Lack Of Air?

[don miguel]

My new minimag is a great gun, but it is sucking up a ton of air! I have adjusted the reg. and everything! what should I do to make it not suck up as much air? does anyone have a similar problem, ids thier a solution?

[fire1811]

My new minimag is a great gun, but it is sucking up a ton of air! I have adjusted the reg. and everything! what should I do to make it not suck up as much air?

For one take off the reg it is not needed.

[SR_matt]

with or with out paint? you will shoot off a lot more air dry firing it than if u run paint through it.

u can put a softer bolt spring in and then take down the velecioty adjuster to get it back to a low enough fps but it might be harder on the paint.

-matt

[don miguel]

[QUOTE=fire1811]For one take off the reg it is not needed.[/QUOTE

my mistake I don't have a reg I mean the stock 68/ minimag valve.

[behemoth]

Mags are gas hogs. and dont shoot really deep into a tank either.

Live with it.

[don miguel]

with or with out paint? you will shoot off a lot more air dry firing it than if u run paint through it.

u can put a softer bolt spring in and then take down the velecioty adjuster to get it back to a low enough fps but it might be harder on the paint.

-matt

im not dry firing it, i am talking about with paint, do you have any duggestions, besides buying an x valve. does this happen with your mag?

[fire1811]

[QUOTE=fire1811]For one take off the reg it is not needed.[/QUOTE

my mistake I don't have a reg I mean the stock 68/ minimag valve.

Gottcha.
How many shots you getting and what size tank?

[don miguel]

Mags are gas hogs. and dont shoot really deep into a tank either.

Live with it.

does your mag suck air too? can the x valve fix that?

[fire1811]

can the x valve fix that?

In short not really. Efficiency is going to be the same for the most part.

[behemoth]

using level 7 will help.

And double as a blender...

[don miguel]

using level 7 will help.

And double as a blender...
what does a lvl 7 do, is it cheaper and easier too install than a lvl 10.

[behemoth]

what does a lvl 7 do, is it cheaper and easier too install than a lvl 10.

I was being a smartass.

Dont get level 7. Just get a bigger tank, or get it filled more often.

Its not THAT bad.

[zackzel]

what does a lvl 7 do, is it cheaper and easier too install than a lvl 10.

Level 7 was bolt used for the past 10 years before the level 10. Its simple to install and will never need adjusted, but it will chop. It is slighly more efficent then the level 10 but not enough for you even really to notice.

[fire1811]

Again
How many shots are you getting and what is your tank size.

[don miguel]

Again
How many shots are you getting and what is your tank size.
I get a good two hoppers (180 rounds each) and about a pod and a half (150 round) so an estamate of a total of 500 shots out of a PURE ENERGY 48 cu 3000psi tank. when the manual says 700 shots out of a 9 oz. WHAT IS WRONG! is that normal?

[fire1811]

I get a good two hoppers (180 rounds each) and about a pod and a half (150 round) so an estamate of a total of 500 shots out of a PURE ENERGY 48 cu 3000psi tank. when the manual says 700 shots out of a 9 oz. WHAT IS WRONG! is that normal?

Holy balls thats a small tank. And Im sorry but thats about right.

I have a 68/4500 and get about 1100-1300 shots.

[ahellers]

yeah tehat seems right to me. if you get a 68ci tank you will get quite a few more.
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[behemoth]

yeah tehat seems right to me. if you get a 68ci tank you will get quite a few more.
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hehe, i bought an 88/45 when i had my emag :)

[Lenny]

I'd actually have to say that's pretty good out of a 45/3000. I get about 1200 on a good day out of my 68/45. Being a mech, I don't shoot too much, and if that's the only gun I play with during the day (besides pump), half a case is all I need.

If it really is that big of a problem, most fields do all-day-air, so I wouldn't worry about it.

[tribalman]

i guess i'm lucky to live in a place that has hpa and all day air. i have 2 90/4500 tanks i use, one is a screw in PMI and the other is an AA armageddon. on both of them i will get a halo and 3 pods. but i'm left at about 1k-2k depending on which mag or valve i use. i have an emag valve, and 3 xvalves i will use on either the emag or my tac. i always fill after a game, wether it's a tourney (been a while) or just open games. even when i used my 2k2 timmy i would get about 1k shots dryfiring at home, but when i go out to play i still fill every game or if i only went a hopper +1 pod i would go 2. i say either get a bigger tank or just fill more often, if you can.

[buzzboy]

I have a minimag/minimag valve/level X and on a 92/45 I am getting about 1200-1500 shots per tank. But that does include some dry firing in the middle.

[don miguel]

so bacically i am getting a good amount of shots out of my 48/3000 tank. that works out. I think im going to get an 88 or something bigger.

thank you guys for your suggestions.

[warbeak2099]

Don't get something that's too big. A 68 is the perfect size IMO. You can get used 68/45 crossfires pretty cheap on the classifieds section. I'd go for it. Oh, and please stop bumping threads that are older than the dinosaurs.

[mobsterboy]

thats a 9 oz CO2 tank
co2 has this thing called "turnstoliquid", so the actual volume of co2 is quite a bit more than it "holds" in the tank, it just needs room to expand

[rkjunior303]

the 92/4500 Crossfire I had was perfect. Same size as a 68, just a bit fatter.

[SR_matt]

wow you guys and ur huge tanks, i used a 68/45 on my cocker with a drop, my 45/45 feels perfect on my mag with just a unimount and from my estimates ill get like 700 balls off and thats not too bad for the amount i normaly carry (3-4 pods and the piods only hold 100 cause they are stealth pods which have a liner in them)

-matt

[gibby]

Unfortunately for me, most of the fields here don't have all day air. We pay per 1000psi. When you're shooting an Emag, that gets pretty expensive. It always irritated me that I can't shoot past 750psi with my LX. Fortunately for me, I managed to make a trade for a Viking which should make playing less of a price burden.

[don miguel]

does anyone use regs for thier mag just to fine tune the air input to save you a little air? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[bentothejam1n]

it will starve to valve of air
the valve is the reg

[don miguel]

it will starve to valve of air
the valve is the reg

i know the valve is the reg, so there is no way to save air. im jealous my friends ion gets 2000 rounds out of a 48/3000 tank. but ions are for rich kids who have too much paint and money too spend getting thier ion fixed evrey week.

[StygShore]

A case out of a 48/3000 tank?

I think not....


Styg


Your post count is getting up there pretty good from all these "my friend said..." posts though :)

[Chronobreak]

A case out of a 48/3000 tank?

I think not....


Styg


Your post count is getting up there pretty good from all these "my friend said..." posts though :)


oh and plenty of other very usefull post

show me an ion getting 2k rounds at 280 fps il send ya $20(stock ion)
ive ntoiced ions to be less efficent than mags in general

i wouldnt expect more than 500 shots from either mag or ion with a 47/3k

[don miguel]

oh and plenty of other very usefull post

show me an ion getting 2k rounds at 280 fps il send ya $20(stock ion)
ive ntoiced ions to be less efficent than mags in general

i wouldnt expect more than 500 shots from either mag or ion with a 47/3k

I think not, mabe I was over exadurating he gets at leas 3/4 of a case with a 48/3000 and a palmer stabilizer as a reg. Mabe my tank is messed up Im not getting that much eg- 300 rounds out of a 3000/48.

[StygShore]

1500 shots on a 48/3000?

someone want to figure the actual gas comsumtion on that?


Styg

[fire1811]

Your post count is getting up there pretty good from all these "my friend said..." posts though :)

Along with 68 other PW posts

[don miguel]

Along with 68 other PW posts
sorry i dont want to use his name online. that would kind of be bad if he didn't know that I did it. His ion is incredibally (i dont care if I spelled that wrong) air efficent (or that) and I am jealous that the mag isnt I guess thats not a problem if you have all day air.

[Pneumagger]

Don, let me explain something here...

The AKA Viking is the benchmark for efficiency. It gets just over a case per 68/4500 if everything is running smoothly. The same viking that gets 2000+ shots on a 68/4500 might get 900 shots on a 47/3000. An Ego might get 750 shots off a 47/3000.

I'm sorry, but a budget spooler gun, even with a QEV and upgraded bolt, isn't going to get much better than 500 rounds off a 47/3000. Ions have nearly identical efficiency to 'mags... period.

[don miguel]

Don, let me explain something here...

The AKA Viking is the benchmark for efficiency. It gets just over a case per 68/4500 if everything is running smoothly. The same viking that gets 2000+ shots on a 68/4500 might get 900 shots on a 47/3000. An Ego might get 750 shots off a 47/3000.

I'm sorry, but a budget spooler gun, even with a QEV and upgraded bolt, isn't going to get much better than 500 rounds off a 47/3000. Ions have nearly identical efficiency to 'mags... period.
Thanks for your reply, and I have one question. I will probably get flamed for this but you might know the awnser and it's not about air, but what are emag lowers? is that an emag conversion kit or something? Can you get an emag trigger frame for a minimag? I just want to know. Thanks :cheers:

[MarkM]

Thanks for your reply, and I have one question. I will probably get flamed for this but you might know the awnser and it's not about air, but what are emag lowers? is that an emag conversion kit or something? Can you get an emag trigger frame for a minimag? I just want to know. Thanks :cheers:


Looks like you have begun to listen :hail:

Sensible question about the emag lowers...admittedly I do know what they are, though I for one have never understood why the term is used as it is....I will leave the answer for another to tell you.

[SR_matt]

please correct me if i am wrong but

emag lowers are the trigger frame and battery on the emag rail the term lowers is becasue it is the lower part of the gun, u can basicaly bolt it onto any body and vavle and u have an emag

-matt

[StygShore]

Emag Lowers are the lower rail assembly of an E-mag including the rail, sear assembly, battery pack, and grip frame.


Aside from the ClassicRT mag, you can use this lower assembly on any Upper body assembly, Karta, Dalara, ULE, Powerfeed, whatever.


Styg

[gibby]

Actually, you'd have to modify the Emag rail to accept the powerfeed bodies like the minimag body.

[MarkM]

The last three posts are sensible in what they say but I will explain what I meant about the way the term has been used. very often in For Sale threads (or look at my 'Mag) you see this lower and that lower (not always E-Mag) but the way in which they are used in the For Sale thread (or Look at my 'Mag) indicates that they are upgrade parts, swaps is what they are most of the time, if they improve the performance is in more than a few cases up for discussion, most of the time it is simply a different cosmetic look.
It has become a buzz term and doesn't help anyone really as many of the For sale threads will also say upgraded lowers....come on just say what it really has. IE Rogue rail etc etc. sure a lot of rails can be interchanged but they don't add to the performance it is purely a looks thing.
The differing configurations of the on/off pin etc ARE upgrades but then as I see the discussions they are often awkward and depend on other parts being used. It is things like this that make me glad my mag just sits in the cupboard ;) Yes it is upgraded to a point, Valve, FFV, Q-Tip, Bolt, Sear but not what I want or need to use anymore.

[StygShore]

Not if it was a standard emag rail that had not been ULEd

Orginal Emags were twist lock also :cool:


Actually, you'd have to modify the Emag rail to accept the powerfeed bodies like the minimag body.

[MarkM]

Some consider weight to be a performance upgrade, not just purely for looks. A stock E-mag/RT Pro rails weighs in around 7-8 oz. The shadow rail between 2.7-3.0 oz. A 4-5 oz savings...thats nearly 1/4 lb!

Food for thought. :cheers:


Granted that is in the extreme end of things, the RT was a damned heavy marker to begin with so anything I guess would be a performance upgrade on that particular marker but on the regular mags is more what I was getting at. I used to use a Shoebox Shocker on CO2 so a few ounces doesn't bother me ;) Quite often the weight isn't really an issue as a well balanced (for the individual user) marker will perform better. My setup (non mag) is physically heavier than some others Timmy or Egos but everyone who has borrowed it doesn't want to give it back as when they used it it felt lighter than what they had been using.

[don miguel]

please correct me if i am wrong but

emag lowers are the trigger frame and battery on the emag rail the term lowers is becasue it is the lower part of the gun, u can basicaly bolt it onto any body and vavle and u have an emag

-matt
Thanks, how much do these cost and where can you buy them.

[don miguel]

The last three posts are sensible in what they say but I will explain what I meant about the way the term has been used. very often in For Sale threads (or look at my 'Mag) you see this lower and that lower (not always E-Mag) but the way in which they are used in the For Sale thread (or Look at my 'Mag) indicates that they are upgrade parts, swaps is what they are most of the time, if they improve the performance is in more than a few cases up for discussion, most of the time it is simply a different cosmetic look.
It has become a buzz term and doesn't help anyone really as many of the For sale threads will also say upgraded lowers....come on just say what it really has. IE Rogue rail etc etc. sure a lot of rails can be interchanged but they don't add to the performance it is purely a looks thing.
The differing configurations of the on/off pin etc ARE upgrades but then as I see the discussions they are often awkward and depend on other parts being used. It is things like this that make me glad my mag just sits in the cupboard ;) Yes it is upgraded to a point, Valve, FFV, Q-Tip, Bolt, Sear but not what I want or need to use anymore.
Thanks for the info, I was wondering what that meant.

[Pickle]

As it was explained to me once...

3000 psi tanks multiply C.I. by 10 to determine approximately how many shots you will get from the tank.
4000 psi tanks multiply C.I. by 15 to determine approximately how many shots you will get from the tank.


So.... 68/3000 will get you 680 shots (roughly)
So.... 68/4500 will get you 1020 shots (roughly)
You can do the math on other tanks

I don't know what math/AGD genius came up with that but it works for my mags.

[don miguel]

As it was explained to me once...

3000 psi tanks multiply C.I. by 10 to determine approximately how many shots you will get from the tank.
4000 psi tanks multiply C.I. by 15 to determine approximately how many shots you will get from the tank.


So.... 68/3000 will get you 680 shots (roughly)
So.... 68/4500 will get you 1020 shots (roughly)
You can do the math on other tanks

I don't know what math/AGD genius came up with that but it works for my mags.

I guess I get 480 shots, only one bag. Damn, time for an upgrade go 88ci!
*************thanks for the response!******************