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PyRo
08-10-2004, 05:31 PM
Whose seen this, and who wants to buy me one? :)
Kind of puts that Ford GT to shame now don't it? Go mopar :)

http://www.detnews.com/2004/autosinsider/0408/01/b01-226132.htm

magman007
08-10-2004, 05:46 PM
the ford gt will be very hard to beat, and that thing looks like crap compared to the rest of the worlds supercars, its plain, it isnt vulgar enough, compared to the SLR or the carrera gt. The koenigsegg and the Zonda even look better than that.

The slr is still the best car to date IMHO

Kevn 419
08-10-2004, 05:54 PM
i think it is pretty neat...

PyRo
08-10-2004, 06:39 PM
0-60 in 2.9s
1/4 10.6s
top speed of 248 or 249 (forget which)

850hp compared to fords 550
850 ft/lbs of torque compared to fords 500


Plus it looks better.

Whats does the GT have that it doesn't?
Fords specs:
0-50 2.90 sec.

0-60 3.60 sec.

0-70 4.70 sec.

1/4 Mile 11.78 sec.

60-0 Braking 111.00 ft

AcemanPB
08-10-2004, 07:24 PM
0-60 in 2.9s
1/4 10.6s
top speed of 248 or 249 (forget which)

850hp compared to fords 550
850 ft/lbs of torque compared to fords 500


Plus it looks better.

Whats does the GT have that it doesn't?
Fords specs:
0-50 2.90 sec.

0-60 3.60 sec.

0-70 4.70 sec.

1/4 Mile 11.78 sec.

60-0 Braking 111.00 ft

I think the GT looks better and it's A LOT cheaper.

Snertz
08-10-2004, 07:58 PM
Dunno why, but I just love how that thing looks, pretty clean lines, yet lumpy enough to not be too plain. haha..

bornl33t
08-10-2004, 08:25 PM
eh it's a chrysler... it won't make it to the end of the 248miles to see how fast it goes in a hour anyway.

bofh
08-10-2004, 09:18 PM
Whats does the GT have that it doesn't?


Um, GT's are actually being sold and delivered?

PyRo
08-11-2004, 01:45 AM
Um, GT's are actually being sold and delivered?
No they're not. A GT was sold and delivered :)
Crysler better sell these or i'm going to write them a strongly worded letter and buy a ford to spite them :)

bofh
08-11-2004, 04:43 AM
No they're not. A GT was sold and delivered :)
Crysler better sell these or i'm going to write them a strongly worded letter and buy a ford to spite them :)

The second GT is being delivered this week. It was pre sold.

GT's have been sold. A GT has been delivered. Which is more than the ME 4/12.

I'd guess a 60% chance that they will actually make them, and if they do, it had better truely awesome, since there are better looking supercars out there. No one would buy a Ford GT if it wasn't for it's nostaliga. I doubt anybody would buy a supercar Chrysler without the same backing. And frankly, the ME 4/12 is kinda ugly.

ps. If you're gonna be such a mopar lover, spell the name right at least. :)

bofh
08-11-2004, 04:43 AM
I think the GT looks better and it's A LOT cheaper.

Have they set a price for the ME 4/12 yet? How do you know if it's cheaper or not?

billybob_81067
08-11-2004, 01:53 PM
Have any of you checked out the Ford Cobra Shelby Concept?

Shelby (http://www.stangnet.com/2005shelbycobraconcept/)

I think they should drop a powerstroke in there!!! :headbang:

Big'n slo
08-11-2004, 02:10 PM
Whats does the GT have that it doesn't?



A history and loyal following?

Thordic
08-11-2004, 03:40 PM
The Shelby, assuming it goes to production, is supposed to be priced to compete with the Viper.

IE, in the 80-90,000 range.

So it beats both the abovementioned cars (Except in looks, the GT is sexier).

PyRo
08-11-2004, 04:24 PM
Arn't all of the above cars faster?...

magman007
08-11-2004, 04:28 PM
if you all really want the inside scoop, i reccomend downloading some episodes of TOP GEAR off of


http://gear.viper007bond.com/downloads.php


the gt has the highest track rating if i remember correctly :)


correction 3rd, only behind the carrera gt, and the SLR :)

logamus
08-11-2004, 04:34 PM
that car was in last months playboy, if you happen to read the articles.


bofh, its not that pyro is a mopar fan, he is just extremely anti-ford. but you knew that already.

pputkowski
08-11-2004, 04:52 PM
They are not going to produce this car and yes they are going to produce the gt. My local dealership has two of them on order.

GT owns it because it actually exists...

CoFFeY[NiTrO]
08-11-2004, 05:23 PM
http://www.cadillac.com/cadillacjsp/models/allVehicles_flash.jsp?type=concept


i like the16, and cien

PyRo
08-11-2004, 06:31 PM
that car was in last months playboy, if you happen to read the articles.


bofh, its not that pyro is a mopar fan, he is just extremely anti-ford. but you knew that already.


But pyro is a mopar fan, and is extreemly anti-ford :)

bornl33t
08-11-2004, 07:34 PM
But pyro is a mopar fan, and is extreemly anti-ford :)

It's ok to be anti "whatever" but unless it's a moral issue it's not ok to voice the anti-ness, unles you are expecting an argument. I found that out a while back too....so unless I'm looking for an argument, I just voice my opinions at all.

The alternative would be to point a lazer pointer into someones eyes, they like that about as much

Automaggin2
08-11-2004, 07:52 PM
0-60 in 2.9s
1/4 10.6s
top speed of 248 or 249 (forget which)

850hp compared to fords 550
850 ft/lbs of torque compared to fords 500


Plus it looks better.

Whats does the GT have that it doesn't?
Fords specs:
0-50 2.90 sec.

0-60 3.60 sec.

0-70 4.70 sec.

1/4 Mile 11.78 sec.

60-0 Braking 111.00 ft



I would LOVE to see Chrysler to put out a car with those specs. For one thing, the speed would be governed to way below that top speed. I dont think they can even afford to build a car with those specs and compete with ford. Those are specs you would see in a million dollar car, like the McLaren F1s.

I can guarentee you those are not production numbers.

PyRo
08-11-2004, 08:59 PM
It may be a million dollar car. They are considering producing 20 a year at 1 million each, or a few hundred at a lower price. Even if they don't make a whole lot of money off the car which they probably won't it does alot for their image. People will see this thing, or hear that Crysler makes the fastest street car and will go look at other Crysler products.

I don't think they have to govern it that much, i'll bet they could get away with atleast 160 and even then how hard is it to get rid of the governer? Its a matter of making a small modification to a chip or whatever the car has. I also doubt that anyone who just spend a million dollars on a car is going to be driving it that fast.

barberjohn
08-11-2004, 08:59 PM
the ME 4-12 has been known for quite a while now, but is still a very sweet proto in my eyes. i would buy that thing just to hear what 4 turbos sound like :D . i bet the blowoff is deafening!

bofh
08-11-2004, 09:10 PM
It may be a million dollar car. They are considering producing 20 a year at 1 million each, or a few hundred at a lower price. Even if they don't make a whole lot of money off the car which they probably won't it does alot for their image. People will see this thing, or hear that Crysler makes the fastest street car and will go look at other Crysler products.

Or... it's possible that CHRYSLER might want to take a stab at LeMans. This is the kinda of production car that could do it.

If they make it? Limiter over 200mph, or no limiter. It's a supercar, people will drive it fast, or try to.

Chrysler There's an "H" in it.

bofh
08-11-2004, 09:11 PM
oh, and any bets if M-B lets the ME 4-12 be faster then the SLR?

PyRo
08-11-2004, 09:34 PM
I don't know about that, there are a decent amount of lamborghinis, Ferraris, Vipers, Porsches, etc around here and I have yet to see anyone driving one fast.

PyRo
08-11-2004, 09:39 PM
Is the SLR a definate or just a concept?
They have alot of work to do to get that SLR up to the same specs as the four-twelve. I wouldn't imagine that they would be to concered about it. I've heard about 350k for the slr compared to the million for the 4-12, or even if chyrsler brought down the price I would guess a minimum 500k.

bofh
08-11-2004, 09:47 PM
Is the SLR a definate or just a concept?.

McLaren will be doing the production, I'd say it's a bit farther on than the ME 4-12. Even if neither of them have prices yet. :)

PyRo
08-11-2004, 09:50 PM
I know neither of them do, I was just going by what a few minutes of reaserch yeilded for estimated prices :)
Want to take bets that the 4-12 will be more expensive than the SLR assuming both of them are made? :)

They would also need to pull another 300hp or so out of somewhere which I think would require a decent amount of work at this point but maybie they will.

magman007
08-11-2004, 10:21 PM
the slr is an amazing piece of work, and it is a deffinite for production. it is my favorite super car to date, all carbon fiber body, the ceramic brakes, and its only a shade slower than the carrera gt. the thing sounds like a freekin spitfire. it is amazing

barberjohn
08-12-2004, 02:44 PM
unless you have already been on the waiting list for the SLR, and thrown down whatever outrageous sum of money to keep that spot, then you wont be getting one for cheaper than 500 grand i bet. Enzo's are going for near a cool mil since there is such a demand for them. which sucks pretty bad, because nobody will ever drive one, just keep it in their showroom, and then sell it after a few months.

rehme
08-12-2004, 06:21 PM
does it really matter which of these cars is faster because there is like no way any one could afford one in less you like win the lottery.

PyRo
08-13-2004, 07:40 AM
Trust me plenty of people can afford them. One house I worked on this summer cost 30 million so far and is still under construction. When the house is done we are going to start work on his fourth three car garage and the grounds keepers house. The guy also bought a 5 million dollar apartment in the city which he is having redone for probably another couple million. Then he is buying a house in the hamptons and having it redone. I cannot remember off hand all his cars and I havn't seen them all yet. But there is an Escalade, a few suburbans, a Bently, one of those 120k or so sporty mercedes thing, a new pickup truck a 50's ford pickup in mint condition, a mercedes station wagon, and a few other things. The furnishings in this house must have cost him a minimum 10 million. He makes about 80 million a year. He could dump a million dollars on a car without even thinking about it.