apoc2k confusing me

[mag88888]

i just got my apoc2k in the mail today. where do i fill it? there is a LP thingy and a HP thingy. which one do i fill it in? and how do i connect the tank to my gun, hose wise. i got a quick disconect. do i take the nipple off and put the quick disconnect on? also how do i change the output pressure? just give me a run down on the apoc2k.

[JoshK]

fill it through the nipple
screw the elbow into the side of it (like a regular asa) (the qd can be screwed in here

[mag88888]

which nipple? there is the HP and LP. which one? im really confused. and the quick disconnect doesnt screw onto either the HP or the LP. what are the differences between the HP and LP?

[Muzikman]

Fill via HP and LP goes to the gun.

Leave the nipple on the LP side and put a female QD on it. Put a 90º the female QD and then your hose up to gun.

[Shane-O-Mac]

Ok,
The HP nipple is for filling the tank, it is the one closest to the tank
The Lp nipple is closer to the front of the reg (it is a QD nipple), and that is your output port.

To connect your QD, to the reg, you will need to remove the lp male qd nipple, and use a 90 degree elbow, then use the qd nipple to connect your qd female part (the part that has a slide on it), then hose to your AIR valve.

When first filling it, turn reg OFF, then fill to 2000psi or so, and connect everything up to your gun. then SLOWLY open the on/off and watch the output gauge and listen for leaks. if you want higher pressure the turn the adjuster in, or if you are looking at it from the front, clockwise. and counter clock wise to lower it. if at first it leaks, make sure it is adjusted past 200psi output.

When connecting the nipple and elbow to your reg, DO NOT USE TEFLON TAPE! use either blue loc-tite or red loc-tite. you only need 2 drops on the first 3 threads of the elbow and nipple, then install. Make sure the loc-tite is wicked all the way around the threads. DO NOT USE MORE THAN 3 DROPS OF LOC-TITE.

You seem sort of inexperianced, so i would suggest taking the apoc and your gun to your local proshop and see if they can help you set it up. If you do it yourself, take you time, and think things thru, if you have any problems, email me or call AA and ask for Ted, he can help you also. Tell him i sent you if you call!

Shane-O

P.S. the use of Caps was not to yell, but to stress importance of what i was saying.

[Gunga]

RTFM! (http://www.airamerica.com/store/manuals.php) :tard:

[1977FordBronco]

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[ToTalChaos]

Be carefull gettin that bottle filled. I have the Apoc 2k also.

I took mine in today and the moron tried to fill on the wrong nipple..

PoP!!

lost the lp burst disk..didnt hurt the gauge thankfully..( I havent even played a game with it yet)
:mad: :mad: :mad:


I'm working on finding an alternate quick disconect to put on it to prevent this from happening again.

[mag88888]

ya i didnt want themto fill it on the wrong nipple either. i wasnt there when it was getting filled, only my dad. she turnedit on and it blew the ca off he putput nippl like a bullet. since the apoc2k doesnt bleed the line i am getting a slide valve. what do you guy do for that problem?

[1977FordBronco]

get a "slide check" any decently stocked pro shop should carry them along with all the other air fittings, ect. You can just use a quick disconnect, but you're disconnecting the hose with several hundred psi still in the line, just do it slowly, but if you can get a slide check i would go with that over the qd.

[mag88888]

i have a quick disconnect and it has air in the line and i blows off. a guy at air america told me to get a slide valve cause this is dangerous, the hose could whip me in the face or something. oh and are slide valves as the guy at air america called them the same as slide checks?

[11_Mile_TMaster]

I'm ASSUMING they're the same as slide checks. Don't quote me on that.

I use a slide check for my Flatline system... and I reccomend them for anyone using any sort of on/off setup, be it on an adjustable tank or a screw-in with an on-off knob (i.e. the PsychoBallistics drop/ASA combo.)

[mag88888]

so the slide check bleeds the air out of the line to your gun, right?

[JoshK]

how much are these, and were can i get them? Also...do you know were to get new nipples? (mine died :( )

[mag88888]

paintball newbie- what kind of tank do you have? screw in or what?

[JoshK]

mine is screw in... but i changed what i said...i would need one for the asa...and i need a new nipple bad (mine...like i said in my old post...is dead :cry: )

RIP Nipple

[alooney11]

Slide checks have quick disconnects. Check out aci or ans for their slide check/qd. Install it with a 90 elbow on the lp port of the apoc. When you slide the slide check gas is released through little holes, you can then use the qd as if there is no pressure in the lines. When removed slide again and gas is released from with in the hose and the x-valve.

[mag88888]

i want the line to bleed by itself when i turn my apoc2k off not when i disconnct the qd.. so what will let me do that?

[mag88888]

i have the cradle that came with my apoc2k and t seems sorta loose. i understand that i put the cradle on the bootom of my grip and then you slide the tank into the cradle. but when you tilt the gun back the tank starts to slide out of the cradle. am i doing something wrong here because i would like my tank be a bit more secure?

[JoshK]

where can i get the slide valve things? how much? picture of what it looks like?

[Muzikman]

http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=NRpUB4uQXUhUW8pGjmqUr4E2PWswXWYrwyc=?Pro ductID=Ho6sFAY73M4AAAD73Qv_aBgp

That is a Slide Check valve. Basically how it works is this. When you push forward on the slide, it turns on the air flow. When you pull back it shuts off the air flow and discharges air from the line.

The other thing you can get is called a Pro-Connect. It's a check valve and quick disconnect in one. It works on the same idea as a normal home air compressor disconnect, only it's small and runs at a higher pressure.

http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=NRpUB4uQXUhUW8pGjmqUr4E2PWswXWYrwyc=?Pro ductID=_aKsFAY76X8AAAD3A3ilA_2t

The Pro-Connect is more expensive, but it makes your setup a lot cleaner and smaller.


As Shane stated above, air fittings are nothing to fool with. If you do not understand how it all goes together, take it to your local pro-shop and have them put all the fitting on for you. If you do not have a local pro-shop, I am sure someone like Tuna would be willing to do it for a small fee (+ parts).

[mag88888]

http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=NRpUB4uQXUhUW8pGjmqUr4E2PWswXWYrwyc=?Pro ductSKU=039-5501

will that work? its cheaper than the pro connect that someone said up there bu it says it does the same thing for 30 bucks less.

[Muzikman]

I do not know anything about the ACI Check Valve/QD. I do not know how safe it is.

[1977FordBronco]

i have the cradle that came with my apoc2k and t seems sorta loose. i understand that i put the cradle on the bootom of my grip and then you slide the tank into the cradle. but when you tilt the gun back the tank starts to slide out of the cradle. am i doing something wrong here because i would like my tank be a bit more secure?

There is a retaining screw on the top front half of the rail. Slide the tank onto the rail and tighten the screw down. simple as that

[mag88888]

is it the tinier screw with the tiny hole. if i tighten it where will t tightn into. i dont want to tighten the screw into my reg.

[mag88888]

ok i figured the siuation with tightining the screw into my rail. i would think they would have somehihtng so we dont have to scratch ur regs by tightiing screws into them.

[Muzikman]

Why? You'll never see it. That is the way all dove tail mounts work.

[mag88888]

ok whatever.

[dahvaio]

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The Pro-Connect is more expensive, but it makes your setup a lot cleaner and smaller.



Muzikman,

You seem pretty knowledge about the air-systems. I just purchased a Armageddon Tank and have the same types of disconnects that can be purchased from AGD. After reading your post, I went ahead and purchased the Staubli Pro-Disconnet with on/off.

Currently everything I have is brand new and never been used. What would be the best way to connect the tank to my gun?

1: Connect a AGD QD to the Valve and the use the Staubli Pro-Disconnect to the tank be ok?

2: Or just connect the SS line to the valve and only use the Staubli connected to the tank?

3: Or use to Staubli connections... expensive....

As for the LOCTITE, I thought WHITE or PURPLE should be used for air-line fittings.

Thanks,
David

[Muzikman]

I would use all steel braid hose and nickel plated brass fittings.

I would take a female QD that would plug into the tank, then a 90º, then the hose, then the female side of the Pro-Connect. Then coming out of the gun I would go straight to the valve (if it's a mag), a 90º on the valve and then the male side of the Pro-Connect.

As for the Loctite to use, I would use 545, which is a purple-ish color. It's a Thread Sealant for Pneumatic applications.

With the proconnect on the 'geddon you can just release the proconnect and cut off the air from the tank. This way you will not need to detach the tank from the reg to cut off the air to the gun.

[Creative Mayhem]

Pro-Connects are really the ONLY way to go with Air America regs. I have a Pro-Connect on my minimag and I love it.

As for hose routing, sometimes you need to get creative depending on how clean you want it. My minimag, for example, is rediculous as far as the airline goes. For a basic set up I would along the same lines as what Muzik said, but with a few minor changes(if possible)

from teh tank output port i would start with a 90* elbow, then add the SS braided line, then the pro-connect(female), then take the male end of the Pro-connect, and add that to another 90* elbow and the add those to the valve.

OR

If you want a setup that doesnt have the hose hanging off of it while not on the gun(doesn't bug me, but to some it may drive them crazy) I would go with the 90* elbow, the male end of the Proconnect, then the female proconnect connected to the SS hose, then a regular quick disconnect(female), then the male end connected to an elbow and into the valve. This way when not in use you can disconnect the hose from the tanks, and still have the tank on, or "gassed up" if you will.


There are sooo many ways of doing airlines, it really depends on the application and how clean looking you want it. I would suggest doing one thing before anything else though....

test fit all the pieces the way you want them laid out, and then when you are happy with the layout, then add the sealant(loctite)

This is an example of how cleanly airlines can be done(just takes a little immagination) ;)
Hope it helps some.


My minimag with 68/3k AA Raptor, with the proconnect.(click twice to supersize:D)
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[FallNAngel]

Be carefull gettin that bottle filled. I have the Apoc 2k also.

I took mine in today and the moron tried to fill on the wrong nipple..

You could always put a male threaded female quick disconnect on the LP side (attach it to the 90* fitting), that would seriously help avoid confusion.

[the larch]

Be carefull gettin that bottle filled. I have the Apoc 2k also.

I took mine in today and the moron tried to fill on the wrong nipple..

PoP!!

Probably don't want to take your stuff to this local shop to help you set it up though :rolleyes: