BigEvil
08-08-2005, 08:37 AM
Much anger in me.. like my father……
Another week, another rant.
*I’m starting this one on Tuesday, since judging by the mood of the forums this week, there is just way too much hostility. Why is it that when people have differing opinions, it automatically means there is a flame war? What happened to ‘reasonable discussion’?
The problem is, there is no such thing as a ‘reasonable person’ anymore. Especially if we are talking about ‘youngsters’
Also, what is “Debate”
1. To consider something; deliberate.
2. To engage in argument by discussing opposing points.
3. To engage in a formal discussion or argument.
4. To fight or quarrel.
How is what is going on here any different from what a debate actually is. The problem is that every one wants to ‘win’ the debate, when in reality, all of this is opinion, and mine is worth about as much as everyone else’s. Nothing. I’m sorry to have to point that out, but the truth hurts.
Ever since the high-end semis hit the scene, everyone who can drop a cool grand on a marker gets a over-developed ego that must come packaged with the gun, probably in the bag with the warranty card.
I hope to see the mods on AO closing some of those threads. Do we really need another….
“____ gun sucks”
“You people are idiots”
“Look at what my parents bought for me”
or
“Why doesn’t AGD make something new”
Maybe its time for AO to shut down? What purpose does it serve anymore? There are at least 10 other paintball forums on the web. AO is different how? I thought this was one of the best places for adult paintball conversation. When I want my share of PBN-tude, I go there. Kevmaster said recently that Tom created AO for debate and discussion. “Here, we'll still have intelligent debate. I think thats what tom REALLY wanted when he built AO. If there are faults, he want(ed) to hear them. If there are bad things, he want(ed) to hear them. Nothing has changed. He doesnt (didn't) want 'yes-men'. He could have done things alot differently if he had. and a lot cheaper.”
So what is so different?
Maybe, it is time to just reinvent AO. Maybe it should be by subscription only? Maybe you should need to be an AGD customer, with a valid AGD customer number to log on?
Hmm… just a thought. Or does that just breed a colony of Yes-men.
Perhaps, it may also be time to put up additional sub-forums for other markers.
“Automags Forum”
Classics, RT, RTP, Micro, E, and Xs
“Angel Forum”
Led, Lcd, IR3, Speeds, A4, G7
“OTHER MARKER FORUM”
If it aint listed above, it goes here!!
Then again, this is JUST an internet forum, and maybe we all need to get a life. :tard:
*My paranoia had reached a new height. I now carry a complete replacement shell, lid door and drive cone for my Halo. I even picked up one of those $35 metal Shocktech ones. I think I’m covered, but I’m sure Murphy will show up at some point.
*Marblizer>Menace. I have also learned that the warp breach in my x-mag does not like swollen, egg shaped Menace paint very much. I also have learned that it takes a well-tuned lvl10 3 times hitting the same stuck ball to break it.
*I recently saw a Predator Ion. It ripped. There is nothing that a Predator board goes into that is not impressive. However, I question the economics of putting a $160 board into a $280 gun.
*Speaking of the ION, do I think they are the greatest things since sliced bread? – No, but, it is really a good thing to see relatively new players on the field and be able to have firepower that can keep up with the big boys. It will be good for the game in the long run.
*Also, now that respectable firepower is within the reach of just about every tax bracket, how long will it take the rest of the paintball world to catch up? The BKO is a close second, and probably a little more robust than the ION, but nowhere near as feature filled.
*The paintball market? Is there still such a thing? Is it still possible to sell your used gear and markers for ANYWHERE near a respectable price? To help with such matters, here is Big Evil’s advice for selling your paintball gear:
If you are selling a mech cocker – FORGET IT. Donate it to charity or something. You will get more for it as a tax deduction. Plus, think of all of those poor kids that will go insane trying to learn how to time them.
OK, so you think you are going to PART IT OUT? People have already figured that one out. You may be able to break a cocker up and sell it, but you still aren’t going to get good money for anything. WGP Hinge frames new are $85, used you can get them for $10-$25. I did.
Just to show another example of how pathetic the market is right now, I’ve seen a brand new e-cocker on the wall at my paintball field for $400!! A few months ago that same gun went for $900.
Classic Mag Valves. Better off using them as a door stop than to try to unload one. Unless you are trading it in towards a X-valve.
X-Valves. Still in demand, but its slowing down. Used Xvalves have gone from $150-$200.
Emags. This is a tough one. Someone who wants a nice emag can still get a pretty good bargain on one. The older non-ule emags with the stainless steel powerfeeds go for as little as $450.
I feel sorry for anyone who still has old aftermarket mag parts sitting around in stock. Think anyone would still want a Pro-team lvl7 foamyless bolt, replacement on/off top, single trigger 45 frames or tourney locks?
There are lots of great deals for anyone looking to pick up an older Angel. Speeds are going for about $400. If you are willing to spend an extra $200 on it, you can get a predator and break beams installed. You will have an awesome gun that will last you for years and absolutely rip. You can save lots of cash on a project like this if you can DIY.
http://www.jayloo.com/files/pics/17000/Skullsig_4549.jpg (http://www.jayloo.com/files/pics/17000/Skullsig_4549.jpg)
Another week, another rant.
*I’m starting this one on Tuesday, since judging by the mood of the forums this week, there is just way too much hostility. Why is it that when people have differing opinions, it automatically means there is a flame war? What happened to ‘reasonable discussion’?
The problem is, there is no such thing as a ‘reasonable person’ anymore. Especially if we are talking about ‘youngsters’
Also, what is “Debate”
1. To consider something; deliberate.
2. To engage in argument by discussing opposing points.
3. To engage in a formal discussion or argument.
4. To fight or quarrel.
How is what is going on here any different from what a debate actually is. The problem is that every one wants to ‘win’ the debate, when in reality, all of this is opinion, and mine is worth about as much as everyone else’s. Nothing. I’m sorry to have to point that out, but the truth hurts.
Ever since the high-end semis hit the scene, everyone who can drop a cool grand on a marker gets a over-developed ego that must come packaged with the gun, probably in the bag with the warranty card.
I hope to see the mods on AO closing some of those threads. Do we really need another….
“____ gun sucks”
“You people are idiots”
“Look at what my parents bought for me”
or
“Why doesn’t AGD make something new”
Maybe its time for AO to shut down? What purpose does it serve anymore? There are at least 10 other paintball forums on the web. AO is different how? I thought this was one of the best places for adult paintball conversation. When I want my share of PBN-tude, I go there. Kevmaster said recently that Tom created AO for debate and discussion. “Here, we'll still have intelligent debate. I think thats what tom REALLY wanted when he built AO. If there are faults, he want(ed) to hear them. If there are bad things, he want(ed) to hear them. Nothing has changed. He doesnt (didn't) want 'yes-men'. He could have done things alot differently if he had. and a lot cheaper.”
So what is so different?
Maybe, it is time to just reinvent AO. Maybe it should be by subscription only? Maybe you should need to be an AGD customer, with a valid AGD customer number to log on?
Hmm… just a thought. Or does that just breed a colony of Yes-men.
Perhaps, it may also be time to put up additional sub-forums for other markers.
“Automags Forum”
Classics, RT, RTP, Micro, E, and Xs
“Angel Forum”
Led, Lcd, IR3, Speeds, A4, G7
“OTHER MARKER FORUM”
If it aint listed above, it goes here!!
Then again, this is JUST an internet forum, and maybe we all need to get a life. :tard:
*My paranoia had reached a new height. I now carry a complete replacement shell, lid door and drive cone for my Halo. I even picked up one of those $35 metal Shocktech ones. I think I’m covered, but I’m sure Murphy will show up at some point.
*Marblizer>Menace. I have also learned that the warp breach in my x-mag does not like swollen, egg shaped Menace paint very much. I also have learned that it takes a well-tuned lvl10 3 times hitting the same stuck ball to break it.
*I recently saw a Predator Ion. It ripped. There is nothing that a Predator board goes into that is not impressive. However, I question the economics of putting a $160 board into a $280 gun.
*Speaking of the ION, do I think they are the greatest things since sliced bread? – No, but, it is really a good thing to see relatively new players on the field and be able to have firepower that can keep up with the big boys. It will be good for the game in the long run.
*Also, now that respectable firepower is within the reach of just about every tax bracket, how long will it take the rest of the paintball world to catch up? The BKO is a close second, and probably a little more robust than the ION, but nowhere near as feature filled.
*The paintball market? Is there still such a thing? Is it still possible to sell your used gear and markers for ANYWHERE near a respectable price? To help with such matters, here is Big Evil’s advice for selling your paintball gear:
If you are selling a mech cocker – FORGET IT. Donate it to charity or something. You will get more for it as a tax deduction. Plus, think of all of those poor kids that will go insane trying to learn how to time them.
OK, so you think you are going to PART IT OUT? People have already figured that one out. You may be able to break a cocker up and sell it, but you still aren’t going to get good money for anything. WGP Hinge frames new are $85, used you can get them for $10-$25. I did.
Just to show another example of how pathetic the market is right now, I’ve seen a brand new e-cocker on the wall at my paintball field for $400!! A few months ago that same gun went for $900.
Classic Mag Valves. Better off using them as a door stop than to try to unload one. Unless you are trading it in towards a X-valve.
X-Valves. Still in demand, but its slowing down. Used Xvalves have gone from $150-$200.
Emags. This is a tough one. Someone who wants a nice emag can still get a pretty good bargain on one. The older non-ule emags with the stainless steel powerfeeds go for as little as $450.
I feel sorry for anyone who still has old aftermarket mag parts sitting around in stock. Think anyone would still want a Pro-team lvl7 foamyless bolt, replacement on/off top, single trigger 45 frames or tourney locks?
There are lots of great deals for anyone looking to pick up an older Angel. Speeds are going for about $400. If you are willing to spend an extra $200 on it, you can get a predator and break beams installed. You will have an awesome gun that will last you for years and absolutely rip. You can save lots of cash on a project like this if you can DIY.
http://www.jayloo.com/files/pics/17000/Skullsig_4549.jpg (http://www.jayloo.com/files/pics/17000/Skullsig_4549.jpg)