i know more about the guys i was out there with than my own family back home.

This was one of my posts a while back on this subject

You won't find anyone who thinks more highly of the soldiers fighting for our country, even moreso for the ones who died, than me.

But the Pat Tillman story hit home because of one simple reason. He had a story! He was a big time football player. A Rudy kind of quality. Multi-million dollar contracts. Succesful career. New wife. You get the picture.

And now to hear of his death wrenches our hearts. More than when news of other soldiers deaths reaches home? Absolutely not! But it seems that way because the country knew Pat Tillman before he joined the Army. Theres been a couple memorials around Phoenix and i think the Cardinals are retiring his jersey and i think thats very fitting.

Everyday when I turn on the news or open the newspaper, and i read about soldiers dying and being wounded it makes me so very sad. But im also extremely proud of them. The soldiers who have died in Iraq and Afghanistan will eventually get their remembrance. Every war or conflict we've ever had theres been some sort of national memorial. And theirs' is coming.

God Bless our Troops

slateman
05-03-2004, 09:43 AM
Good read. Little one sided though :D I expect more objectivity :D Joking, of course.

When I read stuff like that part of me thinks I'm crazy for ever wanting anything to do with the military at all. But most of me wants to drop out of school right now and enlist. I would love to have courage like that. Who knows, maybe I do....

FactsOfLife
05-03-2004, 10:52 AM
Good read. Little one sided though :D I expect more objectivity :D Joking, of course.

When I read stuff like that part of me thinks I'm crazy for ever wanting anything to do with the military at all. But most of me wants to drop out of school right now and enlist. I would love to have courage like that. Who knows, maybe I do....


Finish high school, get good grades. Talk about it with your parents.

It will be the single biggest commitment you make in your young life so far.

It will probably shape the rest of your life.

slateman
05-03-2004, 12:07 PM
Finish high school, get good grades. Talk about it with your parents.

It will be the single biggest commitment you make in your young life so far.

It will probably shape the rest of your life.

Uhhhh...I'm a sophmore/junior in college. :D

Jack_Dubious
05-03-2004, 12:33 PM
I did my time, 83-87 1st MEF.

hey FOL i didnt know that! I thought you were just talkin the talk. :p :D

JDub

FactsOfLife
05-03-2004, 12:52 PM
hey FOL i didnt know that! I thought you were just talkin the talk. :p :D

JDub


Yep straight out of HS. My old man was in, his old man was in. Wasn't much doubt about me going in.

And as an added bonus, I'm reminded of who the boot is in the family every time I see him. :D

FactsOfLife
05-03-2004, 12:53 PM
Uhhhh...I'm a sophmore/junior in college. :D


College is great, it isn't in the same level of commitment joining the service is.

Last time I checked, going to college you weren't likely to be putting your life on the line. ;)

Jeffy-CanCon
05-03-2004, 01:21 PM
...
Last time I checked, going to college you weren't likely to be putting your life on the line. ;)

...unless it's Kent State. ;)

FactsOfLife
05-03-2004, 02:49 PM
...unless it's Kent State. ;)



....or you're stuck in the sixties...

Jeffy-CanCon
05-03-2004, 08:54 PM
....or you're stuck in the sixties...


AND you're stuck in the sixties! :D

(couldn't help it, caught a documentary on the subject recently on the History Channel)

FactsOfLife
05-03-2004, 09:16 PM
AND you're stuck in the sixties! :D

(couldn't help it, caught a documentary on the subject recently on the History Channel)


Kent State was a seriously messed up piece of history.

taylor492
05-04-2004, 07:59 PM
I dont mean to hijack this thread but i was crusin around and found this. Its a good read.

http://www.legacy.com/azcentral/Guestbook.asp?Page=Guestbook&PersonID=2163592

Cobra_Clark
05-11-2004, 12:34 AM
Good read. But I think Fallujah needs to be carpet bombed into oblivion.

yeah it does for sure, Im tired of hearing about our boys getting killed there

Konigballer
05-11-2004, 02:08 AM
I'm sure carpet bombing Fallujah to the ground would really swing the war our way :rolleyes:

I mean, using B-52's to fight guerillas worked so well in Vietnam......

Actually that city pisses me off to, and sure anihalating that city would kill alot of guerillas, but we would lose the political war just like we did in Vietnam. Guerilla wars are not about body counts and enemy KIA, that doesnt matter to those people. Its the political war that decides victory, razing fallujah to the ground would just completly open the flood gates for even more foreign fighters to strengthen the growing "home grown" iraqi guerilla force. The politacal fall out would be tremendous, just look at all the crap we're taking for the prisoner abuse scandal.

As bad as that scandal is for our image, its really very minor compared to things we've done in other wars. Anyone who has read alot of military history can reference up some real "atrocities". If we bombed Falluah to the ground, just imagine what would happen as soon as the networks flash images of dead women and children in bombed out lunar landscapes, it would not be good.

devildog
05-11-2004, 02:44 AM
what needs to happen is we need to get the cameras get out of that country, so the marines can do what they are there to do, without the "mothers of america" whining about iraqis dieing. let me clue you in moms, its a war, people die.

Jeffy-CanCon
05-11-2004, 05:54 AM
While I am confident that if you kill enough Iraqis the survivors will eventually submit peacefully, I am equally confident that no Western government has the political will to do so. It would also mean a political death (domestically) and irreparable damage to foreign relations. Meanwhile, anything short of that kind of unrestrained violence only seems to strengthen the resistance.

I thought the Iraqis would be glad to get rid of Saddam Hussein, and to have a chance at the sort of democratic freedoms we enjoy in the West. But it appears now that all they want is revenge on their neighbours, and a chance to act on old hatreds (like in former Yugoslavia). The Occupation troops are in the way, delaying the start of their civil war.

Konigballer
05-11-2004, 01:10 PM
i know the Iraqi's wanted Sadam gone but I don't remember them chanting for Democracy in the streets. I think thats a largely american goal.

I agree with you Jeffy-CanCon, the various factions in Iraq would much rather wait till we leave to start their civil war and let the strongest win. I'll bet they set up a government just like Iran and become more of a threat than they were when Sadam was kicking the crap outa' them.

Jeffy-CanCon
05-11-2004, 02:38 PM
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I'll bet they set up a government just like Iran and become more of a threat than they were when Sadam was kicking the crap outa' them.

You may be right. Like Iran, Iraq has a Shiite majority, and Saddam tended to rely on his own Sunni minority group to keep him in power. As I understand it, Bush figured that if he got rid of Saddam, the Shiites would be grateful and cooperative. Everyone forgot that it was Shiites in Iran who coined the nickname "Great Satan" for the USA. So now the Sunnis are mad because they lost power, and the Shiites are mad because the US Army is till there. :(

At least the Kurds are still on our side. For now. How long will they wait before realizing that the West will not support their desire for an independent homeland?