Watching Paintball Sucks, and is BORING.

[M-a-s-sDriver]

I just got through watching the Derder 300 fps and Pan Am Vegas...What a bore.
It's really no wonder paintball will never be a succesful TV enterprise.
Also, watching paintball from the sidelines live is equally boring unless there is something personal at stake, like watching a buddy win, or a hated enemy lose. This is a compilation of all the BEST footage from a tourny, yet it's all the same crap: Bunkering, yelling, gun throwing, cheating...over and over.
I realized about 3 months ago why a dislike playing paintball now. Because the fields are all the same basic design, with the same basic tactics to win, there is NO drama from game to game, no heroic moves, and inspirational play. None.
Every game I am in or watch has the same componants, namely: Roll guns on the break, back guys shoot the lanes, grab the 50's, insert the tapes, get the lucky shots, 3 or 4 on 1 bunker the last guy out, complain about the 1 for 1, shout out what a badda22 you are.

That's it.
The team that does that the best wins.
I would LOVE to see some assymetrical fields, weak sides, layouts with an obvious advantage for defense on one side and offense on the other...stuff like that.
Apparently, the day of inspired play and inventive tactics are long gone. That's why I play a lot of pump anymore. If you play against other good players it is FAR more exciting, and you have to play a more intelligent game to survive.
Paintball is a game that is ONLY interesting playing, not watching, and then only if there is some variety interjected during play.
Paintball is definatly NOT a spectator sport.
Brent. :cuss:

[ntn4502]

I personaly like watching paintball(ofcourse not as much as playing).

You say its boring watching the same thing over and over...what the hell man, thats all profesional sports, watch Sportscenter, I have never witnessed a baseball highlight of a man stealing second only to be attacked by a polar bear. Give me a break.

[StormSurge]

RIGHT ON!

rant on:

I am personaly SICK of *NO CUSSING* SUP'AIR tourneys and the whole world championship in general. Everyone is shooting gun that put out no less than 10 bps. Everyone is carrying atleast 2000 paintballs on their back. Everyone is using the same frigging tactics. I am sick of watching them spray their googles with crap that makes mask hit look like splatter hits. I am sick of players having 18/20 inch barrels so they can bend the obsticles around their gun like bending a ballon. I am sick of just watching all the players wipe like it's their job.

rant off:

I still long for the days when woods ball tourneys were "popular". I long for the times when players would do things like having bleed valves in their gun so they could trick players into thinking their gun was having problems. I do so miss the game I knew when I was growing up...

[ZSigErik]

I personaly like watching paintball(ofcourse not as much as playing).

You say its boring watching the same thing over and over...what the hell man, thats all profesional sports, watch Sportscenter, I have never witnessed a baseball highlight of a man stealing second only to be attacked by a polar bear. Give me a break.


Good point, thats exactly what I was thinking. Its the same watching football or other sports. You wait for that one play that one moment where something spectacular happens and it makes you want to watch more.

Humans naturally gauge thier interest in something based on "check points". We go from rush to rush, and pending on how few or far between they are is where our interest may lay. Just something interesting Ive observed.

[Adrenaline_Junkie]

Storm and Driver, if ya dont like it then dont watch it. No one cares about the fact that you dont like watching it. Its no different than watching any other sport. You say all the fields are the same, PAINTBALL HAS THE WIDEST VARIETY O PLAYING FIELDS BESIDES MAYBE GOLF! All that being said dont watch it if ya dont like it or SHUT UP! Your reasoning behind your hating watching paintball is totally pointless and full of BS. Both of you have been added to THE LIST :shooting:

:rofl:

I know leave with a friendly reminder, KEEP IT TO YOURSELF!

Flame Away You Paintball Hating Wierdos! :rofl:

[StormSurge]

Adrenaline Junkie, your comments are pointless frigging stupid. I am glad I have been added to "the list" as if it really matters. Paintball has become homogenious and if you cant see it, your just frigging BLIND!

[tony3]

I just got through watching the Derder 300 fps and Pan Am Vegas...What a bore.
It's really no wonder paintball will never be a succesful TV enterprise.
Also, watching paintball from the sidelines live is equally boring unless there is something personal at stake, like watching a buddy win, or a hated enemy lose. This is a compilation of all the BEST footage from a tourny, yet it's all the same crap: Bunkering, yelling, gun throwing, cheating...over and over.
I realized about 3 months ago why a dislike playing paintball now. Because the fields are all the same basic design, with the same basic tactics to win, there is NO drama from game to game, no heroic moves, and inspirational play. None.
Every game I am in or watch has the same componants, namely: Roll guns on the break, back guys shoot the lanes, grab the 50's, insert the tapes, get the lucky shots, 3 or 4 on 1 bunker the last guy out, complain about the 1 for 1, shout out what a badda22 you are.
That's it.
The team that does that the best wins.
I would LOVE to see some assymetrical fields, weak sides, layouts with an obvious advantage for defense on one side and offense on the other...stuff like that.
Apparently, the day of inspired play and inventive tactics are long gone. That's why I play a lot of pump anymore. If you play against other good players it is FAR more exciting, and you have to play a more intelligent game to survive.
Paintball is a game that is ONLY interesting playing, not watching, and then only if there is some variety interjected during play.
Paintball is definatly NOT a spectator sport.
Brent. :cuss:

Wow, where to start. You claim paintball is the same over and over. What about ALL sports. If one team in basketball works the ball good, and passes good, gets open shots and makes it they win. If they can get rebounds, close the lane, and defend outside shooters they win. It is simple. I have seen heroic moves in paintball. I saw a trauma player take 4 All americans out in a game in chicago.

How about in basketball one side of the court has a longer 3 point line then the other to make it more of a challenge. Or how about we deflate the ball for one football team whenever they get possesion. To make it more strategic on defense. GIVE ME A BREAK! You are telling me its fun to watch soccer? It is personal preference of what interests you. I'd watch an xball match over any other sport. Some people think baseball is boring as hell. Personally, being the big baseball player/fan I am, I love watching it.

You make some of the most general arguements I've ever seen that can be brought into any sport. If you do this, that, this, that is a sport you will win, it is the same in all sports. Between soccer, hockey, and Lacrosse(sp?), I could take a few naps during the games and watch some leaves blow in the wind between games and be more entertained. IT IS ALL ABOUT WHAT YOU LIKE TO WATCH.

[Gabriel]

I just got through watching the Derder 300 fps and Pan Am Vegas...What a bore.
It's really no wonder paintball will never be a succesful TV enterprise.
Also, watching paintball from the sidelines live is equally boring unless there is something personal at stake, like watching a buddy win, or a hated enemy lose. This is a compilation of all the BEST footage from a tourny, yet it's all the same crap: Bunkering, yelling, gun throwing, cheating...over and over.
I realized about 3 months ago why a dislike playing paintball now. Because the fields are all the same basic design, with the same basic tactics to win, there is NO drama from game to game, no heroic moves, and inspirational play. None.
Every game I am in or watch has the same componants, namely: Roll guns on the break, back guys shoot the lanes, grab the 50's, insert the tapes, get the lucky shots, 3 or 4 on 1 bunker the last guy out, complain about the 1 for 1, shout out what a badda22 you are.

That's it.
The team that does that the best wins.
I would LOVE to see some assymetrical fields, weak sides, layouts with an obvious advantage for defense on one side and offense on the other...stuff like that.
Apparently, the day of inspired play and inventive tactics are long gone. That's why I play a lot of pump anymore. If you play against other good players it is FAR more exciting, and you have to play a more intelligent game to survive.
Paintball is a game that is ONLY interesting playing, not watching, and then only if there is some variety interjected during play.
Paintball is definatly NOT a spectator sport.
Brent. :cuss:


All football, baseball, and basketball games have symmetrical courts, similar tactics, and a fairly guessable strategy. What excites the crowd is when something unexpected comes, the same reason as with paintball. And once again, paintball is a much bigger GAME than it is a SPORT. So even if "pro" paintball fails, which i dont hope for but is possible, the "rec" portion (a much much much larger portion of the game if i may say) will never die. So i dont see why our game has to be a sport to make it enjoyable... but that's just me. I guess my priorities are all wrong, having fun and winning no money, or making it not as fun and winning money. Im kinda screwy like that... :tard:

Gabe

[Gabriel]

wow, tony beat me to it...

and I love the repetetive usage of the word "friggin" in your post Storm. Really an intelligent way to make your point.

Gabe

[ojhspyro89]

I just got through watching the Derder 300 fps and Pan Am Vegas...What a bore.
It's really no wonder paintball will never be a succesful TV enterprise.
Also, watching paintball from the sidelines live is equally boring unless there is something personal at stake, like watching a buddy win, or a hated enemy lose. This is a compilation of all the BEST footage from a tourny, yet it's all the same crap: Bunkering, yelling, gun throwing, cheating...over and over.
I realized about 3 months ago why a dislike playing paintball now. Because the fields are all the same basic design, with the same basic tactics to win, there is NO drama from game to game, no heroic moves, and inspirational play. None.
Every game I am in or watch has the same componants, namely: Roll guns on the break, back guys shoot the lanes, grab the 50's, insert the tapes, get the lucky shots, 3 or 4 on 1 bunker the last guy out, complain about the 1 for 1, shout out what a badda22 you are.

That's it.
The team that does that the best wins.
I would LOVE to see some assymetrical fields, weak sides, layouts with an obvious advantage for defense on one side and offense on the other...stuff like that.
Apparently, the day of inspired play and inventive tactics are long gone. That's why I play a lot of pump anymore. If you play against other good players it is FAR more exciting, and you have to play a more intelligent game to survive.
Paintball is a game that is ONLY interesting playing, not watching, and then only if there is some variety interjected during play.
Paintball is definatly NOT a spectator sport.
Brent. :cuss:



Your opinion sucks.

[Adrenaline_Junkie]

Storm and Driver have been....

http://www.bestmessageboardever.com/uploads/post-5-1090552353.jpg

:rofl:

[slade]

i think ill refrain from taking sides in this flame war :ninja:

if you dont like watching paintball tournaments, then dont. if you dont like speedball, dont play it. if you dont like woodsball, dont play it. if you dont like a certain part of the sport, then just stay away from it, you dont have to flame about it. id personally rather watch paintball than any other sport, but if you dont like watching paintball, thats fine with me. just keep quiet about it.

[StormSurge]

Wow, I love it when people use ghetto buzz words ( you got served ) to tell me that my view on current ideas and beliefs is unpopular. Oh, by the way, I DONT CARE IF I MAY HAVE USED "FRIGGIN" TOO MANY TIMES. Way to try to invalidate my argument BY NOT ADRESSING THE "FRIGGIN" issue.

Forget this forum...

[ramennoodles]

i think the problem is not that paintball is boring and repeats itself, i think the problem is that you are watching 300 fps, which uses the same material over and over.

[personman]

lol.

[evo.end3R]

personally i like to watch people that are better than me, watch their moves, see where they prevail and fail, then learn from what happens, and also u know how they play if u are up against them later...just my 2cents

[M-a-s-sDriver]

Remember...you are served by your servant.
I guess "owned" has finally been used to death.

[jesseyo13]

you said it ramennoodles (isac, lol). Der Der makes the game look like its the same every time. I hate der der with a pasion. It just shows all the cheating and the whining in the sport.

[hAppy]

I agree! Watching paintball is insanely boring. Unless you are watching your own friends or AO. But PB videos are horid, all you see are guys standing behind bunkers shooting 244325 bps, and every so often you'd get a HOLY CRAP BUNKER!!!. The videos just aren't that exciting. I could care less about who wins what tourny.

[wombo102]

i personally love watching paintball on tv. it rocks. but if you dont like watching it then...um...i guess that is ok with me. but like slade said "just keep quiet if you dont like it".

[nt2004]

I agree you should just keep your opinion to yourself. All you've accomplished is a flame war and if you dont like this forum then leave. You wont be missed

[minimag03]

I also enjoy watching better paintball players on video. It helps learn new tatics to use in my game. Also, I'd rather be watching paintball than a bunch of other crap on tv right now.

[68magOwner]

meh, i like watching it

[Adrenaline_Junkie]

Wow, I love it when people use ghetto buzz words ( you got served ) to tell me that my view on current ideas and beliefs is unpopular. Oh, by the way, I DONT CARE IF I MAY HAVE USED "FRIGGIN" TOO MANY TIMES. Way to try to invalidate my argument BY NOT ADRESSING THE "FRIGGIN" issue.

Forget this forum...

No Storm, FORGET YOU!!! :rofl: :shooting:

[GT]

I think all you guys that say you should keep your comments to yourself are missing the point of AO. If we all agreed 100% of the time, the majority of posts on AO would be "pics of my new mag," o'wait a sec......


I also think watching paintball is pretty dam borring, but to be honest paintball has alot more problems to address before it should ever consider wide syndication.

gt

[hAppy]

I agree you should just keep your opinion to yourself. All you've accomplished is a flame war and if you dont like this forum then leave. You wont be missed
There's no flame war...
We are just saying if we like it or not, it isn't offending anyone. It'd be funny if someone got butthurt hearing that pb videos are boring.

[Bad_Dog]

ok, lets settle down children...

your opinion is your opinion; to share it on a forum like this one is exactly what forums are for, to speak, share and or voice your opinion all with a common interest... thus to see a thread like this is truly dissapointing :nono:

I for one will not add my opinion to this thread seeing as of how it has become a flame war.

and by the way... this is definatly worthy of a rolleyes... :rolleyes:

[ojhspyro89]

10 dollars says he will linger here and eventually show up later.

[Blennidae]

I am also of the opinion that its boring to watch on TV. Every time its on TV I am interested in watching, but then once I'm watching it, I'm reminded it is boring.

Those of you who pointed out that other sports play on a symetrical field are missing out on one point. Something I never really noticed until Tom Kaye mentioned it at the AO CA day.

Other sports have a focus object that is constantly in motion. The "ball" itself. You watch to see which team can move the ball to its intended goal the best. Paintball as it is played now does not have that, and I believe that is a major portion of why its boring to watch.

[evo.end3R]

i like to go to the field at watch people and learn how to play a field better, and as far as the vids online, some are ok but most suck, they zoom in too far, if they had like an overview of the whole field it would begood, i think...the only not boring online vid i saw was like dynasty vs someone and one of the guys got pissed off and peppered a reff and then all the rest of the refs jumped onto the guy and threw him to the ground...the rest of it was boring tho, i dont like the zoomed in stuff..like i said i like waticnhg it in real life becuase u can se everytihng and i actaully learn and i try new things, and invent my own tactics

[nt2004]

There's no flame war...
We are just saying if we like it or not, it isn't offending anyone. It'd be funny if someone got butthurt hearing that pb videos are boring.
are you serious? Read the posts, theres some definate flaming going on. Its not so much the topic, its how the posts are worded. "Your posts are friggin pointless" and "Forget this forum" sounds like flaming to me

[evo.end3R]

are you serious? Read the posts, theres some definate flaming going on. Its not so much the topic, its how the posts are worded. "Your posts are friggin pointless" and "Forget this forum" sounds like flaming to me



:nono:

[hAppy]

are you serious? Read the posts, theres some definate flaming going on. Its not so much the topic, its how the posts are worded. "Your posts are friggin pointless" and "Forget this forum" sounds like flaming to me
Well the guy probably wanted to start a flame war. But there is none, so nothing to worry about.

[Crazy]

xball

[LawnGnome7]

You say its boring watching the same thing over and over...what the hell man, thats all profesional sports, watch Sportscenter, I have never witnessed a baseball highlight of a man stealing second only to be attacked by a polar bear. Give me a break.


how cool would that be to have polar bears running around on the field during a game

[M-a-s-sDriver]

Actually, I'm not trying to start a flame war, I could care less about that.
But since there are some sensitive children in the room let me be more concise.
I was kind of watching these vids in anticipation of seeing some good ball. The problem as I see it is the repetitive play style that exists.
I may also have a different perspective than some of the younger folks. I remember my first NPPL in San Diego in '94. I remember how the AA's ANNIHILATED us in this field, using crawlers in the reeds. There were fields where you established a "hold" side and a "push" side.
I watched one game where the then amature Avalanche sent 6 guys down a left tape, 1 guy in back yelling positions, and 3 crawlers that just ran hell-bent and dropped into the rabbit paths in the reeds. You could actually see one crawler go through a path, and see the other team's guy cross the same path 1 minute later. THAT was drama.
Still boring as hell on TV though.
What I am saying is the game is degenerating from what is was, and could be.
I personnaly hate playing the same field backwards and forwards all day. I may get bunkered, but nobody is going to do anything that is going to surprise me.
I played at SAC Pump Day last month and ths sponser has built a field on his back lot. It was SO MUCH MORE INTERESTING to play that field because of all the holes, wierd lanes, tree tunnels, and angled bunkers. It allowed some of the weaker players to hammer guys like me because of all the holes they could shoot through, and places to move you would not normally expect. You knew there was a weak side. You used it to your advantage.
But it would still be boring to watch on TV, at least TO ME.
I have seen some truly GREAT games, just not in the last 2 years. I'm getting where I can call the entire game, kill for kill, on just about any air field, after watching the first game.
How fun is that from the spectators perspective?
I do understand the value of watching DVD's to improve your game and learn, but that does not make them less boring. Have you ever been glued to an algebra textbook for hours on end?(without a gun to your head).
Besides, a DVD shot from above with some expert analysis would give you far more information than a bunch of bunker moves at the end of a game.
Anybody can bunker the last guy out... It's the easiest thing in paintball.
There...is that any clearer?
Love and understanding,
Brent

[hAppy]

Watching sports isn't my thing. Sitting on the couch and watching people run around isn't all that great. But I would consider watching woodsball and scenarios! B/c that is surely something new, there's more "suspense" compared to speedball. If you know what I mean :tard:

[tony3]

I think all you guys that say you should keep your comments to yourself are missing the point of AO. If we all agreed 100% of the time, the majority of posts on AO would be "pics of my new mag," o'wait a sec......


Nice post, I agree 100%, I hate when people state a counter opinion then people say, "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all".

[penguinpunk555]

I love watching ball...

You,your life,AND you mom are boring.

[Gabriel]

whoa, somebody got offended because i corrected his grammar...

I am just trying to make this an intelligent debate, which i see is a lost cause... oh well. I'm staying out of it now.

Gabe

[M-a-s-sDriver]

Penquin, Don't be an idiot.
Do not get personal, I did not attack anybody personally, just expressing my opinion.
Thank you.
Brent.

[pbgr9]

i think tournament pb would be better to watch if you new were all the players are and were there are shooting and running to,


what if they had wide screen camera behind were you start so you can see the hold field you could see everthing . make it split screen one team on top one on bottom

NOW TO MAKE IT SO YOU CAN SEE WERE A PLAYER SHOOTS , what if you put a little lazer on your gun and when you shoots you can see on t.v. the paint fly , like when you watch nfl football you can see the first down line but instead of a long line you see a ball fly( and it does not have to be on every pull of the tirger, the first pull you see it then two blank shots then again on the forth shot so the hole screen is not covered in paint flying . you can make it fly just like a real paintball (rainbow). now it is only to see were a player is shooting because if the lazer ball on tv hits a player of couse he is not out . plus you can make one teams paint on tv blue and the other teams white . you can still have cameras up close so you can see bunker runs and thing like that.

what do you think?

[minimag03]

There is big difference between a digital staionary line in football moving and thousands of moving paintballs. I would like to see the guy that could firgure out how to do that. And now I'm going to use this smily because no one ever does

:spit_take :spit_take :spit_take :spit_take :spit_take :spit_take :spit_take

oh yeah, welcome to AO!

[pbgr9]

well they could play on a ten sec delay so the camera can pick up the paint

also like i said you can make it show up on tv once every 3 pulls 5 pull 6, 7 whatever works for tv , but i has to be on the first shot of a string balls and if you slingle shoot your gun slower then 6 or 7 bps it will show up ever time something like this

and i think some one can make it ( not me ) because it can use things from video games like dpb

and that line in foot ball can be used just put it on you gun and have it turned on and off with tirger pulls

[Head knight of Ni]

You guys weren't at the NCPA finals. The High school teams were good for a laugh when every 5th game you could see an "AGG" move. AKA poorly thoght out and manuvered moves.

Heroic moves
In the college division I got to see a great game where it came down to a 1on3 and the one guy made a spectacular run to bunker the whole other team winning.

Fun/funny
In the long break between games at noon some of the college players broke out into a "Civil War" game that was awesome.

EDIT: oh yeah I liked it more than the PSP Orlando open.

[Blazestorm]

Until you play x-ball. You cannot talk about tournies at all.

I just got back (well ok 5 hours ago) from playing x-ball at Cedar (Captain of CDR, check Div 3 standings)'s personal x-ball field, it was tight as hell, was only charging us 30 bucks a case, 5 bucks to cover setting up the field and air (4500 fills at the beginning of the day, it dies off towards the end) Sold me an NXe Tank cover and Barrel condom I needed for 20 bucks. Most fun I've had in a while, especially with Cedar coaching me in a 2v1, My loader crapped out on me (Wouldn't feed AT ALL) So he handed me his freestyle and I dropped my friend's viking, managed to dodge around ninja style and shoot out the 2 guys (the last guy I shot was shooting at me, so it was kind of a tie.. but still cool) It's truly a unique experience that cannot be replicated, Nobody judged you by the gun you shot, the clothes you wore, or how you played. All they cared about was having fun and getting better at the sport they love. Nobody was cocky, nobody was an ***, everyone was very cool and was definately one of the most fun times I've had.

Don't go talking **** about tournaments when you haven't experienced the true greatness in the tourney play that real ballers enjoy. Playing at Cedars is exactly what paintball is ALL about, there is nothing greater then playing with those guys. I got shot, I shot people, people got bunkered, people bunkered, we had laughs and a great time. That's what it's all about.

[1ofkind]

We'll I've seen some pb vids and I agree. I feel they don't use the proper camera shots at all. Like when both teams break I'ed like to see a very wide shot, or a split screen of both team breaking and running to there bunkers at once. Its way to mixed up, you pretty much have no clue whats going on within all the scenes.

Right now its a low budget, independent film thing thats going on. I'm sure is steven felsberg made a NPPL vid he would capture all the drama and intensity going on if he was incharge with his multi-million dollar budget and highly expirenced crew.

[AFImonk]

I love watching Paintball. Weather its a movie or im on the sideline, its fun!

[logamus]

i find baseball to be painfully boring to watch. guess what, i dont watch it. 300fps makes some of the WORST vids on the market, but hey if watching the game bores you, if playing the game bores you, if everything about the game bores you then go find something else to fill your time.

[Blazestorm]

Everything in Paintball, should be made by players, for the players. Including videos, derder is a company made of players who decided to put their cameras and editing skills to work in a sport they enjoy playing. They wanted to produce videos that got people excited about paintball. I watch 300-fps before I'm about to go playing (Or the night before) because it gets me pumped up, people getting shot, bunkered, lit-up, off the breaks. Everything gets me pumped for the first game of the day, it carires on from there. But seriously, they did a good job on that, I enjoy continually watching it, it doesn't get old or boring even though I know what's going to happen.

People need to stop complaining about things, unless you're going to do something about it, don't *****.

I hate it when people say "Man I hate my gun, it always chops paint and everything every-time I play." Well install some ACE on there, or set your ROF cap lower, or get a faster loader. Don't just ***** about it and do nothing from there. Same goes when you're talking about cheaters. Don't ***** and say "Oh man I hate playing with those guys, they wipe and play on all the time dude, it's gay." Then tell the owner of the field and the head ref what you tend to see with a certain group of guys and tell them to watch them more closely. I played at one field a few weekends ago, I shot multiple people, watched the ball break, they rather tucked behind their bunker and wiped it, or played with it still there. In x-ball practice with Cedar, everyone called out instantly, I sniped Cedar's pack sticking out because his team didn't see me move, and literally the moment I hit his pack, his hand went up and he yelled "damnit joe... " it was funneh. But anyway, we experienced no playing on, no wiping, no cheating of any sort, because everyone are friends here, just here to play. We don't have to win to have fun.

[MayAMonkeyBeYourPinata]

I think and overhead camera could do wonders for paintball videos, and paintball on tv

[yakitori]

blah....everyone just blah. blah blah blah.

:sleeping:

[LoveMyMagMoreThanYou]

Until you play x-ball. You cannot talk about tournies at all.

I just got back (well ok 5 hours ago) from playing x-ball at Cedar (Captain of CDR, check Div 3 standings)'s personal x-ball field, it was tight as hell, was only charging us 30 bucks a case, 5 bucks to cover setting up the field and air (4500 fills at the beginning of the day, it dies off towards the end) Sold me an NXe Tank cover and Barrel condom I needed for 20 bucks. Most fun I've had in a while, especially with Cedar coaching me in a 2v1, My loader crapped out on me (Wouldn't feed AT ALL) So he handed me his freestyle and I dropped my friend's viking, managed to dodge around ninja style and shoot out the 2 guys (the last guy I shot was shooting at me, so it was kind of a tie.. but still cool) It's truly a unique experience that cannot be replicated, Nobody judged you by the gun you shot, the clothes you wore, or how you played. All they cared about was having fun and getting better at the sport they love. Nobody was cocky, nobody was an ***, everyone was very cool and was definately one of the most fun times I've had.

Don't go talking **** about tournaments when you haven't experienced the true greatness in the tourney play that real ballers enjoy. Playing at Cedars is exactly what paintball is ALL about, there is nothing greater then playing with those guys. I got shot, I shot people, people got bunkered, people bunkered, we had laughs and a great time. That's what it's all about.
So, Where is that and when is NWAO going? :D

[Blazestorm]

LOL You goober... I'd have to talk to Cedar, I'm sure he'd be cool with setting up a saturday to go play.

The downside is that it's at Mount Vernon, a helluva drive, but damn well worth it. The x-ball field rocks, the paint is cheap, and the air station is tight.

I shalt talk to him sometime this week about that...

[Battlewear]

I think every one has made some good points..

I have been playing this sport for over 10 years now, still love it like the first time I tried it... Some times it drives my soul and other times not, but it is FUN..

Now I have seen a lot a video's and such and the shows on TV and that sort of thing.. Sure there are lots of problems with all of them but that is where people doing the video's learn.. I for one just did my first video, nothing great, was about 10 minutes in length of a Big game.. Sure parts of the video sucked but it was fun to watch with the music and such.. Did I learn something? Yea, things I would like to do more with the next video.. Will I be able to? I doubt it just due to cost.

The thing is, we as players may like or dislike something, either way sound out, but do it respectively. Tell the company how you feel and what suggestions you might have.. You never know when they might take a suggesion of yours and bring it into the video's.. Remember, talk to them like a professional, dont bash them or tell them they make crap, they wouldnt listen to you and either would I.. If you came to me and suggested a different camera angle for that great bunker shot or like suggest split screens for the break, you know I might just say yea and thank you for it, or even hire you to help! ;)

The thing is, be respectefull.. If you dont like to watch them then that is cool, if you do then enjoy them. Best of all though, get out and play and have fun..

BTW, Once I have the video reedited and done up I will find some where to host it (it is currently freaking HUGE! over 77 Megs for 10 minutes!!) but has fairly good clarity and some decent classical rock tunes ( was done to a Big Game set for Viet Nam).. I would love to get some feedback once it is completed..

Thanks all.. Keep your hoppers full!
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[slade]

I think all you guys that say you should keep your comments to yourself are missing the point of AO. If we all agreed 100% of the time, the majority of posts on AO would be "pics of my new mag," o'wait a sec......


I also think watching paintball is pretty dam borring, but to be honest paintball has alot more problems to address before it should ever consider wide syndication.

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im not saying that you shouldnt keep your opinions to yourself, im saying that we should try to avoid a flame war. weather or not you like to watch paintball or you like playing a certain style of paintball cannot be changed. i love speedball and dont like woodsball. my friend likes woodsball and doesnt like speedball as much. that most likely will not change. its personal preferance, and starting a thread saying "i HATE (insert something here)" can only lead to two sides with unrelenting opposing opinions, spewing out endless arguments and comments like:

Your opinion sucks.
and

Forget this forum...
oh, and by the way, M-a-s-sDriver, you said that you did not intend this to be a flame war. just look at the title of the thread. how could you NOT see that this would turn into a flame war?

[Skoad]

I didn't read the whole thread.


I like to watch. I watch almost every chance I get to. It's a lot better if your reffing or being a camera man. It isn't as fun just sitting there watching people play.

As far as paintball dvds go it really is a tossup. Some I like, some I don't, and some in the middle. I do like derder's work, they usually catch a nice chuckle out of me every couple minutes or so.

Pick up a video camera, go film, make your own movie. It's really fun to shoot and edit. Especially when you shoot this awesome view, or catch some awesome move.

[Konigballer]

whats the big deal about a little Flame War, what did anybody die because of it? Hopefully anyone who really lost lost their temper over a online thread and started crying can wipe the running eyeliner off their face and grow a pair .

I thought we were just debating. Anyways, maybe televised paintball is boring, but not anymore than golf and thats been accepted by mainstream television for years. Whatever floats your boat. :argh:

[Miscue]

I think it's boring to watch too unless - the teams are really good and/or I know who is playing.

[FreakBaller12]

Well that wasn't derder's intention, they packed it with excitement, I don't think they wanted it to be like let's sit down and watch what happens, and analyze that. They packed it with excitement to make you want to go out and play. To make you not even watch the rest of the vid, grab your gear and go out and play some ball.

You're clearly looking for something that isn't offered(i dont know of any) a video that analyzes game by game move by move. This would be a wise move to move into video editing and do just this. I think alot of people here on AO would enjoy that. It'd be cool to see the pro's technique's and just bunkering. But also seeing bunkering off the breaks and such are always fun to get your adrenaline pumping. Although this type of video wouldn't sell as much (IMO) there would still be a market for it.

[LoveMyMagMoreThanYou]

LOL You goober... I'd have to talk to Cedar, I'm sure he'd be cool with setting up a saturday to go play.

The downside is that it's at Mount Vernon, a helluva drive, but damn well worth it. The x-ball field rocks, the paint is cheap, and the air station is tight.

I shalt talk to him sometime this week about that...
GREAT, it's 10min from my house!! AWESOME!! :D :D :D

BTW, to be on topic, I've been playing for a long time, somewhere around 10 years, and I still love this game. I find watching paintball to be somewhat confusing on tv because the cameramen can't possibly know where the action is going to be and I believe that a lot of tape is wasted to get the shots you see. I don't think that it will ever be successful as a live tv event but I did like the coverage of the World Cup by OLN.

[gc82000]

I guess it depends on the style of play. Like myself, I am a tourney player and I enjoy watching the vids except Derder's to much jumping and I thought they focused to much on the aspect of cheating and *****ing. The highlight of the vid was the guy who threw up at the end, and the girlie fight. That was funny.

[azza]

Personaly I think paintball will never be very attention grabing on tv. Theres just too much happening on the feild at one time for cameras to track properly.

Also these paintball vids that have all this great action footage, how much time went into actual editing before these were released publicly? Im guessing alot of time went into making the footage as dramatic as it is.

IMO to make paintball truely tv friendly as most popular sports, you would need almost a camera for each player on the feild! Not to mention high angle cams and ones im premium locals of the feild to catch the best action.

Plus there are too many flaws in the game (including xball) that need to be overcome before paintball can be truely presented properly on a large scale. But that is a differnt topic entirely.

Cheers
Azza