Endo feeling

[buzzboy]

I have been starting to think about making my gun smaller. Holding somehting bigger than a real rifle in my hands is starting to not be as appealing. At first I was thinking smaller tank but I need the size for outlaw ball. Then was the idea of the drop. I really don't know much about different drops but the endo strikes me of something I would find "right". But I was wondering a few things about them.

How does it feel with a Y or Z grip?
Where could I find one?
How is the on/off that comes with it?
How much?

[whistl3r]

I have been starting to think about making my gun smaller. Holding somehting bigger than a real rifle in my hands is starting to not be as appealing. At first I was thinking smaller tank but I need the size for outlaw ball. Then was the idea of the drop. I really don't know much about different drops but the endo strikes me of something I would find "right". But I was wondering a few things about them.

How does it feel with a Y or Z grip?
Where could I find one?
How is the on/off that comes with it?
How much?

ive seen an endo with a zgrip.. its sick..

you might want to try the fbm stilletto drop, or the ndz dropkick (i use this one)

ndz dropkick can be found at actionvillage, and the stilletto is at fbm

i have no idea where to get an endo

[m-a-r-k-7]

http://store.centerflagproducts.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=catalog.prodInfo&productID=38&categoryID=9

edit: here too http://www.apbbolts.com/Endo.html

[Arstron]

I love my endo drop! I have tried it on all my guns (dragun t1, emag, zgriped minimag *warp and vert*, Ygriped mag) and have decided to go with an endo on all of them eventually. Resting the tank on your shoulder feels very comfortable to me, it lets your shoulder hold most of the weight of the gun (instead of my right elbow), and your your oposite hand hold the other part of the weight. I know its not for everyone as I have had other people tell me my setups are to awkward. If you want a real small setup, go with a zgrip, endo, warpfeed, and 10" barrel. :headbang:

[tippmannsniper-]

i own an endo drop, i dont really use it tho because it is kinda big, but it quite comfortable and takes some getting used too to get ur aim back...u might wanta consider some of the other inverted drops listed above just becuase their smaller

[Cow hunter]

own one, dont really like it, $40 and its yours

post in B/S/T here
http://automags.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2157589#post2157589

[Paintballer69]

u should buy a devel mag

[ne0nwalrus]

i'll sell you mine for $15 bucks shipped to your door.

[cowboy_00]

if you only play outlaw/rec paintball why not get a Remote and a pack on your back? that way you dont need a drop and you can be even tighter to the gun.

[REDRT]

u should buy a devel mag

Maybe if DD would build more than a couple a year! :rolleyes:

If you were to buy the Z/Ygrip for your mag the endo imo would be a must. Endo feels right with them grips like it was ment to be.

[SummaryJudgement]

There is also the Psychoballistics Z-drop. It's adjustable and you can set it up in a endo style.

Like this:

http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=6/16700113841.jpg&s=f5

[buzzboy]

Ok then. I think I will go for one after a little bit of money is made. Does anybody have a pic of

Y/Z frame
Endo
Warp

I just kinda want to see how it will look.

[Spartan X]

here what I did with your situation:

Palmer PGP Stroker, vertical feed, with back bottle asa.

Since you need a large bottle for out law, simply get a scuba tank to re-fill a smaller tank. You can go the cheaper Co2 route and use a 4 or 6 oze tank and get a larger co2 tank to refill from (heck is does not have to be a 20 pounder, you could find a 32 ounch tank and just tip it up side down using a remote with 2 conectors on it.

And of course if you have more cash buy a 13 or 22 CU tank and use a scuba tank to re-fill it after each game. The tanks should last you for a game or 2 depending on how cray you go...just try and no go over 500 with a 4 ox or 13 cu tank...the 6 oz or 232 should last you plenty for a game or 2.

[nevets11_2003]

Ok then. I think I will go for one after a little bit of money is made. Does anybody have a pic of

Y/Z frame
Endo
Warp

I just kinda want to see how it will look.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/kartakeeper/kartaoutside2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/kartakeeper/kartaoutside3.jpg
kartakeepers mag

[Chronobreak]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/kartakeeper/kartaoutside2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v321/kartakeeper/kartaoutside3.jpg
kartakeepers mag


whos this karta person you speak of? :confused:

think i made a thread about the angled drops about a year ago. il see if i can find it and link it up for ya

i like the endo/warp y-frame it makes for a very compact setup that balances out very nicely. it can take some time getting used to, and has its advantages/disadvantages. and after using one its even harder to use a normal gun setup (ie 45 frame vertical hopper, and bottomline)

http://www.automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=156056&highlight=endo

if you search my name and endo youl get alot of helpfull results ;)

[wjr]

whos this karta person you speak of?

karta Keeper is a moderator on PBN.

[teufelhunden]

Kartakeeper=chronobreak.

[Chronobreak]

Kartakeeper=chronobreak.


shhh its a secret :ninja:

[m-a-r-k-7]

Kartakeeper=chronobreak.

Bwaaaa :eek: Zomgh4x :wow:

[buzzboy]

Does the endo come with an On/Off on it or not? I = tight on $$

[Chronobreak]

no,..lol

it gets $ fast, welcome to p-ball

[Arstron]

Did somone say they wanted to see pics? :D

Be warned, the pictures are big.
http://www.arstron.org/mag1/DSC03887.JPG
http://www.arstron.org/mag1/DSC03888.JPG
http://www.arstron.org/mag1/DSC03889.JPG
http://www.arstron.org/mag1/DSC03890.JPG

[buzzboy]

So, I am guessing from arstron's photo that I can mount a regular duckbill on an endo? That would be perfect because I have no dovetail asa.

[Arstron]

Yes you can use either one I belive.

[craltal]

So, I am guessing from arstron's photo that I can mount a regular duckbill on an endo? That would be perfect because I have no dovetail asa.

yes you can. the bottom is tapped for the regular 2 hole asa connection and it has a dovetail with ball bearing for that type of asa as well.

[buzzboy]

One last and very important question.

Will a 92 ci tank clear the back of the valve? I want something that will fit.

[Chronobreak]

One last and very important question.

Will a 92 ci tank clear the back of the valve? I want something that will fit.

very doubtfull, my 68 45 is pretty much even with the back of the valve, a stubby would easily clear it though

as for your tank im assuming it would be about2-3" longer making it probly 1-2 " above the valve

some of the other adapters are less angles and have small drop forwards as well
that might work

--edit note i have the endo JR , other endo versions may be different

[buzzboy]

Well, arstron's looked to have about a 2" gap but I don't know how big that tank was. It was also a full size endo.

[Arstron]

Actually I belive I have the endo JR from comparing it to other pictures, I cant be sure about it. I do have a 45/4500 tank on it though, it is very small.

[buzzboy]

Ok, now I am judging from the Air system specs on PBR. It says that the 45/45 is 3.5 inch and the 92/45 is 4.25 inch. On the endo are you getting more than a .75 inch gap to take into account my very large tank cover.(am I doing my math good enough.

[paint magnet]

If had to ghetto-rig it, all you'd have to do would be to get really long screws and something to take up space (ideally, a piece of metal with two holes drilled in it) or even another drop foward to put between the endo and the grip frame to add space...then it would look really weird.

[buzzboy]

^^^much like a ghetto powerangle/rail thing^^^ I was already thinking thats what I will have to do.

[buzzboy]

One last question: About what size SS line would be used to go from the endo to a foregrip?

[craltal]

One last question: About what size SS line would be used to go from the endo to a foregrip?

personally, i'd run the air straight to the valve any bypass the foregrip altogther. no need since there is no way you are going to be running co2 with an endo anyway

[buzzboy]

Could somebody measure from the endo up to the airport on the valve.