Debating on New marker

[MonsterMag]

I al looking to get an timmy , alias
What would be better dm4 or a timmy? I want fast light and under 800 :)

[peewee]

I'd go for the timmi :shooting: dang light & fast as all get out. :headbang:

[The Action Figure]

i love both but the timmy has it on weight and size

[minimag03]

Have you considered a Viking?

[68magOwner]

Have you considered a Viking?

mmmmm :p

[MonsterMag]

:)
http://www.game-on.se/Catalog/images/Alias%20Timmy.jpg

[Duzzy]

Or you could get a very nice brand new 04 Viking with all the upgrades for $775...

[master_alexander]

get a devilmag!

wait, it's 900... nevermind...

but get it annyway!

[minimag03]

:)
http://akaowners.org/img/millings/2004_dc_fsp_viking.jpg

[tony3]

I suggest an old style timmy, i.e. 2k2, lasoya, tx storm, Z. They can be found used on pbn for 500-700 bucks and shoot amazing and are light. My favorite guns out there. Just sold both of mine just for sponsorship reasons. My predator 2 lasoya was amazing.

[atm743]

thats what me and dj89 ( team mates as well as emagballer) are tring to tell him

get a viking. or a excalibur like this one http://www.air-powered.com/index.php?showtopic=26215

but he wants a spyder on steroids???


Have you considered a Viking?

[Codekevin0403]

get an alias...duh

you get light, fast, and i saw a used one go for 845$, a little over your price, but its worth it.

[r-unit]

please tell me- why hasnt anyone said freestyle pro with nox lite flash? that adds right up to 800.

[minimag03]

please tell me- why hasnt anyone said freestyle pro with nox lite flash? that adds right up to 800.

Viking > FreeStyle

[AnimalMother]

I don't think you can find many excals for under $800... and Vikings are a tad heavy for my taste. But I'm sure you get used to it after using 'em for long enough, and I'd take a Vike over a Timmy anyday b/c they're more reliable and more durable.

[minimag03]

I don't think you can find many excals for under $800... and Vikings are a tad heavy for my taste. But I'm sure you get used to it after using 'em for long enough, and I'd take a Vike over a Timmy anyday b/c they're more reliable and more durable.

You can get a Excal for around $650.

[Duzzy]

I know where to get a 2k4 Excal for $850...

Edit:

I think it's Dueydog that has 2 Intimidators for sale, an Alias for $750 I think, and the other is an older one and I believe it is $475... Take a look.

[atm743]

Viking > FreeStyle
:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

to that!!

ya get an excalibur or viking or x-mag !! :D or blazer or even better than


nasty typhoon!!

http://www.palmer-pursuit.com/images/misc/DSC00006.JPG
http://www.palmer-pursuit.com/images/Higher-res/dbl.JPG

[AnimalMother]

Maybe you'll get lucky and find an x-mag for under $800. (not bloody likely, but I've seen dumber deals in my life :D ).

[personman]

Maybe you'll get lucky and find an x-mag for under $800. (not bloody likely, but I've seen dumber deals in my life :D ).
He already has like 2 xmags.

[atm743]

He already has like 2 xmags.


thats dj89

:rolleyes:

[AnimalMother]

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

to that!!

ya get an excalibur or viking or x-mag !! :D or blazer or even better than


nasty typhoon!!

http://www.palmer-pursuit.com/images/misc/DSC00006.JPG
http://www.palmer-pursuit.com/images/Higher-res/dbl.JPG




That's NASTY!!!! :D (pardon the pun).

[Duzzy]

If he has an E-mag why would he want an X-mag? With the exception of an Eye they are basically the same performance wise.

[atm743]

here are some guns that are for sale on ao that might interest you


Lasoya timmy
http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=173124

red to black 2k2 TIMMY!!!
http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=173148

Black to Grey classic timmy for 450 shipped
http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=171523

an other lasoya timmy yellow and black
http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=172880


GET THIS a fether light blue viking
http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=172926

NIB HE'd Freestyle
http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=173234

2k2 Red to Blk fade timmy
http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=170774

[TDonovan]

I'd probably go with the timmy. I just bought a GZ with 2k5 (critical frame) and some other stuff (barrel/hybrid ram cap/was2.8) for 525 shipped. Should be here in a lil bit.

If you want an alias, I remember seeing one for 800 in the AKA B/S/T forums on Pbnation. VERY odd place to find one, but it was a white/blue-ish kinda fade from what I remember. Didn't seem to be getting a lot of action either. It was being sold along with a bunch of vikings/excals, that's why it was in that particular spot.

I'd have def. bought a viking had they not been fairly bulky and heavy. However, I may have to pick one up eventually.

[minimag03]

I had to chime back in. Here are some Vikings and Excals in you price range:

Gold 04 Viking
http://akaowners.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=436

03 purple hlaf milled Excal
http://akaowners.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=303

03 Blue Viking
http://akaowners.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=395

[Duzzy]

I found a cheap Intimidator and it's...

Brand New! (http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=g1677D0_l4m7ZH9YnxV7RDeZiy_ftqY97c0=?Pro ductID=cxCsFAY7oFEAAAD8I2CLdpVV)

Aren't you glad you looked? You could have made a bad purchase otherwise... :rolleyes:

[atm743]

I found a cheap Intimidator and it's...

Brand New! (http://www.actionvillage.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=g1677D0_l4m7ZH9YnxV7RDeZiy_ftqY97c0=?Pro ductID=cxCsFAY7oFEAAAD8I2CLdpVV)

Aren't you glad you looked? You could have made a bad purchase otherwise... :rolleyes:


hahaha :rofl:

thank you!!

better act now theres only 3 left!! :rofl:

[Duzzy]

hahaha :rofl:

thank you!!

better act now theres only 3 left!! :rofl:

??

Is it the color you are laughing at? I am confused... For that price who cares about the color?

[MonsterMag]

thanks for the lafs :spit_take

anyone here ever owned a alais?

[Duzzy]

thanks for the lafs :spit_take

anyone here ever owned a alais?

Did it come out before or after the Rodeo? If it doesn't have the ACS don't get it!

Okay enough of my smart mouthery...

Edit:

Found it, this link is actually safe to click on...

Click Me! (http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?threadid=402209)

[MonsterMag]

I dont want a viking , just because I need a more ( tounrey gun ) Light fast and somthiung that everyone else has. So ao says timmy then?

[Duzzy]

I dont want a viking , just because I need a more ( tounrey gun ) Light fast and somthiung that everyone else has. So ao says timmy then?

If you had actually read it you would notice that the person also reviews a Timmy, and that he was happy with it until the back screw stripped.

A smart person would take the pertinant information out of the post and not complain about the rest...


The Intimidator:
Of the two I owned last season, the TX Storm model was my favorite. The Dragon was a little too "bling-bling" for my tastes and was heavier because of the chrome parts. The storm just felt good . . . and shot even better. This gun is insanely fast (mostly because the WAS board likes to help you. ). It is light and mobile and is easy to switch hands with. It's the kind of gun that doesn't get heavier as the day wears on . . .

For the folks in the forum not familiar with the intimidator's inner workings: All intimidators are fundamentally the same. It may be called an Ironman, Lasoya, TX Storm, ECX, Z, Species, Ripper etc . . . but they all use the same parts. The all have the same ram tube with the same ram with the same poppet/cup seal, with the same bolt, etc. The only difference is the milling and possibly the electronics. In the lower cost models, the SOB board comes stock while the higher dollar guns comes stock with WAS. That's it.

The ram is not a self contained unit, but rather part of a system. Unlike the ram of a Viking or an Angel, where the ram is a pressurized cylinder with a hammer on the end that strikes the valve, the Intimidator has a pressurized tube that runs the length of the marker. Inside this tube is a piece of metal (called the ram) that moves back and forth and strikes the valve. I suppose the best way to describe it is having the ram, hammer and valve system in one unit. (I had some cool ASCII art, but PBN won't cooperate. . . .)

This is a cool system, but is rough on the aluminum tube. The ram smacking the front wall of the ram tube causes considerable wear. The ram seals must be lubed prior to each day's play, which causes some funky lube buildup over time. Since the tube is somewhat small in diameter but long (which prevents q-tip cleaning) the tube must be removed to remove said buildup. This is a pain in the a$$.

I suppose the best way to describe the intimidator is "the marketing dream come true." It has a large number of parts that need replaced often (cha-ching!), most notably the rubber ram bumpers and spyder-style ball detents. Also, there is no lack of aftermarket nonsense for the extra bling factor. For the most part, none of the aftermarket accessories do much other than enhance looks, IMHO. The kiddy gangsters love the chrome and the extra gadgets that can be purchased for this marker. The gun runs on about 85 lbs. of pressure out of the box and requires an aftermarket volumizer to go lower. This is a mostly unnecessary upgrade, IMHO, since the bolt won't stop on paint even at the lowered pressure. But that's my point . . . create a product and then a need . . . brilliant!

In my experience, the Intimidator is milled out of a lower grade of aluminum and cheaply anodized. The aluminum dents easily and the anodizing is worn down quite swiftly by the bolt and is susceptible to dings and scratches more so than other guns I have owned. The clamshell is a really cool idea, but the small screws that hold it in place tend to strip easily either due to their small size or the weakness of the metal. The gun also tends to loosen up during use. The ASA block (which the LPR and IN-Line reg both screw into and houses the valve spring . . .) is held in with one screw just like a spyder or piranha ASA. Because most players use the front reg as a grip, the ASA likes to work it's way loose and wiggle side to side. This wouldn't be an issue if the retaining screw weren't so difficult to get to (the hose barb that transfers low pressure to the solenoid is directly above said screw).

In the six months I owned the Intimidator and the 3 PSP events I traveled to, I had minimal problems . . . but when they happened, they were quite severe. In Chicago, I had tried the "hard" ball detents at the recommendation of Bob Long's tech. However, after 4 games, the bolt had worn down the detents to the point that paint was slipping by and not activating the eyes. At Philly, during the third game of the day, my bolt swelled to the point where the gun wouldn't cycle. At a college tournament in November, the back grip frame screw (they come stock stainless steel) stripped out the threads in the aluminum body.

Where the intimidator excels is in it's simplicity. This is a relatively easy to understand, but it requires constant maintenance to perform to peak capacity. I'm not talking about rebuilding a 'cocker in terms of complexity, but the timmy ram must be lubed prior to use, ball detents and ram bumper inspected and bolt adjusted. Those variables, if not given proper attention are the difference between shooting and not shooting.

As far as consistency goes, I was always +/- 5-7 over the chrono and I could get 9-10 pods easily out of a 68/45. Some intimidators are better than that, some worse (I blame it on the lowered tolerances caused by mass production).

So, the pro's:
1.) Stupid Fast
2.) Light and slender
3.) Fairly easy to maintain
4.) Fairly consistent and efficient

The cons:
1.) Long enough to harpoon a whale.
2.) Cheaply constructed
3.) Regular maintenance required. If you don¡¦t own Dow55, fogetaboutit.
4.) Lowered manufacturing tolerances due to sales volume

Note: Prior to the whole screw stripping incident, I was pleased as punch with my intimidator. It shot so well, I was willing to put up with the heightened maintenance, lowered structural quality and lack of company support. However, since the gun already had 2 strikes . . .

[AnimalMother]

What about a Karnivor? My brother has an E2 and it rips everything to hell! And the fact that one shot 54 bps (if you care at all about speed) should give you an incentive to get one. Brother got his for $975 new, but you can find them a little cheaper if you know where to look.

[68magOwner]

I dont want a viking , just because I need a more ( tounrey gun ) Light fast and somthiung that everyone else has. So ao says timmy then?

...are you kidding, a "toureny gun" is qualified as such only if everyone and their mother shoots one?

light- my viking is 2oz heavier than the DM4 you were considering, and its unmilled, oh my, i think i might die from carrying it

fast-....you have seen the 30+ bps vids of vikings right? fastest things out there, bar none

it seems that you are gonna fall into the hype like so many nubs before you, and buy a lesser quaility marker, just because that company advertises it more/pays more pro teams to shoot it. :rolleyes:

your life, not mine, go spend your parents money

[atm743]

...are you kidding, a "toureny gun" is qualified as such only if everyone and their mother shoots one?

light- my viking is 2oz heavier than the DM4 you were considering, and its unmilled, oh my, i think i might die from carrying it

fast-....you have seen the 30+ bps vids of vikings right? fastest things out there, bar none

it seems that you are gonna fall into the hype like so many nubs before you, and buy a lesser quaility marker, just because that company advertises it more/pays more pro teams to shoot it. :rolleyes:

your life, not mine, go spend your parents money

thats whta i told him this afternoon while on the phone with him.

he said that they are lighter and faster?? man if i was putting $$ into a nice gun ill would get eather a viking or excel??

they are light fast as hell and run off the lowest amount of preasure.

all of what you can ask for??

[minimag03]

I dont want a viking , just because I need a more ( tounrey gun ) Light fast and somthiung that everyone else has. So ao says timmy then?

lol

[tony3]

Yeah timmys rock, definitely go for one. I love how people with vikings claim that a timmy is a "spyder" on sterioids. When infact, a viking operates more like a spyder then a timmy.

[yakitori]

I know its not your taste because you want something lighter than a viking. dont get a DM4 then. They arent much lighter than a viking. I have shot alias, dark, empire, and a lasoya timmy, and I honestly like the way my viking shot compared to all of them. But, they were definitely lighter and fast. They were a bit louder and had a bit more kick than the viking did. The trixes Ive shot all kicked less and were very very quiet. If you are concerned about weight, then go for a timmy.

Alias timmys are nice. Im sure you will like it. Try and shoot one before you decide to spend though.

and everyone does shoot a timmy. :D

[minimag03]

Yeah timmys rock, definitely go for one. I love how people with vikings claim that a timmy is a "spyder" on sterioids. When infact, a viking operates more like a spyder then a timmy.

I take Vikigns and Excals over Timmys is because quality.

Have you ever wondered why you have to use grease on your ram and why AKA markers only use light oil? It's called tolerances

Have you ever wondered my Timmy bodies aren't milled? It's called quantity over quality.

[68magOwner]

Yeah timmys rock, definitely go for one. I love how people with vikings claim that a timmy is a "spyder" on sterioids. When infact, a viking operates more like a spyder then a timmy.

i have always been one to defend timmys against people calling them spyders. Anyawy, no, the viking dosent work more like a spyder in any aspect, but, if you like to think that....your ignorance dosent really effect my life, so, go on ahead

the honest reaction that i get from alot of people i let use my viking are as follows- "...its like my timmy....but, feels higher quality" which, it really is, operates on the same desighn (for the most part), but, is machined with better tolerances than i have seen in any paintball marker

[dj89]

Vikigns or Excals

edit: btw you are off the team, if you git a timmy.

[yakitori]

Yeah timmys rock, definitely go for one. I love how people with vikings claim that a timmy is a "spyder" on sterioids. When infact, a viking operates more like a spyder then a timmy.

have no clue. neither operate like spyders. Spyders have a sear. Please show me a sear on my viking or a timmy.

Please tell me how blowback gas resets the bolt/hammer on vikings/timmys (they dont)

Anyone who says a spyder is anything like ANY high end electro is a noob.

[minimag03]

The basic design of most paintball guns are the same. The bolt/hammer goes forward, hits a valve pin, air moves from valve to bolt and fires a ball. How you get it to go foward and recock it really the only difference.