Stock class mag freezing over. Im confused

[gortman44]

Alright, I forgot to bring my mag and cant take a pic of it now, dang it, but whatever. ... WEll I am running 12 gram from the forgirp, macro'd to the valve, blah blah blah.

WEll i was testing out the new stock class mag today and it seams to freeze over. No really. I will be shooting(pump mind you), and all of a sudden after 12 to 13 shots, no more air. At first, i thought it was just that my mag was really a gas hog as people say, but then i was like, NO, mags arnt that bad. So then i put my compressed air to it, and it went without flaw. So then i know that i have to get a expantion chamber, or do I. Can i find a shortcut around this.

Whats to do AO.

[XtremeC]

i dont think mags run on CO2

[gortman44]

Retro valved mags will not, or are not suppost to, but lets keep it to the subject here. And yes they can

[spacedtedybear]

Liquid is probably entering your valve. An expansion chamber is a good way to go if possible. Or you can get a Palmer's sideline stabilizer reg.

[Big'n slo]

Mags, Classic or not will, only get 12-15 shots off a 12 gram.

[Muzikman]

Mags do not like CO2. If you are shooting rather fast, you will freeze up the reg. This is one of the reasons the Sydarm is not the best pistol. As someone said, get a Palmer Stab to put on it. That will keep out all liquid. With 12grams an expansion chamber is not a good idea unless you have a check valve in your 12 gram adapter. You end up wasting alot of co2 if you do not.

[gortman44]

yeah as i thought. I didnt want to put the expantion chamber on because i reolize that there would be allot of waste

[Pullman]

So you are running the 12 gram changer as vertical foregrip? If that is the case you shouldn't be getting liquid. Also the fact that you are able to run air through it immediately afterwards (without any leaks) leads me to believe that there is no problem with your valve freezing or what ever. When you twist the 12 gram back off is there still a lot of CO2 left? If not I think it may be that the mag needs a lot more gas than your 12 gram can supply. You may wanna switch to a 12 oz and play superstock. :D

[gortman44]

Mags, Classic or not will, only get 12-15 shots off a 12 gram.

Wrong you are. Because i would get up in 25+ range if I would wait for a while for it to turn to gas again........DO you have a mag? or tried this?

[gortman44]

well yeah but what explains the situation where if a wait for a while i will get a good shot or two out of it. I didnt have a crono, but what i saw it looked as good as befores

[minimag03]

I don't understand how it could be freezing over that bad. Since the 12 gram is set up vertical, it should have too much of the problem. You could have a small internal leak that you don't know about, and that is where your co2 is going. If not, then try the Sideline Stab.

[Big'n slo]

Wrong you are. Because i would get up in 25+ range if I would wait for a while for it to turn to gas again........DO you have a mag? or tried this?


Yes.

I have 13 or 14 of them

Here ya go
http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=141075&highlight=shots+12


If you'd like more proof I'd suggest the search button

[gortman44]

then your sorry is due. SORRY :)

[hobbesTZ]

Yes.

I have 13 or 14 of them

Here ya go
http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=141075&highlight=shots+12


If you'd like more proof I'd suggest the search button


OWNED. Whether you meant to or not :ninja:

[Big'n slo]

No problem. Just sharing the experience

If you find a way to get more shots please share.

Replacing a 12g every clip sux :(

[SlartyBartFast]

IMO, what you need is an expansion chamber and a check valve installed between the expansion chamber and the 12g changer.

You'd need to have some way to degass the marker though.

[Muzikman]

Wrong you are. Because i would get up in 25+ range if I would wait for a while for it to turn to gas again........DO you have a mag? or tried this?


You MIGHT get 25 shots out of a mag on a 12gram IF you shot about 1 ball a minute in 80+ dgree weather. Mags are not that efficient, and yes I have tried it.

[Asym]

Expansion chamber with a 12 gram would be silly. The extra volume in the expansion chamber would waste some of your pressure, possibly a shot or 2. It would be like running a 12gram with a remote.

[Skoad]

after it stops shooting unscrew your 12g, if no air goes PSSHSHSHHSH then your out of co2 :)

[SlartyBartFast]

Expansion chamber with a 12 gram would be silly. The extra volume in the expansion chamber would waste some of your pressure, possibly a shot or 2. It would be like running a 12gram with a remote.

Depends entirely on whether you have a check valve or not.

If no pressure was degassed from the marker, you wouldn't lose any shots. Except maybe from the first 12g.

[Evil Bob]

I get 18-22 on my old school sydarms at 300 fps during the warm summers, I usually change 12g's after shooting 3 loads whether it needs it or not. At 265 (indoor) I get 22-26 full powered shots per 12g and change after 4 loads. During the winters, I get closer to your reported RoF of 13-15. Co2 just doesn't perform very well in low to moderate temps.

The secret is keeping them thoroughly lubed (I use KC trouble free for co2), keeping them squeeky clean, firing slowly (1 shot every second or so).

The aspect that has the most impact is the slow rate of firing, I use dual sydarms and alternate firing them so that I can keep the rate of fire lower per marker.

Single gunning and stuck firing faster then I want, then yes, the number of shots per 12g will be considerably lower. Basicly the liquid co2 isn't fully expanding (changing from liquid to gas state) before its being fired. Also, as the chamber cools down and starts to freeze over(usually quite quickly under rapid fire), your efficiency will drop.

-Evil Bob

[Muzikman]

First off, I am shocked you can gt a sydarm to shoot at 300fps. Second, those numbers are unbelievable. I have never gotten anywhere near that many shots with my Sydarm or my pump mag.