AGD Flatline Mounting Questions

[-Commander-]

Dear Experienced AO Forumers,

I am new to the Automag family and brand of markers, I have always run remote lines for my previous markers, but now I believe I am ready to keep the air on-gun, but having no previous experience I am currently completely lost, so hopefully you all can help me get my set-up working for me. Let me tell you the situation and what I hope my future on-gun-air set-up will be.

*This will all be on an AGD Tac-One for future reference if needed.

First, I am getting one of these (http://www.bringitonpaintball.com/static/product_DYE_%20Automag%20.45%20Grip%20Frame%20_Sin gle%20Trigger_-.asp); I don't know what kind of ASA screws (for lack of better terms) Dye uses for their 45* grips but I am pretty sure it's going to be the most universal kind or AGD's original kind, but you guys would know more about that so correct me and tell me what this style of adapter screw it uses if I am wrong (I read somewhere that AGD style ASA screws were two screws angled inward to mount drop-forwards and such so I don't know if the Dye one is different or not or if they include the screws in the grip package or the drop-forward, ASA, and such, any info on that would also be welcome).

Second, I am going to mount one of these (http://www.fireballmountain.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FBM&Product_Code=PowAngle&Category_Code=CustAccess) to the Dye grip for angling the tank out of the way and using the it as a stock. As I asked before; would this item included the screws needed to mount it to the Dye 45* Grip, would I need to buy the screws somewhere else (please state where), or do they come with the grip?

And my third and final set of questions, I am adding this (http://store.airgun.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.prodInfo&productID=77&categoryID=43) to my Pure Energy 45/4500 Nitro Tank, so this all leads me to ask; what do I need or how do I mount this (http://store.airgun.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.prodInfo&productID=77&categoryID=43) to this (http://www.fireballmountain.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FBM&Product_Code=PowAngle&Category_Code=CustAccess)? If there is something I need to purchase to connect the two please direct me to an online store's address that carries them.

*Any info would be great!

Thanks,
-Commander-

[Gunga]

Dear Experienced AO Forumers,

I am new to the Automag family and brand of markers, I have always run remote lines for my previous markers, but now I believe I am ready to keep the air on-gun, but having no previous experience I am currently completely lost, so hopefully you all can help me get my set-up working for me. Let me tell you the situation and what I hope my future on-gun-air set-up will be.

*This will all be on an AGD Tac-One for future reference if needed.

First, I am getting one of these (http://www.bringitonpaintball.com/static/product_DYE_%20Automag%20.45%20Grip%20Frame%20_Sin gle%20Trigger_-.asp); I don't know what kind of ASA screws (for lack of better terms) Dye uses for their 45* grips but I am pretty sure it's going to be the most universal kind or AGD's original kind, but you guys would know more about that so correct me and tell me what this style of adapter screw it uses if I am wrong (I read somewhere that AGD style ASA screws were two screws angled inward to mount drop-forwards and such so I don't know if the Dye one is different or not or if they include the screws in the grip package or the drop-forward, ASA, and such, any info on that would also be welcome).

Second, I am going to mount one of these (http://www.fireballmountain.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FBM&Product_Code=PowAngle&Category_Code=CustAccess) to the Dye grip for angling the tank out of the way and using the it as a stock. As I asked before; would this item included the screws needed to mount it to the Dye 45* Grip, would I need to buy the screws somewhere else (please state where), or do they come with the grip?

And my third and final set of questions, I am adding this (http://store.airgun.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.prodInfo&productID=77&categoryID=43) to my Pure Energy 45/4500 Nitro Tank, so this all leads me to ask; what do I need or how do I mount this (http://store.airgun.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.prodInfo&productID=77&categoryID=43) to this (http://www.fireballmountain.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FBM&Product_Code=PowAngle&Category_Code=CustAccess)? If there is something I need to purchase to connect the two please direct me to an online store's address that carries them.

*Any info would be great!

Thanks,
-Commander-


First of all, forget about getting the Dye gripframe, especially if you're getting a TAC-1 (which uses a X-Valve). It's a piece of crap that's usually out of spec, which in turn causes problems getting your gun to work correctly. Stick with the stock single trigger frame or go with an Intelliframe or Y-Grip.

To connect a Flatine air system to that thing you're interested in, you'd probably have to buy an AGD drop forward (http://store.airgun.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.prodInfo&productID=220&categoryID=26) .

http://store.airgun.com/images/product/220.jpg

This image is actually upside down. The horizontal holes in the drop connect to the regulator via the screws that go through the circular band that clamps around the reg. The vertical holes are for screws that go into the gripframe.

[-Commander-]

Do you mean this (http://store.airgun.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.prodInfo&productID=435&categoryID=91) when you said get the stock single trigger frame?

As for the AGD Drop-Forward; all I would have to do is mount the Angled Block to the Trigger Frame, then the AGD Drop-Forward to the Angled Block, and then the Flatline to the AGD Drop-Forward, right?

*Any info would be great!

Thanks,
-Commander-

[Gunga]

Do you mean this (http://store.airgun.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.prodInfo&productID=435&categoryID=91) when you said get the stock single trigger frame?

As for the AGD Drop-Forward; all I would have to do is mount the Angled Block to the Trigger Frame, then the AGD Drop-Forward to the Angled Block, and then the Flatline to the AGD Drop-Forward, right?

*Any info would be great!

Thanks,
-Commander-

Yeah, that's the trigger frame I was referring to. Though it looks like the Tac-1 comes with an Intelliframe. But you could get it however you want I imagine - figured you were interested in a single trigger frame since you were interested in that Dye one.

I've never used an angle block before, but it sounds like that's a setup that would work.

[Beemer]

First of all, forget getting the Dye gripframe, especially if you're getting a TAC-1 (which uses a X-Valve). It's a piece of crap that's usually out of spec, which in turn causes problems getting your gun to work correctly. Stick with the stock single trigger frame or go with an Intelliframe or Y-Grip.

QFT.............. The Intelli is way better.


One of these will work for you.


http://store.airgun.com/images/product/242.jpg

http://store.airgun.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.prodInfo&productID=242&categoryID=26

Peace Out

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[Gunga]

QFT.............. The Intelli is way better.


One of these will work for you.


http://store.airgun.com/images/product/242.jpg

http://store.airgun.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.prodInfo&productID=242&categoryID=26

That'd work only if the angle block has an integrated dovetail, which it doesn't look like it has from the pic that was provided.

[Beemer]

He needs that to mount the tank to the drop not the frame.

Unless I misunderstood and he aint using the drop then you are right

Looks like the dove tail comes with the flatline, so Gunga is right you will need that drop.


As for the AGD Drop-Forward; all I would have to do is mount the Angled Block to the Trigger Frame, then the AGD Drop-Forward to the Angled Block, and then the Flatline to the AGD Drop-Forward, right?

Correct. that should work. Sorry. I thought you wanted to use the drop in the pic. my bad

[-Commander-]

Alright, I'm starting to see the light...

I believe that the Flatline already has that dovetail rail installed on it for easy mounting from what I see from the pics on AGD, so what I need to find is a drop-forward that accepts dovetails attached to the angled block or have the angled block modded to fit a dovetail to make things simpler if needed. Correct me if I am wrong though, but so far it fits with what you all have been saying.

*Also; if you could, please clarify to me what is so wrong with the Dye 45* Single Trigger Frame for the Tac-One?

**Any info would be great!

Thanks,
-Commander-

[Beemer]

See edit in my last post.


It's a piece of crap that's usually out of spec, which in turn causes problems getting your gun to work correctly. Stick with the stock single trigger frame or go with an Intelliframe or Y-Grip.

[-Commander-]

See edit in my last post.
Meaning, for example; that the holes tapped in the Dye Frame is different than the holes tapped for the Tac-One's rail for mounting, and the sear is too big or small for firing, and all the sizes and technical crap like that is off, correct? Or what?

Thanks,
-Commander-

[Tunaman]

Alright, I'm starting to see the light...

I believe that the Flatline already has that dovetail rail installed on it for easy mounting from what I see from the pics on AGD, so what I need to find is a drop-forward that accepts dovetails attached to the angled block or have the angled block modded to fit a dovetail to make things simpler if needed. Correct me if I am wrong though, but so far it fits with what you all have been saying.

*Also; if you could, please clarify to me what is so wrong with the Dye 45* Single Trigger Frame for the Tac-One?

**Any info would be great!

Thanks,
-Commander-Most...if not all of the Dye frames I install need to be milled out deeper to allow the sear(trigger rod actually) to sit low enough without interference. After this mod they usually work great.

[-Commander-]

Most...if not all of the Dye frames I install need to be milled out deeper to allow the sear(trigger rod actually) to sit low enough without interference. After this mod they usually work great.
So if I do get one, can I send it to you if I have problems with it and you could mill it out for me? I'd pay you for your services, of course. Any info would be great, let me know!

Thanks,
-Commander-

[Beemer]

The Tac comes with an Intelli. Just curious, why in the world you want to down grade the frame?

add Tuna is one of the dealers here to see for all your Mag needs.

And also forgot, Welcome to AO

[-Commander-]

The Tac comes with an Intelli. Just curious, why in the world you want to down grade the frame?

add Tuna is one of the dealers here to see for all your Mag needs.

And also forgot, Welcome to AO
I don't plan on using an AGD Warp Feed and was never one with talented fingers for fanning a double-trigger, so my reflection on this marker is 'might as well face it' and just dump the unneeded weight and space.

So I guess Tuna is to AO what Flatline's Up is to A5OG?

Thanks,
-Commander-

[Gunga]

I believe that the Flatline already has that dovetail rail installed on it for easy mounting from what I see from the pics on AGD, so what I need to find is a drop-forward that accepts dovetails attached to the angled block or have the angled block modded to fit a dovetail to make things simpler if needed. Correct me if I am wrong though, but so far it fits with what you all have been saying.

If you go the dovetail route rather than the AGD drop forward, I'd replace the stock AGD dovetail adapter for one from Custom Products (http://store.customproducts.us/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.prodInfo&productID=21&categoryID=3). The AGD one is made of aluminum and will eventually crack. CP's is made of steel. But CP's adapter costs $20 and you'll still have to buy a drop forward or rail. The AGD Drop costs $15.


Meaning, for example; that the holes tapped in the Dye Frame is different than the holes tapped for the Tac-One's rail for mounting, and the sear is too big or small for firing, and all the sizes and technical crap like that is off, correct? Or what?

Nah, nothing simple like that. X-Valves are finicky about things being in spec. Dye frames are usually out of spec and cause a myriad of problems. They're so wonderful that they get mentioned in AGD's warranty: "Dye frames invalidate the warranty and will require a $65 rebuild fee".

The weight difference between an Intelliframe and the Dye would be minimal at best. The Intelliframe might actually weigh less. The Dye frames are kinda meaty. Just stick with the Intelliframe or a Y-Grip. You'll save yourself a potential headache...one that you'd be paying money to get.

[Shane-O-Mac]

If weight is a concern, use a single finger carbon fiber frame that comes stock on some mags. Very light, Very durable.

Ditto on the Dye frame, whatta piece of crap that is............


Shane-O

[-Commander-]

Alright, since you all seem to have the same feelings about the Dye frame being a piece of crap I won't get it, thanks for the info, it saved me alot of money! I'll go with the stock carbon fiber ones then. However, Tunaman mentioned modding it to work perfectly, is this possible?

Also, Gunga, I clicked your Custom Products link for the dovetail but the browser was moving slower than a snail! Is it just my computer or did you guys have trouble getting there too? If you could, can you give me the name of the exact product you are refering to? And does this item replace the dovetail on the Flatline then, right? So it should look just like the stock one on the Flatline too, right? Any info would be great!

Thanks,
-Commander-

[Gunga]

Link works fine for me. It's called a 'Flatline Air System Adapter' and looks just like the AGD one.

[-Commander-]

Link works fine for me. It's called a 'Flatline Air System Adapter' and looks just like the AGD one.
Alright, now the link works for me, I'll take your advice and get it.

Sorry to ask again, but I have someone pushing me with an amazing deal for the Dye 45* Frame, and Tunaman said that it could be modded to work perfectly (hopefully he'd be willing to operate on it for me if I do get it), do you believe it is possible to mod it so that it'd be in-spec? Because I could easily buy the grip from this guy's store and have it modded to work for the same price it would cost me to just buy the same one from an online store. Tell me what you think.

Thanks,
-Commander-

[Gunga]

Cheap crap is still crap. If you've just gotta buy something Dye, go buy some gloves or something, not that triggerframe. :nono:

[-Commander-]

Cheap crap is still crap. If you've just gotta buy something Dye, go buy some gloves or something, not that triggerframe. :nono:
:cry: Yes sir, I'll respect my elders' decision...

*Thanks for all of you guys' help (especially Gunga)! I'll let you know if I have any other questions in the future, you seem to have alot of experience with Automags and such so the help is much appriciated.

Thanks,
-Commander-

[Gunga]

:cry: Yes sir, I'll respect my elders' decision...

Finally! :p :rofl:

[Vex]

The AGD Flatline drop forward DOES NOT have a dovetail adapter on it--Meaning It will NOT work in combo with a dovetail mount of any kind. The drop is made to be attached directly to the metal retaining clip that goes around the Flatline.
You'll have to remove the dovetail mount from the retaining clip around the Flatline and replace it with the end of the AGD drop.
Now, this becomes a pain in the butt issue. It's not exactly easy and quick to remove that retaining clip. In fact, I would suggest finding a way to mount your gun using the dovetail adapter...basically, leaving a drop forward completely out of the loop.
In other words, you'd essentially be mounting your tank right to the bottom of your grip frame.
On way to do this is to attach a Custom Products (CP) tank rail to your grip frame and then just attach the Flatline's dovetail mount to the tank rail. A very simple solution (I have done this with mine)

Just a suggestion. Here's a pic of the rail drop:
http://store.customproducts.us/images/product/large/lg_6.jpg