Hmm.. pneumag or shocker?

[Dartshot123]

Alright, well, I'm gonna sell my outdated emag soon and I'll have quite a bit of money due to that and various other sources. And now.. I'm stuck between a nice Paradigm Pro from Rogue which I will later have converted into a pneumag, or a nice new vision shocker. Any help? I want honest opinions, and it helps if you've at least fired both guns or have some knowledge of both. I'm currenty leaning towards the mag, though.

[Lohman446]

I'll have quite a bit of money due to that and various other sources. .


Both. If you are going to play tournaments that allow ramping the Shocker is a better choice. It just is, of course now I'm going to be told how much of an idiot I am. I'm still right :)

[slade]

go with option 3.

despite the fact that i may or may not have convinced a certain teammate of a certain AO member that i own a shocker :ninja: i would not recommend buying one, i think there are better options out there.

however, if you are a speeball player... well, honestly a pneumag wont cut it. especially for tournaments, honestly you should go with an electro.

if you play mostly woods, though, go with the mag, pneumag or no.

[punkncat]

I want honest opinions,.


Ask here and ask on a SP forum. You will see the differing honest opinions.

[Dartshot123]

Well, the prob is, I'm not a tourney guy or anything. I play rec ball, walk on speedball, private games, and some big games. I prefer electronic guns over mechanical guns by far, but the pneumag really caught my eye.

Plus I've heard that Shockers aren't built as well as they could be and Smart Parts' customer service sucks. =/

[Dartshot123]

Ask here and ask on a SP forum. You will see the differing honest opinions.
Lol yea, good point. I just want at least a fairly honest answer, not "ZOMG AUTOMAHG."

[slade]

Lol yea, good point. I just want at least a fairly honest answer, not "ZOMG AUTOMAHG."
ehh. what AOer actually uses automags or anyway?

[iambored]

Go with p-mag if you play woods or casual speed ball, but don't go with the shocker no matter what. Get something else thats electro if your going tournament, but that's just my opinion

[pendulous]

Alright, well, I'm gonna sell my outdated emag soon and I'll have quite a bit of money due to that and various other sources. And now.. I'm stuck between a nice Paradigm Pro from Rogue which I will later have converted into a pneumag, or a nice new vision shocker. Any help? I want honest opinions, and it helps if you've at least fired both guns or have some knowledge of both. I'm currenty leaning towards the mag, though.

Hi! I have the Shocker with Vision and the Dynasty board and high efficiency bolt. Very fast and small. I recently bought a pneumag from this forum. Its fast too. The cool thing about the pneumag is not too many people have them. I like the look of the pneumag because the LPR is mounted external on the marker and it has a rather unique look to it. There are lots of Shockers out there. For a mechanical marker, folks are amazed at how fast it shoots. I also have the Paradigm Pro and it is nice too. I personally prefer the mags. That's my two cents.

Mike

[master_alexander]

i love mags, and shockers. but this day in time, id get a shocker over a mag.

then again, ive been all over with mags, and more or less shockers. i have been magged-out, but not shockered-out.

fast light and compadible with alot of things with many upgrades and settings. makes the game more of a thinking game with strategy than trying to shoot really fast, because with the ramping it does fine. (however, i shoot faster in semi... self-modded trigger, lotta bounce... hard to explain...)

but yeah. get a shocker. and if you decide you dont like it, you can always get a mag for it.

[Cow hunter]

well, why a shocker? i hate SP's ways and marker design, but if its what you had your mind set on, go ahead, however i recomend something thats not a shocker, like a viking, more reliable, better looking, cheaper in some cases, or an Xmodded emag, shocker modes, mag dependability, although u may need to take off the M/E switch to mkae it legal

[Dartshot123]

I chose the shocker for a possibility because it's single tubed design, which I like, and it's well priced. I love vikings actually (I shot one once) but they're too expensive. I actually could just hold onto my emag and mod it to be more current (it would need the ULE Body, ULEd out lowers and rail, and an x-vavle) but honestly it's kinda heavy for my tastes.

[minimag03]

I owned a Shocker for awhile and was really happy with it. If you are buying new, make sure to look at everything else very closely that is in the same price range. You don't want to be stuck with something you will hate. If you will buy used, there are way better deals for the money than most used Shockers.

[slade]

I love vikings actually (I shot one once) but they're too expensive.
oh? a fairly nice viking would only run you $400. maybe $600-700 if its a DC viking with a nice ano.

also look into cyborgs, theyre great for the price. freestyles are good too, although everyone seems to dislike them... which can be good, considering how cheap you can find an 04 or 05 for. and they are similar to mags in design, too. if you want another ICD gun, a promaster is a great choice also. 2 of my friends have them and both love them.

[Dartshot123]

Wow, I've honestly never seen a Viking go for that cheap. :wow: Guess i should look harder haha.

'Borgs and Freestyles never caught my attention, nor Promasters. Most of that stuff is out of my range anyway; I've only got about 600 total to spend.

[slade]

Wow, I've honestly never seen a Viking go for that cheap. :wow: Guess i should look harder haha.

'Borgs and Freestyles never caught my attention, nor Promasters. Most of that stuff is out of my range anyway; I've only got about 600 total to spend.
oh? i got an 05 gen 3 cyborg with full matchstick barrel kit, tadao board, clamping feedneck, and all sonic upgrades, for $550 shipped. and this was maybe 4-5 months ago. then i sold the matchstick kit for $75 and a single piece matchstick barrel, since i already have a barrel kit.

ive also seen many older freestyles go for around $250.

[glickstue]

I've never shot a pneumag but I've shot lots of mags over the years, I've never been a fan of the e-mag so I sympathize with the your feelings about wanting something different. My favorite mag of all time was my old black Teflon powerfeed mag, which was my primary marker from 1996 till 2002. My second favorite was the original offset hi-rise RT mags; despite the cleaning issues I loved their hopper profile. When I got back into paintball seriously I bought myself a Shocker SFT because the single tube design reminded me of the feeling of my old mag and I haven't looked back since.


If you are seriously considering getting a new Shocker I would wait a little longer until the new models come out. When they do I'm sure you can pick up a 03 style SFT for quite cheap. The resale value has dropped because SP lowered their minimum advertised and the new shocker design will cause resale prices to plummet even further when all the 14 year olds decide they can't live without the latest and greatest. If you wait until the prices start to freefall but before they stabilize you can get quite a nice marker.

[Arstron]

Check out the new fusions (Shameless Plug (http://www.fusionowners.org)) I know it isnt well known yet, it is still very new, but they are some remarkable markers for the price.

When it comes down to it, try and hold and test fire as many diffrent markers you can, then you should by the one that feels the best to you.

[hvacman250]

In your price range, I'd buy an 05 Timmy. Small, quick, efficent, easy to work on, and BLAST has the best customer service hands down.

Shockers are poo, especially in cooler weather. Customer service is horrid, the list goes on.

And yes, Ive owned both. And everything else made in the last 3 years :clap:

An 05 Ego or UL'd DM5 can be had for 600 too.

I would look for a Viking as well, but I doubt you will find a decnt one for under 600. It will be stock or half milled and heavy. But Viks rule :headbang:

[st6212]

Have you considered using X-mod for your E-mag first? (if you haven't already got it)

I just don't see the point of ditching your e-mag for a pneumag. When there is the X-mod available now and the soon to be released predator board for it also.

Plus there other upgrades/mods you could do to your your e-mag also.

Just a thought.

[Dartshot123]

I could mod my emag, but it's outdated, as in way outdated (stainless body, emag vavle, chunky rail and lowers, 2.1 software) and I'd rather not have it updated by stripping it clean and having it ULEd and then paying for a new body and vavle. I'd rather start with a clean slate.

And wow, those Fusion markers impress me. Although, I can't seem to find exactly where you buy them. lol. They look to be good quality for an excellent price.

[Pneumagger]

I own a pneumag (well, a few) and a ULE Emag (currently getting Xmod). I too had AGD2.1 on my Emag and would take the pneumag anyday of the week - however the emag reliability is always there. I'm getting the mag back in about about a week and can't wait to try out the xmod. I do feel that with xmod, the emag will become my primary.

I'm just getting the pneumag dialed in and really well tuned. Used it for 3 games sunday and it shot pretty much flawless. Shoots as fast as I can pull, it's light, and it's just different. I love it.

I also got to shoot Lenny's 2004 shocker vision. Surprisingly, it had darn near the same pull as the pneumag; just as light, but a bit longer and just as easily walkable. I liked it alot, but would be weary of the reliability and support.

If shooting modes are your thing, then the shocker or xmod may be for you. If you pretty much only go semi and recball I might reccomend the pneumag, as you can always a stock CF frame on it for mech if needed. Don't overlook E-Pneus also. Plus the mag will hold it's resale very nicely. Paradigms are priced so well you could probably part it out and loose nothing. And some (cleanly made) pneumags have been fetching $600-800 in the forums here.

If you want some info on xmod PM me - I have some neat info for you ;)

Edit: My ULE pneumag and Emag weighed pretty much the same as the shocker, and I had an 88/4500 + apache and the shocker had a Halo + 68cu

[geekwarrior]

You can alos pick up Angel's reeeaallly cheap right now.

[Toll]

For the recballer moving up, a pnuemag is the better bet.

I got a viking for 450 usd with 2 boards and a nice barrel set (customs raped me, but aside from that ) and it's beauty. Shoots perfect, huge air efficiency and didn't cost me an arm and a leg.

2k4 speeds are nice for the price (if you can get one with eyes, even better. I have one with a timmy board in it with eyes and it's <3)

Matrixes : dm3/gen e - Highly under rated markers at the moment.

[ttink]

Pneumags are unique. I would make one if i had $600...

[Evil1]

I have owned a bunch of mags over the years. They are great guns in many ways. I owned a shocker a few years ago. It was small and fast, but had a few problems that left me gunless for a couple of weeks. First off, the board totally died about 12 hours out of the box w/ the factory battery still inside. Then, the rear switch button broke(my fault) was replaced by SP at no charge. It was a gas hog even w/ HE bolt kit. It was pretty quick after I did the flipped trigger switch mod though. My shocker was serial #18xx so it was an early one. I blame most of the problems on early production bugs and poor QC. I still do miss the gun sometimes, but not enough to make me buy another. I bought an 04 alias 2 summers ago and totally fell in love w/ timmies. I used to buy a new gun or guns every year, but haven't really felt the need since the alias. It has never given me any serious problems and it is pretty efficient and rarely chops. It is very fast and pretty accurate. The one and only complaint I have w/ timmies is that they feel like a $200 gun, but perform like there price. WHen holding an 04 and earlier timmy, it really does feel as if you are holding a $900 spyder.

[iambored]

I still say shocker is a bad decisson, when you could get timmies, maybe an angel, uhh...and vikings, uhh...and like a pm or something

[hipster]

I own both
never use my ule mag
mostly use my shockers, and my e-mag
def get a shocker, even if you get a used for cheep just try to see how good they shoot

[jenarelJAM]

oh? a fairly nice viking would only run you $400. maybe $600-700 if its a DC viking with a nice ano.

also look into cyborgs, theyre great for the price. freestyles are good too, although everyone seems to dislike them... which can be good, considering how cheap you can find an 04 or 05 for. and they are similar to mags in design, too. if you want another ICD gun, a promaster is a great choice also. 2 of my friends have them and both love them.

Where are you getting your Price info. You're on the right track, that vikings are definately in the used price ball park, but $400 will get you an 03 very lightly up'd viking. Much better to stick in a bit more and get an 04 with a few more ups( ;) tadao ;) ). I bought my heavily up'd 04 for 585 shipped, including a longbow barrel kit, unmilled matte black. I usually see decent 04 milled/anno'd for $900 or so. If you're looking for a budget viking, spend around $450-$500. You won't be sorry, and I think that's in your price range.

akaowners.org/forums <--- go to the b/s/t

[geekwarrior]

angel speed (http://www.angel-owners.com/showthread.php?t=58439)

grab this, thats a great price, his last post says he'll sell for 500

[Arstron]

And wow, those Fusion markers impress me. Although, I can't seem to find exactly where you buy them. lol. They look to be good quality for an excellent price.

The first full release of the Fusions should be out sometime next month and should be available at quiet a few diffrent stores. Send me a PM and I will let you know as soon as they are ready for sale. :dance:

[SpecialBlend2786]

Cyborg, Viking, or Angel

All used, can be found for under $500 easily.

oh, and they rock.

Although the fusion does look kind of interesting.

[Toll]

Alien.

[Lenny]

That's kind of ironic. I'm in a pending deal right now to trade my Shocker for an Automag that'll be "pneu-ilized" (or something...)

I love my Shocker SFT. Honestly. The only reason I'm getting rid of it is because I simply want a Pneumag more.

Shockers (despite people's reactions to SP) is a very good gun. Never let me down in two tournies and countless rec games.

[kingpen509]

Hi! I have the Shocker with Vision and the Dynasty board and high efficiency bolt. Very fast and small. I recently bought a pneumag from this forum. Its fast too. The cool thing about the pneumag is not too many people have them. I like the look of the pneumag because the LPR is mounted external on the marker and it has a rather unique look to it. There are lots of Shockers out there. For a mechanical marker, folks are amazed at how fast it shoots. I also have the Paradigm Pro and it is nice too. I personally prefer the mags. That's my two cents.

Mike


:( :( :( :( :( That was my baby! LOL I'm glad you like it Mike!

Here she is for old times sake!!!!!!!! Show me a shocker that looks this sexy!

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/kingpen509/Picture_0427.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/kingpen509/Picture_0426.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/kingpen509/Picture_0422.jpg

[Pneumagger]

Kingpen509: I'm sad you sold that, but glad it's out of MOTM. It was too sexy for anyone else to have won.
Well as more persuation, Show me a shocker that is this sexy also. (Click for teh Uber Hi-Res)

<a href="http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g45/jrm33/Black%20Widow/100_1565.jpg"><img src="http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g45/jrm33/Black%20Widow/100_1565.jpg" width="800" height="600"></img></a>
<a href="http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g45/jrm33/Black%20Widow/100_1552.jpg"><img src="http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g45/jrm33/Black%20Widow/100_1552.jpg" width="800" height="600"></img></a>

[Shingo]

:wow: Is it legal to have two Pneumags looking that HOT on the same page?

~Shingo~

[kingpen509]

:wow: Is it legal to have two Pneumags looking that HOT on the same page?

~Shingo~

Yes, why did someone alert the authorities :ninja:

[Lenny]

:wow: Is it legal to have two Pneumags looking that HOT on the same page?

~Shingo~
It's only illegal if you're caught!

[Dartshot123]

Man, are those good lookin' mags or what?

I'm pretty sure I'll be getting a pneumag though. I can pay for a Paradigm and then later convert it too, instead of having to pay all at once. Kinda need money for gas and other stuff... lol.

[minimag03]

To give you an idea of how good of a deal you can get on a Shocker, look at this one ...

http://automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=202121

You can't get much better than that for the price.

[slade]

To give you an idea of how good of a deal you can get on a Shocker, look at this one ...

http://automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=202121

You can't get much better than that for the price.
buy that one. go ahead and offer him $450 just so no one else snags the deal, its worth it. ;)