"Mystery Reg" Unveiled

[spantol]

Well, here it is:

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June 25th. 2004
Due to circumstances within our control AKA is proud to announce the Mystery Regulator tested by Air Soldier Products is theirs! The "Mystery Reg" is the new AKA 2 Liter™. It has the fastest recharge, most flow and is Pressure Compensating. It can take input pressures up to 900 psi and will output up to 500 psi. It's designed for Nitrogen but will work with non-liquid CO2. Made of 6061-T6 aluminum it will be available raw, black anodized and nickel plated. At 2 ¾ inches tall, it is the smallest yet fastest reg on the market.

Also available will be the ASA Extender with Locking ring. You will be able to position any ASA style regulator where you want it and lock it in place. The extensions will be available in 3 lengths.

The 2 Liter™ and the extensions will be available for purchase at IAO.
For more information go to the AKA booth at IAO.
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http://www.akalmp.com/2-liter/mystery-reg-graph.jpg

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http://www.akalmp.com/2-liter/2-liter-2.jpg
http://www.akalmp.com/2-liter/2-liter-1.jpg
http://www.akalmp.com/2-liter/extension-2.jpg

More info here: http://www.akalmp.com/main.htm

[Steelrat]

LOL, you just beat me to it. Another amazing product from AKA. Just look at that recharge, thats phenomenal! I'm just going to miss the cool swivel ring on the sidewinder.

AKA makes great stuff, imagine what they could have done if SP didn't shut down the electronic marker line they made.

[Blazestorm]

Pwnage...

<3 AKA :D

[WickeDKlowN]

Too short IMO, but I suppose that's why there's an extender...

Any idea on the expected cost?

[-=Squid=-]

YES!

I was hoping so much it was AKA, that way I Could throw it on my viking and still be happy with it :)

[GT]

maybe I am lost as to why this actually matters? If am not mistaken, butterfingers, has already proven that the problem is not how fast a 2* reg is but how slow the recharge is on your tank reg.

you could have the fastest LPR and Inline ever made, but the bottleneck is what is connected to the tank.

[Blazestorm]

Scuba! :d

[Paintchucker]

:clap:



sounds almost as fast as the "reg's" in our mags !!!


;)

[68magOwner]

umm, why is faster better? has anyone gotten shootdown from a gun becasue of the reg with any quality reg? if its consistent, thats one thing, but, i really dont care how much faster it recharges if i cant outshoot other regs anyway

[Steelrat]

Why not strive for perfection in a product? I, for one, applaud AKA's efforts here. And it certainly can't hurt to have a great recharge rate.

[-=Squid=-]

Why not strive for perfection in a product? I, for one, applaud AKA's efforts here. And it certainly can't hut to have a great recharge rate.Agreed.

If this was an AGD reg everyone would be saying something different. No offense to AGD or anything... we all know how pissy people can get when I make analogies.

[68magOwner]

Why not strive for perfection in a product? I, for one, applaud AKA's efforts here. And it certainly can't hurt to have a great recharge rate.


i completely agree, its a great product, but, im jsut saying im not going to by one if theres no performance improvement over any other reg that will have a positive effect on my marker, shure, the graph shows its faster, but whose gonna be able to tell when there actually shooting? also, to squid, i dont care who made it, i shoot an SP marker (shows how much i dont care about brand names) if the product is good, i will like it, if not, i wolnt, if i product id good, say batter than the others, like this reg, im still not gonna pay more fore it, or like it more unless there are performance differences i can see, regardless of who made it, if someoen makes a reg that can guarente no flux in fps, i would be much more excited than a reg that guarentees it can recharge fast.

[dansim]

its hideous

[68magOwner]

its hideous
because there trying to force you to buy the extender

[ghideon]

its hideous
The word "fugly" has been thrown around a lot these days...

But that thing IS fugly.

[elpimpo]

pug fugly

[dave_p]

looks like a polished turd.

but if its priced reasonable i may get one for my bko

[magmonkey]

function over form....it may be ugly but so is my clasic mag


and for those saying recharge rate doesn't matter, does it matter for the rt pro? has that not been one of our strongest points as to why the mag is a better design than most other markers is the recharge rate?

[-=Squid=-]

I really like the way that looks.

[SIGSays]

my ghetto reg is better.. look at the charts

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/183/mystery-reg-graph.jpg

[68magOwner]

and for those saying recharge rate doesn't matter, does it matter for the rt pro? has that not been one of our strongest points as to why the mag is a better design than most other markers is the recharge rate?

i never said it didnt matter, i am just saying, once you get to a certian point, it dosent matter, if a reg can recharge faster than you can shoot, does it matter if it can recharge 5 times as fast, or 3 times as fast as you can shoot? if i had a reg that was givivng me shootdown problems becasue it recharged slow, then it would be a problem, but, vey few people actualyy have that problem, so, why get a new reg?

[spyder_technician]

I didn't see the ANS GenX reg on that little list of competitors! Doesn't it currently hold the crown for "highest flow"? I demand a recount!

[Steelrat]

maybe I am lost as to why this actually matters? If am not mistaken, butterfingers, has already proven that the problem is not how fast a 2* reg is but how slow the recharge is on your tank reg.

you could have the fastest LPR and Inline ever made, but the bottleneck is what is connected to the tank.

I thought that a tank would continue to flow, just at a lower pressure. Please correct me if Im wrong, but wasnt butterfingers comparing flow vs recharge? From what I remember, my dynaflow, if set to 800 output, would drop to 600 or something (these arent exact numbers) once the gun is fired, then move up to 800 again, albeit a little slowly. But no matter how fast the gun is fired, it never drops below 600 (high flow). So, the reg is going to see a consistent 600 psi minimum during sustained fire. Now, recharge is still an issue, since my reg is only outputting say 200 psi or whatever into my viking, and therefore the minimum 600 psi output from my tank cannot be a limiting factor.

[spyder_technician]

Yes it can drop. Just because there is 600 psi waiting to come out doesn't mean it will. What I'm trying to say is that the pressure will drop below 200 until the reg can allow the valve to open and bring it back to 200 psi. In reality, the pressure always has to drop. A reg isn't designed provide a constant flow, by design it only supposed to repressurize a volume of air until it reaches a set pressure. Therefore there has to be some kind of dropoff to allow the valve to open and air to flow. It is the control of this dropoff and how fast it can recharge the volume of space to that pressure that makes a reg a good one.

[Steelrat]

Im working outside my realm of knowledge, but if you are talking about pressure dropping in the reg, you are right. The trick is getting it to recharge quickly, which the graph clearly shows the 2L does better than any other reg tested. Some of those seem to be complete junk.

[SIGSays]

fine... ignore mine...

[Jack & Coke]

I wonder if the test numbers would look any different if they put the "extender" on it (since it looks like it screws in between the body of the gun and the reg itself)?

Also, what does the graph indicate? What do the x and y axis represent? ...pressure vs time? :confused:

[Steelrat]

I don't know if the extender would affect it, as it comes after the reg, and is essentially just a tube. As for the graph, im pretty sure its pressure vs time. The prevailing opinion for a while as that the "mystery" reg was a standalone RT reg, due to the phenomenal recharge, until Tom Kaye said there was no standalone RT reg.

[sneakyhacker420]

im definitely picking one of these up when i get the revenge LE

[DiRTyBuNNy]

it may be the shiz...but it still looks like booty...

[sneakyhacker420]

yes, thats true, but i wanna see what it looks like with the extender peice on it

[snwbrdr913]

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/6973/OWNED1.jpg

[68magOwner]

I wonder if the test numbers would look any different if they put the "extender" on it (since it looks like it screws in between the body of the gun and the reg itself)?


good point, it is just a tube, but, it means the air has to trave the extra distance of that tube to get it to the marker, and essentially slowing the recharge rate

[Skoad]

http://home.indy.rr.com/smeek/vikproj1.JPG
http://home.indy.rr.com/smeek/vikproj2.JPG
http://home.indy.rr.com/smeek/vikproj3.JPG

http://www.teamwiseguyspaintball.com/icc/may-icc/images/DSCF4893.jpg

[spyder_technician]

Or you could look at it as more air for the marker to draw from. That pressure would drop fast if the area were smaller. I guess if its true about the phenomenal recharge rate you wouldn't worry about that as much, but I still wouldn't trust it.

[Jack & Coke]

good point, it is just a tube, but, it means the air has to trave the extra distance of that tube to get it to the marker, and essentially slowing the recharge rate

Exactly. Maybe it doesn't affect the recharge rate too much, but you'd think that by increasing the volume post reg, it would alter the conditions for recharging a little...?

Also, if it is indeed a pressure vs time graph, then why are all of the other regs dumping their pressure around the same point (low point on the graph), while the Mystery Reg doesn't?

Does that mean the testing conditions are different for each reg during this test?

There is a certain amount of volume of air between the main valve of the gun and the valve of the reg. If this volume is smaller than normal, would the graph indicate a "faster recharge" rate? Conversly, if this volume was larger than normal, wouldn't this graph indicate a "slower recharge rate"?

If each reg tested yields different volumes, then is it really a fair "performance" compairison?

After all, less volume = higher required air pressure to push to ball up to speed. (which is not a bad thing, it's just that the test conditions are different)

I'm not really sure... I'm just thinking off the top of my head (which is pretty jacked right now considering all the turmoil in Lakerland:()

[GT]

I thought that a tank would continue to flow, just at a lower pressure. Please correct me if Im wrong, but wasnt butterfingers comparing flow vs recharge? From what I remember, my dynaflow, if set to 800 output, would drop to 600 or something (these arent exact numbers) once the gun is fired, then move up to 800 again, albeit a little slowly. But no matter how fast the gun is fired, it never drops below 600 (high flow). So, the reg is going to see a consistent 600 psi minimum during sustained fire. Now, recharge is still an issue, since my reg is only outputting say 200 psi or whatever into my viking, and therefore the minimum 600 psi output from my tank cannot be a limiting factor.


do you shoot at 20+ bps?

[Steelrat]

LOL, I can hit 20 bps if my gun gives me a helping hand ;)

But again, I believe that its important to constantly strive for improvement in products, and this reg evidently represents an improvement.

[DK1]

Exactly. Maybe it doesn't affect the recharge rate too much, but you'd think that by increasing the volume post reg, it would alter the conditions for recharging a little...?

Not really, after the initial gas up, the volume won't matter. The gun will use the same amount of air regardless of the volume there. Thus, the reg won't need to flow any more air than it would without the extender.



Also, if it is indeed a pressure vs time graph, then why are all of the other regs dumping their pressure around the same point (low point on the graph), while the Mystery Reg doesn't?[/b]

Possibly it's just that much of a better design.

[quote]Does that mean the testing conditions are different for each reg during this test?

I'm pretty sure it was the exact same setup for them all.


There is a certain amount of volume of air between the main valve of the gun and the valve of the reg. If this volume is smaller than normal, would the graph indicate a "faster recharge" rate? Conversly, if this volume was larger than normal, wouldn't this graph indicate a "slower recharge rate"?

I'd figure the opposite. More post regulated air volume, I would think, would lead to the reg not having to react as fast... so it would look like faster recharge when in fact it was just air that had already been regulated.


If each reg tested yields different volumes, then is it really a fair "performance" compairison?

Well, if you're testing the regs as they are used on guns... I think it's as fair as it can get. You don't normally adjust the volume of the regs you use on guns, well, I know I don't anyway.

Them's my bits...

DK1

[127.0.0.1]

my ghetto reg is better.. look at the charts

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/183/mystery-reg-graph.jpg

PFFFT... Your reg OVERPRESSURISES... not good ;)

[Jack & Coke]

Well, if you're testing the regs as they are used on guns... I think it's as fair as it can get. You don't normally adjust the volume of the regs you use on guns, well, I know I don't anyway.


I'm not saying you adjust them... I'm just saying that maybe there's less volume to "recover" than the other regs, so naturally the graph will show a "quicker" recharge curve.

What would the recharge curves look like if you compared a standard "short" reg vs. a 12" long reg?

Maybe the recharge rates of this type of graph are more influenced by the volume of air displaced between the gun's main valve and the reg valve, than any type of "flow" characteristics...? Afterall, the bottle neck of the air flowing into the reg is still the main on/off piston assembly in the reg (which are all about the same size).

http://www.warpig.com/paintball/technical/regulators/howtheywork/regulater.gif

[ProX9]

Just Fyi a crossfire tank reg recovers 95% of its original pressure in 10 ms after one shot in an eclipse cocker and a dye throttle took 173 ms to do the exact same thing. Its crazy that the aka reg can match that.

I got the pictures out of a what paintball gear magazine and they tested all the regs on a dyno. the vertical line is the point of 95% recharge. the scale is the same on both graphs and you cant see the dye regs vertical line because it got cut off when i scanned it. the lines which are very hard to see are in 20 ms increments.

[GoatBoy]

PFFFT... Your reg OVERPRESSURISES... not good ;)


It's a good thing that they took care of the mystery reg part, so like others have noticed, now all we need to know are the mystery axes and values!

Until then, I would label the Y axis "bling" which is on a logarithmic scale, and a linear X axis in units of "pimp". In which case, Sig's reg is clearly superior. As your pimpness increases, you can clearly see a greater bling than with the other regs, even at the well documented "bling dropoff point" in the early stages of pimpness.




Good job, SIG! Your reg is teh sex! OMG LOLZ FUGLY! PIMP BLING RASTA A4 PWNAGE 4 EVA RIPZ! BALLAZ!



and uhm...


IT SHOOTS DARTS!

[DK1]

I'm not saying you adjust them... I'm just saying that maybe there's less volume to "recover" than the other regs, so naturally the graph will show a "quicker" recharge curve.

What would the recharge curves look like if you compared a standard "short" reg vs. a 12" long reg?

Maybe the recharge rates of this type of graph are more influenced by the volume of air displaced between the gun's main valve and the reg valve, than any type of "flow" characteristics...? Afterall, the bottle neck of the air flowing into the reg is still the main on/off piston assembly in the reg (which are all about the same size).



I would think that the recharge wouldn't be hurt at all by more volume after the reg. I would guess that it would actually lessen shootdown. The gun should be using basically the same amount of air every shot, regardless of the post-regulator volume. More volume would just mean that the post-reg chamber pressure wouldn't drop as far after a shot.

As for the reg chart itself. The verticle axis represents a total of 200psi. The line the regs are set at is 300psi (the gun's operating pressure), so the bottom of the chart is 125psi, and the top is 325psi. The horizontal distance is 50 milliseconds. Each major gridline accounting for 5ms. The testbed had a solenoid dwell of 13ms.

DK1

[ShaftyMcGee]

all i have to say is they certainly gave it the right name :rofl:

<img src="http://server6.uploadit.org/files/ShaftyMcGee-2liter.jpg" alt="pwned" >

[joez]

Exactly. Maybe it doesn't affect the recharge rate too much, but you'd think that by increasing the volume post reg, it would alter the conditions for recharging a little...?

Also, if it is indeed a pressure vs time graph, then why are all of the other regs dumping their pressure around the same point (low point on the graph), while the Mystery Reg doesn't?

Does that mean the testing conditions are different for each reg during this test?

There is a certain amount of volume of air between the main valve of the gun and the valve of the reg. If this volume is smaller than normal, would the graph indicate a "faster recharge" rate? Conversly, if this volume was larger than normal, wouldn't this graph indicate a "slower recharge rate"?

If each reg tested yields different volumes, then is it really a fair "performance" compairison?

After all, less volume = higher required air pressure to push to ball up to speed. (which is not a bad thing, it's just that the test conditions are different)

I'm not really sure... I'm just thinking off the top of my head (which is pretty jacked right now considering all the turmoil in Lakerland:()


Testing was done under identical conditions. The low point on the graph is where the reg catches up and starts to recharge.. It is the pressure at which that happens. The AKA reg reacts that much faster than the others.

[can'tthink of1]

I was wrong with what I predicted, oh well.

I agree that it is important to strive for excellence in products.

BUT this reg will need to be reasonably priced, otherwise it won't sell because most regs won't give you shoot-down, like my sidewinder, and crossfire tank, and my tribal set at 20bps full auto, I had no shootdown, which is what I hoped, and so this, unless its really really uber consistant, will only give bragging rites to the owner, and its recharge rate though better than others, is just a reason for bragging.

But yet, props to AKA, to bounce back from the dealing with SP and continue to strive for the best :headbang: :clap: :hail:

[Army]

After looking at that chart at least 6 times...I couldn't find where they tested against either AGD reg/valve. Hmmm, curious.


Or, do they already know that they really don't have the fastest?

[sneakyhacker420]

AGD doesnt have a standalone RT reg - and a standalone RT reg was what was first thought to be the mystery reg

[sneakyhacker420]

all i have to say is they certainly gave it the right name :rofl:

<img src="http://server6.uploadit.org/files/ShaftyMcGee-2liter.jpg" alt="pwned" >LMFAO

[Steelrat]

After looking at that chart at least 6 times...I couldn't find where they tested against either AGD reg/valve. Hmmm, curious.


Or, do they already know that they really don't have the fastest?

Sneakyhacker is right, people were swearing up and down that it was the RT reg, as it blew everything else away. Then TK went on record as saying that it wasnt the RT, and they would not be making a standalone RT.

Any further comparison with the RT reg is pointless, since they cant be used in the same application. Better to compare it against regs that can actually be used against other guns. And they rightly claim that the 2L is better than all those regs. Why try to create an argument where none exists?

[thei3ug]

I wonder if the test numbers would look any different if they put the "extender" on it (since it looks like it screws in between the body of the gun and the reg itself)?

Also, what does the graph indicate? What do the x and y axis represent? ...pressure vs time? :confused:

Actually, the larger the post-regulated volume, the less of a pressure drop there tends to be. It's the entire concept behind LPCs in cockers. If you were running High Volume, Low Pressure, and your valve chamber was too small, your reg would end up choking the valve, so you add more volume.

Regulators will always recharge the same, and buffer zones can be pretty important when your reg takes 10 seconds to recharge 90 percent. Not quite as big a deal now, but some of those regs have quite a large post volume. but i consider it part of its performance features, not a makeup for a defect.

Have Blue made these dynos. He used the same setup. I believe it was a tribal, using 300 PSI, same input, muffler...

[11_Mile_TMaster]

I don't know if the extender would affect it, as it comes after the reg, and is essentially just a tube. As for the graph, im pretty sure its pressure vs time. The prevailing opinion for a while as that the "mystery" reg was a standalone RT reg, due to the phenomenal recharge, until Tom Kaye said there was no standalone RT reg.



That sounds like a challenge. ;)

It makes me wonder, though, how difficult it would be to make an Inline reg from an Xvalve, though. Sure, it would be ghetto-tastic, but... Imagine the recharge rate!

... It's begging to be done, now.

Quick, someone get me a spare X-Valve, a rail, and some tapping equipment. :dance:

[Butterfingers]

Anybody open this thing up yet.... I would be curious what the internals look like...

[magmonkey]

I will have one here to crack open soon .... I almost know what I will see ...

[FlawleZ]

i never said it didnt matter, i am just saying, once you get to a certian point, it dosent matter...

Agreed.

Sorry this is a bit off topic but, this is the same situation for Electros as well. It doesn't matter what guns are rated at, what they can cycle or shoot, it's how fast you can pull your trigger, and in Semi-Auto mode, I've got money that there are VERY few who can actually pull FASTER than even guns made 3-4 years ago. The Angel LCD was rated 16 BPS. Who can pull their fingers faster than 16 BPS?

[Army]

Stand alone reg, built in reg...so what, they have to do the same job, right?

If they advertise the Mystery Reg as the fastest aftermarket stand alone reg in the world, you would have no comments from me.

But a reg, is a reg, is a reg, is a reg.

Theirs recharges fast, ours recharges fast...theirs works at high pressure, ours works at high pressure...theirs is an addition to an existing design, ours has always been there as part of the design.

Just because the AGD reg is unique in its application, does not make it incomparable to any other, especially when making the claim of the worlds fastest. It's not apples and oranges, it's just another variety of apple.

[nicad]

magmonkey-
I'm pretty sure what it will look like as well. the keyword "balanced" i think says it all.

ps- off topic- are you with destructive customs? If so I have been trying to get ahold of yall on and off since Feburary. :-/

out!

[Steelrat]

Stand alone reg, built in reg...so what, they have to do the same job, right?

If they advertise the Mystery Reg as the fastest aftermarket stand alone reg in the world, you would have no comments from me.

But a reg, is a reg, is a reg, is a reg.

Theirs recharges fast, ours recharges fast...theirs works at high pressure, ours works at high pressure...theirs is an addition to an existing design, ours has always been there as part of the design.

Just because the AGD reg is unique in its application, does not make it incomparable to any other, especially when making the claim of the worlds fastest. It's not apples and oranges, it's just another variety of apple.

I'm guessing the AGD one still might be better, but since it can't be slapped on any other marker, I can't see AKA even thinking of throwing the RT reg into the test. But you are correct, the add does imply that it was better than any other reg, and that isnt strictly true, since the RT isnt in there.

[cledford]

I was one of the guys to originally say that the mystery reg was the RT - until Tom went on record about it not being a AGD product.

Anyhow, this whole time I've been looking at the top of the chart - the part that looks like the end of a RT recharge. Anyhow, looking at the *bottom* I'm wondering why the 2 Liter doesn't completely dump like the other regs in the Haveblue test. As far as I can see it rechrages really fast 0 butthen again it doesn't appear to have hadas far to go...

-Calvin

[-=Squid=-]

Who can pull faster than 16 bps?

I for one know that I can...

[BlackVCG]

It was stated earlier that the AKA reg. doesn't "dump" as much as the other regs. because it "reacts" faster. While this may be true, the "reaction" time is entirely dependent on how fast the gun dumps air from its chamber and the dwell time of the valve in the gun. Assuming it's an electronic gun with a poppet valve.

The performance really doesn't mean anything because the output pressure is obviously higher than most of the other regs. Shift the output pressure down in line with that clump of reg. recharge curves and then look at how "impressive" it is...

[DK1]

The performance really doesn't mean anything because the output pressure is obviously higher than most of the other regs. Shift the output pressure down in line with that clump of reg. recharge curves and then look at how "impressive" it is...

Actually, unless I completely missed what you're getting at, it's just that none of the other regs made it to the original pressure very quickly. The CCM and Fatty both got back to original PSI slower, and the ICD reg overpressurized. The rest of the regs didn't get back to the starting point. If you look at the line where all the origins are, you can see that they are all the same. All the regs were set to 300psi output.

As a side, the tests weren't ran by AKA, and afaik nor were they specifically for testing this individual reg. Haveblue just likes to dyno stuff... this reg got tossed to him, so he put it to the dyno.

DK1

[Steelrat]

^^^^^^^^

I think DK1 is correct, its not that the 2L was set higher, its just that most of the regs failed to reach their original pressure, at least within the time period shown on the graph.

Its odd, but I seem to sense some reluctance to accept the performance of the AKA reg. You know, there are companies other than AGD that make great stuff. AKA really took it on the chin when they went up against SP, lets at least give them kudos for continuing to come out with superior products.

[TheTramp]

Considering how many people here go on about the best cps I suprised that there isn't more excitment about this reg.

An inline that can re-charge this fast is one more more bump that been smoothed out in the road twords the 35 bps people think they need.

[FSU_Paintball]

AKA makes great stuff, imagine what they could have done if SP didn't shut down the electronic marker line they made.


Hmmmmm.... Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm..... wait and see ;)



P.S. I would like to see how this stacks up against an RT. Too bad AGD doesn't make an inline RT (well, not as of now anyways).

[PsychoBaller]

Does look like a little turd.... still think AGD's valve is better, and 3)... its a little turd

But props to AKA for maintaining their ability to make new great products despite the SP Nazis

[matt-o]

TK should make an inline RT reg, cant be too hard to adapt the reg from the RT mags to fit as an inline, its already super small too

[-=Squid=-]

TK should make an inline RT reg, cant be too hard to adapt the reg from the RT mags to fit as an inline, its already super small too
TK has already stated you cant adapt the Retrovalve reg to an inline. I believe I read that somewhere anyways...

[Evil Bob]

This just in.... AKA has just received a cease and desist order from Smart Parts, as AKA's new reg is in obvious violation of SP's latest patent on "AIR" and anything having to do with moving air. Your lungs are also in direction violation so expect to be receiving a request to have them removed.

-Evil Bob

[FutureMagOwner]

man first microsoft took my skin now smart parts is taking my damn lungs!

[nicad]

you laugh, but look up patent #5,957,119.. I'm willing to bet 2Liter is using what they are calling a "pressure balancing device" -- a balanced spool poppet valve for the input. I guess AKA made it the right way tho, seeing that the maxflow uses this same technology (or at least used to), but they are almost on the bottom of the chart!! how sad.

out!

[mkmckinley]

looks like a polished turd.


Everyone knows that you can't polish a turd.

I like it when stuff looks like this. Clean lines. Solid.

[mkmckinley]

TK has already stated you cant adapt the Retrovalve reg to an inline. I believe I read that somewhere anyways...

Not exactly a retor valve, but I have an old Air America reg that's pretty much and inline AIR reg: it even uses the same reg seat.

[DiRTyBuNNy]

does anyone know why the Custom Products Reg wasn't tested?

[Blazestorm]

Because he didn't have one?

[DK1]

does anyone know why the Custom Products Reg wasn't tested?


Yup, HB tests what he's got. Donations are heartily accepted though, I'm sure.

DK1

[warthog2t0]

how much are they?