Terrible inefficiancy with retro valve. is it supposed to be this bad?

[SOAD8789]

Well, im kinda pissed at my retro. it shoots wonderfully, but compared to my old classic, it sucks gas like crazy! i got a good 800 shots out of a 72/3000 with my classic, but with the same tank, i only get 500......so i get a bigger tank. now i have a 90/4500 nitroduck xstream and i get....around 900. is it normal? do i have some serious problem?

[Flow_Tech]

sounds about right..do you have level 10?

[SOAD8789]

yeah, i have a level 10 with the longest, most inefficiant spring ;) ok, i just wanted to make sure i didnt have a screwed up mag. more input would be great

[RoadDawg]

Well when it's all cleaned and broken in it should come down a bit. As with my Retro & Xvalves I average 800+ shots on a 45/4500 @ 750 psi output.

[SOAD8789]

hmm....what all should i lube? i have my output set at 900 psi, if that matters much, but i had it 800 when i was gettin that inefficiancy, just turned it up to 900 today, and i'll probably keep it there...

[Marc D]

Well I use a 68 3000 set @ 850 psi, I get 350-450 shots.

[RoadDawg]

Honestly I oil mine with PMI pball oil and clean it after every use. No big secret ingredients or anything. I do use a adjustable tank (AGD Flatline) but even when I had a 48/3k preset I was getting at least 500+ out of a tank and it had 900 psi output.

[cphilip]

use the middle (red) spring always.... Its the best compromize beteen softness and air efficency.

[SOAD8789]

i personally like the long spring, thats what i used on my old level ten'd classic, and i got good enough efficiancy, and with the middle spring i would occasionally get chops. i just need to know exactly what to oil to make it shoot good. all input is greatly appreciated!

[RTDynaflow]

I would say listen to cphilip. I can't chop even the cheapest tourney paint with mine. Atleast when it is working... :rolleyes:

I feel your pain, I only get about 700 shots out of my 68/45. I was testing this guys viking the other day and I probably put about 3k shots on it (about 1000 or so was dry firing) and I still had air. Now I have to buy a viking. It was too sweet. I think that is why my RT is leaking now.... She knows I'm cheating on her.... :(

[Z-man]

900 rounds from a 90/45 is a bit weak IMO. I can get easy 1,500 off my 88/45 Max-Flo. so you shoud be getting a bit better than that. Might just need some break in time.

[SOAD8789]

well, i dont wanna use the red spring.....because why??? i still get chops!!! and its not all too inefficiant, since i used to get 700 good shots off a 72/3000 with my old classic. i use the long spring on my classic too.....


WHAT DO I NEED TO LUBE??? i need to know that, i dont think its been lubed in about a month.

[RTDynaflow]

still chopped with the red?? :confused: Crazy.

Lube the o-ring in the power tube and the bolt. Some in the asa. /shrug besides that??

[RoadDawg]

I rub oil along the stem of the LX bolt, and put a few drops in the air inlet and dry fire it for a few minutes w/o a barrel. To clean it, I break it down, wipe down all the gunk along the powertube, and bolt and open it an inspect the orings every couple times of play. If it's been more then a month since I played I'll re oil all the orings in my powertube, and check my seals before the day of play. That's about all I do.

[SOAD8789]

yeah, i chopped with the red spring, it sucked! i got paint all in the powerfeed....

ok, thanks for the advice, i'll try it out, see what happens.

[trains are bad]

open it an inspect the orings every couple times of play.

Bad idea. If it's not broken leave it alone. Word.

[RoadDawg]

Bad idea. If it's not broken leave it alone. Word.
That doesn't do much good if I get to the field and an oring has gone bad. Especially since none of the fields carry mag replacement parts. It's a thing called preventive maintenance. It's just like a car. If you don't catch a problem early it can end up costing you more then what it should.

[trains are bad]

hmm well I go for months/years without haviing anything internal go wrong with my mag, and if it ever does it takes ten seconds to flop new parts in it at the field.