Name this gun/hopper....guys who've been around the sport a while...

[FlawleZ]

Well I've had this magazine forever (Paintball Sports International, March 1999) and I've always wondered the exact name of the hopper in this picture. I've seen one once long ago but forgot who made it. Also, what kind of cocker is this?

(sorry for the bad quality, it was with my phone)

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[DiRTyBuNNy]

Well I've had this magazine forever (Paintball Sports International, March 1999) and I've always wondered the exact name of the hopper in this picture. I've seen one once long ago but forgot who made it. Also, what kind of cocker is this?

(sorry for the bad quality, it was with my phone)

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It looks like a prototype VL2000 from CM Support...I'm sure someone else can be a lot more specific than I am...

-dB

[WARPED1]

The gun might be a 'cocker SP Evolution. Hopper seems right db.
**EDIT** Obviously not, I just realised it was a DYE ad, unless it's just a barrel ad?

[DiRTyBuNNy]

The gun might be a 'cocker SP Evolution. Hopper seems right db.
**EDIT** Obviously not, I just realised it was a DYE ad, unless it's just a barrel ad?

I could try to be a bit more specific as far as the cocker goes..but the pic is just so blurry it's hard for me to tell...

-dB

[Duzzy]

The gun might be a 'cocker Belsales Evolution. Hopper seems right db.
**EDIT** Obviously not, I just realised it was a DYE ad, unless it's just a barrel ad?

SP is the US distributor, they don't make them. ;)

[topazpaintball]

It looks closed bolt to me

[WARPED1]

SP is the US distributor, they don't make them. ;)
Of course, but 9 out of 10 people know it as an SP gun, say Besales and they'll say "Huh?"

[mobsterboy]

looks more like a shocker, but thats just me
edit: I see the bolt and cocking rod now, but wheres the 3 way and ram?

[Duzzy]

Shockers don't have LPR's unless something drastic happened that I don't know about.

[mobsterboy]

and cockers have rams and 3 ways, last time i checked duzzy :rolleyes:

[FlawleZ]

See that's what was throwing me off. Looks just like a cocker except no 3-way or Ram. I figured the hopper was some sort of old VL prototype. But why not use the VL200 for the shell? That's a wierd shell.

[mobsterboy]

ok, last attempt here. Ghettoed out agitated 40 round hopper. Electronic cocker of some sort with the noid mounted on the top and ram on the other side???
worth a try

[FlawleZ]

Looking at it again, I'm thinking its some sort of electro cocker. Look where the LPR is. You can see a black wire going down in front of his finger. If you look, you can tell its a 3-way, or if it was electric, a solenoid. Now look on top of the gun, that appears to be some sort of eye system going into the feedneck?

I know for a fact Nitroduck was the first to market an electro autococker. Is this what it looked like?

[FlawleZ]

ok, last attempt here. Ghettoed out agitated 40 round hopper. Electronic cocker of some sort with the noid mounted on the top and ram on the other side???
worth a try

Its not a 40 round hopper. LoL...looks like an old Indian Springs hopper.

[Sk8ermog]

My logical guess is that it's an old prototype STO cocker that came out around 99 that integrated the 3-way and ram into the body of the cocker. I can't find any pictures of one now, but I've seen a few floating around online. Basically the ram is on the left side of the gun, but it's part of the body like on a Blazer. The 3-way is part of the trigger and the hose are in the handle. Basically just think of a blazer, but with a cocker body and the LPR sticking out front.

The hopper is one of the first models of the VL hoppers. The guts and batteries for the hopper are sticking out the back. There is a talking stop watch stuck to the back to tell game time. The wire going to the trigger frame looks like an Intellie feed system which came out around the same time.

If I find pictures of it I'll post it.

[Jackel411]

Hopper is just a home brewed agitator loader that was cut down in some manner... Gun is just a custom , looks like something that could of come from Danny Love of Badboyztoys or Brad Nestle... most likely Danny as that time he played with aftershock , and they always have had a relation with dye....

Thats the best I can do the late 90's were a hot bed for custom cockers , and one offs so thats all I can help with

[Duzzy]

and cockers have rams and 3 ways, last time i checked duzzy :rolleyes:

Better check again. :ninja:

(J/k, good point.)

[BigEvil]

There were some custom cockers where the ram and 3way were mounted on the side of the gun.

As far as the hopper, I cant see it clearly, but it kinda looks like the original vl2000. They basically took the old style vl200 and put the agitator on the outside of it.

edit** yes, that is the original vl2000. The front cap is missing. It also looks like there is a timer mounted on the motor.

[StygShore]

Didnt PaintballMAXX or something like that do the reverse front block conversions to cockers?

Never understood what the purpose of all that mess was.

Styg

[Cow hunter]

Well I've had this magazine forever (Paintball Sports International, March 1999) and I've always wondered the exact name of the hopper in this picture. I've seen one once long ago but forgot who made it. Also, what kind of cocker is this?

(sorry for the bad quality, it was with my phone)

<a href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/FlawleZ/DSC00896.jpg"><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/FlawleZ/DSC00896.jpg" width="600" height="450"></img></a>
might it be some sort of prototype elecrto, like a shocker/some sort of WGP project?

the hopper looks like some sort of ghetto rigged electro.....
and its defenitly a dye barrel ad, although look how freakin curved that barrel looks!

[FlawleZ]

might it be some sort of prototype elecrto, like a shocker/some sort of WGP project?

the hopper looks like some sort of ghetto rigged electro.....
and its defenitly a dye barrel ad, although look how freakin curved that barrel looks!

Nah, its definitely some sort of autococker.

[MoeMag]

Thats a dye barrel for sure, I have one just like that.

As for the gun, I found this teardown pic of a cocker. the body sure does look like one.

Check out that magish grip, thats old skool wgp.

http://www.directpaintball.com/images/articles/autococker_teardown/autococker_stock_components.jpg

[Army]

Looks like a '97 'Cocker with a Palmers(?) 3-way.

[Shane-O-Mac]

It is a prototype cocker that Jeff Orr came up with. It has the ram in the body similar to how powerlyte made some in the early 2000's. The 3 way is in the trigger frame, (blazer style) or its on the other side similar to the sovreign directly in front of the grip frame. It is not an eletro prototype. The wire is for a intelli feed type set-up. You can see there are no eyes on the hopper. The hopper is a Early VL200 with twist off caps, that has had the front cap removed and hole covered, and a motorized "Kit" added, with a timer. This setup had to be from 94-96.

Shane-O

[bunny5]

Shane-O-Mac: That seems about right. I started playing paintball back in 1999 and even back then it seemed like that stuff in the ad was Old school :D

[Temo Vryce]

The hopper looks like an OLD VL200 Shredder or possibly a first gen Vl2000. As for the marker, will there's enough guessing going on there.

[DiRTyBuNNy]

I'm surprised no one has else has mentioned that it actually looks like a mini-cocker because the reg is right below the front block...

-dB

[Aggravated Assault]

The hopper is the early vl2000/200. If you look closely, you can see the where the dye ad is covering the back twist off cap that sticks up off the back of the loader. front of the loader there is no cap at all, or possibly a flat flipper top (pre 94' maybe?). I cant tell. After those origional mods, they made the hoppers w/ twist offs on both ends, but, put the raised twist off cap on the "front" of the hopper and a new style flip top on the "back" of the hopper. I believe those were the first 2000's.

I'll bet the farm that the wire is running an old "intelli" mod for the hopper - I had almost the exact same setup.

This hopper (not the ad or the gun)..... I'd say 1993.

[manike]

I walked next door to Dave Bell's office, and asked him what that loader was called. He said it's an early production VL2000 with a timer of some sorts stuck on the back of it. It's an early production electronic loader, not a prototype or anything.

As for the gun, it looks like it may have been made with an Evolution style 'P' Block (the block looks blurred like it is in mid cycle), but it's not a standard Evolution.

[rkjunior303]

the fact that it's a dye ad is probably because back then dye was just primarily coming out with their barrels.

[FlawleZ]

Alright guys, here's a better picture of it. Yes, its a Dye advertisement but it has nothing to do with their barrels.

You can see in the picture its Danny Love from Aftershock.

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[manike]

Danny Love always built himself custom cockers, so it's probably just one of his own 'specials'.

[bunny5]

Speaking of Danny Love, I was wondering where/what he is doing now. Any information would be appreciated!!

[Jackel411]

Oooooh ten points for my saying it was a Danny Love gun hehe..

As for his where abouts...he has retired from AfterShock , Im not sure if he still works for Rennick though

[KayleAGD]

Alright guys, here's a better picture of it. Yes, its a Dye advertisement but it has nothing to do with their barrels.

You can see in the picture its Danny Love from Aftershock.

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what about a soverine ? they do not have a external ram and rennic was the us distributer ..

[Shane-O-Mac]

they may have gotten the idea from a sovereign, bit it has a front block, well sorta does, and sov's didnt have one. Also, Sov's had a more rounded body.

Shane-O