Special Mod For Xmags/emags

[M.Don]

this one guy I know is making a produceable mod to remove the X/E-Mag batt packs, anything in particular you guys want?

ie
better eyes
number of shot per charge/battery
etc etc




:ninja:

[rkjunior303]

not possible, unless they ditch the big noid.

[RapidTransit]

A ULT, a little tweaking to the noid, and replacing the like 15 AA sized cells in the battery pack with 1 or 2 nine volts and a huge capaciter, it could probably happen. :dance:

[BigEvil]

..and if they ditch the noid, either it needs the ult, or its going electro-pnuematic. So either way you r going to have to find a spot for the battery anyhow, or, mount a lpr.

I dont see any benafit going to 2 9vs. Why, because they are disposable?

I dont see the issue with the emag battery. If someone says that they want to increase the cycle speed of the gun by replacing the noid, then I can see that.

If your saying you want to eliminate the big battery becouse its heavy, then I will point you in the direction of some good personal trainers and you can get to work on your chior-boy noodle arms.

But no one mentions the most obvious way to reduce the emags weight... go remote. Or is that too un-agg?

But anyhow... I dont see the need to go messing with the emag right now. There is new improved software already out, and new boards, well, someday. If your looking to build a hot-rod, the best way would probably be something like what Coolhand is doing.

[11 Bravo]

I dont mind it so much but it would be cool to lose the weight of the batteries. I wouldnt want to replace the noid or anything like that though.

[M.Don]

ok theres no ult and no pneumatics and no silly battery arangments. i cant say more than that. i dont think the weight is a massive issue, however the general consensus on paintball markers it lighter is better, thats why we all use aluminium now, so i think it will help make the emag/xmag more compatative/desirable. which can only be a good thing.

[Muzikman]

This has been discussed, looked into and tried many times over the past 5 or so years. There is a reason the noid is as big as it is and there is a reason the battery is as big as it is.

[M.Don]

ok this has nothing to do with me, but i do know its genuine, and from some very well respected people, so i know its going to be good. i was looking for constructive idea thoughts and comments not speculation and naysaying. :(

[RapidTransit]

ok theres no ult and no pneumatics and no silly battery arangments. i cant say more than that. i dont think the weight is a massive issue, however the general consensus on paintball markers it lighter is better, thats why we all use aluminium now, so i think it will help make the emag/xmag more compatative/desirable. which can only be a good thing.
A 50ft extension cord? :tard: :rofl:

[11 Bravo]

Yeh quit saying it cant be done. Nothing would get done on anything with attitudes like that.
The Xmag would not have existed in the first place if people involved had that mindset.

If Ford had your attitude we would still be riding horses on coblestone streets.

M. Don I dont have any ideas, but I wish those guys luck.

[rkjunior303]

Don't you think in the 5 years the e/x-mag has been out, IF it could be done it would have?

it would require a complete redesign of the marker.

[11 Bravo]

Um no! Seeing as how they dont make the X anymore and they are just selling off the remainder of the Emags. AGD has had no desire to tinker with anything.

How would you know it cant be done. Have you tried it?


I also saw post after post about how the software for the mags was as good as it could get and that the board couldnt take anymore. Remarks like -Dont you think that AGD would have done it if it needed to be done. 3.2

Well its been done. And not by AGD.

[PsychoBaller]

Calm down all...

The one day I come back in a long time to check out AO, the more and more its turning into PBN.....


ehh...

[Blurry]

Um no! Seeing as how they dont make the X anymore and they are just selling off the remainder of the Emags. AGD has had no desire to tinker with anything.

How would you know it cant be done. Have you tried it?


I also saw post after post about how the software for the mags was as good as it could get and that the board couldnt take anymore. Remarks like -Dont you think that AGD would have done it if it needed to be done. 3.2

Well its been done. And not by AGD.

Whats the voltage/current out puts on the battery back and then someone could figure it out by capacitance and a few other calculations. But what are the voltages and some of the specs of the battery pack. Average shots per full charge and so forth.

Thanks
Blurry

[neppo1345]

yeah...it's called repositioning the battey pack on a specially made tank cover...

Anything else would require a custom noid/sear assembly like the race gun frames use...and would probably require replacing of the entire grip frame...

It's possible...but I don't see it being:
A. Cheap
B. Worth It
C. Marketable (Except for on AO)

[Lohman446]

Um no! Seeing as how they dont make the X anymore and they are just selling off the remainder of the Emags. AGD has had no desire to tinker with anything.

How would you know it cant be done. Have you tried it?


I also saw post after post about how the software for the mags was as good as it could get and that the board couldnt take anymore. Remarks like -Dont you think that AGD would have done it if it needed to be done. 3.2

Well its been done. And not by AGD.

Everyone with any mechanical or technical knowledge of the system has said it cannot be done in a cost effective manor that would not affect performance, maintenance, or longevity. Sure, give me enough $$$ and it can be done but who is going to invest significant amounts in a marker that is not even produced anymore? Can it be done? Sure it can, most anything can be done. Can it be done in an economically viable way without side effects? Probably not. Of course someone might still do it if they don't count there labor into doing it...

[thecavemankevin]

ok i cant give too much away about this (partly because they wont tell me too much) but theres a rumor going around that, someone is developing a mod to remove the need for the big battery on xmags and emags.

kind of curious to see what you guys think, and if you might have any suggestion or ideas.

:ninja:

um, duh!!! its called playing in mech mode!!!! :rolleyes:

[neppo1345]

ZOMG!!!!111!!

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Pics courtesy of Mav D Magman (http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=189716)

personally...I like the battery pack...yeah its a little heavier...but I like the looks...

[Muzikman]

No one ever said the software couldn't get better than 3.2. AGD said it would not support anything other than 3.2. That is not what this is about.

The alternate power source has been talked about since the day the eMag came out. Thing have been tried, but until you get a smaller noid in there the battery is going to have to be large. The only thing you could do is use a different type of battery that supplies the same output (volt and amps) and there are batteries out there, but they would be so expensive that it wouldn't be practical. You could use a smaller noid, but then it has to have the strength to move the sear. Now can you go smaller than what AGD did, sure, they were looking for reliability. Anything smaller and you run the very big risk of burning out your noid.

Now if the ULT would be used, there is the ability to use a smaller noid there for a smaller battery.

As for the idea that there would be no progress without ideas, this is true, but this is like trying to build a Perpetual motion machine.

[M.Don]

ok i thought id give you guys a chance to do something constructive in the name of progress, but i guess things have changed around here. this thread isnt called is it possible to remove the big battery from an emag/xmag, or can you please put the idea down before you even know how its going to be achived, i heard about something exiting and thought id pass it on. Guess i'll know better in future.

unless this turns constructive its getting deleted.

how about we list features we'd like.

ie
better eyes
or it needs to do 20,000 shot from one battery/charge
etc etc.


not that is important, but lithium polymer batterys providing about 4 times the power at the same weight as ni-mh are less than a box of paint, and battery technology is inline for another big leap forward this year. but thats not what this is about.

[Lohman446]

ok i cant give too much away about this (partly because they wont tell me too much) but theres a rumor going around that, someone is developing a mod to remove the need for the big battery on xmags and emags.

kind of curious to see what you guys think, and if you might have any suggestion or ideas.

:ninja:


ok i thought id give you guys a chance to do something constructive in the name of progress, but i guess things have changed around here. this thread isnt called is it possible to remove the big battery from an emag/xmag, or can you please put the idea down before you even know how its going to be achived, i heard about something exiting and thought id pass it on. Guess i'll know better in future.

unless this turns constructive its getting deleted.

how about we list features we'd like.

ie
better eyes
or it needs to do 20,000 shot from one battery/charge
etc etc.

You asked us what we thought, we told you what we thought. Next time you want it to turn into everyone patting each other on the back and only what to hear positives, why don't you tell us that. You asked us what we thought, and many of us expressed an opinion that we thought it was not economically viable. Next time you want us to express a certain thought, why not tell us what the thought is so we don't dissappoint. :rolleyes:

[Muzikman]

After 5+ years, you see the same talk over, and over and over again.

So you want suggestions about how to make the E/X mag better or just what we would look for in a power source? I think most everything has been taken care of one way or another, it's just a matter of getting it produced.

[M.Don]

"ok i cant give too much away about this (partly because they wont tell me too much) but theres a rumor going around that, someone is developing a mod to remove the need for the big battery on xmags and emags.

kind of curious to see what you guys think, and if you might have any suggestion or ideas"


where does that say please tell me if you think this is possible, or do i ask for speculation on the design or fesability, NO!!!!

like i said add something constructive or dont add anything.


thanks muzicman thats a good point, basicly i cant tell you much but i do assure you its genuine, and its not about the power source.

[Muzikman]

What we added was constructive...we have added our experiances.

[neppo1345]

LiPo packs might cost less than a box of paint, and provide 4 times the power output...

But you can't just plug 'em in the wall and sit around while they charge...most need specially designed trickle chargers and cannot be charged quickly due to their unstable nature...

And you still need somewhere to put it...so once you get your LiPo pack (~$50) you need your LiPo charger (~$150)...so for ~$200.00 all you get is a considerably smaller battery pack hanging down in place of the stocker...

You also stated it was a rumor...which it means it might not be true...we're simply stating reasons why it's not true...

[Lohman446]

"ok i cant give too much away about this (partly because they wont tell me too much) but theres a rumor going around that, someone is developing a mod to remove the need for the big battery on xmags and emags.

kind of curious to see what you guys think, and if you might have any suggestion or ideas"


where does that say please tell me if you think this is possible, or do i ask for speculation on the design or fesability, NO!!!!

like i said add something constructive or dont add anything.

My apologies for expressing my thoughts when I was asked for them. I will never do it again, I will approve all my posts with you before posting.

Wait... did you buy this board? Did you get nominated a moderator and have TK change the rules to be only positive? Is this not the board that questions things?

/Hmm.. after a consideration of those thoughts... perhaps you can ignore my first paragraph.

[neppo1345]

If you would have stated "hey...this one guy I know is making a produceable mod to remove the X/E-Mag batt packs, anything in particular you guys want?" might have gotten more of the repsonse you wanted...

Don't ask what we think If you're not prepared to hear what some of us think...

[M.Don]

fair point on the charging lipos, but charger's are a lot cheaper than that. how about Manganese Titanium Lithium, i was just illustrating my point, not very well i might add. neppo1345 you do raise a good point i did say it was a rumour, my mistake it isnt its happening and its real. thankyou for the observation and suggestions to improve my grammar.

origonal post edited.

[hitech]

I don't believe Tom ever stated the eMag could not work with a smaller solenoid. Especially after the ULT was introduced. The ULT won't work in the existing eMag because the ULT can't reset the solenoid fast enough because the plunger has too much mass. I believe the eMag can work with a much smaller solenoid and therefore a much smaller battery. A smaller solenoid will have a plunger with much less mass allowing the ULT to reset it much faster than it can reset the stock solenoid. I believe I can make it work with a 9 volt. And I may even try soon. Depends...

:cheers:

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[Muzikman]

I don't believe Tom ever stated the eMag could not work with a smaller solenoid. Especially after the ULT was introduced. The ULT won't work in the existing eMag because the ULT can't reset the solenoid fast enough because the plunger has too much mass. I believe the eMag can work with a much smaller solenoid and therefore a much smaller battery. A smaller solenoid will have a plunger with much less mass allowing the ULT to reset it much faster than it can reset the stock solenoid. I believe I can make it work with a 9 volt. And I may even try soon. Depends...

:cheers:




So what you end up with is a Devilmag in a stock frame.

[hitech]

I don't think so. Doesn't the devil mag use the same (or same type) solenoid as the hyperframe? This would use a solenoid just like the eMags, only smaller. It would have ALL the existing features of the eMag. It's even possible that it could cycle over 20bps since the plunger is lighter... :shooting:

:D

[Lohman446]

I don't think so. Doesn't the devil mag use the same (or same type) solenoid as the hyperframe? This would use a solenoid just like the eMags, only smaller. It would have ALL the existing features of the eMag. It's even possible that it could cycle over 20bps since the plunger is lighter... :shooting:

:D

Are we discussing a 9V or just a different type of battery. The only advantage to changing ti seems to me is to get to normal batteries.

[GT]

I don't believe Tom ever stated the eMag could not work with a smaller solenoid. Especially after the ULT was introduced. The ULT won't work in the existing eMag because the ULT can't reset the solenoid fast enough because the plunger has too much mass. I believe the eMag can work with a much smaller solenoid and therefore a much smaller battery. A smaller solenoid will have a plunger with much less mass allowing the ULT to reset it much faster than it can reset the stock solenoid. I believe I can make it work with a 9 volt. And I may even try soon. Depends...



This can't be a constructive post on AO? NOOOOOO!!!!!! :headbang: :headbang: I am not sure why this wasnt tried after the advent of the ULT. I don't know a thing about selnoids, however, like most paintball parts, there is a selnoid that is already made that would work.



So what you end up with is a Devilmag in a stock frame.

No, what we end up with is a lighter more effiecient emag.

[hitech]

Regular 9 volt battery. However, remember, I have NOT tried it. Based on the research, which is not complete, I believe it would work. If I had an "extra" eMag board I would try it. However, the cost of an eMag board, ULT, solenoid and custom made mounting "nut" is more than I should be spending right now. And we're not even talking about the time... Maybe when the wife recovers...

:cheers:

[Lohman446]

Regular 9 volt battery. However, remember, I have NOT tried it. Based on the research, which is not complete, I believe it would work. If I had an "extra" eMag board I would try it. However, the cost of an eMag board, ULT, solenoid and custom made mounting "nut" is more than I should be spending right now. And we're not even talking about the time... Maybe when the wife recovers...

:cheers:

It would be nice to have, not having an E-mag on hand is there room enough for a battery in the grip, or are we still going to have to find a place for it?

[hitech]

I don't know if the solenoid would be small enough to also fit a battery in there, but I doubt it. However, it might fit in a ULEd rail. :D

[Mind'sEye]

LiPo packs might cost less than a box of paint, and provide 4 times the power output...

But you can't just plug 'em in the wall and sit around while they charge...most need specially designed trickle chargers and cannot be charged quickly due to their unstable nature...

And you still need somewhere to put it...so once you get your LiPo pack (~$50) you need your LiPo charger (~$150)...so for ~$200.00 all you get is a considerably smaller battery pack hanging down in place of the stocker...

You also stated it was a rumor...which it means it might not be true...we're simply stating reasons why it's not true...


I have done this but DO NOT recommend it: Using a 9.2v version of the stock solenoid (S-15-75-24), a Morlock DIY board and an 11.1v 3 cell Li-Poly battery (1.2oz) I was able to get my Emag to fire reliably and save about 5oz. The emag's weight was down in the range of my Freestyle. The problem is safety. Damaged li-po cells can leak and potentially cause an explosive fire. Plus I have no idea what voltage/amperage compatibilities were involved. In the end I didn't think it was worth the risk, particulary with the battery in relatively close proximity to an HPA tank, but yes, I do believe that a safe alternative is possible with the right battery/solenoid combination. Hitech's idea is worth exploring someday....... :)

[BigEvil]

Throwing around ideas is great... and I of all people love the enthusiasm. But like Muz said, we have been over and over and over and over and over and over and over the same things now since the emag came out.

Personally, I find nothing wrong with my Xmag, other than it doesnt have as many firing modes as the newer guns.

The battery and noid thing to me is debatable. I have played for 3 days on a single battery charge. Any of my guns with a 9v get the battery changed after 2. Same thing with my Halo. As far as the speed things goes, do I really have a need for over the 24+ bps the emag is physically capable of?

All of the tinkering, experimenting, and DIYing is very cool and one of the things that I love about the mag. Im not saying that there isnt room for improvement in the emag, cus' there is. What Im saying is that an emag probably isnt the best platform to really go crazy experimenting with.

:dance:

[hitech]

One of the problems I see with the eMag battery is the cost. The cost of a replacement battery is high. The cost of having a spare battery pack (battery and housing) is high. Replacing the charger is high. Now, a 9.6 volt rechargeable is MUCH less expensive. You also have many more options.

However, I don't really mind the eMag battery. That's also one of the reasons I haven't tried my idea. ;)

:cheers:

[BigEvil]

It would be nice to have, not having an E-mag on hand is there room enough for a battery in the grip, or are we still going to have to find a place for it?

Most likely unless there was extensive modification, then a 9v wouldnt fit.

I am playing with an idea of a 9v mag, using an inteliframe, with both the 9v battery and board in an emag battery pack.

Im not sure how people would feel about still having that pack. Some people love it, most hate it.

[hitech]

I am playing with an idea of a 9v mag, using an inteliframe, with both the 9v battery and board in an emag battery pack.

Have you considered putting the 9 volt in a ULEd frame rail?


Im not sure how people would feel about still having that pack. Some people love it, most hate it.

Although I like it, it seems most do not...

Interesting idea, however. :D

[AGDlover]

Have you considered putting the 9 volt in a ULEd frame rail?




About this.. I have been consioding this with a mag project i was gonna do. 2 issues. 1. I dont really think theirs really a spot to put it as much space they're may be.
2not a lot of room to run wires inbetween rail and frame

[RRfireblade]

I don't believe Tom ever stated the eMag could not work with a smaller solenoid. Especially after the ULT was introduced. The ULT won't work in the existing eMag because the ULT can't reset the solenoid fast enough because the plunger has too much mass. I believe the eMag can work with a much smaller solenoid and therefore a much smaller battery. A smaller solenoid will have a plunger with much less mass allowing the ULT to reset it much faster than it can reset the stock solenoid. I believe I can make it work with a 9 volt. And I may even try soon. Depends...

:cheers:


Basically....

You need a smaller 'noid, ULT (which WILL slow down the max ROF), new sear (or the old one will again slow down the max ROF) and then smaller battery.

Or...

A Smaller battery capable of putting out 18v@ the stock batteries amperage. :)

[RapidTransit]

Maybe someone can interpret this? http://www.solenoidcity.com/solenoid/tubular/s-15-75.pdf the specs on the eMag solenoid what it needs to pull a certain weight.

[Gunga]

Im not sure how people would feel about still having that pack. Some people love it, most hate it.

I wouldn't say that. After all, like anything else, you typically only hear from the people who don't like the stock E/X-Mag battery pack.

People love to complain. It's rare that you hear from someone who is happy with what they have, unless you specifically ask them. In my far too many years of dealing with customers across various industries, I can count on one hand the number of times I've had someone contact me just to say they're happy with whatever product or service. And I'd still have some fingers left over to count with on said hand.

The 'hate' of the E/X-Mag battery pack is more perception than reality IMO.

[hitech]

Maybe someone can interpret this? http://www.solenoidcity.com/solenoid/tubular/s-15-75.pdf the specs on the eMag solenoid what it needs to pull a certain weight.

The solenoid I'd suggest...

http://www.magneticsensorsystems.com/solenoid/tubular/s-10-50.asp

It would REQUIRE a ULT.

:cheers:

[BigEvil]

I actually love the battery pack. I think it unique, and adds character that most other markers lack.

[Butterfingers]

Find me a lithium polymer battery that can handle a 1 AMP load from the solnoid.

Lithium Batteries are made for low current draw and will not be able to keep up with amp load required.

This is why we still see lead acid batteries in electric cars. Other battery chemistries cannot supply the burst power load electric motors require.

Ill be surprised if this can be pulled off while keeping the e-mag's shot to shot reliability.

[hitech]

It's my understanding that while Li Ion batteries can't handle high current draws the Li Poly batteries can. They use them for racing RC cars... :D

[KayleAGD]

I have done this but DO NOT recommend it: Using a 9.2v version of the stock solenoid (S-15-75-24), a Morlock DIY board and an 11.1v 3 cell Li-Poly battery (1.2oz) I was able to get my Emag to fire reliably and save about 5oz. The emag's weight was down in the range of my Freestyle. The problem is safety. Damaged li-po cells can leak and potentially cause an explosive fire. Plus I have no idea what voltage/amperage compatibilities were involved. In the end I didn't think it was worth the risk, particulary with the battery in relatively close proximity to an HPA tank, but yes, I do believe that a safe alternative is possible with the right battery/solenoid combination. Hitech's idea is worth exploring someday....... :)
In muz's reply he mentioned the ULT would not return the sol plunger. what if you used the second output in reverse polarity to return the plunger ...

[Rudz]

how about just a smaller battery in the same pack? the battery is pretty heavy, the pack isnt all that heavy, though mine is the cnc xmag style im sure a lighter battery would be really helpful, but its not all big of a problem, it makes the emags and xmags stand out...

[hitech]

In muz's reply he mentioned the ULT would not return the sol plunger. what if you used the second output in reverse polarity to return the plunger ...

Are you trying to steal my ideas?!? ;) Almost all solenoids are built such that reversing the current won't change the direction they work. If someone could get a custom solenoid that was basically two solenoids in one; one a pull and the other a push...

Of course, it would require a modification to the board and new programming, but I think the eMag board has open ports...

:cheers:

[11 Bravo]

I beleive there are push pull solenoids.
http://www.magneticsensorsystems.com/solenoid/lowprofile/lowprofilecatalog.asp
This was just to say they exist. Dont know if they would work, but there has to be something out there.

[Troen]

I actually love the battery pack. I think it unique, and adds character that most other markers lack.
yarg!

[hitech]

I beleive there are push pull solenoids.
http://www.magneticsensorsystems.com/solenoid/lowprofile/lowprofilecatalog.asp
This was just to say they exist. Dont know if they would work, but there has to be something out there.

I saw push and I saw pull. I didn't see any push and pull in the same solenoid...

If you can find and I'd be interested...

:cheers:

[nicad]

In muz's reply he mentioned the ULT would not return the sol plunger. what if you used the second output in reverse polarity to return the plunger ...

Kyle-
long time, eh bro? hows the better half doin?

regarding pushing the noid back out with reverse current, it can be done, but only with a very special type of solenoid, a "latching" noid.. more $$ and not as easy as you might think to work with.
Would also burn more juice for every shot. :-/


In my eyes a proprly tuned Hyperframe/Devilmag + ULT is an extreamly nice Electro-mag type setup.

out!

[11 Bravo]

I saw push and I saw pull. I didn't see any push and pull in the same solenoid...

If you can find and I'd be interested...

:cheers:



Same page. S-66-100 and S-05-125

[neppo1345]

Find me a lithium polymer battery that can handle a 1 AMP load from the solnoid.

Lithium Batteries are made for low current draw and will not be able to keep up with amp load required.

This is why we still see lead acid batteries in electric cars. Other battery chemistries cannot supply the burst power load electric motors require.

Ill be surprised if this can be pulled off while keeping the e-mag's shot to shot reliability.

Li-Po Amperage ratings (http://www.aircraft-world.com/prod_datasheets/polyquest.htm)

Towards the middle of the page...

My R/C Heli Draws 8-9 amps...

[M.Don]

just for clarification this is not a battery mod, also im not sure what he said about the noid, but i think he said he was removing it, i dont know if its being replaced with another noid or some other item, but i'll keep you guys posted. as for lipos, i run RC boat which have a much higher drain than cars or heli's etc and i know lipo can push 60amps constant so that not an issue, the charging and explosive nature is much more problematic. however within the next 12months theres going to be a big jump in battery technology. on the subject of the battery pack, i like them and even if i didnt need mine, id proberly keep it on, and just remove the battery.

[Timmee]

It's my understanding that while Li Ion batteries can't handle high current draws the Li Poly batteries can. They use them for racing RC cars... :D

Unless something's changed recently, electric R/C cars use NiCad or NiMh battery packs.

[Mind'sEye]

i run RC boat which have a much higher drain than cars or heli's etc and i know lipo can push 60amps constant so that not an issue, the charging and explosive nature is much more problematic.

There's plenty of power in relatively small lightweight lipo's to do the job. They fit right into the battery housing, but IMO the danger of explosion is too great as in: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=151687 If they were safer I would be running one in my Emag. :)

[tae]

Had video too!.

M.don, do you have any info on what you mentioned with advancements in batteries?

[M.Don]

http://www.smh.com.au/news/breaking/nec-develops-paperthin-battery/2005/12/12/1134235976295.html
or
hi amp Lithium Manganese (do a google)
or
Direct methanol fuel cells
or
hydrogen battery
or
Zinc Matrix Power Battery

it seems the whole battery thing is taking big leaps at the moment.

unrelated to my origional post but interesting not the less. :)

[swamphawk7]

hey all,

Just got my 1st Mag (E-Tac) and I'm not changing a thing :clap:

know this is drifting,but discussion seems to going a little toward batteries ...

I don't know much about mags ( pleased as can be with mine.)

but I have torture tested lithium polymer batts for a few years .

so just for giggles ,,,

Lihthium Polymer batteries are very safe if handled properly .

The cells are VERY light compare to Nmh or nicad cells ... that means MUCH more capacity for less weight and smaller form factor .

I have piles of them for RC aircraft generating 2kw+ ,,, no worries.

The E/X mag out of the box needs 14-18v to function properly correct ?

a 5s lipo pack is 18.5v 21v +/- charged
4s 14.8v 17v +/-

(s = series so 5s= 5 cells in series)

average discharge rate is 10-12c .

so for sake of discussion, a 1000 mah pack can safely deliver 10-12a+.

No worries there . Higher capacity = more available amperage

However, Lipos are most often used for RC apps in conjuction with ESC (electronic speed controllers)with progammable LVC (low voltage cutoff ) to insure the battery is not drained below rated V .

with no LVC in a paintball marker there is a risk of draining the battery, but with the proper pack it will not Explode ... you just won't be able to charge it .


wow , went WAY off topic with my 1st post ...

sorry 'bout that

~Take care all

[FooTemps]

hey all,

Just got my 1st Mag (E-Tac) and I'm not changing a thing :clap:

know this is drifting,but discussion seems to going a little toward batteries ...

I don't know much about mags ( pleased as can be with mine.)

but I have torture tested lithium polymer batts for a few years .

so just for giggles ,,,

Lihthium Polymer batteries are very safe if handled properly .

The cells are VERY light compare to Nmh or nicad cells ... that means MUCH more capacity for less weight and smaller form factor .

I have piles of them for RC aircraft generating 2kw+ ,,, no worries.

The E/X mag out of the box needs 14-18v to function properly correct ?

a 5s lipo pack is 18.5v 21v +/- charged
4s 14.8v 17v +/-

(s = series so 5s= 5 cells in series)

average discharge rate is 10-12c .

so for sake of discussion, a 1000 mah pack can safely deliver 10-12a+.

No worries there . Higher capacity = more available amperage

However, Lipos are most often used for RC apps in conjuction with ESC (electronic speed controllers)with progammable LVC (low voltage cutoff ) to insure the battery is not drained below rated V .

with no LVC in a paintball marker there is a risk of draining the battery, but with the proper pack it will not Explode ... you just won't be able to charge it .


wow , went WAY off topic with my 1st post ...

sorry 'bout that

~Take care all

Welcome to AO! Great way to start off making such an informed post. It's nice to see some fresh minds here.

Any idea how difficult it would be to put an LVC into markers? I was looking into lipo batteries for my e-y-grip project that I ditched but I just figured I'd just have to hope for no exploding.

[tyrion2323]

But no one mentions the most obvious way to reduce the emags weight... go remote. Or is that too un-agg?

It has nothing to do with being agg. Remotes suck, unless you're playing scenario or woods.

With a remote, you can't slide into bunkers as well, you have tubing wrapped all around your side, you can't switch hands on the fly, you don't have as stable of a shooting platform without the tank against your shoulder, you provide a larger shooting target for your oppponents, you have to wear a special harness which is both uncomfortable and doesn't stack the tubes properly, etc.

[Skoad]

Lets just say here at AO, we like to see things before we believe them. Also things work in theory but don't always work when tried. If whatever it is works, I'm sure he'll sell a bunch.

[M.Don]

i guess thats understand able after so many things either taking so long to appear or being stopped all together, but i wanted to get some feedback and perhaps some suggestions, i guess if someone goes to all this effort to develop Agd markers then it only makes sence to make sure you get everything right, and i thought you guys would be the people to talk too. so far not had too much in the way of features, but atleast its got a little more constructive. on the LVC it should be very simple to put one in there, perhaps a LED to warn that the voltage is low, alot us audable alarms, which would require even less work. i dont think lithium take too kindly to being banged around from what ive read though. i think i'll just rename this thread, guide to modern rechargable batteries. lol. :)

[Dark Side]

alternate/lighter power source: I want to see something involving fusion. Would make for some mighty interesting games.

[Tao]

I dont mind it so much but it would be cool to lose the weight of the batteries. I wouldnt want to replace the noid or anything like that though.

Like Big Evil said "choir boy noodle arms..." :P

I actually heard a guy who is closer to 300lbs than he is to 200 complain that a gun with a warp feed was too heavy for speedball.... :P

My friend runs an old school steel e mag with an 88CU tank and a warp. He doesn't complain :)

[tae]

Thank you for the info M.Don :D

[Ratt]

Here's a feature I would like: I would like it to have a tiny speaker attached to it. And every time I turned my Emag on, I would be greeted by Lindsey Lohan's sexy little voice, saying "Thank you for turning me on...now go kick some butt, you stud!" Seriously, I would like that. Alot. :D

[evildead420]

ZOMG!!!!111!!

http://photos-418.facebook.com/n8/2283/3/25201378/n25201378_30096418_6302.jpg
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Pics courtesy of Mav D Magman (http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=189716)

personally...I like the battery pack...yeah its a little heavier...but I like the looks...

that used to be mine :( looks like its been through some battles. :cheers: that mag sure did rip. it had 4.0 but i downed it to 3.2. has ACE :wow: and all ULE. uber light