Logic Ultimate Mech Mag Frame

[going_home]

Best frame for a mechanical mag hands down.
Better than Logic or RPG vert frames.
Sure you have to use an RT Pro or aftermarket rail if you want a foregrip
but its still the best frame out there.

I say Logic needs to bring them back even if he has to charge more for them.
Lets hear your thoughts on this guys.

;)

[650HP]

I absolutely love mine.

[darqueMeye]

id get one! :headbang:

[Chronobreak]

meh, its all preferance

ive shot both, and any differances are negligble imo

i believe logic said fi ENOUGH people ask for thema gain hed do a small run.. :cool:
(logicpaintball.com)

dont wanna flood the market, gotta keep that resale and rare part prices up aye

[warbeak2099]

It does seem like the perfect mech frame. The comfort of a vert frame and the low profile of a .45. It's win win. I'm probably just gonna use my left over V1 logic vert frame on my backup mech tho. If I didn't have a frame though, I'd pick up one of these.

[syl58]

i pmed him and he said if we could get a group of about 25 people to buy one, he would make about 50 for about 100$ each.

[going_home]

meh, its all preferance

ive shot both, and any differances are negligble imo

i believe logic said fi ENOUGH people ask for thema gain hed do a small run.. :cool:
(logicpaintball.com)

dont wanna flood the market, gotta keep that resale and rare part prices up aye

I have both frames. And the UMF is without a doubt a major upgrade over the vert frames.
I tried the same sweetly tuned Xvalve with both frames.
I can two finger walk it with the UMF but not the vert.
More room in the trigger guard makes the difference.



i pmed him and he said if we could get a group of about 25 people to buy one, he would make about 50 for about 100$ each.

Thats why I started this thread. I saw your post.
:bounce:

[robnix]

Best frame for a mechanical mag hands down.
Better than Logic or RPG vert frames.
Sure you have to use an RT Pro or aftermarket rail if you want a foregrip
but its still the best frame out there.

I say Logic needs to bring them back even if he has to charge more for them.
Lets hear your thoughts on this guys.

;)

Agreed, I love mine. AGD should license the design and sell it on RT Pro's instead of the intelliframe.

[olinar]

He Said He Would Do Umf For $100 Each?it Sounds Good To Me Though.if He Does Decide To Do A Group Of Them Definitely Put Me Down For 2.thx

[minimag03]

I might buy a second one to many into a pnueframe. Or maybe a third to keep and resale later when people realized that they missed the second run of the best mech mag frame.

[syl58]

so whats the count?

[Pneumagger]

so whats the count?

+1

[blamtro]

put me down for one please

[behemoth]

You go ahead and tell Ryan i'll take one too.

[Jimbud]

I'm in for one.

[going_home]

Agreed, I love mine. AGD should license the design and sell it on RT Pro's instead of the intelliframe.

They could offer it as a 50.00 upgrade or something.
Its a great idea robnix !
:clap:

[nate2k191]

with all the good reviews i've heard, i'd buy one, even if i had to sell some gear :rofl:

[CoolHand]

Alright guys, I can see there is significant interest in having them come back.

However, since my situation has changed significantly, so will the way things work around Logic Paintball.

For starters, I'm not going to be retailing my products directly anymore. I'm going start wholesaling to Have Blue at Air Soldier Products.

From now on, he will be doing my distribution exclusively.

This solves a great many of my time crunch issues, as HB will deal with the customers. All I have to do is make the parts and send them to ano.

A few things will change about the packaging. No more allen keys and whatnot, unless HB wants to start packaging them for me. I just don't have time for that stuff anymore. This also means that we won't be as flexible with color choices anymore. You will be able to get gloss black, maybe red or blue (big maybe there, and if we do, it will be like 10 of each per batch), and raw unassembled. This reduces HB's stock and let him and me both sell at a much closer margin.

They'll still come with safeties, assuming I can still buy them from AGD. If not, they'll still accept the CF frame safety, but not come with them.

Whatever else changes, I will always stand behind the products with my logo on them, that much you can always count on.

I have a great many things I wanted to do with Mags still, but I just don't have time anymore to do them all myself. If I can delegate successfully, this will increase my involvement many fold.

Overall, what I do in the future greatly depends on how this batch of frames goes over with HB and you all.

[syl58]

so does that mean now is the time to flood have blue's email? or has he already started a distribution plan?

[nate2k191]

awesome coolhand, i'm glad you are doing what you can for us. it's much appreciated.

:cheers:

[CoolHand]

so does that mean now is the time to flood have blue's email? or has he already started a distribution plan?

NO, don't inundate HB yet, I don't even know what they're gonna cost yet, let alone when I can have a batch done.

I do have an anodizer lined up amazingly enough, and for solid colors, they look like they'll be pretty fast.

How would you all feel about satin colors instead of gloss? It would help keep the costs low and the turnaround quick if they didn't have to polish them. Perhaps even a dust finish?

Problem is that most Mag parts are some form of gloss or at least a dull satin, never as machined. I want them to be cheap, but not at the cost of looking cheap.

At this point, I'm not even sure if HB will want to deal in the quantities I'm used to working in, they may be way above or below what he needs to handle. I dunno yet.

Just hang tight guys, and don't freak him out just yet. If I am going to put out any production parts at all, I need for this arrangement with him to work out.

When I get the deal hashed out with HB, and then I get the time line figured, THEN I'll let you all know what's going down.

If you hear nothing on this front for a while, it means I have nothing to report. Seriously, I'll post when I have news, and not before. I mean it. Really. Don't bug HB at all until you see a link to a product of mine on his site.

That is all for tonight. We shall see what the new week brings.

[Pneumagger]

look into gruntbull anodizing - I just had my mag done there (excellent job). For markers it's about $5.50 apeice for a dust finish solid color so I Imagine you could save some money on a very quality anno there.

If you get dust black UMF's, I'm definately in. Then I'll have 3 different logic frames for 1 gun :headbang: All I would need is the original logic Vert to complete my collection.

Also, can you consider including some good looking grips with those (like a version of the old logic frymarks)

[CoolHand]

look into bruntbull anodizing - I just had my mag done there (excellent). For markers it's about $5.50 apeice for a dust finish solid color so I Imagine you could save some money on a quality anno there.

If you get dust black UMF's, I'm definately in. Then I'll have 3 different logic frames for 1 gun :headbang:

Indeed, I've heard good things from now over a dozen different places, and I've been approached by them in an effort to win my business. They look hungry, and their ano looks to be high quality. What I like most is that they have been anodizing for quite some time now, just not paintball parts.

I have grown not to trust any ano company who rings me up looking to do all my work and I find that they've been anodizing in their garage for about three weeks.

These guys look to be not too bad at all. I'm fixing to send off a batch of stuff to see how they do, and get a price quote. I'll let you guys know how it turns out.

Ok, now this really is all for tonight. I mean it. Seriously.

;)

[Pneumagger]

well here is their work firsthand (click for closeup)...totally flawless. They even installed my feedneck with locktite for me free :cheers:

<a href="http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g45/jrm33/Black%20Widow/100_1568.jpg"><img src="http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g45/jrm33/Black%20Widow/100_1568.jpg" width="600" height="450"></img></a>

[going_home]

I cant reccomend Fireball Mountain for anodizing.
I sent them a blue Xvalve and got the marker parts back 2 tone:

http://s19.photobucket.com/albums/b195/going_home/?action=view&current=a4315526.jpg&refPage=&imgAnch=imgAnch8

I emailed them that I was not happy and felt ripped off and never got a response.
I always got a response from emails before that.

http://www.airsoldier.com is who I get my macroline from.
I've been looking at that M98 pump kit he has on there.
I'm guessing he will add the UMF to his sight somewhere
when the time comes.

My opinion dust anodizing would be fine. Xvalves arent a true gloss anyways.

:clap:

[CoolHand]

Oh yes, you can count on FBM not doing anything of mine.

They screwed me a few times about six years ago, when I was first starting out. Not going back for seconds on that, not to mention that they are known knock-off artists if not outright thieves.

Don't ever trust those guys, with anything.

I like dust ano personally. It's fast, it's easier to apply, it's cheaper to apply, AND it wears better in real life. That's a win/win IMO.

Still, some things look better in a nice wet gloss.

We'll see, I'll have them do a few parts, in a few colors, in both finishes.

[nate2k191]

i'd love a gloss one to go with all my other glossed aftermarket parts, but i might buy one if its dust also.

[Dartshot123]

I would totally buy one of these if they came back out. I wanna build myself a nice mech mag sometime soon anyway, maybe even get it pneu'd. :D

[Pacifist_Farmer]

If your still looking for more reasons to make them, I'll buy one.

[Lenny]

If this thing's a go for sure, put me down for 2, raw.

I already have one and it is pure crack. The comfort of EVERYTHING is unmatched! The way it sets my tank, the hump on the back, the way the finger marks on grips angle upward.

The closest thing to heroine in the world of paintball!

EDIT: Do you still make them for Shockers? If so, I may consider buying one... :D

[CoolHand]

If this thing's a go for sure, put me down for 2, raw.

I already have one and it is pure crack. The comfort of EVERYTHING is unmatched! The way it sets my tank, the hump on the back, the way the finger marks on grips angle upward.

The closest thing to heroine in the world of paintball!

EDIT: Do you still make them for Shockers? If so, I may consider buying one... :D

I have not gotten started on the batch just yet, I have a few other parts that need to go into production at the same time, so it's dragging behind.

I do not make them for Shockers anymore, but YDNA bought out all the rest I had in stock ( a dozen I think ), so he may have some to spare.

I may do another run of them as well, though now the market is quite crowded in shockerland.

[nate2k191]

I have not gotten started on the batch just yet, I have a few other parts that need to go into production at the same time, so it's dragging behind.

I do not make them for Shockers anymore, but YDNA bought out all the rest I had in stock ( a dozen I think ), so he may have some to spare.

I may do another run of them as well, though now the market is quite crowded in shockerland.

can't wait, Thanks for doin another batch!

:cheers:

[blamtro]

Has anyone heard when Coolhand is going to be doing another run of UMFs? Nothing new in this thread since August...

[CoolHand]

Has anyone heard when Coolhand is going to be doing another run of UMFs? Nothing new in this thread since August...

Basically, I just haven't gotten to it yet.

I've got the entire preorder of UEF's to do still, and my day job has literally been keeping me at a dead run for months now. I just haven't had any time for anything else.

The job shop that did the UMF's for me last time has since taken on contract work and cannot do my small batch stuff anymore, which leaves me to work on the prints and find another shop which can do the work and not steal from me.

That all takes time, and that has been in very short supply of late.

I'll get to the UMF's when I can finally see light again.

Right now, I just can't spare the time.

[blamtro]

Cool, at least they will come.

[FinchMan]

I'd be interested in one, especially if they are around $100.

[Lenny]

I'd be interested in one, especially if they are around $100.
If he's only a small run, I'd be expecting the price to be around $150-$200. But you know what, these frames are more than worth it!

I seriously can't stand .45's any more thanks to my UMF. I'm trying to build a Sniper pump, and that's going to have a CCM 86*. If I ever wanted an Ion, it'd have an FBM 86*. Etc. The difference in comfort is HUGE! It's almost a curse that a standard .45 will never feel right again... Oh well! :p

/end praise :hail:

Hey Coolhand, have you tried contacting Rogue about his machinist(s)? I know he's doing a preorder for his Chimera's. He might be able to help you out.

Also, are you going to offer them raw only or a general anno? If you decide to go with an anno, Gruntbull does fantastic work.

Anyway, whenever the time comes, put me on the list for 2! (And if things go my way, maybe 3... :D )

[warbeak2099]

Hey Coolhand, have you tried contacting Rogue about his machinist(s)? I know he's doing a preorder for his Chimera's. He might be able to help you out.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y79/warbeak2099/HaHa.jpg

[Triangle]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y79/warbeak2099/HaHa.jpg

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[CoolHand]

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y79/warbeak2099/HaHa.jpg

LMAO That's a good one WB.

God I love the internet.

Rogue's been cool lately though, so I wouldn't poke him too hard.

[warbeak2099]

LMAO That's a good one WB.

God I love the internet.

Rogue's been cool lately though, so I wouldn't poke him too hard.

Hehehe, just a wittle poke. :cheers:

[Warwitch]

Definitely want one. $150 dosent sound unreasonable to me, bring em'!

[Lenny]

Hmm... any chance we could have a built in snatch grip? That'd be nice... :rolleyes:

[Warwitch]

Hmm... any chance we could have a built in snatch grip? That'd be nice... :rolleyes:


snatch grip, lol. still makes me laugh everytime!

[Lenny]

snatch grip, lol. still makes me laugh everytime!
Wow... I've never thought of it that way before... :spit_take

[warbeak2099]

Wow... I've never thought of it that way before... :spit_take

I have, get with the program. Thinking dirty is in.

[Warwitch]

I always thought of a snatchgrip as similar to holding a bowling ball..... :p

[GT]

bump,
Found this thread, thought there might be an update.

[CoolHand]

bump,
Found this thread, thought there might be an update.

Nope, sorry, I've been up to my eyeballs with real work for months now.

Then I got hurt in the machine shop.

So now I'm gimpy AND busy as hell.

No rest in sight.

If I EVER get a break AND I can find a machinist that isn't equally as busy, I'll get some made.

At this point I would not set aside food money to buy one. :ninja:

[Triangle]

Nope, sorry, I've been up to my eyeballs with real work for months now.

Then I got hurt in the machine shop.

So now I'm gimpy AND busy as hell.

No rest in sight.

If I EVER get a break AND I can find a machinist that isn't equally as busy, I'll get some made.

At this point I would not set aside food money to buy one. :ninja:

Where's my Dallara?

[CoolHand]

Where's my Dallara?

In your ***!!!!

:tard:

:rolleyes:

:spit_take

:wow:

:headbang:

:ninja:

:hail:

[Triangle]

In my ***!!!!

:tard:

:rolleyes:

:spit_take

:wow:

:headbang:

:ninja:

:hail:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/StaticKnight/what.jpg

[don miguel]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/StaticKnight/what.jpg

KKK? :eek:

[mobsterboy]

for the record, these are not comparable to Logic OR Rogue's vert frames, simply because its a hybrid, not a vert frame. Its in a class of its own, hitting and missing on people's comfort levels.

[Triangle]

for the record, these are not comparable to Logic OR Rogue's vert frames, simply because its a hybrid, not a vert frame. Its in a class of its own, hitting and missing on people's comfort levels.


Mobsterboy is correct.

While I loved the one I toyed with, others may not.

[mobsterboy]

KKK? :eek:

I'm with your mother, smackin teh black outta her... :ninja:

[Triangle]

I'm with your mother, smackin teh black outta her... :ninja:

When do I get a turn?

[Nate129]

Not sure where things are at with this - but I would definitely be on the list for a dust black UMF.

[Triangle]

Not sure where things are at with this - but I would definitely be on the list for a dust black UMF.

If you go and read the thread, you'll know where things are.

[Nate129]

If you go and read the thread, you'll know where things are.
Gee, that was helpful...thanks a bunch for your kind words.
I read the thread - and things aren't completely cut and dry with where production stands. I was just posting my interest, and maybe a place in line if they are limited.
No need to be like that.

[CoolHand]

Gee, that was helpful...thanks a bunch for your kind words.
I read the thread - and things aren't completely cut and dry with where production stands. I was just posting my interest, and maybe a place in line if they are limited.
No need to be like that.

Well, if you read MY last post you might see what's going on:


Nope, sorry, I've been up to my eyeballs with real work for months now.

Then I got hurt in the machine shop.

So now I'm gimpy AND busy as hell.

No rest in sight.

If I EVER get a break AND I can find a machinist that isn't equally as busy, I'll get some made.

At this point I would not set aside food money to buy one. :ninja:

[Lenny]

I didn't know you got hurt. What happened? Hope ya feel better!

And not to be pushy, but I'm still down for 2 (maybe 3). I love mine to death. Best upgrade I've ever bought for my 'Mag.

[Nate129]

WOW.
I post that I am unsure where production is (which, judging by BOTH of your posts, is pretty much where you are as well...UNSURE.)...and I get flamed?
Nice.
Just wanted to get in line for a frame - didn't realize I phrased my post so incredibly poorly.

[CoolHand]

I didn't know you got hurt. What happened? Hope ya feel better!

And not to be pushy, but I'm still down for 2 (maybe 3). I love mine to death. Best upgrade I've ever bought for my 'Mag.

I picked a fight with my Bridgeport, and lost.

Came out with 15 stitches and at least a month of being gimpy, maybe more.

Don't talk **** to your machine tools, they hold grudges. :ninja:

[Ydna]

Well you have to talk dirty to them...everybody knows that.

Unless they know you know...

[Lenny]

I picked a fight with my Bridgeport, and lost.

Came out with 15 stitches and at least a month of being gimpy, maybe more.

Don't talk **** to your machine tools, they hold grudges. :ninja:
Ouch!

[mobsterboy]

I picked a fight with my Bridgeport, and lost.

Came out with 15 stitches and at least a month of being gimpy, maybe more.

Don't talk **** to your machine tools, they hold grudges. :ninja:

Behemoths brother started talking trash to his dremel...
didnt end well for that poor am/mm rail that he was messing around with
/pics up once exams are over
//studying/ninja ao'ing at 1 am ftw

[Joe McGuire]

Im definitely interested in one, if they ever come into production again. It seems to me that this could be a rather large run of grips from the amount of interest

[armyboot]

Ill take one too. :)

[Triangle]

Im definitely interested in one, if they ever come into production again. It seems to me that this could be a rather large run of grips from the amount of interest


You must be new to AO.

[going_home]

You must be new to AO.

You need some time out in the corner dude.
645 posts in 3 months ? Come on !
Take some time to breath young feller !
http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b195/going_home/bushbabyAP130706_479x600.jpg

[CoolHand]

Im definitely interested in one, if they ever come into production again. It seems to me that this could be a rather large run of grips from the amount of interest

Oh no, that's not a large run. At best with the interest here, I could sell about 15-20.

A large run is 5000. A medium run is 750. A small run is 100. A very minimum run is 50.

Anything less than 50 is getting too expensive to sell and break even on.

Bottom line, the last run was 50, that one took seven months to move, and I lost money on them.

So, would you 15-20 guys be willing to pay $175 a piece for these frames? If the answer is yes, then I will get them cut, otherwise, I'll end up taking a loss on them.

I've already taken a grand hosing on the EMag frames, so I'd rather not run headlong into another debacle like that for a while.

Merry Christmas all.

:cheers:

[bentothejam1n]

You need some time out in the corner dude.
645 posts in 3 months ? Come on !
Take some time to breath young feller !

ever seen dons post count?

[Triangle]

You need some time out in the corner dude.
645 posts in 3 months ? Come on !
Take some time to breath young feller

LOL.


Naw.

[jaywmustang]

i would buy one

[going_home]

Oh no, that's not a large run. At best with the interest here, I could sell about 15-20.

A large run is 5000. A medium run is 750. A small run is 100. A very minimum run is 50.

Anything less than 50 is getting too expensive to sell and break even on.

Bottom line, the last run was 50, that one took seven months to move, and I lost money on them.

So, would you 15-20 guys be willing to pay $175 a piece for these frames? If the answer is yes, then I will get them cut, otherwise, I'll end up taking a loss on them.

I've already taken a grand hosing on the EMag frames, so I'd rather not run headlong into another debacle like that for a while.

Merry Christmas all.

:cheers:


I've said all along you should go up on the price when and if you do another run.
I have seen them go for 175.00 on Ebay .
Why shouldnt you make money on your ideas ?
They come with the upgraded trigger already.
On the only other made for mags custom frames, its an upgrade to get the best trigger !
:bounce:

[Triangle]

I've said all along you should go up on the price when and if you do another run.
I have seen them go for 175.00 on Ebay .
Why shouldnt you make money on your ideas ?
They come with the upgraded trigger already.
On the only other made for mags custom frames, its an upgrade to get the best trigger !
:bounce:


Good thing Ryan listened to you about your idea on raising the price so he'd break even,or make a profit!

You should do consulting for Roguefactor.

[CoolHand]

You should do consulting for Roguefactor.

Ouch.

I honestly don't know how Rogue sells some of the stuff he sells for the price he sells it for.

He must have some kind of leverage on his machinist. :eek:

"I know you'd like to have more for your work Mr Machine Man, but this envelope of pictures here keeps telling me you're not worth it."

/Blackmail FTW
//All the machinists around here are squeaky clean
///I know, I've checked.
//// :ninja:

[Lenny]

//All the machinists around here are squeaky clean
///I know, I've checked.
//// :ninja:
With medical spec latex gloves, I hope... :ninja:


:spit_take

[behemoth]

With medical spec latex gloves, I hope... :ninja:


:spit_take

Nope, just a healthy coating of KY.

[Lenny]

Nope, just a healthy coating of KY.
ew... Did Triangle ship your baby yet?

[CoolHand]

Nope, just a healthy coating of KY.

Honestly, they were machinists. :rolleyes:

/It was a combo of way oil and cosmoline.
//Ya Rly, I went there.

[olinar]

in about 3-6 years im going to have a cnc mill for sure.i can tell you all how and whay but maybe later.in 1 year ill have my own manual mill though and ill be pumpin my own stuff out.

[CoolHand]

in about 3-6 years im going to have a cnc mill for sure.i can tell you all how and whay but maybe later.in 1 year ill have my own manual mill though and ill be pumpin my own stuff out.

OK.

Thanks?

Take my advice friend, get trained by someone who knows what they're doing.

Trust me, I've got a foot long scar that says even with years of experience, you can get bit hard by a machine tool, in the blink of an eye.

Be safe, and Merry Christmas.

:cheers:

[olinar]

ya lol thats why im not doing anything serious or big with it for another 2 years.my uncle is moving down here and opening a garage with my bro.my dads gonna build the spot and my uncle and brother will run it with a performance section as well as a tune up/oil change thing.im gonna learn how to use the mill next semester at school through a school program as well as minor welding and machining.im going to eventually make performance parts with it.also lots of mag parts in between jobs lol.
my last post came out weird.you ever think something and say something completely different.well i for got what i was thinking lol.hope you get well soon and clear your plate,because theres already a few people hounding ya for some frames.

happy holidays either way.

[behemoth]

Ambition, hopes, and dreams are the words of the day.

I'm going to be a astronaut. How bout you ryan? What are you going to be when you grow up?

[CoolHand]

Ambition, hopes, and dreams are the words of the day.

I'm going to be a astronaut. How bout you ryan? What are you going to be when you grow up?

What is this "Grow Up" that you speak of? :confused:

I hear that grown ups have aches and pains, and can't use the bathroom regularly. :eek:

No way I'm going there. :nono:

[behemoth]

What is this "Grow Up" that you speak of? :confused:

I hear that grown ups have aches and pains, and can't use the bathroom regularly. :eek:

No way I'm going there. :nono:

After enough beers, nobody can use the bathoom regularly.

[zazzoo]

i would take one so get back to work :cuss:
yea but if you get back to making i would be in line for one

[Lenny]

After enough beers, nobody can use the bathoom regularly.
For me it's more frequently...

Damn Bacardi! Why are you so good!?
And why do the parents have to be in town!

[Joe McGuire]

You must be new to AO.

I am new to AO.

and I never thought about a large run being 5000 units.

Yea I guess it would be hard to find interest for that many.

Well anyway Im still intersted.

[PaintballSmurf13]

Alright guys, I can see there is significant interest in having them come back.

However, since my situation has changed significantly, so will the way things work around Logic Paintball.

For starters, I'm not going to be retailing my products directly anymore. I'm going start wholesaling to Have Blue at Air Soldier Products.

From now on, he will be doing my distribution exclusively.

This solves a great many of my time crunch issues, as HB will deal with the customers. All I have to do is make the parts and send them to ano.

A few things will change about the packaging. No more allen keys and whatnot, unless HB wants to start packaging them for me. I just don't have time for that stuff anymore. This also means that we won't be as flexible with color choices anymore. You will be able to get gloss black, maybe red or blue (big maybe there, and if we do, it will be like 10 of each per batch), and raw unassembled. This reduces HB's stock and let him and me both sell at a much closer margin.

They'll still come with safeties, assuming I can still buy them from AGD. If not, they'll still accept the CF frame safety, but not come with them.

Whatever else changes, I will always stand behind the products with my logo on them, that much you can always count on.

I have a great many things I wanted to do with Mags still, but I just don't have time anymore to do them all myself. If I can delegate successfully, this will increase my involvement many fold.

Overall, what I do in the future greatly depends on how this batch of frames goes over with HB and you all.


omfg YES!! :headbang:

i love HB's site... and i'm dying to get my hands on some of your products.
just a thought... and i haven't seen it mentioned anywhere, but how 'bout a ultimate mech frame that's completely ready for pnuemag conversion. So the parts fit perfectly into it?

and a sick rail with ule milling that allows an air line to the front of the gun

and HB sells parts to do it... it'll be a one-stop shop...

just an idea.

Ryan