Are the Majority of Paintball Players Ricers at Heart?

[SlartyBartFast]

To me, a ricer isn't just defined by the car they drive, but how they "customise" the car.

You know, big wings, funny bodykits, lots of CF, paint jobs, 'go-fast' mufflers, chrome, etc, etc, but the same engine and mechanicals that came with the car in the first place.

Compare that to paintball. How many 'different' timmies are there now? How many have spent fortunes anno'ing and re-anno'ing their markers? Can't wear last years jersey because it's not 'in' anymore?

What do you all think?

[Bolter]

ummm...i think its more that people like toys. If you got the money and therefore the option to buy all the new stuff then great! I say go for it. I am not one of those people :(

[vonort]

If you are talking about the true majority then NO they are intrested in performance. Since the true Majority of paintballers are woods//rec players.

If you are talking about the majority that post on most internet PB forums then yes. Since most of them are teeny boppers that are just wanna be tourny players. :dance:

[Torbo]

definatly not. yes, there are many, but most do want performance. you pointed to the number of differently milled/annoned timmys: i think that isnt really a good example. because with the milling and anno of the timmys, you get some of the best performing guns on the market.

[teufelhunden]

If you are talking about the true majority then NO they are intrested in performance. Since the true Majority of paintballers are woods//rec players.

If you are talking about the majority that post on most internet PB forums then yes. Since most of them are teeny boppers that are just wanna be tourny players. :dance:


So stuff like Ghilie suits, camo, flatlines, bipods, all the BT-16 stuff for Tippys... all that is performance gear, right? :rolleyes:

[skife]

yes, there is alot of rice in paintball.

back in the day my uncle used to drive a '69 nova with a blueprinted 383 stroker
the car was a dull yellow and primer

the inside was gutted and the seats wern't adjustible
they fixed the holes in the floor with silicone, cookie sheets and sheet metal screws.
it wasn't a cop magnet and it would toast so many cars on the road



now days people paint their cars tons of outrageous colors put the fart pipe on it, the huge wing huge rims that get bent when hitting speedbumps and the body kit that adds on about 100 lbs and load it with aftermarket crap for the interior, then they think its a race car. they are cop magnets
sorry this turned into a rant
i hate rice.

[Empyreal Rogue]

So stuff like Ghilie suits, camo, flatlines, bipods, all the BT-16 stuff for Tippys... all that is performance gear, right? :rolleyes:

Owned. :dance:

gogogogogogogogogog ricccccccccccerzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!`````11111onew
kekekekeke

[Mango]

Owned. :dance:

gogogogogogogogogog ricccccccccccerzzzzzzzzzzz!!!!!`````11111onew
kekekekeke




Seriously....what is happening to AO..... :sleeping:

[GoatBoy]

So stuff like Ghilie suits, camo, flatlines, bipods, all the BT-16 stuff for Tippys... all that is performance gear, right? :rolleyes:

KABLAM!

:dance:


Good one, man.

[SlartyBartFast]

So stuff like Ghilie suits, camo, flatlines, bipods, all the BT-16 stuff for Tippys... all that is performance gear, right? :rolleyes:

Hehe, you beat me to it.

Because we all KNOW that all those military mounts for scopes, sights, flashlights, and god knows what else on the TAC-One are absolute necesities to get eliminations.

And same for the A5.... :ninja:

[ProX9]

ricers

[kscullin]

Put racing stripes and flames on it - it'll shoot faster.

[JimmyBeam]

my rice.....

too bad my gun isnt done yet

[Blazestorm]

The only thing thing I will do to my car is install a computer with wIFI internet, a touchscreen monitor, and a DVD player.

An actual computer, not full size ofcourse, but enough to play music and watch DVD's :clap:

Maybe add a few secondary monitors for passengers... dunno :D

This would be going into a Subaru WRX Impressa Sport Wagon :bounce:

[punkncat]

Just like the fact that every sticker on your Honda adds 15HP....... :D

[JimmyBeam]

so true

[Lo¿us]

Well first its performance and then its the rice :D

[Crazy]

Last time i checked, ghilli suits and camo does make a difference in woodsball...?

[booyah]

thats why i shoot a black and chrome mag, and drive a GTI

98 VW GTI VR6.

to the untrained eye, its looks very much like a normal golf. but straight from the factory it has better suspension, faster trans, bigger brakes, and a 180HP v6 that sounds like EVERY engine SHOULD!

add to it a lightened flywheel, stronger clutch, stronger shocks and springs, bigger sway bars, fast street/track brake pads, falken azenis tires, shock tower braces, chip, k&n filter, Techtonics tuning exhaust (with identical to stock tips), and harnesses, and you have a car that still looks almost the same as a normal golf!!!

but runs 60 in the high 5's, quartermile in 14 flat, stops from 60 in about 120 feet, and rocks the autocross tracks...

oh, and blows ricers off the road cause they NEVER see it coming.

-Booyah

[JimmyBeam]

pics?

[SCpoloRicker]

hate to purloin PBN, but I gotta call shenanigins...

Booyah, since it seems you take it to the track, post up your "14 flat" 1/4 timelip.

I looked at GTI's specifically the VR6 vs 1.8T. I know that the 6 makes more horsies (180 sounds right, actually... at the flywheel ;) ) However, 180-200 horsies and FWD does not equal 14 flat.

All your other speed mods (K&N, chip, exhaust, etc.) MAY add 8-10 REAL horsepower.

A 300 rear wheel horse, rear wheel drive camaro (and the extra 750-1000lbs) will run mid to high 13's, and thats if ya know what you're doing.

Hate to rain on your parade, and its just my guess, but you should have stuck with "14s" at least...

[booyah]

sorry, still havent taken any, had the car 2 years...

it looks like a golf... no wings, air dams, big wheels (the breaks JUST fit under 15's, so i run azenis on the 15's)

the best thing about a GTI is its a pretty nice sleeper

[xmetal2001]

Ricers Disturb Me.

I would think that the majority of mag users wouldn't be ricers, or atleast a lower percentage than everbody else in paintball.

[booyah]

hate to purloin PBN, but I gotta call shenanigins...

Booyah, since it seems you take it to the track, post up your "14 flat" 1/4 timelip.

I looked at GTI's specifically the VR6 vs 1.8T. I know that the 6 makes more horsies (180 sounds right, actually... at the flywheel ;) ) However, 180-200 horsies and FWD does not equal 14 flat.

All your other speed mods (K&N, chip, exhaust, etc.) MAY add 8-10 REAL horsepower.

A 300 rear wheel horse, rear wheel drive camaro (and the extra 750-1000lbs) will run mid to high 13's, and thats if ya know what you're doing.

Hate to rain on your parade, and its just my guess, but you should have stuck with "14s" at least...


hehehe, funny you compare it to a camero... a very good friend of mine has a 2001 z28 six speed (310 hp, rwd, yeah yeah yeah, yok AVS es 100s) and i'm right on him to 100. always depends who gets the best launch as to who is in front, but we run the same speed till i run out of 3rd

we run em all the time. also the 98 vr6's are MK3's, and are a good 4-500lbs lighter than the MK4's. officially, whp on the car (slightly improved due to the flywheel, k&n, exhuast, and chip) at michigans elevation was 168hp peak.

combined with better traction due to the azenies, and yeah, 14 is very attainable. considering my best run on the car stock was 14.4. the 14 flat is an estimate based on that, havent been back to the track, but lemme see what i can do next weekend

-Booyah

[SCpoloRicker]

It's funny, cause I was looking at at a 98 GTI just a couple months ago...

Thing was, they wanted 8k for it, and I was also looking at a 2k2 Focus for the same price. I wanted the GTI (cuz its cooler :) ) but four years of use changed my mind.

However, I bought it for the gas mileage, not performance.

For performance, back in high school, I used to drive a Turbo 944 (Porsche :ninja: ). On 10 psi, it dyno'd 228 RWHP. Never made it to the track, and wiped it out changing CDs. That was, oh, 8 years ago :(

Now, I want to build one of three projects;

68 camaro, LS1, C4 running gear, 6-speed
69 fastback stang, crate 351, SN95 Cobra running gear, 6-speed
72 charger, new Hemi, ??? running gear (stupid Mopar), ??? tranny (again)

I might start a casual talk topic about this...

BTW, although anti-rice, I've seen a widebody MK3 with MK2 headlights and MK4 front rear facia... :headbang: Plus, it's got blow-off valves!

Ricker


[edit] 14.4 stock?? :spit_take

also, forgot to vote: Painballers are very much into rice. Case in point //||\\ :shooting:

[eg0_Slayer]

I'm a little biased...I think some ricers can look nice, but I grew up around american cars. I'v got a 68 dodge coronet rockin a 440, bored out 40 over with a whipple supercharger pumpin 15 pounds of boost sittin in my garage right now. not to mention MY 91 RS camaro with a 4.3 L V6 bored out almost 55 over. :headbang: now, of course both cars have the nice, classy paintjobs. racin stripes on the coronet. I've got a little sound system in the camaro. you know. but now, I think there are too many variables to compare the car, and the paintball world. as some would say, apples and oranges. but the basic principle stays the same. and I don't think a little flash can hurt. whether it be a 69 hemi challenger :D , a honda civic :confused: , or an intimidator.
/end rant

[Chris42050]

Well back to the old thread. I got the best gun I could afford and it happened to be annoed allready so that was cool. I like some fashion to my function. Oh and anyway everyone knows the best car is a 5 point 0.

[SCpoloRicker]

Ego_slayer

440 before or after the boring (boreing?)? 15 psi on a 440 :wow:

Know any good sources for Dodge Resto-Mod suspension stuff?

Also, 5.0 = peaky, low torque, but easy to get 300 ponies out of.

Always remember, no replacement for displacement (and boost ;) )

5.0=302, LS1=350, new LS2=383

Ya but, PB, people want their markers to be unique, which is IMO what car modding is about as well. Also, there are some who put the money into flash, others into GOGOGOGO. Either way, you're supposed to enjoy it (cars and PB). If ya do, ya got it nailed! :p

[tony3]

If you can look good, why not? ;)

[Empyreal Rogue]

Seriously....what is happening to AO..... :sleeping:

Sorry, I was making fun of ricers. I do that a lot since I hang out in a semi-ricer community. That side just took over and went nuts, like it does from time to time. Damn schizophrenia. :\

[eg0_Slayer]

SCpoloRicker, it was a 440 before boring out...now its a 480.(we think) we bought it from a little dealership that knew nothing about it except that the guy that owned it before ran out of money restoring it. anyway, I'm pretty sure a 440 is dodge's biggest engine, like the 454 for chevy. this thing eats up anything we put in front of it, about a month ago we raced a suzuki hayabusu...and beat it! believe it or not. was probably luck but still...wow

[tyrion2323]

I hate to brag, but I drive a Mazda Protege. Stock.

Yeah baby, drool all you want!

[ilikePB]

hehehe, funny you compare it to a camero... a very good friend of mine has a 2001 z28 six speed (310 hp, rwd, yeah yeah yeah, yok AVS es 100s) and i'm right on him to 100. always depends who gets the best launch as to who is in front, but we run the same speed till i run out of 3rd

we run em all the time. also the 98 vr6's are MK3's, and are a good 4-500lbs lighter than the MK4's. officially, whp on the car (slightly improved due to the flywheel, k&n, exhuast, and chip) at michigans elevation was 168hp peak.

combined with better traction due to the azenies, and yeah, 14 is very attainable. considering my best run on the car stock was 14.4. the 14 flat is an estimate based on that, havent been back to the track, but lemme see what i can do next weekend

-Booyah


HAHAHA, a 2001 Z28 has an LS1. Unless your friend is a crappy driver, he should be able to nail low 13's. My LT1 T/A runs a 13.9 with nothin but cat back flowmasters and moroso cai. The LS1 from factory is better than an LT1 in just about everyway. But w/e. I consider just about all imports to be rice because they almost all use pitifully small displacemnt engines.To get any kind of power out of those tiny motors you HAVE to use forced induction. The thing is, with a forged crank, pistons, H-beam connecting rods, beefed up valve springs and of course beefed up fuel system, I can push 12-15 psi of boost easy and nail 600+hp. I'd like to see a 4 banger keep up with me then and be street legal, not gunna happen. There's no replacement for displacement.

[Lo¿us]

How can you not be a ricer with DW out there¿

:headbang: Soon to be an owner of the Karta :headbang:

[vonort]

So stuff like Ghilie suits, camo, flatlines, bipods, all the BT-16 stuff for Tippys... all that is performance gear, right? :rolleyes:


Hmm lets see. Ghille suit. if used properly you will never see the user coming. Rice don't think so. Performance most definetly.

Flatline. Only barrel know to actually increase range. Rice??? I would say no dice on that one too. Definetly a performance upgrade.

Bibods. Can't say that I have seen many people use bipods in any form of paintball. But once again if deployed properly it can defintley be a performance upgrade.

Any more stupid Ricer questions on gear? :rofl: :shooting:

[Jackel411]

AHHH HECK NO!!!

I rock an 81 Caddy Coup Deville , Flowmaster exhaust , BANG'in system , and soon to get repainted a darker blue and to ride on low lows... 160 spoke 14s :)

Even my guns show up to be this way.. heck I have an ICD bushy that looks like crap , but shoots faster than most guns , Im a performance nut....

Though it doesnt show in my car , its just an old school low rider :)

Sooner or later Ill get another car ( Ive been eyeing a 85 Sedan Deville that will get air bagged and ride on the frame ;) )

[teufelhunden]

Hmm lets see. Ghille suit. if used properly you will never see the user coming. Rice don't think so. Performance most definetly.

Flatline. Only barrel know to actually increase range. Rice??? I would say no dice on that one too. Definetly a performance upgrade.

Bibods. Can't say that I have seen many people use bipods in any form of paintball. But once again if deployed properly it can defintley be a performance upgrade.

Any more stupid Ricer questions on gear? :rofl: :shooting:

Ghillie suits... because everybody has 30 minutes to find a position and camp there. Almost worth it. Concealment via ghillie works in war, not in paintball.

Flatline. Only barrel known to have a successful gimmick campaign. Paint won't break past the range of other barrels anyway. Seen Flatline shots caught by bare hands.

Bipods. Because paintball markers kick soooo much that you need to put it on the ground. And because they're such sniper platforms it helps you put paint between the eyes, right?

[rkjunior303]

My buddy has a LTD Edition A4 GTI.. The one with the recaro seats, etc.. 1.8T with a Garrett chip.. 180hp + the 40hp and its about 500lbs lighter than the VR6... The thing rips.. he uses it for SCCA races here in New england.

[skife]

i wanted to get an escort and mod it [strip it and cut the muffler off] for SCCA i think it would be kinda fun to race a POS 200 dollar car

[GT]

HELL YEA!

I use to mod a Honda and Mazda board. I have some great stories about some of the moron ricers I would meet on the weekend racing. Hell the domestic owners are just as arrogant as ricers are stupid....

gt

[SCpoloRicker]

no replacement for displacement

1.8T pwn VR6

Hell the domestic owners are just as arrogant as ricers are stupid....

nice :shooting:

I got Pwned! :rofl:

[skife]

no replacement for displacement

1.8T pwn VR6



mmkay, put all that technology of the 1.8 turbo into a 502 chevy...

who's going to win

because after all the technology is added to each motor, in the end there is no replacement for displacement

[GT]

mmkay, put all that technology of the 1.8 turbo into a 502 chevy...



large block motors never reach the volmetric effiency of there small displacement cousins.

for example a bud here in H-town has a turbo'ed 2l right at 460hp, he drives the car to work and gets about 32mpg. Completly streetable.

Now a 2l is about 122 cubic inches, so that would mean you need to make about 1892 hp out of your 502..... and still get 30mpg and it would be completly streetable....

Sorry, the technology is not availble to make large displacement motors anywhere near what can be cooked up under the hood of a 4 banger....

[SCpoloRicker]

We've gotten completely off thread, but JEEBUS

*quote* for example a bud here in H-town has a turbo'ed 2l right at 460hp, he drives the car to work and gets about 32mpg. Completly streetable.


:rolleyes:

I doubt anyone who claims they have ridden in a car with 460 HP. When it's a 2.0 liter car, it almost pains me to even comment.

I said almost. You have got to be kidding me. I mean, if a guy said his small block chevy was putting 460 HP down, I'd think he's full of it. MAYBE if its blown, new internals etc.

Abso-freaking-lutely no physical way, dude.

Show me the dyno. If it's specific enough to be "460" there's gotta be proof. Just like the dude who says he runs 14 flat in his GTI. Go to Kinko's and scan it bro. :dance:

I'll be the first to admit I'm wrong, but I get tired of all the stuff people apparently just fabricate.

Again, are you gonna bark all day long, little doggie, our are you gonna bite :shooting:

-shameless Resevoir Dogs plug-

For the record, I drive a POS ford focus right now.

[edit: "reach the volmetric effiency" priceless... :tard:

[skife]

i drive a 189ci grand am.

[paint magnet]

Booyah - since your car is German, it can't be a Ricer, right? So what's that make it, a Kraut-er? :D

Personally, I prefer the nice '57 Chevy Bel Air sitting in my garage. 350 small block Chevy, Edelbrock 4 barrel, Hurst 4 speed, everything else pretty much stock, and it still hauls. (It will take off in 3rd gear with no problem, I've done it in 4th but it strains a little. Oh man, when it had the 396 in there... :eek: ) I'd like to see any rice rocket do that now, much less in another 47 years. By the way, James Bond drove a Bel Air convertable, can't say I've ever seen him in a Honda Civic though :p :cool:

[Hasty8]

I agree and disagree.

I think that at first the one-time player who becomes a convert and gets their own set-up will go for the glory but after a while it will subside.

Probably after they realise just how expensive it all is.

[ilikePB]

...for example a bud here in H-town has a turbo'ed 2l right at 460hp, he drives the car to work and gets about 32mpg. Completly streetable...


Bullsh*t!!!

He might have a 2L at 460hp(very, very, very doubtfull), but there is no way in hell that it's very streetable at all and it won't get 32mpg. Stop talking, you make yourself sound stupid.

Most people just add up the claimed hp gains from bolt ons and add it to the factory hp rating, doesn't work that way sorry.

[Magglerock]

but I take it refers to the Fast and the Furious crowd. But how did they become known as "Ricers"?

[Empyreal Rogue]

It's actually a derogatory statement. I think?

The term 'Imports' in Car-World means Cars from Japan.

Japanese are often times called "Rice" simply because a lot of Rice comes from Japan. That's where the derogatory-ness comes from. ***EDIT: This statement also refers to the rest of the Oriental World. China, Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, etc., etc.

So a car from Japan, Import, is called a Ricer. How the term evolved from an Import to an Import with all show and no go I have no idea. But that's basically where the term comes from.

See Mango, I'm not ALWAYS crazy. :P

[Butterfingers]

460 HP isnt all that unreasonable in modern day TC/IC ed variants.

There are many stretable EVO 8's and WRX's that hit that point at 2l

http://www.rigoliracing.com.au/videos/trp_8.9_incar.avi

http://www.rigoliracing.com.au/videos/trp_8.9_incar.avi

http://www.rigoliracing.com.au/551hpwrx.html

http://www.rigoliracing.com.au/499hpwrx.htm

http://www.rigoliracing.com.au/428hpwrxalfred.htm

http://www.rigoliracing.com.au/466hpwrx.html

http://www.rigoliracing.com.au/esx_wrx.html

If you are talking about 3.0L turbos the toyota supra reigns king producing over 1000hp out of stock motor internals. The record for the streetable variants being close to 1400 hp on the 3 liter block on stock motor internals.

www.to4r.com

[Chris42050]

460 hp and 32 mpg. I almost fell off my chair laughing at that stupidity. Sorry to be harsh but that one is clearly rediculous and utterly impossible to accomplish at this time even with Hybrid technology. I hope for your sake you were being sarcastic. Its very hard to tell over the net. Anyway when it comes down 2 it with cars. Whatever you do to a small motor to get xtra power out of it you can do to a bigger motor. So how can you really argue that small is better. Only benefit to small motor is weight reduction in motor and usually overall car weight. Hp+torque-weight = speed.

If you dont have 8 dont step up to the pl8

[Butterfingers]

460 hp and 32 mpg. I almost fell off my chair laughing at that stupidity. Sorry to be harsh but that one is clearly rediculous and utterly impossible to accomplish at this time even with Hybrid technology. I hope for your sake you were being sarcastic. Its very hard to tell over the net. Anyway when it comes down 2 it with cars. Whatever you do to a small motor to get xtra power out of it you can do to a bigger motor. So how can you really argue that small is better. Only benefit to small motor is weight reduction in motor and usually overall car weight. Hp+torque-weight = speed.

If you dont have 8 dont step up to the pl8

I generally agree with you but there arent many 8's that come TC'ed fromt he factory. I think there is more benefit from a medium sized well built turboed engine than an N/A 8 cyl engine.

Conceptually at every 14.7 psi of boost you get twice the engine. Cranking it up is easy as fuel system/turbo.

Very easy very efficent very clean. Example: 3.8l Turbo Grand Nationals Ive seen MANY of them eat big blocks for lunch.

I do agree that when all things are equal there is no replacement for displacement. Well at least until they start making gas turbine engines for cars....

[ilikePB]

460 HP isnt all that unreasonable in modern day TC/IC ed variants.

There are many stretable EVO 8's and WRX's that hit that point at 2l...

I'm not saying it can't happen but it's definately not common. There are tons of ricers here in Florida and I have only been beat by one and all my T/A has done to it is cat back exhaust and cai. After I beef up my car I'll be puttin down about 575hp(I know this cause I'm copying someone elses setup and they dyno'd at 575 rwhp) and it won't take much and it'll do it with virtually no strain on the parts I'll be using. How much do EVO 8's cost, from what I heard it's over 30 grand, for that much I could build a McLaren F1 killer. If we are gunna keep goin up, how about the Top Fuel dragsters, 1/4 mile in 4 sec. No import powered vehicle in the world can do that, not one! What does that prove, there is more power potential in bigger American engines.



If you dont have 8 dont step up to the pl8

True.

[ilikePB]

It's actually a derogatory statement. I think?

The term 'Imports' in Car-World means Cars from Japan.

Japanese are often times called "Rice" simply because a lot of Rice comes from Japan. That's where the derogatory-ness comes from. ***EDIT: This statement also refers to the rest of the Oriental World. China, Korea, Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, etc., etc.

So a car from Japan, Import, is called a Ricer. How the term evolved from an Import to an Import with all show and no go I have no idea. But that's basically where the term comes from.

See Mango, I'm not ALWAYS crazy. :P

I don't think anyone means it in a derogatory way axcept in dissing(sp) the cars. I even have a couple friends with ricers that call them that. But if you wanna pretend to be more politically correct or something go ahead and make a big deal out of something that isn't.

:shooting: politically correct

EDIT: I like the gun thing, it's cool.

[SCpoloRicker]

1400 Hp Supra :p

Evo's make about 200 wheel HP, I think. Something like 225 at the fly.

460, even from a high boost engine, is REALLY pushing the motor. Have to increase the boost tons. Probably need all types of new internals.

I'm tempted to stop, cuz you're killing me...

But then again, I think we'll let you keep going. :dance:

STI's and EVO are freaking sweet, though. Gotta give ya that.

[Chris42050]

I do have to admit tho that there is 1 replacement for displacement and that is weight.

[Empyreal Rogue]

I don't think anyone means it in a derogatory way axcept in dissing(sp) the cars. I even have a couple friends with ricers that call them that. But if you wanna pretend to be more politically correct or something go ahead and make a big deal out of something that isn't.

:shooting: politically correct

EDIT: I like the gun thing, it's cool.

I mean that it was a derogatory term towards people of Oriental decent.

[brianlojeck]

but I take it refers to the Fast and the Furious crowd. But how did they become known as "Ricers"?

Because a racing civic, due to the high-pitched whine it makes with it's tiny little engine, was said to sound like a rice-grinder by big american-muscle-car drivers, thus combining racism with automotive humor.

and I drive a 14-year-old Ford Bronco II. Stock, except for the tranny which crapped all it's fluid all over the freeway and ate itself up.

[ilikePB]

1400 Hp Supra :p

Evo's make about 200 wheel HP, I think. Something like 225 at the fly.

460, even from a high boost engine, is REALLY pushing the motor. Have to increase the boost tons. Probably need all types of new internals.

I'm tempted to stop, cuz you're killing me...

But then again, I think we'll let you keep going. :dance:

STI's and EVO are freaking sweet, though. Gotta give ya that.

The Supra's are the king of rice. But, the most hp i've seen one hit w/ stock block is 900hp(still A LOT), not saying they aren't out there with 1,000hp+, I just haven't seen one. The Evo's are actually damn fast for a stock ricer. I thought they were 275hp at the fly wheel, but I could be wrong. I do think you are right on 460hp pushing the internals to the brink. A stock 350(with cast internals) doesn't like to go that high(actually it would probably blow a short while later). Unless those little engines come with forged internals stock, it's not possible on cast.

[Butterfingers]

I'm not saying it can't happen but it's definately not common. There are tons of ricers here in Florida and I have only been beat by one and all my T/A has done to it is cat back exhaust and cai. After I beef up my car I'll be puttin down about 575hp(I know this cause I'm copying someone elses setup and they dyno'd at 575 rwhp) and it won't take much and it'll do it with virtually no strain on the parts I'll be using. How much do EVO 8's cost, from what I heard it's over 30 grand, for that much I could build a McLaren F1 killer. If we are gunna keep goin up, how about the Top Fuel dragsters, 1/4 mile in 4 sec. No import powered vehicle in the world can do that, not one! What does that prove, there is more power potential in bigger American engines.




True.

There is definately more power potential in displacement very true.

However given bolt on mods and what the average joe would do v8's and Turboed cars are generally pretty competitive for the same price in mods.

If we search the EVO forums you can get an evo into the 11's for just around $2000 no nitrous.

The WRX STI can be made to do low low 12's with mere bolt ons.

Both cars pull over .92-.98 g's on the skidpad are AWD and come with BIGarse brembos front and rear.

A Supra turbo will produce over 1000HP! without even touching the factory internals!

For cars that will run 0.98 g's on the skidpad and produce slalom numbers rivaling 911 turbos. Outbrake 360 modenas and generally give high dollar exotics a run for thier money.

They will also eat snow and mud and wont complain.

[ilikePB]

I mean that it was a derogatory term towards people of Oriental decent.

we are talkin bout cars.

[Butterfingers]

1400 Hp Supra :p



1331 is pretty close

www.to4r.com

[Butterfingers]

1400 Hp Supra :p

Evo's make about 200 wheel HP, I think. Something like 225 at the fly.

460, even from a high boost engine, is REALLY pushing the motor. Have to increase the boost tons. Probably need all types of new internals.

I'm tempted to stop, cuz you're killing me...

But then again, I think we'll let you keep going. :dance:

STI's and EVO are freaking sweet, though. Gotta give ya that.


The WRX may need a motor rebuilt abut the EVO definately can handle over 500 whp with stock internals.

[Butterfingers]

Unless those little engines come with forged internals stock, it's not possible on cast.

Yep STI's come with forged internals and Semi Closed Deck Blocks

Supra Internals are Forged

as well as EVO internals

[ilikePB]

There is definately more power potential in displacement very true.

However given bolt on mods and what the average joe would do v8's and Turboed cars are generally pretty competitive for the same price in mods.

If we search the EVO forums you can get an evo into the 11's for just around $2000 no nitrous.

You can get an LS1 Camaro into 11's with bolt-ons (www.ls1tech.com look around the forums).

The WRX STI can be made to do low low 12's with mere bolt ons.

Look at above statement.

Both cars pull over .92-.98 g's on the skidpad are AWD and come with BIGarse brembos front and rear.

I'm not sure on the g's for F-bodies, but I know you can modify the suspension and the frame to get some serious handling abilities.

A Supra turbo will produce over 1000HP! without even touching the factory internals!

They MUST come with forged internals. However with the price of a Supra you could take a used Vette of the same year and modify it to 1,000+hp also.

For cars that will run 0.98 g's on the skidpad and produce slalom numbers rivaling 911 turbos. Outbrake 360 modenas and generally give high dollar exotics a run for thier money.

I honestly don't care to much about handling. I'm WAY more into drag racing. American muscle powered cars dominate the 1/4 mile, argue all you want, go watch NHRA for proof that V8 american cars rule it.

They will also eat snow and mud and wont complain.

I live in Florida so I don't care.


I've seen fast rice and I give it props. I don't diss fast cars. What I hate is the posers with body kits, 5 ft. tall wings, wild paint jobs and a million stickers(with a stock motor) and think they are all that.

[ilikePB]

The WRX may need a motor rebuilt abut the EVO definately can handle over 500 whp with stock internals.

Yeah, I haven't seen em hit 500(not saying it's not possible), but I have seen one with 400hp. That's pretty cool.

[ilikePB]

Yep STI's come with forged internals and Semi Closed Deck Blocks

Supra Internals are Forged

as well as EVO internals

That's pretty cool for stock.

[ilikePB]

However given bolt on mods and what the average joe would do v8's and Turboed cars are generally pretty competitive for the same price in mods.


Yeah, I agree with this for the most part. However, V8's most definately have more hp potential in the long run.

[Butterfingers]

I've seen fast rice and I give it props. I don't diss fast cars. What I hate is the posers with body kits, 5 ft. tall wings, wild paint jobs and a million stickers(with a stock motor) and think they are all that.

Absolutely! I hate that too. Man I want to kill those peeps. The worst is the ricer civic that revs at everything they see. I HATE that.

If I were to build a budget drag car though it would HAVE to be a Turbo Grand National.

Ultimate sleeper would have to be CY/TY's but they are hard to find.

I live in NY snow is a huge friggin problem.

[ilikePB]

If I were to build a budget drag car though it would HAVE to be a Turbo Grand National.

GN's are sweet. My budget drag car is my 94 T/A that I haven't started yet. I'm gunna reduild it, have it bored .030 over, forged pistons, forged crank, h-beam connecting rods, chromoly push rods, some beefy valve springs, Crane gold race roller rockers, a custon ground cam for a turbo, bigger injectors and fuel pump, ported and polished heads, ported intake manifold, and a garret turbo(with some other goodies) runnin about 10psi of boost(550hp) for daily driving and 13-15psi(not sure on hp but it'll be over 600) of boost for kickin posches and other exotics in the arse. I figure it has 167k miles on it so it needs a rebuild anyway so I might as well spruce it up a bit while I'm in there. :D

[Butterfingers]

I might as well spruce it up a bit while I'm in there. :D


:eek:

Thats alot of "sprucing up" !

Are you custom making the turbo kit? I wasent aware of a kit for the LT1.

[steveo356]

well i myself am a american muscle type of customizer. im only 16 n i have in my garage a 74 custom molded hardtail frame. Ive wroked on pickin the right paint job for nearly a year now and im trading my mint condition honda night hawk for a sportster 1000 motor. I don't think youd call it a ricer ... maybe showbike but never ricer. too me a ricer is a car or bike that its all bark and no bite. not to be flaming ne 1 but thats my 2 cents

steveo

[ilikePB]

:eek:

Thats alot of "sprucing up" !

Are you custom making the turbo kit? I wasent aware of a kit for the LT1.

There are 2 Lt1 turbo kits that I know of. Here are the web sites:

STS turbos (http://www.ststurbo.com)
Pro Turbo Kits (http://66.70.20.245/default.asp)

The Pro Turbo Kit is a conventional turbo set up. The STS is remote mount, in some ways the STS sounds to good to be true. Trust me it's not, I know the owner. I met him while I was out in Utah. They have some wicked fast cars with a small amount of modifications. I know I can get at least 550hp with 10psi of boost and the mods I'll be doing. STS rocks.

Turbos= :headbang:

[Empyreal Rogue]

we are talkin bout cars.

Yes I know, I've kept up with this thread quite well.

Someone asked where the term "Ricer" came from and I answered to my knowledge. Then you said something that didn't have to do with cars, lets see...


I don't think anyone means it in a derogatory way axcept in dissing(sp) the cars. I even have a couple friends with ricers that call them that. But if you wanna pretend to be more politically correct or something go ahead and make a big deal out of something that isn't.

Then I said...


I mean that it was a derogatory term towards people of Oriental decent.

Which, in fact, was and might still be.

But I guess to get back onto, sort of, this Car topic- I certainly can't wait till I get a very good paying job so I can build up my Integra. I'm going for a total sleeper look. Keeping the stock rims (which are pretty nice anyway, 8 spoke 16's), Dual Brake Discs and Pads, coil-overs, Turbo, keeping the stock muffler and installing a Butterfly Valve, Injen Cold Air Intake, Front and Rear Strut Bars, Install the gauges into the Glove Compartment, Ceramic Headers, Yokohama AVID H4 Tires, and a Short-Shifter. Just the basics.

The real reason I want a sleeper is because I can't find any very good Body Kits out there. Most of them just don't really appeal to me. But I certainly will miss my 31 MPG on the Highway and 26 City. :\

[GT]

I doubt anyone who claims they have ridden in a car with 460 HP. When it's a 2.0 liter car, it almost pains me to even comment.

I said almost. You have got to be kidding me. I mean, if a guy said his small block chevy was putting 460 HP down, I'd think he's full of it. MAYBE if its blown, new internals etc.




Bullsh*t!!!

He might have a 2L at 460hp(very, very, very doubtfull), but there is no way in hell that it's very streetable at all and it won't get 32mpg. Stop talking, you make yourself sound stupid.




Domestic owners ignorant? no way?

You guys were right it wasnt 460hp it is 445, my bad. 445hp was with the older 63-1 turbo NO NITROUS!

And yes it is a completely built motor, pan to valve cover. BTW he is running all of this through a stock tranny with a quafe LSD.

If you want the list of mods I can send them to you over AIM. You can trust me or not, hell its not even my car but a buds, come down to houston I would love to take you guys for a pants pissing ride.

Its been awhile since I have been out but at last count there were no more than a dozen 10sec street driven, daily driven, Honda's in houston alone.

You can live in denial or step into truth, the choice is yours. Just because the idea is beyond your comprehenssion does not mean it is beyond the grasp of reality.

[SCpoloRicker]

:rolleyes:

[SCpoloRicker]

Its been awhile since I have been out but at last count there were no more than a dozen 10sec street driven, daily driven, Honda's in houston alone.

You can live in denial or step into truth, the choice is yours. Just because the idea is beyond your comprehenssion does not mean it is beyond the grasp of reality.
;)

[Creative Mayhem]

Personally, I think 'ballers and ricers have a lot in common. They each like the performance and looks of their respective equipment. Most ricers will start buy changing the look of thier ride, then performance, as does the average 'baller. I say, If the person is willing to spend the money on the mods/improvemnets then, by all means, have at it and enjoy yourselves.

I think this whole import vs domestic debate needs to be reserved for one of god's and man greatest creations.... BEER! :cheers:


I think we should keep this on topic, or move this to friendly corner.

[LeatherPants]

Well there are tons of Ricers out her in LA. Most of the trend started out here. Now there are also a few fast cars out there. Small displacement and high HP is possible GTRsi should know since he modded Rx-7 forums. 1.3L turbocharged.

High HP daily driven...well yea I had one. Dyno was 411 rwhp. This was on a Garrett based T04s. As far as times go the last time I took it to the track was when it was still modified on stock turbos. 12.3@110. Never had a chance to take the car back to the track after the T04s but similar cars were hitting low 11's with that HP and set up.

I also have two friends who both drive 11 second H cars. One a civic the other an integra. Both are set up with the same turbo and motor config. Both have hit 11's at an IDRC event.

Well here's a couple old pics.

And yes I think paintball is about flash right now.

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/9521/HKS.jpg



And here it is losing "because it's in the script to lose" in the Fast and the Furious


http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/4577/WideShot2.jpg

[FutureMagOwner]

*not reading the rest of the thread*

this the car im looking at buying (well not this exact car, the one im looking at has bad pics, but it looks exactly the same) as soon as i see if i can afford the insurance on monday:

http://www.justmustangs.com.au/forsale/images/47/front-on.JPG


does that make me a ricer? lol

[skife]

that rice doesn't look so bad, actually its kind of attractive.


in my opnion there is 'good rice' and 'bad rice'

bad rice can be found at www.anti-rice.com

good rice is fast, looks clean, and doesn't have the fart pipe

[ilikePB]

RX-7's aren't rice, they are made by Mazda who is owned by Ford. 11's isn't anything special, it's fast but not super fast. High 9's are real fast for a street car. Personally, I know a good amount of Camaros, Vettes and Mustangs that can nail 11's all day, nothing special. However, it is really fast for rice.

[FESTUS33]

To the original ? for this thread,
NO!!!!!!
Performance come's 1'st. But that Do'nt Mean You can't Look Awsome!! at the same time!! :shooting: :cheers: ;)

[LeatherPants]

RX-7's aren't rice, they are made by Mazda who is owned by Ford. 11's isn't anything special, it's fast but not super fast. High 9's are real fast for a street car. Personally, I know a good amount of Camaros, Vettes and Mustangs that can nail 11's all day, nothing special. However, it is really fast for rice.

That's true that there are alot of V8's that can hit those times but most of them also handle like pigs. Give it to Mazda to make a car capable of street 11's and hold over 1g on the skid pad. Not to mention most cars running 9's are on wrinkle wall tires and even though are street driven are not "street" cars.

When I hit 12's that was with full interior, 18's on street tires and full audio/video system, and pump gas. I drove to the track ran and came home.

True nothing beats a nice V8 but most fast V8s are not that comfortable to drive.

[Jeffy-CanCon]

Last time i checked, ghilli suits and camo does make a difference in woodsball...?

No, not really. Camouflage only really works if you are very still, and almost completely covered. You sacrifice movement, and you lose.

And I've seen guys "hide" in hawaiian shirts, or mechanics coveralls.



Ricers Disturb Me.

I would think that the majority of mag users wouldn't be ricers, or atleast a lower percentage than everbody else in paintball.

Maybe. I think we've all seen a fair number of riced-up automags, though.

[Major Jam]

http://www.laughatrice.com/

[Destructo6]

I live in the middle of Ricer Central (Chino Hills, CA). Seems that a lot of the guys that show up with matching, tricked out, paintgun du jour also show up in an overly-winged import.

It's nothing new and, and mentioned, paintball is not the only area that suffers from the phenomena.

[Chris42050]

I love RX-7's. Rotory motors are crazy. They can produce a lot of horsepower with just a tiny motor. You just have to make sure your cooling system is tip top cuz they can overheat very easily. I have a couple of friends with 7's and they handle like a dream compared to my 5.0. But, I still can beat them in the 1/4 mile. My friend is having major work done to his tho, so when it comes back I think he will start beating me. Is the rx-7 & rx-8 the only rotory motor cars?

[ilikePB]

That's true that there are alot of V8's that can hit those times but most of them also handle like pigs. Give it to Mazda to make a car capable of street 11's and hold over 1g on the skid pad. Not to mention most cars running 9's are on wrinkle wall tires and even though are street driven are not "street" cars.

When I hit 12's that was with full interior, 18's on street tires and full audio/video system, and pump gas. I drove to the track ran and came home.

True nothing beats a nice V8 but most fast V8s are not that comfortable to drive.


It's true that a lot of the older muscle cars that run fast 1/4 miles(or slow for that matter) handle like pigs, but not so with the newer Vettes and F-bodies. I'm not into handling so I don't know the skid pad g's and everything, but if you think the newer Vettes and F-bodies handle like pigs you've never been in one. Plus, you can make them handle real sweet with a few aftermarket components. You are correct that most 9 sec street cars run on dot slicks and many of them aren't very streetable even though they are street legal. However, I personally know 3 people with cars(2 V8's and 1 V10) that run high 9's on dot slicks and low to mid 10's on street tires. I also know many, many LS1 Camaros that run 12's with a couple(literaly) bolt ons. Hell, I've seen a couple bone stock LS1 F-bodies hit high 12's. My car will go into the mid 10's when I'm done and it will be very streetable and do it on pump gas. I will have methanol injection when I'm pushing high amounts of boost on my turbo(don't want to detonate). BTW, that mid 10 will be with full interior plus a rollcage, probably on dot slicks though, I think I'd still be in the 10's on street tires, not sure though, I'll find out in about 10 months or so...

I'm not dissing on imports(except for the posers with no real performance), it's just my opinion and preference that American V8's are superior in HP and TQ.

[ilikePB]

Is the rx-7 & rx-8 the only rotory motor cars?

Only ones I've ever heard of that have rotories. Not sure though.

[Destructo6]

Bah, nothing beats a modern sportbike.

http://www.southbayriders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=712&goto=nextoldest

[ilikePB]

Bah, nothing beats a modern sportbike.

http://www.southbayriders.com/forums/showthread.php?t=712&goto=nextoldest

Bikes have their limit when it comes to speed and acceleration. What's faster in a 1/4 mile, top fuel, funny car, or bikes? Top fuel and funny car are faster. For stock, bikes are faster than just about any car that's stock.

[Smoke]

. because with the milling and anno of the timmys, you get some of the best performing guns on the market.


Um...how does this work out exactly?

[LeatherPants]

I'm not dissing on imports(except for the posers with no real performance), it's just my opinion and preference that American V8's are superior in HP and TQ.

I know you're not. I agree with most of your points too. V8 tq and hp is unmatched. It's more of a tech over mech as far as getting power from a import. Where Rx-7s are concerned it was even harder since there is not such thing as detonation in a rotary....only a blown motor.

Do you know how many electronic controls I had on my damn 7! It was like looking at the space shuttle cockpit.


Chris42050- Yup rotaries run really hot and are prone to overheating. I had to run a 2" core race radiator and a vented hood.

Also for your Supra lovers. Yes Supras can get high HP off a stock block but here's a joke for you.

"What do 600, 700 and 800 HP Supras all have in common? 12 second 1/4 miles." Supras have really bad traction problems.

[Destructo6]

Bikes have their limit when it comes to speed and acceleration.
I thought we were talking about street-legal, production-based, vehicles (among other topics)? If that's the case, then Kevin Schwantz kinda solved the question: Is a modern sportbike faster than a modern sports car?

And, it's a heck of a lot more exciting going around a corner fast on a bike than it is in a cage.

[ilikePB]

I thought we were talking about street-legal, production-based, vehicles (among other topics)?

Yeah, that's why I said this...


For stock, bikes are faster than just about any car that's stock.