Banned from PBN... :\

[SpitFire1299]

I was banned from PBN for saying v|i|r|t|u|e in a b/s/t.. and i "avoided the filter".

How am i supposed to sell something when all you see is *?

I know that this is AO, and that is PBN, but a week for it? damn. Has anyone else been banned like this?

[warbeak2099]

They can do whatever they want. Virtue proved themselves to be a backhanded company who stole products from other companies. PBN does not want any appearance of their name on their website. Neither would I.

Also, everyone knows what board is in your gun if it says, "*" anyways. Most people on PBN know about the banning of those losers.

Sorry if it seems like the world is unfair, but it isn't PBN's fault. They have every right to seperate themselves from a wrong-doing company.

[peewee]

Not from PBN, pbreview gave me a life ban... I still dont know why. said I was threatening people & using bad words.

[daveczrn]

I was banned from PBN for saying v|i|r|t|u|e in a b/s/t.. and i "avoided the filter".

How am i supposed to sell something when all you see is ******? "My gun has ******. I really like ******." wtf

I know that this is AO, and that is PBN, but a week for it? damn. Has anyone else been banned like this?




I was banned for the same thing.... "vir tue" is what i wrote. The deal is that PBnation does not support virtue and doesn't care if you have it and want to sell it. So plain and simple they don't care. PBNation is a business. Once it was a great place to go but now i just look up new guns and fixes people have done.that's all. Other than that it's overrun with ignorant teenagers that just like to mouth off and support their own stupid decisions.

[rkjunior303]

Did you circumvent a "curse" filter on PBN? Yes you did.

If you were to do the same here, you'd get the same BAN.

[SpitFire1299]

It linked me to my b/s/t thread for my matrix with virtue when i looked at the info.

[wjr]

I feel a bit out of the loop here. What is so bad about a virtue board? What did the company do?

[Pneumagger]

I don't know...but I was banned for diagreeing with a PBN's non support of virtue. I basically said I disagreed and I think their ban of the word Virtue was petty and immature to think that it would somehow hurt Virtue. I even said that "ya what virtue did was wrong...but..."

Never even avoided the cuss filter. PBN is so immature and so self righteous about defending their opinions. Just a bunch of kiddies that need to open their eyes to see the bigger picture of the sport and a bunch of mods having a 24/7 pissing contest.

EDIT: I wonder if that last statement would get me a ban over there? :D The only thing nice about that site is it makes me like AO more everytime I visit the PBN zoo.

[Arstron]

Kind of on the same topic, what does pbn have against 68caliber.com? I noticed some links (mainly in my sig there) that it is blocked as well.

[SpitFire1299]

I don't know...but I was banned for diagreeing with a PBN's non support of virtue. I basically said I disagreed and I think their ban of the word Virtue was petty and immature to think that it would somehow hurt Virtue. I even said that "ya what virtue did was wrong...but..."

Never even avoided the cuss filter. PBN is so immature and so self righteous about defending their opinions. Just a bunch of kiddies that need to open their eyes to see the bigger picture of the sport and a bunch of mods haveing a 24/7 pissing contest.

EDIT: I wonder if that last statement would get me a ban over there? :D The only thing nice about that site is it makes me like AO more everytime I visit the PBN zoo.
It becomes a problem when money is involved though... im selling my gun today and seeing that im banned isnt very good. Ive never been banned from anything.. so maybe im making a big deal out of it..

[mag_lover05]

its not that big o' deal....its not like your missing anything good :cool:

[paintman1234]

I belive virtue, had some people from their company register on pbnation and just talk up their boards and stuff like that. Pbn didnt like that so they stoped supporting virtue

[Pneumagger]

I belive virtue, had some people from their company register on pbnation and just talk up their boards and stuff like that. Pbn didnt like that so they stoped supporting virtue

Oh RLY?? Troll around any macDev forum or some of the other trademark forums, and you'll see alot of buisiness reps touting their products. Alot of times misleadingly. At least Virtue was straight with everyone and had a product that delivered (or seemed to by all accounts I've heard)

Remember the whole debate on "sweep trajectory" and the claims by one of the reps of how their guns shot furter or something a few months ago. Alien i think it might of been :confused: Or how there was that pic of a MacDev rep modelling some PB wear with a Pistol in his pants?

Plenty of reps do stuff far worthy of a ban then virtue did. One of the PBN mods probably just threw a fit and now their being obtuse about it.

[68magOwner]

honestly, EVERYONE on pbn knows that if they see "i have a * board" it means virtue, so, really, there is no reason to avoid the swear filter at all, your fault

[FallNAngel]

Oh RLY?? Troll around any macDev forum or some of the other trademark forums, and you'll see alot of buisiness reps touting their products. Alot of times misleadingly. At least Virtue was straight with everyone and had a product that delivered (or seemed to by all accounts I've heard)

There's a difference between marketing (even gimmick marketing) and just flatout lieing.

If you want to know the full reason for the ban, here it is: http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=1104355


Plenty of reps do stuff far worthy of a ban then virtue did. One of the PBN mods probably just threw a fit and now their being obtuse about it.

Personally, I disagree. Obviously Virtue was not straight with everyone.


Anyway, I agree with rkjunior... it doesn't matter what the reason for them not wanting you to use virtue is... they don't want you using. You used it anyway, so you got banned. It's clearly stated what happens when you avoid the filter, so don't blame PBN for it.

[BD_Paintball]

you should of just put the stars. everyone knows waht board it is if they see *. i guess you will have to get a new name

[Chronobreak]

as others have said it is a busines(somewhat)

problems with virtue can mean problems for them that they do not want to be associated with nor held responsible for helping to facilitate a bad transaction.

as for 68caliber, i believe it is becase it is technicaly a competing site

BUT when the news comes from their site, they should be and are entitles to the rights and recognition for the article or information. otherwise it should NOT be posted.

^that is my thoughts on it not pbn's as a whole.

[Lohman446]

Oh RLY?? Troll around any macDev forum or some of the other trademark forums, and you'll see alot of buisiness reps touting their products. Alot of times misleadingly. At least Virtue was straight with everyone and had a product that delivered (or seemed to by all accounts I've heard)

Remember the whole debate on "sweep trajectory" and the claims by one of the reps of how their guns shot furter or something a few months ago. Alien i think it might of been :confused: Or how there was that pic of a MacDev rep modelling some PB wear with a Pistol in his pants?

Plenty of reps do stuff far worthy of a ban then virtue did. One of the PBN mods probably just threw a fit and now their being obtuse about it.

Probably not. At least when Jack Rice discusses "sweep" technology or whatever you know its Jack Rice. Ditto Jim Drew. Virtue reps pretended to be other people and starting bashing every thread involving someone elese products. They became disruptive and created "false images" of who they were to try to lure people towards virtue.

[trevorjk]

its pbn, just make a new account

[REDRT]

What is this? Something like in Harry Potter only this time it is the companies name that we shall not speaketh or writeth in this case? Something this stupied shouldn't be sensored IMO.

[FallNAngel]

Or perhaps they just don't want users on their forum being screwed by a company that lies...

[68magOwner]

Or perhaps they just don't want users on their forum being screwed by a company that lies...

because.....advantage PB sells bad products?
.......no, no they dont

[magman007]

They are rip off artists though... you do realize the virtue board is nothing more than a lucky board with their name on it right? and they charge an extra 20 bux for that? the lucky and virtue chip combo is the exact same as buying the virtue board.


Either way, i refuse to do business with em.

[Cow hunter]

because.....advantage PB sells bad products?
.......no, no they dont
no,he did not question the quality of their products, he said that they lie, and people shouldnt have to be screwed over by them

[68magOwner]

no,he did not question the quality of their products, he said that they lie, and people shouldnt have to be screwed over by them

because.....giving people the product they pay for is screwing them over (now, no, i do not agree with adgantage's business practice any more than anyone else here, but, their products are not bad products, even if someone else does make em, if kiddies are stupid enough to pay $20 more for it because it says "virtue" on it, well, here here to the economic system of the USA, i could care less, but, they are not "screwing kids over" they are just making money, if they sold products that didnt work, or they sold things then never shipped them out, now, that would be screwing someone over.

[mag_lover05]

this is why you buy from tadao :shooting:

[SpitFire1299]

as others have said it is a busines(somewhat)

problems with virtue can mean problems for them that they do not want to be associated with nor held responsible for helping to facilitate a bad transaction.

as for 68caliber, i believe it is becase it is technicaly a competing site

BUT when the news comes from their site, they should be and are entitles to the rights and recognition for the article or information. otherwise it should NOT be posted.

^that is my thoughts on it not pbn's as a whole.
Your a pbn mod.. right? assuming this is Kartakeeper..

Virtue and pbnation arent in competition. I did not put anyone at risk, or insult anyone/anything by avoiding the filter. I noticed that it wasnt just me who was banned for this reason. They should filter smart parts also because of all the "stuff" they have done(not trying to pick a fight on that topic).

The thing is that it was a B/S/T topic. PbN has become a lot like ebay.. and if ebay started shutting down peoples auctions/accounts because they avoided a silly word that had to do with ebay(themselves).. then there would be havoc.

To sum things up.. Im very upset that Ive become banned for something so stupid While my money and my reputaiton is on the line.

[FallNAngel]

because.....giving people the product they pay for is screwing them over (now, no, i do not agree with adgantage's business practice any more than anyone else here, but, their products are not bad products, even if someone else does make em, if kiddies are stupid enough to pay $20 more for it because it says "virtue" on it, well, here here to the economic system of the USA, i could care less, but, they are not "screwing kids over" they are just making money, if they sold products that didnt work, or they sold things then never shipped them out, now, that would be screwing someone over.


Yes, their products work... however, they have lied to their customers. Giving themselves false praise and leaving negative feedback to competitors ultimately hurts the customers from making an unbiased decision. I mean, if you ran a company and I left feedback for you saying your customer service was terrible because you sent me a board that didn't work and refused to replace it, I'd say that's screwing customers over. Truth is, your product might be better than mine, but I'm misleading them to take a crappier board.

Just because someone gets what's advertised doesn't mean they didn't get screwed over.



To sum things up.. Im very upset that Ive become banned for something so stupid While my money and my reputaiton is on the line.

:: shrug :: Then don't break the rules. If you get pulled over for speeding, do you blame the cops because "you weren't putting anyone at risk"? You broke a rule that was in place for a purpose. Why not just read the rules and think twice before breaking them... especially when your money and reputation is on the line?


The thing is that it was a B/S/T topic. PbN has become a lot like ebay.. and if ebay started shutting down peoples auctions/accounts because they avoided a silly word that had to do with ebay(themselves).. then there would be havoc.

So if someone came up with a program that would leave feedback for anyone (good or bad), without an actual transaction taking place, you wouldn't think anything of it if they filtered that from their auctions? Of course you would, and so would they. They'd ban the account, cancel all the auctions involving it and filter it from the site. Does it really *hurt* eBay? In a way yes... it reflects on them. If they allowed it to continue, no one would bother with eBay, feedback would mean nothing.

In the end, you can complain all you like about "why" they filter the word. Whether or not you agree with it is subjective. In the end though, no one forced you to break the rules and use it anyway, you brought it on yourself.

[pennywise]

Putting a filter on the word "virtue" is lame, even for PbN.

Anyone else see any irony in that...?

[FallNAngel]

No, I fail to see the irony.

[SpitFire1299]

FallNAngel- Its hard to relate an incident like this to others(such as the pulled over one).

I was breaking the rules however.. many people do not understand that * means virtue. I was not aware of the situation with virtue and pbn until the creation of this topic.

Virtue did not lie to there customers, they just boosted their own company. I love my virtue board.. however i am kind of dissapointed with virtue. Pbn showing its dissapointment for virtue/advantagepb.com should not be taken out on their members.

[FallNAngel]

I was breaking the rules however.. many people do not understand that * means virtue. I was not aware of the situation with virtue and pbn until the creation of this topic.

Actually:
1. You'd be surprised that when you say "comes with a * board" that people can figure out that it's a virtue board
2. If they can't figure it out, the "*" is actually a link... which goes right to the topic talking about the company being banned.

Past that, if you didn't know it was a filtered word, why'd you spell it like "v|i|r|t|u|e" ?


Virtue did not lie to there customers, they just boosted their own company.

I look at giving competitors false negitive feedback as lieing to customers. They're purposefully misleading them... how is that not lieing to them?


Pbn showing its dissapointment for virtue/advantagepb.com should not be taken out on their members.

They should allow it, which would give other companies the OK to mislead customers? In the end, people *will* get fed up with it and leave PBN... which hurts PBN in the long run.

[Lohman446]

Your a pbn mod.. right? assuming this is Kartakeeper..

Virtue and pbnation arent in competition. I did not put anyone at risk, or insult anyone/anything by avoiding the filter. I noticed that it wasnt just me who was banned for this reason. They should filter smart parts also because of all the "stuff" they have done(not trying to pick a fight on that topic).

The thing is that it was a B/S/T topic. PbN has become a lot like ebay.. and if ebay started shutting down peoples auctions/accounts because they avoided a silly word that had to do with ebay(themselves).. then there would be havoc.

To sum things up.. Im very upset that Ive become banned for something so stupid While my money and my reputaiton is on the line.

You are forgetting one very important thing.

A) You agree to certain rules in order to post, or use any online service
B) You pay to use e-bay, not PBN (any support is voluntary).

The "theres money involved" thing just doesn't cut it on a free service. You are using there FREE service to make yourself money, that certainly does not entitle you to preferential treatment.

That being said, filtering virtue is pretty lame in my opinion. However, it doesn't count as I do not own or support those particular boards

[pennywise]

No, I fail to see the irony.
They have filtered the word "virtue"--making it a "bad" word when the actual meaning is contrary. Therefore, PbN is not acting "virtuous" in their decision to disallow a word based on the fact that it shares the name with a product they feel was poorly represented.

This whole thing is chock full o' irony.

[Pump Scout]

Fair warning on this one - Yes, I'm a mod on PBN. Yes, I've asked for bans for people evading the Virtue filter. Yes, I believe PBN has every right to filter any word they want, especially when a company does what AdvantagePB did.

Moving on...

The irony I see in this is that Advantage would name a board designed to cheat the rules "Virtue". Core of the irony right there. Further irony is that the word "virtue" is used so seldom in paintball in general, filtering it (or dodging said filter) only happens when people are talking about a circuit board. Even more irony comes from the fact that people complain about being temporarily banned from a free forum board for breaking their rules. I'm amazed daily at the number of people who claim ignorance on the filter, but knowingly avoid it in their posts, and then complain when a ban comes their way. I've always thought that if a system filters something out, it's obviously not something the system wants there.

As an aside, I checked the logs, and didn't see your name anywhere, so I'm guessing you use another name on PBN. Filter dodges are almost never perm bans, so you should be up and running again soon. Take it for what it is. In spite of what plenty of people (even here, on what I'd considered one of the more intelligent boards on the web) think, PBN mods aren't just a bunch of jerks sitting around waiting for someone to ban at random. There's a quarter of a million user names on there, and we get to deal with everything from porn posts, to people posting someone's personal info, to death threats, to theft... it goes on and on. Mods aren't paid for their work on PBN, and you'd be shocked at some of the garbage we get to put up with in our efforts to keep the insanity down to a dull roar. I've had some private messages that have implied some really unpleasant things about my sexual preferences, my mother, my affiliations with paintball companies, etc.

[dahoeb]

those are some reasonable points. ^^

[manike]

Virtue did not lie to there customers, they just boosted their own company. I love my virtue board.. however i am kind of dissapointed with virtue. Pbn showing its dissapointment for virtue/advantagepb.com should not be taken out on their members.

Actually yes they did. They created false user names to post negative things about competing products and in order to boost their own products. They made up issues and problems with other companies items. If that isn't lieing to your customer base I'm not sure what is?

Did you ever actually read the link that the starred out word takes you to?

As for 'taking things out on the PBN members'. That can't be farther from the truth. PBN made a LOT of money through Advantage PB's advertising on the web site. They lost that when they decided to do what was morally right and to look after their members.

What PBN is actually doing is protecting it's members. If you actualy take a look through the rules, they are mainly designed to try and protect the members. This is why they don't allow things like porn, shops spamming, trolling (being abusive to other members), no racism etc.

The web of deceit and lies generated by Advantage PB and approx 40 fake usernames they created, was NOT good for the members of PBN. It wasn't fair on other companies with similar products and it didn't create a fair and accurate knowledge base of their products in comparison.

The unprecedented actions taking against Virtue are a step to try and ensure other companies understand how seriously fraud is taken on PBN. It's an effort to stop it happening again, and to continue protecting the member, from lies, fraud and deceit.

The act of filtering 'virtue' actually didn't happen until a while after the whole mess with their fake names came about. It was a secondary measure after Advantage PB, again tried to circumnavigate the filtering system and get back on PBN in order to continue spamming their products. At this point they were no longer welcome, and knew it. Extreme measures were then taken.

In essence though, PBN has no problem with you typing 'Virtue'. Everyone can read the link and see what board you meant, and also learn about who that board comes from. The excuse that you 'had to avoid the filter so people could tell what you were selling' is not a valid one.

What PBN has a problem with, is you intentionally breaking the rules there. You signed up and said you would follow them. You didn't, and that's why you were temp banned.

[Aslan]

You are forgetting one very important thing.

A) You agree to certain rules in order to post, or use any online service
B) You pay to use e-bay, not PBN (any support is voluntary).

The "theres money involved" thing just doesn't cut it on a free service. You are using there FREE service to make yourself money, that certainly does not entitle you to preferential treatment.

That being said, filtering virtue is pretty lame in my opinion. However, it doesn't count as I do not own or support those particular boards

Wow, you can get banned on pbnation? Did you post a video of you killing somone as an avatar or something? I bet if you were a supporting member you wouldn't have been banned!! OOooo!

As for my experience, I didn't even think pbnation banned anyone. With the garbage threads and posts over there and the juvenile stuff...it does seem odd that you'd get banned for selling you * board. Oh well. Personally, I've had nothing but positive experiences with the mods at pbnation...the users, well, that's another thing...they can be extreme tards :tard: at times...but the mods have been cool. :hail:

As for my bannage experience...got banned temporarily here once (thus the creation of my slogan)...for something...I don't remember now. I think I was up late and was trying to be funny and it got interpreted as a flame or something. The mod, I can't remember who it was, was cool about it and reversed it after a couple days. :hail:

The only other one I can think of is I think I got warned once on pbreview by Lopez for "reviving old posts." Essentially, I got banned for using the search function rather than starting another thread on the same topic. What kind've annoyed me about it was I PMd him to ask about it and he didn't even bother answering. :shooting:

[manike]

Just FYI. There has been 24 people banned SO FAR today on PBN. Since the evening is the busiest time for PBN, it's not suprising if over 40-50 people (yesterday was 40) people will get banned each day.

People get banned for breaking the rules whether they have supporting member status or not.

[Lohman446]

Rules of scale. The moderators on AO get to know the members better and can take a better judgement if a violation of the rules is intentional or against the intent of the rule. I may make posts in jest that would be flaming if taken seriously. The moderators can take that, along with an individuals past behavior into account because of the smaller active community.

PBN the moderators have so much to deal with in just mass of posts that the same attention cannot be applied. It becomes a black and white line. Did you break a rule? If you did, expect to be banned.

[txaggie08]

B) You pay to use e-bay, not PBN (any support is voluntary).




actualy ebay is free to buy on. Now to sell on no, but to buy on yes.

Censorship of a for slae add is ridiculous, but not in the rest of the forums. If someone is using a selling area, they should be free to list there parts, regardless of the issues they have with the forum, or should be banned from selling said parts. One or the other, not both.

[Lohman446]

actualy ebay is free to buy on. Now to sell on no, but to buy on yes.

Censorship of a for slae add is ridiculous, but not in the rest of the forums. If someone is using a selling area, they should be free to list there parts, regardless of the issues they have with the forum, or should be banned from selling said parts. One or the other, not both.

:D We were discussing it in the context of selling. But I'll give you those points.

[txaggie08]

in adendum to my original post, if the company has made that much trouble, has done that many things wrong, i think there products need to be banned from sale on the forums as well. Ebay has, and continues, to ban certain things from sale due to scam artists, bad feedback issues, etc.

[pennywise]

Fair warning on this one - Yes, I'm a mod on PBN. Yes, I've asked for bans for people evading the Virtue filter. Yes, I believe PBN has every right to filter any word they want, especially when a company does what AdvantagePB did.

Moving on...

The irony I see in this is that Advantage would name a board designed to cheat the rules "Virtue". Core of the irony right there. Further irony is that the word "virtue" is used so seldom in paintball in general, filtering it (or dodging said filter) only happens when people are talking about a circuit board. Even more irony comes from the fact that people complain about being temporarily banned from a free forum board for breaking their rules. I'm amazed daily at the number of people who claim ignorance on the filter, but knowingly avoid it in their posts, and then complain when a ban comes their way. I've always thought that if a system filters something out, it's obviously not something the system wants there.

As an aside, I checked the logs, and didn't see your name anywhere, so I'm guessing you use another name on PBN. Filter dodges are almost never perm bans, so you should be up and running again soon. Take it for what it is. In spite of what plenty of people (even here, on what I'd considered one of the more intelligent boards on the web) think, PBN mods aren't just a bunch of jerks sitting around waiting for someone to ban at random. There's a quarter of a million user names on there, and we get to deal with everything from porn posts, to people posting someone's personal info, to death threats, to theft... it goes on and on. Mods aren't paid for their work on PBN, and you'd be shocked at some of the garbage we get to put up with in our efforts to keep the insanity down to a dull roar. I've had some private messages that have implied some really unpleasant things about my sexual preferences, my mother, my affiliations with paintball companies, etc.
Touche. ;)

[txaggie08]

BTW pump scout, if youlld ever like someone to think up funny rhetorts to some of those messages, forward them to me and ill reply for you :D :D :D :ninja:

[mobsterboy]

Fair warning on this one - Yes, I'm a mod on PBN. Yes, I've asked for bans for people evading the Virtue filter. Yes, I believe PBN has every right to filter any word they want, especially when a company does what AdvantagePB did.

Moving on...

The irony I see in this is that Advantage would name a board designed to cheat the rules "Virtue". Core of the irony right there. Further irony is that the word "virtue" is used so seldom in paintball in general, filtering it (or dodging said filter) only happens when people are talking about a circuit board. Even more irony comes from the fact that people complain about being temporarily banned from a free forum board for breaking their rules. I'm amazed daily at the number of people who claim ignorance on the filter, but knowingly avoid it in their posts, and then complain when a ban comes their way. I've always thought that if a system filters something out, it's obviously not something the system wants there.

As an aside, I checked the logs, and didn't see your name anywhere, so I'm guessing you use another name on PBN. Filter dodges are almost never perm bans, so you should be up and running again soon. Take it for what it is. In spite of what plenty of people (even here, on what I'd considered one of the more intelligent boards on the web) think, PBN mods aren't just a bunch of jerks sitting around waiting for someone to ban at random. There's a quarter of a million user names on there, and we get to deal with everything from porn posts, to people posting someone's personal info, to death threats, to theft... it goes on and on. Mods aren't paid for their work on PBN, and you'd be shocked at some of the garbage we get to put up with in our efforts to keep the insanity down to a dull roar. I've had some private messages that have implied some really unpleasant things about my sexual preferences, my mother, my affiliations with paintball companies, etc.

all at the same time? Wow, Ive never actually come up with a one line diss to do that... :D
Didn't you see the note by "Modding for Dummies"? The part about it being a thankless job? :D Well, almost thankless
Thanks

Spitfire. Ok. So you knew the rules. You knew it was going to be censored out. You avoided it. Why are you *****ing again? Oh thats right, cuz you got caught. Think about that next time someone wipes and it causes you the extra points of winning the game. They know its wrong too. Does this make it acceptable to you?

[smilestyler]

No, I fail to see the irony.

I see the irony in that I can't go to PBN with my wife and kids in the room because of some of the images in peoples profiles, yet they would put a word in their cuss filter because moral/ethical reasoning. :rolleyes:

[FallNAngel]

1. Turn off avatars
2. Turn off the TV... they'll likely see that or worse otherwise.

[Jonno06]

I belive virtue, had some people from their company register on pbnation and just talk up their boards and stuff like that. Pbn didnt like that so they stoped supporting virtue

100% correct, not only did they poison the well and talk false/wrong info about their competitors products, but they also had their own employees leave them good feedback and such.

What they did was stupid, and wrong. But id still use a virtue board because its a quality product, and it delivers.

[mobsterboy]

100% correct, not only did they poison the well and talk false/wrong info about their competitors products, but they also had their own employees leave them good feedback and such.

What they did was stupid, and wrong. But id still use a virtue board because its a quality product, and it delivers.

classic case of hypocricy :ninja:

[50 cal]

Geez, it's only PBN. It's not like you were sent to prison for life. It's a child like site ran by by child like people. No big loss.

If that's the worse thing that ever happens to you in life, consider yourself extremely lucky.

[Chronobreak]

Geez, it's only PBN. It's not like you were sent to prison for life. It's a child like site ran by by child like people. No big loss.

If that's the worse thing that ever happens to you in life, consider yourself extremely lucky.


guess people like me and manike are childish?

well i guess thats a compliment then

[50 cal]

You own it and operate it? Good for you. But the place is still a kindergarten.

[mobsterboy]

You own it and operate it? Good for you. But the place is still a kindergarten.

your ignorance makes up for the little i actually know about you. PBNation is actually a very informative site with sections for respective companies and such, teams and what not. Its just a matter of weaving through the dumb posters that have nothing better to do than say "im teh gainess, i like butt secs, hump a camel" and the ones that are like "hawtest [insert your gun name here] on the nation!!!!!1111oneoneoneoneoneone" that you have to watch out for. Search is your friend, and elite deal seeker is even better

[Chronobreak]

im not sure who actualy owns it vs who runs it

i know the mods/admins run it from day to day for the most part, i believe the ownerhsip is a seperate entity for the most part.

but i could be wrong, i dont know exactly how TEH pbnz workz

i cant say i agree with everything on pbn, however if it was my site im sure i would be living a tad more comfortably :cool:

[tyrion2323]

PBN is hectic, sure, but it's a million times larger than AO, with a younger user-base. Of course there are going to be good and bad apples.

It's not as if we don't have our share of morons and spammers here. Look at Lohman. ;)

[SpitFire1299]

Ive been unbanned since monday.. lol. I was never really *****ing; rather ranting and sharing my opinion on what happened. I kind of had the wrong approach to the situation when creating this topic.

I do understand that AO and PBN are 2 different forums, but most of us here associate with both. I still stand by my previous posts in this forum also.

Im keeping my Virchoo matrix btw. :ninja:

[REDRT]

It's not as if we don't have our share of morons and spammers here. Look at Lohman. ;)

:spit_take

[Dye Angel Guy]

I actually know the guys Georgia Tech that design pbnation so I will ask them and see what the big deal is about Virtue. Unless some one can tell me to begin with... If it is in a classified thread I don't see the problem with it because how are you suppose to sell your marker with a ***** board. Technically when the marker arrives at the persons house all it has to have is a piece of wood (board) with ****** on it and it would be what the thread offered. So PBNation is supporting deceptive practices???

[deathstalker]

Er, I think someone decided to not read posts longer than one sentence.

As for PbN supporting deceptive practices? Give me a break. They aren't selling anything! Any deception is practiced by the seller. Besides, caveat emptor. Communicate with the seller outside of PbN to verify details. It's something you should do no matter what you are selling or buying, just to have multiple means of contact.

[Dye Angel Guy]

You got me with not really reading all the posts, I admit that. It is possible to blame PBNation for a misuse of the "virtue" but yes you should always do the deal outside of the forum to check references and credibility. If you don't I think it is your fault if something is wrong or goes wrong. There are those people out there that will take advantage of situations like this. I suppose it does not help that I just told them how to do it either.

[SpitFire1299]

Er, I think someone decided to not read posts longer than one sentence.

As for PbN supporting deceptive practices? Give me a break. They aren't selling anything! Any deception is practiced by the seller.

What about gold ups? memberships? "bst trusted"?

[Dye Angel Guy]

they encourage you to not use specific brand names in ads which provokes the ad creater to use things such as ***** or v/i/t/u/e/ to get around what the part really entails.

[deathstalker]

What about gold ups? memberships? "bst trusted"?
What about them? Are you saying these things show how PbN supports deceptive business practices? Or my comment about PbN not selling anything? If it's the former, I need your help understanding your point. If it is the latter, my point about them not selling anything referred to the topic: VIRTUE BOARDS. PbNation, Inc. does not try to defraud users like AdvantagePB did.

Dye Angel Guy, could you tell me how many other brand names are censored on PbN? To my knowledge, only one brand name has been censored, and for a very good reason. They were liars. They do not disallow the selling of items from this company, but choose not to display this company's name. It's their forum and then can choose to do so. Again, the company broke the rules they agreed to follow.

Funny how so many people still bag on Smart Parts, yet people are coming dangerously close to defending a company that knowingly and willingly tried to defraud potential customers. SP never did THAT.

[mobsterboy]

What about gold ups? memberships? "bst trusted"?

those are perks. Like if you were given a stock standard car, naturally things that would help you in the ride along (leather, ac, power everything, nose picker, head itcher, stuff like that) would be more money.

[Dye Angel Guy]

ah yes but you pruchase them