Beemer
01-24-2005, 10:46 PM
Whos responsible?????????????? Who CARES!
This on a web site.
http://www.celebritypaintball.com/eventinfo.html
Players and attendees are responsible for their personal property and rented
property. Players are responsible for ensuring their paintball gear meets all ASTM and insurance standards and are within the set range of posted chronographed feet-per-second prior to entering the field of play at every insertion.
ASTM Standards
3.1.20 semi-automatic mode marker—a semi-automatic
marker discharges one time with each trigger cycle. Markers
that “store” the number of trigger pulls and discharge more
than one paintball at some point do not meet this definition.
Markers that operate in any other discharge mode(s) do not
meet this definition.
3.1.25 trigger cycle—the movement of the trigger through
discharge and returning to a reset or recycle position.
6.5.3 A marker’s performance may not be enhanced, including
but not limited to increasing the markers’ velocity, without
the use of tools or the need for disassembly. In the event that
a marker requires an internal switch, jumper or other device to
be set prior to using outside adjustments, it will be considered
to meet this requirement provided that tools or disassembly are
required to access the switch, jumper or similar device.
6.5.4 All paintball markers shall only operate in semiautomatic
or pump mode and may not operate in other
discharge modes such as burst, enhanced trigger or fullyautomatic discharge mode.
8.3 Accidental Discharge Test:
8.3.1 Significance—Paintball markers should not discharge
when jarred or jolted in a moderate manner while their
disabling device is disengaged.
6.5.2 All paintball markers intended to be used with refillable
cylinders shall be able to withstand input pressure of three
thousand pounds per square inch 207 bar (3000 psi) without
catastrophic failure. Leaking in a manner which would not
cause injury to the operator shall not constitute failure.
Post 33 here
http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=160827
Now I know many of you aren't too worried about your fellow competitors. That if you shoot him 25 times, that's his bad luck. Many of you aren't aware that at the CFOA finale at Rock Hill, that there was a player who was bunkered by a ramping gun at point blank range in the head. The player who did the shooting was not malicious in his actions, but the quick pulls of the trigger did produce 6 shots to the mask of the player who got bunkered. Those 6 shots at that range broke the unaltered Profiler of the player who was bunkered. We were lucky and no injury occurred. Only the player who got his bell rung and had to buy some new goggles was the worse for wear.
See pics in this thread
http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=162440
Correct me if Im wrong but the way I see it ASTM says One shot one pull[period] not to mention the AD[accidental discharge] test.[hair trigs]
Now we got ramping, rebound, full auto after 3 shots bla bla bla. Where does that leave US on the rec field when it ALL trickles down. Whos responsible WHO CARES.[you] I doubt it, cause YOU control the market, and look where its gone. Dont ya think our safety should be OUR first concern??????? There were reasons full auto was BANNED. I played with an SMG. I dont miss it.[I saw what it could do] The last thing I want to do is serious harm or PERMENENT damage to you, my fellow PLAYER of the Game.
Heres the bottom line. 47 peeps[industry peeps + a eye doc] on the ASTM Paintball subcommittee got together and put down these STANDARDS. For what?????????? Our safety and the furture of PB?????????? I believed but was wrong. Why???????? Cause ASTM is not MANDATORY its voluntary..........What a[female dog].. Ya the industry cares, about the bottom line. Or why dont they follow the standards[RULES] THEY put down??????????????
Quick Bio........... playing since 85. 9 years tourny team [S.O.B.s] Lively, NPPL etc, etc. Played thru the constant air, semi auto and HP air Paradigm Shifts. Been dropped to my knees from a point blank hit to the ear[friendly fire] Thankyou for the PMI Mask. Have gotten Paint in the eye. Not fun. I was lucky it was splatter. Still it put me on my back mid field mid game[thanks for the water flush Harry] You can keep the 6.6 mil. Ill keep my eyes thank you very much.
Home Field PaintBall Sams, Racine Wis. One Of the Safest if not The Safest in the mid west[Thanks Nikki]
Standards, full auto bla bla bla. Wanna play by the rules[Standards] 1 shot 1 pull? Be as fast as you are. I aint fast, 12bps on a e-gun if the stars are lined up right. Bring it on. Any time any where[U.S.A]
No standards[rules] I got an FN303 and will be suited up for it and so should you, REALLY.
Contrary to popular belief there is a way to put the cat back in the bag[make em follow the standards They put down.] Would it be easy? No Way. Could I do it by myself? Not at all.
It could be done but it IS involved. This would include ASTM and the CPSC.
I once asked someone why they bothered with something they were doing or why they did it if it was so hard and involved and they said, to make a difference and maybe save a life.
I like to think I make a difference at the fields I play by my actions comments etc...[lead by example] but all I get is looks and bad vibes......If nothing else at least I can say I always tried.
On a final note. If they would have stuck with the 90 degree valves[cali valves we called em back then] they started with 2 people would probably still be alive today. Brandon Johnson teenager[son] dont know if he had any brothers or sisters, and Colette Contois[Wife and Mother] They knew screw ins had an issue back then it just took 10 yrs. Where will PB be in another 10 at the rate we are going?
End Rant..............Discuss
Play SAFE......Follow the rules
Play Fair........
Have FUN......
Peace Out
Beemer
This on a web site.
http://www.celebritypaintball.com/eventinfo.html
Players and attendees are responsible for their personal property and rented
property. Players are responsible for ensuring their paintball gear meets all ASTM and insurance standards and are within the set range of posted chronographed feet-per-second prior to entering the field of play at every insertion.
ASTM Standards
3.1.20 semi-automatic mode marker—a semi-automatic
marker discharges one time with each trigger cycle. Markers
that “store” the number of trigger pulls and discharge more
than one paintball at some point do not meet this definition.
Markers that operate in any other discharge mode(s) do not
meet this definition.
3.1.25 trigger cycle—the movement of the trigger through
discharge and returning to a reset or recycle position.
6.5.3 A marker’s performance may not be enhanced, including
but not limited to increasing the markers’ velocity, without
the use of tools or the need for disassembly. In the event that
a marker requires an internal switch, jumper or other device to
be set prior to using outside adjustments, it will be considered
to meet this requirement provided that tools or disassembly are
required to access the switch, jumper or similar device.
6.5.4 All paintball markers shall only operate in semiautomatic
or pump mode and may not operate in other
discharge modes such as burst, enhanced trigger or fullyautomatic discharge mode.
8.3 Accidental Discharge Test:
8.3.1 Significance—Paintball markers should not discharge
when jarred or jolted in a moderate manner while their
disabling device is disengaged.
6.5.2 All paintball markers intended to be used with refillable
cylinders shall be able to withstand input pressure of three
thousand pounds per square inch 207 bar (3000 psi) without
catastrophic failure. Leaking in a manner which would not
cause injury to the operator shall not constitute failure.
Post 33 here
http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=160827
Now I know many of you aren't too worried about your fellow competitors. That if you shoot him 25 times, that's his bad luck. Many of you aren't aware that at the CFOA finale at Rock Hill, that there was a player who was bunkered by a ramping gun at point blank range in the head. The player who did the shooting was not malicious in his actions, but the quick pulls of the trigger did produce 6 shots to the mask of the player who got bunkered. Those 6 shots at that range broke the unaltered Profiler of the player who was bunkered. We were lucky and no injury occurred. Only the player who got his bell rung and had to buy some new goggles was the worse for wear.
See pics in this thread
http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=162440
Correct me if Im wrong but the way I see it ASTM says One shot one pull[period] not to mention the AD[accidental discharge] test.[hair trigs]
Now we got ramping, rebound, full auto after 3 shots bla bla bla. Where does that leave US on the rec field when it ALL trickles down. Whos responsible WHO CARES.[you] I doubt it, cause YOU control the market, and look where its gone. Dont ya think our safety should be OUR first concern??????? There were reasons full auto was BANNED. I played with an SMG. I dont miss it.[I saw what it could do] The last thing I want to do is serious harm or PERMENENT damage to you, my fellow PLAYER of the Game.
Heres the bottom line. 47 peeps[industry peeps + a eye doc] on the ASTM Paintball subcommittee got together and put down these STANDARDS. For what?????????? Our safety and the furture of PB?????????? I believed but was wrong. Why???????? Cause ASTM is not MANDATORY its voluntary..........What a[female dog].. Ya the industry cares, about the bottom line. Or why dont they follow the standards[RULES] THEY put down??????????????
Quick Bio........... playing since 85. 9 years tourny team [S.O.B.s] Lively, NPPL etc, etc. Played thru the constant air, semi auto and HP air Paradigm Shifts. Been dropped to my knees from a point blank hit to the ear[friendly fire] Thankyou for the PMI Mask. Have gotten Paint in the eye. Not fun. I was lucky it was splatter. Still it put me on my back mid field mid game[thanks for the water flush Harry] You can keep the 6.6 mil. Ill keep my eyes thank you very much.
Home Field PaintBall Sams, Racine Wis. One Of the Safest if not The Safest in the mid west[Thanks Nikki]
Standards, full auto bla bla bla. Wanna play by the rules[Standards] 1 shot 1 pull? Be as fast as you are. I aint fast, 12bps on a e-gun if the stars are lined up right. Bring it on. Any time any where[U.S.A]
No standards[rules] I got an FN303 and will be suited up for it and so should you, REALLY.
Contrary to popular belief there is a way to put the cat back in the bag[make em follow the standards They put down.] Would it be easy? No Way. Could I do it by myself? Not at all.
It could be done but it IS involved. This would include ASTM and the CPSC.
I once asked someone why they bothered with something they were doing or why they did it if it was so hard and involved and they said, to make a difference and maybe save a life.
I like to think I make a difference at the fields I play by my actions comments etc...[lead by example] but all I get is looks and bad vibes......If nothing else at least I can say I always tried.
On a final note. If they would have stuck with the 90 degree valves[cali valves we called em back then] they started with 2 people would probably still be alive today. Brandon Johnson teenager[son] dont know if he had any brothers or sisters, and Colette Contois[Wife and Mother] They knew screw ins had an issue back then it just took 10 yrs. Where will PB be in another 10 at the rate we are going?
End Rant..............Discuss
Play SAFE......Follow the rules
Play Fair........
Have FUN......
Peace Out
Beemer