Lohman446
09-07-2006, 07:55 PM
This question is inspired by rants I see on PBN. What has paintball, tournament paintball, degenerated into? Someone tell me its more than just who can cheat the best and whine the most when they lose?
Yeh, I was proud of me...
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=1669177
Because I get to reply, and I don't have to be diplomatic about it. As far as the "no tournament series blah blah, hopper hit, blah blah, refs discretion" comment. Your an idiot. Refer to PSP subnote 37 - here, I'll make it easy for you
Quote:
Originally Posted by PSP subnote 37
If it hits the hopper and sprays on your goggles, it’s obvious. If it smacks into your earflap, it’s obvious. If it makes a loud “ting”
on your tank, it’s obvious. If it hits your facemask and sprays paint on your face, it’s obvious. If it hits your elbow pad that is 2” thick and you didn’t feel it, it’s still obvious – players should not wear padding so thick that they cannot feel hits. If it hits your shoe, glove, leg, cup, belt of your pack, neoprene neck protector, or hat, it’s obvious. If it grazes off the side of your hopper where you can’t see the hit or it’s in your pack then it may not be obvious if the judge does not have any reason to believe you should know a
paintball hit you there.
What, ref discretion? Allowed by one of the top 2 tournament series? No.. but I'm sure on PBN said it that no tournament series allowed it.
The overshooting rule is what it is and its modification has a good reason behind it. I'm sure Austin could explain that reason to you as well as I can. It has to do with players who make no effort to control the marker they have when they run up the tape shooting and then try to defend a remarkable number of hits with "it wasn't a bunker move". The rules that are there have a good reason.
To those players whining who have played in the past. When you won was this same ref staff incompetent then? Or is that only if you lose?
I reffed major events and teams were happy with me - just as the team that won? Yeh, cause umm, there not biased . The only event I have EVER seen that didn't have people whining about the ref's and other players was OGD, and that just has to do with a different caliber of player.
The complaining comes from D1 and 2 for the most part. Let me tell you this: those refs were far better than the refs for D4 and I am certain that D4 made far more unfixable mistakes, some of which no doubt changed the outcome of the game. Is it a defense for the mistakes made? No... but I have never been to a tournament where players who sought to intentionally cheat could not make the refs jobs nearly impossible. Know what, want a "perfect" ref crew, find a group of players that doesn't cheat...
Ref errors were made, and as Randy has openly acknowledged there were some issues that resulted in less than the desired number of qualified refs in the upper brackets. I'm truly sorry about it... it sucks to have a day changed by ref errors.
Did someone cheat and cost you the game, the tournament whatever? Tell me you have never cheated, never wiped, never played on and do so truthfully and I'm far more likely to care, then tell me it applies to your entire team. The fact of the matter is there are very few of you that could honestly state that, especially in D1 and 2...
Quit whining... tournament paintball is becoming less and less about who can play best and more and more about who can cheat most, intimidate the refs best, and then make the most noise if they loose. And a lot of the players now whining after the fact, only prove it.
I watched players get hit and count there own hits, call off the idea of an overshooting penatly, acknowledge they were the target of more than one individual. I have seen players here acknowledge while they did not violate a rule in technicality it was easy to understand how a ref could have mistook it. I commend each one of you. To those who wish to push the rules, to whine when they get caught, to whine that other players are doing what they themselves do so often.... get over it.
Yeh, I was proud of me...
http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=1669177
Because I get to reply, and I don't have to be diplomatic about it. As far as the "no tournament series blah blah, hopper hit, blah blah, refs discretion" comment. Your an idiot. Refer to PSP subnote 37 - here, I'll make it easy for you
Quote:
Originally Posted by PSP subnote 37
If it hits the hopper and sprays on your goggles, it’s obvious. If it smacks into your earflap, it’s obvious. If it makes a loud “ting”
on your tank, it’s obvious. If it hits your facemask and sprays paint on your face, it’s obvious. If it hits your elbow pad that is 2” thick and you didn’t feel it, it’s still obvious – players should not wear padding so thick that they cannot feel hits. If it hits your shoe, glove, leg, cup, belt of your pack, neoprene neck protector, or hat, it’s obvious. If it grazes off the side of your hopper where you can’t see the hit or it’s in your pack then it may not be obvious if the judge does not have any reason to believe you should know a
paintball hit you there.
What, ref discretion? Allowed by one of the top 2 tournament series? No.. but I'm sure on PBN said it that no tournament series allowed it.
The overshooting rule is what it is and its modification has a good reason behind it. I'm sure Austin could explain that reason to you as well as I can. It has to do with players who make no effort to control the marker they have when they run up the tape shooting and then try to defend a remarkable number of hits with "it wasn't a bunker move". The rules that are there have a good reason.
To those players whining who have played in the past. When you won was this same ref staff incompetent then? Or is that only if you lose?
I reffed major events and teams were happy with me - just as the team that won? Yeh, cause umm, there not biased . The only event I have EVER seen that didn't have people whining about the ref's and other players was OGD, and that just has to do with a different caliber of player.
The complaining comes from D1 and 2 for the most part. Let me tell you this: those refs were far better than the refs for D4 and I am certain that D4 made far more unfixable mistakes, some of which no doubt changed the outcome of the game. Is it a defense for the mistakes made? No... but I have never been to a tournament where players who sought to intentionally cheat could not make the refs jobs nearly impossible. Know what, want a "perfect" ref crew, find a group of players that doesn't cheat...
Ref errors were made, and as Randy has openly acknowledged there were some issues that resulted in less than the desired number of qualified refs in the upper brackets. I'm truly sorry about it... it sucks to have a day changed by ref errors.
Did someone cheat and cost you the game, the tournament whatever? Tell me you have never cheated, never wiped, never played on and do so truthfully and I'm far more likely to care, then tell me it applies to your entire team. The fact of the matter is there are very few of you that could honestly state that, especially in D1 and 2...
Quit whining... tournament paintball is becoming less and less about who can play best and more and more about who can cheat most, intimidate the refs best, and then make the most noise if they loose. And a lot of the players now whining after the fact, only prove it.
I watched players get hit and count there own hits, call off the idea of an overshooting penatly, acknowledge they were the target of more than one individual. I have seen players here acknowledge while they did not violate a rule in technicality it was easy to understand how a ref could have mistook it. I commend each one of you. To those who wish to push the rules, to whine when they get caught, to whine that other players are doing what they themselves do so often.... get over it.