I don't normally flame, especially on PBN, but..... [Archive]

CrimsonGhost

09-06-2006, 03:42 PM

It's called being excited for something new or newer.(Can't say I have been excited about ANYTHING NEW from agd in ...well since the x-valves... and those have LOST the magic loooong ago for me))
That is what you need to get if a product is going to sell.
Hype may not be truth,in part or in whole, but it SELLS EVERYTHING.

And this is the 2nd thread they have made on it...other one maxed out so they did part 2 .

Not excited?
Cool, you don't need to be.
Just don't pee on others joy.

:cheers:

SummaryJudgement

09-06-2006, 03:47 PM

Just don't pee on others joy.

:rofl:

I'll try not to :spit_take

Pneumagger

09-06-2006, 04:38 PM

Looks like a DW fhoen ION.
Yeah... and how many of these [high end] "good" markers perform nearly IDENTICAL to last years model that sold for about $800 (except the POS angel 1's who really need about 6 more months of R&D and better QC) This bob long gun is overpriced. I personally feel the aedes will pwn the bob long gun, the aedes stats are better across the board at an estimated $700. Guess well find out this christmas. Blast fanbois are the worst...even than ION fanbois.

I hate Bob Long guns. So I'm gonna flame up that joint.

SummaryJudgement

09-06-2006, 05:18 PM

:rofl:

Get'em Pneumagger!

:shooting:

BigEvil

09-06-2006, 05:24 PM

I hate Bob Long guns. So I'm gonna flame up that joint.

I got yer' back bro.... raise some hell.

/takes another swig if my beer

Indignant

09-06-2006, 05:26 PM

...you got shut down by Ripper. don't even try to argue with him, he always wins. always.

Rudz

09-06-2006, 05:30 PM

so what we can still go in there and piss em off....and nobody "always" wins

SummaryJudgement

09-06-2006, 05:38 PM

Well, I'm not going to argue with Ripper, but everything I said was true. So I don't really feel like I've "lost" or was wrong in my posting by any means.

You can argue against all sense and proven fact that it is a spooler and not a poppet :rofl:

Some of those guys might actually blow a gasget before they realize you aren't serious. Just keep insisting it's a spooler ;)

Or say that Timmies are rip-offs of Rainmakers or something like that. Just to see who feels like debating a pointless statement.

iambored

09-06-2006, 07:00 PM

Oh, I got it, say timmies are spoolers and dm clones!!! :D

deathstalker

09-06-2006, 08:50 PM

And all the times people said AO was different. :rolleyes:

I think a fanboy of an unreleased product is the worst of all. :tard:

Pneumagger

09-06-2006, 09:07 PM

Oh, I got it, say timmies are spoolers and dm clones!!! :D

done...I'll try to get hte timmy=spyder in there in one or two posts with a personal dig at bob long just to rustle thier feathers.

anymore suggestions?

bentothejam1n

09-06-2006, 09:09 PM

done..

anymore suggestions?
amost beat you to it
or try to relate them to tippies

bentothejam1n

09-06-2006, 09:14 PM

i have no clue what you are talking about pnue but ill play along

Pneumagger

09-06-2006, 09:18 PM

yeah... here is when I start looking at it and making up big words from the workplace. :rofl:

Recon by Fire

09-06-2006, 10:34 PM

Bob who? :rolleyes:

Indignant

09-07-2006, 12:03 AM

you guys are so ignorant. get over yourselves and say something slowly for me: mags are NOT the only good guns in the world

Lenny

09-07-2006, 12:45 AM

you guys are so ignorant. get over yourselves and say something slowly for me: mags are NOT the only good guns in the world

Yeah... the Aedes was mentioned too y'know.

I love how we have a post about flaming and tag-team flaming other forum's posts! Good call if you ask me! Very amusing.

Sick 'em guys!

phizz

09-07-2006, 12:49 AM

You mean there are other guns besides mags!?!?! since when?!

Indignant

09-07-2006, 12:51 AM

You mean there are other guns besides mags!?!?! since when?!

you'd hardly know it reading the forums... anything other than mags gets flamed and flamed and flamed except for a choice few. it was nicer when people actually had discussions about all the new markers and not jut 'oh it sucks, another spooler, another angel' etc etc.

Pneumagger

09-07-2006, 06:05 AM

On this ofrum as a whole, there is very little flaming as a whole. There's te occasionall coomplain about a gun...but not like PBN. Besides, we're allowed to to have a little fun :dance:

BigEvil

09-07-2006, 07:21 AM

"PBN" ? What is that? :spit_take

Indignant

09-07-2006, 08:42 AM

the other forum you've been on for around a year and have a good amount of posts on.

you know, that one

BigEvil

09-07-2006, 08:56 AM

the other forum you've been on for around a year and have a good amount of posts on.

you know, that one

Actually more than a year.. I changed the SN about then...

I guess I should have put a big smiley or something at the end of my last post ti signify sacasm.. :rolleyes: Some people are just way too serious.

phizz

09-07-2006, 09:26 AM

The funny thing is this is a mag site so of course we are going to stick up for our mags over anything else that gets posted here. Not to say that the others aren't good guns just that we like our mags are better. ;) Kinda reminds me of the Coke and Pepsi arguement both basically taste the same to me, both are full of sugar caffine and loads of other crap basically the only difference is the can. Kinda like paintball guns, they all can shoot 300fps most can now shoot easily 20bps, and bodies are all filled with stuff that gets the same results shooting painballs. In the most basic sense the only difference is their looks, I like almost anything paintball but out of everything out there that I have tried I like the looks and feel of mags best (cockers are a close second). :clap: :dance: Reading over this and what was the point of it? I have no idea now but sounded good at the time.

SummaryJudgement

09-07-2006, 10:26 AM

:rofl:

Wow Pneumagger, I didn't actually think you'd keep it up that much. I went home from work yesterday and got a good laugh this morning when I came back in. Thanks!

Pneumagger

09-07-2006, 10:59 AM

ok... now I need some help with evidence for these fabrications. I'm duking it out with Ripper. :rofl: They take this so seriously, like my opinion will effect the outcome of the marker they get today. My experience with hyping anything is this...Hype is not a bad thing, however if you hype something your expectations will become hard to please; if you hype it too much, they become impossible to meet.

BTW, after looking more into the marker operation...It is sweet. If I can't my hands on a DW Aedes for whatever reason, I may pick up one of these used. :headbang:

SCpoloRicker

09-07-2006, 10:59 AM

*smacks forehead*

Pneumagger

09-07-2006, 11:15 AM

y0da900

09-07-2006, 12:27 PM

conversion of BL new gun thread into a campfire...succefull :rofl:
Hint: The best lies are the one's that hide behind the veil of truth ;)

EDIT: uhh oh. Ripper found the hole in my argument. This guy is tough and does know his stuff :mad: The outlook for arguing this is a spool marker looks bleak. So there goes the price, spool, timmy=spyder argument. Anyone have another argument I start cooking up before this one get gets torn up?

SC POLO, canI borrow some owls?

It's a lot of fun reading this thread and the PBN one at the same time. You have done an excellent job coming across as serious in that thread. If you want a hole in Jim's logic, just look at his quote on the first post on the first page, and his explanation in the differences between the 2 operations, which is completely off.

Recon by Fire

09-07-2006, 10:49 PM

you guys are so ignorant. get over yourselves and say something slowly for me: mags are NOT the only good guns in the world

There is no other. Me and my house, we serve the Mag. :hail:

manike

09-08-2006, 12:16 PM

SCpoloRicker

09-08-2006, 12:18 PM

*golfclap* for manike

/ya rly

athomas

09-08-2006, 12:32 PM

I agree. We should only be in those threads to provide useful information. This may include debunking a theory or casting doubt on a product, but it should be done with intent to teach and not to degrade or put others down.

Beemer

09-08-2006, 12:40 PM

WOW!

I'm dissapointed in you lot. Really, really dissapointed.

AO used to pride itself on maturity and intelligence and not stooping to the lower levels. :(

You lot need to think about your actions and grow up.

I agree.

We still do.

Its always the minority.

BigEvil

09-08-2006, 01:07 PM

WOW!

I'm dissapointed in you lot. Really, really dissapointed.

AO used to pride itself on maturity and intelligence and not stooping to the lower levels. :(

Currently I'm considering permanently banning all of you that are intentionally going onto PBN to flame, troll, and start trouble.

I know that in the past we've also worked with the admins of other forums to have users IP matched and banned from there also. PBN has never been tolerant of any forum invasion or intentional spamming/trolling. Whether it us PBN's members attacking other forums, or other forums attacking PBN.

You lot need to think about your actions and grow up.

Geeze... no offense Manike, but talk about taking it WAY too seriously and blowing things out of proportion IMO. I see it as some good natured verbal sparing. Unless I missed something, (Which wouldnt surprise me :tard: ), nothing there looked out of the ordinary for PBN.

"Forum Invasion"?? Thats would be like Rhode Island invading China. And not for nothing, you coming over here to chastise them could be considered "Forum Invasion" too.

manike

09-08-2006, 01:18 PM

People using AO to plan a flame attack on PBN, and to plan their actions on how to break the rules is commonly called a 'forum invasion'.

Pneumagger blatantly points out in this thread how he intends to go to PBN and troll/flame.

You obviously did miss something.

I hate Bob Long guns. So I'm gonna flame up that joint.

Is someone here plotting to break the PBN rules.

:rofl:

Get'em Pneumagger!

:shooting:

Is someone encouraging another to break the rules...

as is

I got yer' back bro.... raise some hell.

and

so what we can still go in there and piss em off....

All it does is encourage more flaming and hostility and falls on the shoulders of the mods to clean up.

It's not big, it's not clever. It's just immature idiocy that cause me and others who have better things to do, to have to spend time trying to keep things in shape.

The trouble is that many people in that thread really care about what they are doing and stuff like...

Some of those guys might actually blow a gasget before they realize you aren't serious.

Is just down right rude and immature.

Think about it the other way, if people came here purely to pick on Tom and his work on the Automag.

How long do you think that would be considered 'good natured' and how much tolerance do you think the AO members would have for that?

The people who 'take this so seriously' in that thread are those who's lives and sweat, blood and tears are involved in bringing these things to fruition and to the paintball playing masses.

For them this isn't a game or a joke. It IS serious.

manike

09-08-2006, 01:19 PM

And not for nothing, you coming over here to chastise them could be considered "Forum Invasion" too.

Wow.

You really think that? Stunned. Simply stunned.

BigEvil

09-08-2006, 01:25 PM

... Without going over all 15 pages of the thread.. looked like they were having somewhat of a debate/argument with RipperMachinist, Eventhough they both claimed "Flamefest" here, doent look like either one of them got out of line.

ANd yes, damn right I encouraged Pneumagger to speak up. He is one of the more technically adept people around here and definately wanted to see what he had to say. Looks like he had more than a few valid points...

BigEvil

09-08-2006, 01:27 PM

Wow.

You really think that? Stunned. Simply stunned.

LOL Lighten up my man... Im just razzing you. It is ridiculous, which was my point to begin with.

y0da900

09-08-2006, 01:31 PM

Simon, now that it's out, could you shed some more light on it's actual operation?

manike

09-08-2006, 02:35 PM

.ANd yes, damn right I encouraged Pneumagger to speak up.

No you encouraged him to flame and troll. Big difference and I'm sorry that you can't see that. I thought more of you to be honest. I guess that's one reason this has dissapointed me so much. :( If you'd been encouraging technical discussion, and sensible progression, then it would be very different and it would be a :cheers: to AO instead of a :( .

Yoda, I was shown it in confidential circumstances. I respect that. Once there are pics from one out and open to everyone I will be happy to do so, but until then I'll respect that confidentiality.

The comments of an E-Tippmann in terms of how the gas is routed aren't too far off, but with a few differences.

Pneumagger

09-08-2006, 02:38 PM

Ya know, It was just a little mag vs Blast fanboi fun. Lighten up. I wasn't verbally attacking or demeaning anybody, swearing, porno posting, or traditionally flaming. Just a little fun.

And BTW... if you finish out towards the end of the tread, me and ripper mutually stop the argument.

My reaction to the whole thing... :rofl:

/if you want I'll delete all the posts over there.

y0da900

09-08-2006, 02:39 PM

No you encouraged him to flame and troll. Big difference and I'm sorry that you can't see that. I thought more of you to be honest. I guess that's one reason this has dissapointed me so much. :(

Yoda, I was shown it in confidential circumstances. I respect that. Once there are pics from one out and open to everyone I will be happy to do so, but until then I'll respect that confidentiality.

The comments of an E-Tippmann in terms of how the gas is routed aren't too far off, but with a few differences.

Understood, I wouldn't do anything in your shoes either, I just wasn't sure if that confidentiality was dependent on it's "release", and I thoroughly respect your integrity in doing so. I have what I think is a good guess on it's operation, and now that they are in a few people's hands, I doubt we will need to wait long anyways.

Pneumagger

09-08-2006, 02:39 PM

... Without going over all 15 pages of the thread.. looked like they were having somewhat of a debate/argument with RipperMachinist, Eventhough they both claimed "Flamefest" here, doent look like either one of them got out of line.

QFT

How is it "forum invasion" also? I've been a member there for just about as long as here. I used to be a member on there a few years also, so I didn't really invade anywhere.

slateman

09-08-2006, 02:43 PM

Bummer, you didn't even ge a perm ban

BTW, I think it looks more like a Nerve than anything else . . .

manike

09-08-2006, 02:46 PM

Understood, I wouldn't do anything in your shoes either, I just wasn't sure if that confidentiality was dependent on it's "release", and I thoroughly respect your integrity in doing so.

My choice to confidentiality is just that. My choice, I wasn't asked to do so or anything, and ultimately all the pictures and video that have come out, have been Bob's decision. It's out of respect and how I would have liked others to be on any work of mine that they have seen in progress. I try to main some element of integrity and professionality in paintball although it isn't always returned or seen elsewhere :tard: . I'd just feel wrong releasing such info before it was public domain. Which it will be very soon I expect...

manike

09-08-2006, 02:47 PM

How is it "forum invasion" also? I've been a member there for just about as long as here. I used to be a member on there a few years also, so I didn't really invade anywhere.

It's a term we use when a group of people use a different forum to conspire against PBN.

Pneumagger

09-08-2006, 02:50 PM

ahhh, I see. A conspiracy. http://imgs.pbnation.com/smilies/dodgy.gif

SCpoloRicker

09-08-2006, 02:58 PM

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/paulbubel/tinfoil-hat.jpg

autococker04

09-08-2006, 03:00 PM

lol i was in that thread, i really think of the gun as that great looking, it was nice bt nothing to get really excited about

Lohman446

09-08-2006, 03:33 PM

I'm going to have to give this one to manike, based only on what I see here. I mean, people did state they were going over there to flame, start pointless arguments, etc. Now granted, I don't even care to look at said arguments or the thread in PBN, but well... yeh.. it was kinda a pointless attempt.

Pneumagger

09-08-2006, 03:53 PM

I really wouldn't call it flaming so much as arguing over the operation of a marker that no one really seen diagrams of or even shot. Does the fact fact that the thread was discussed simultaneously over here change any of the facts. What if there had been no conspiracy posting over here, would it reaqlly have changed the thread over there?

The fact that the blast fanboys get so worked up over something that's not even on the market is, i think, the real commotion.

Chronobreak

09-08-2006, 04:15 PM

pneu got tempd :rofl:

no point in arguing, whats done is done, take it as a lesson.
it was a staff decision that i also happened to agree with.

and lets get back to AO being the model forum for intelligent and civilized conversations.

manike

09-08-2006, 04:21 PM

so much as arguing over the operation of a marker that no one really seen diagrams of or even shot.

The point is you were deliberating argueing over something that YOU had not seenp, but which the other person knew intimately and helped create. You went into that thread to start an argument.

And if you don't call it flaming, why did you post this? :confused:

I hate Bob Long guns. So I'm gonna flame up that joint.

That post shows your feeling and intentions very, very clearly.

But then you obviously like pointless arguments so I expect you won't agree with how your post comes over to others either. :rolleyes:

wimag

09-08-2006, 04:39 PM

you did the right thing Manike.
Arguing with Ripper on BLAST items is like telling Tom Kaye how his marker operates even if tells you that you are incorrect.

SummaryJudgement

09-08-2006, 05:06 PM

Um yeah......

I don't know who was really paying attention, but I was joking and having a little fun. If you read my posts carefully you won't have seen me:

-Spreading lies
-Generating rumors
-Attacking any individual or company (I may have said I had bad experiences, but that certainly isn't an attack in my mind)
-Encouraging flaming (not on PBN, and on here I only saw it as a joke-I don't think BigEvil was seriously trying to encourage anyone, or Rudz....Pneumagger, well yes-sorry Pneumagger, but at least I got a good laugh out of it ;) )
-Flaming (although I use the word in my post topic)

My statements were based off of personal experience. I did ask some geniune questions. I said I would check it out since everyone seemed so hyped about it. I Pm'd Rippermachinist and thanked him for his offer to fix my torp and said I certainly wasn't going to argue with him.

Did the post get off-topic? Not as far as I thought? I unfortunately started out with cynicism "towards BL products because of my previous experiences with them. That may have been a bad way to start it up becasue I then felt defensive from everyone saying "get your eyes checked" (and I really do think it looks a heck of a lot like an Angel1).

Temp ban me?! Go ahead....

Perm ban me!? Feel free....

I can get a new account in no time. I don't visit PBN often, and when I do it's usually the sale threads (because in there you never get into a debate about what something looks like at least :rolleyes: ) I also don't feel the need to post much, so what do I care if I can't?

"Consider myself lucky"??? :rofl: I don't take many things in life too seriously, especially PBN of all things.

Manike, I can see your points, but I think everyone who took this seriously took it way too seriously. Then again, that is just my opinion. I wasn't trying to cause any geniune grief for anyone, and if anyone was genuinely upset over my posts.....they need to lighten up......I mean, this is the internet for goodness sakes ;)

Sorry, but I'm not sorry. My temp ban won't end till the 15th....meh, I may not have been on PBN during that time anyway. And if I really need to post something, I'm sure I will find a way........

Nothing personal, just my thirteen cents :cheers:

Oh, and I can't argue with this:
and lets get back to AO being the model forum for intelligent and civilized conversations."

magman007

09-08-2006, 05:16 PM

um, im not going to read through all of this crap, but from what I have read, summary an pneu are completely out of line. Oh tell me how a timmy is a spyder, or how the onyx is a spooler....... You are idiots. Clearly the onyx is NOT a spooler. Just because it sits in one tube, doesnt mean its a spooler... Is a tippman a spooler? NO. Is a mag a spooler? NO, close, but no. Neither is the freestyle. You can argue it is all you want, but look at the design, and you will realize, that NO it is not. It is close, but no cigar.

You were intentionally flaming, you were asking for advice, you were asking for how to piss people off.

You are trying too hard to fight a battle that you will not win. This is not some easy Jack Wood says the ego shoots flatter than any thing else. I shut that fool down hard, and Tom, and Doc came in to reinforce my message, some 20 times over because of "butt"hats like you who refuse to read, and still stir up controversy because they calls it how they sees it.

DONT be a dbag, and you WONT be banned. Arguing something stated as fact is not wrong, arguing something PROVEN as fact is.

EDIT: SUmmary Judgement, you seem completely ignorant towards PBN. PBN is a great forum, it is the pulse of the industry, and actually influences the industry more than you can imagine. It is the largest paintball board, and i believe the 20th largest forum on the internet. It is a great resource and should be treated as so. If you dont want to use it, then fine, but dont go treating it like it is just immature kids because it isnt.

magman007

09-08-2006, 05:22 PM

Oh, and I can't argue with this:
and lets get back to AO being the model forum for intelligent and civilized conversations."

you are too funny... When was the last time AO had an intelligent and civilized conversation? Not since atleast 2003-early 2k4. SERRIOUSLY. Admit it. AO is not the best forum on the internet, it is not full of people who have the correct answer all of the time (not any more, they have all left) and now you are arguing with some of the smartest people in the industry, Ripper, and Manike. So get off your high horse.

manike

09-08-2006, 05:22 PM

Then again, that is just my opinion. I wasn't trying to cause any geniune grief for anyone, and if anyone was genuinely upset over my posts.....they need to lighten up......I mean, this is the internet for goodness sakes ;)

You see this is what some of you guys (and others) need to realise something.

To you it may just be "the internet for goodness sakes", but for others it is their life's work, their passion, how they support their families and much more that you are making an e-joke of and 'playing' with.

Imagine a total stranger walking in and seeing something you were doing at work and then proceeding to make fun of it, or telling you how it should be done etc. or arguing with you about how it works, and all 'just for the fun of it'.

In terms of grief, there was a bunch of reports on the posts some of you guys made, that the mods had to deal with, and there was some genuine frustration from some of the people trying to correct the intentional mistakes you guys were making as a joke and for fun, about an item they've been working on for months.

The internet may be a joke to some of you, but it's also a way that people can make hurtful comments that extend past the screen you see in front of you. Especially when it is something critical to someone's livelihood you are trying to play down or make into a laughing stock.

Not cool.

I guess maybe that doesn't matter to many. :(

People think that on the internet, their actions and comments don't matter. Well they do. Often more than they realise. I even think Tom lost some of his love/passion for paintball because of having to deal with posts on the internet, and people not realising how easy it was to hurt his feelings or lead him the wrong way with a 10 second throwaway post.

SummaryJudgement

09-08-2006, 05:24 PM

Whoa, a little tense are we. And before you make statements like that you may have wanted to read through all the crap..... :D

magman007

09-08-2006, 05:24 PM

Right on simon... BTW why the hell werent you in boston.......

Lohman446

09-08-2006, 05:28 PM

Now.. here is the thing. Well I disagree with the idea of intentionally being dense in order to just annoy someone you have to accept things other than praise when you post your ideas publically.

SummaryJudgement

09-08-2006, 05:28 PM

Imagine a total stranger walking in and seeing something you were doing at work and then proceeding to make fun of it, or telling you how it should be done etc. or arguing with you about how it works, and all 'just for the fun of it'.

I wouldn't take them seriously...

Now.. here is the thing. Well I disagree with the idea of intentionally being dense in order to just annoy someone you have to accept things other than praise when you post your ideas publically.

I agree with both of those points....

Anyone may continue to post on this subject, but I'm done with it.

See you guys on the Nation :cheers:

magman007

09-08-2006, 05:29 PM

doubtful, i read most of this thread, and your pbn crap storm, clearly you are in the wrong, and you are trying to weasle your way out of it because Simon called you out. Deal with it. Also, just because Colin can crap on a stick and sell it to you, doesnt mean DW makes the best products hands down. Colin does awesome work, im not arguing that, but come on.

Colin is the new Tom. Lets admit it, the roller trigger was a terrible idea, the e-mag should have seen alot more R&D before it hit the market, and the origional suprbolt was a complete failure. Tom is not Paintball god, neither is Colin. If they were, their company names would be Dye and Smartparts. Not AGD and DW.

SummaryJudgement

09-08-2006, 05:31 PM

magman007

09-08-2006, 05:37 PM

you didnt go gaga, but you gave the ol... oh the aedes, im interested in that, and its only 700!! line... i know what your intention really was, ive seen it enough, ive got 3 years your senior on Ao, i know how that crap works.... Just get over yourself.

Unless you want me to shut you down as well, id suggest you let it be.

Pneumagger

09-08-2006, 05:53 PM

magman007: I wasn't serious on just about everything I posted over there. I was just poking fun because everytime someone thought it was a spooler, ripper as well every other kid on PPBN freaked out. So i thought I would provide some false points that sounded valid and argue it. They bit on the bait hard.

I KNOW it's not a spooler. I KNOW what the definition and function of spool valving. I KNOW it is a nice fast quality gun, and will pick one up used when the price drops. I was just poking the ant hill so to speak.

What gets me is that once it was known this was a conspiracy :rolleyes: , then the mods were like. :nono: . Would it be any different if I were ignorant enough to argue with ripper seriously to no end? There were no demeaning or bad comments made, unless the ONYX's feeling get hurt when I call it a Spooler. :rofl: It was fun here, it was fun there, and if somone doesn't like it they can ignore it. It seems from my point of view, people that the people who have no sense of humor are the dbags with sticks up thier bums.

Manike, why are trolling over here anyways? Are you conspiring something? :rofl:

manike

09-08-2006, 06:31 PM

Now.. here is the thing. Well I disagree with the idea of intentionally being dense in order to just annoy someone you have to accept things other than praise when you post your ideas publically.

I agree.

Manike, why are trolling over here anyways? Are you conspiring something? :rofl:

LMAO. I've been posting on these forums and contributing here a LOT longer than you.

Pneumagger, having spoken to some of the people involved in that thread and having received a bunch of reports, they didn't it consider it the same 'fun' that you did. Please find your 'fun' in other ways in the future.