EEEK North Korea

[ahellers]

FOX news just reported that North Korea has just preformed a Nuke Test......
Duck and cover :eek:
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[trevorjk]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/10/08/korea.nuclear.test/index.html


SEOUL, South Korea (CNN) -- North Korea on Monday claimed it has performed a successful nuclear test, according to that country's official Korean Central News Agency (KCNA).

South Korean government officials also said North Korea performed its first nuclear test, the South's Yonhap news agency reported.

The apparent nuclear test was conducted at 10:36 a.m. (0136 GMT) in Hwaderi near Kilju city, Yonhap reported, citing defense officials.

"The field of scientific research in the DPRK (North Korea's official name) successfully conducted an underground nuclear test under secure conditions on October 9 ... at a stirring time when all the people of the country are making a great leap forward in the building of a great prosperous powerful socialist nation," KCNA reported.

Late Sunday in Washington, a U.S. military official told CNN that "something clearly has happened," but the Pentagon was working to fully confirm the report.

Senior U.S. officials said they also believed the test took place, citing seismic data that appeared to show one.

"The nuclear test was conducted with indigenous wisdom and technology 100 percent. It marks a historic event as it greatly encouraged and pleased the KPA (Korean People's Army) and people that have wished to have powerful self-reliant defense capability," KCNA reported.

"It will contribute to defending the peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula and in the area around it."

The U.S. Geological Survey's Rafael Abreau said the earthquake-measuring agency has not recorded any seismic activity from North Korea.

However, South Korean intelligence officials said a seismic wave of magnitude-3.58 had been detected in North Hamkyung province, according to Yonhap.

In Tokyo, the prime minister's office said Japan had set up a task force to address the situation.

Chief government spokesman Yasuhisa Shiozaki said if a nuclear test was confirmed, Japan would "strongly protest" it.

High-level South Korean officials were meeting Monday after intelligence of the suspected test was received.

"President Roh Moo-hyun called in an emergency meeting of related ministers on Monday to discuss the North Korean nuclear issue," said Yonhap, quoting Foreign Ministry spokesman Choo Kyu-ho.

"The meeting comes as there has been a grave change in the situation involving the North's nuclear activity."

According to KCNA, there was no radioactive leakage from the site.

On Friday, the U.N. Security Council warned North Korea against performing a nuclear test, citing unspecified action if it should do so.

It also called on North Korea to return immediately to the six-party talks with China, Japan, South Korea, Russia and the United States.
'Serious provocation'

Citing American belligerence and pressure, North Korea said Tuesday that a nuclear test was in the works. A date and time for the test was not given.

The report of the test came as Japan's new Prime Minister Shinzo Abe arrived in Seoul for meetings with President Roh Moo-hyun to address the nuclear issue as well as address strains in relations between the two countries over territorial and historical disputes.

North Korea accused rival South Korea on Monday of committing a serious provocation by firing warning shots during a weekend incident in which the South says soldiers from the communist North crossed over their border.

The border shooting came Saturday. South Korean soldiers rattled off about 40 warning shots after a group of five North Korean troops crossed into the southern side of the no-man's-land separating the divided Korean peninsula, South Korea said.

No one was hurt in the incident.

On Monday, members of the U.N. Security Council are expected to select South Korean Foreign Minister Ban Ki-moon to succeed Kofi Annan as secretary-general of the world body.

In a straw poll last Monday, all but one of the 15 council members supported that choice, according to Chinese Ambassador Wang Guangya.

John Bolton, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, refused to discuss the outcome of the vote, but said: "I think it was sufficiently clear that all members of the council agreed to move to a formal vote on Monday night," he said. The announcement would be made Tuesday, he said.

CNN's Jamie McIntyre, Barbara Starr, Sohn Jie-ae and Elise Labott contributed to this report

Copyright 2006 CNN. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Associated Press contributed to this report.

[Steelrat]

Well, I'm sure glad we didn't invade a country that actually had weapons of mass destruction. Let's keep picking on countries we think that we can easily defeat.

NK having nukes is very, very, very bad. They've proven that they will sell anything to anyone.

[neppo1345]

It's still only a step...the nuclear device still has yet to be weaponized...

Basically, it's probably about the size of a small car...

When they can make it fit into a fridge...

[Steelrat]

It's still only a step...the nuclear device still has yet to be weaponized...

Basically, it's probably about the size of a small car...

When they can make it fit into a fridge...

They can stick it on a ship and sail it next to Tokyo. Plus, it's probably no bigger than the first nukes we had, and we managed to put one of them in a B-29.

[neppo1345]

They can stick it on a ship and sail it next to Tokyo. Plus, it's probably no bigger than the first nukes we had, and we managed to put one of them in a B-29.

Well of course, however in the modern age neither of those are very feasable delivery methods. Yeah, they could sail a ship into tokyo harbor, but then what?

Oh...and our first nuclear 'weapon':

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/GadgetB1024c10.jpg

[Steelrat]

Well of course, however in the modern age neither of those are very feasable delivery methods. Yeah, they could sail a ship into tokyo harbor, but then what?

Oh...and our first nuclear 'weapon':



You're trying to apply logic to an illogical regeime.

Oh, and just so you know, that is essentially the same bomb as the "Fatman" that was dropped on Japan.

Fatman.

http://img9.imagevenue.com/loc430/th_71426_Fat_Man_on_Trailer_122_430lo.jpg (http://img9.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=71426_Fat_Man_on_Trailer_122_430lo.j pg)

[ahellers]

Well of course, however in the modern age neither of those are very feasable delivery methods. Yeah, they could sail a ship into tokyo harbor, but then what?


and then they blow it up.... umm yeah, what so un-feasable?
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[bornl33t]

The field of scientific research in the DPRK successfully conducted an underground nuclear test under secure conditions on October 9, 2006, at a stirring time when all the people of the country are making a great leap forward in the building of a great, prosperous, powerful socialist nation.

"It has been confirmed that there was no such danger as radioactive emission in the course of the nuclear test as it was carried out under scientific consideration and careful calculation.

"The nuclear test was conducted with indigenous wisdom and technology 100 percent. It marks a historic event as it greatly encouraged and pleased the KPA and people that have wished to have powerful self-reliant defense capability.

"It will contribute to defending the peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula and in the area around it."



Since when is a nuke a defensive weapon. Only a moron or a desperate man would use a nuke on his soil.
I'm beginning to think these "wack" countries out there think Americans are dumb. Because how else would anyone be able to believe that?

[ahellers]

I say hit em now, they just blew there only nuke ;)
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[lather]

[QUOTE=Steelrat]You're trying to apply logic to an illogical regeime.


It can be argued that the current regime in the USA isnt exactly the epitome of logic either. :D

[Steelrat]

[QUOTE=Steelrat]You're trying to apply logic to an illogical regeime.


It can be argued that the current regime in the USA isnt exactly the epitome of logic either. :D

I wouldn't say the current US administration is illogical, foolish might be a better term.

Boy, I'm glad our troops are tied up in a useless conflict right now.

[geekwarrior]

[QUOTE=lather]

I wouldn't say the current US administration is illogical, foolish might be a better term.

Boy, I'm glad our troops are tied up in a useless conflict right now.

The only positive I can think of is that they may be a little better prepared for real combat. Course one could argue that they are worn out already too. But I don't think we will be needing them in NK anytime soon. China and Japan have to be pretty worried right now, so maye they'll step in. And I would bet that special forces teams will be doing alot of dirty work first, if they arent already in there.

[rkjunior303]

To a normal regime the nukes themselves are a big enough deterent, but if one were sold to a terrorist organization it's an entirely new can of worms. sadly, as new technolgies become more readily available - i personally think it's only a matter of time. It's not IF it will happen, but when...

[Pneumagger]

I say hit em now, they just blew there only nuke ;)
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I believe we should covertly do this with one of our crappy mini nukes. Set it off near their bomb factories... then blame them like it was thier accident. :p

[personman]

gg america

[geekwarrior]

this is the part were the UN steps in and negoitiates a deal, right? We should have let them do it with Iraq, nows there chance to shine! :clap:

[SCpoloRicker]

I need coffee to wrap my head around the stupid in here. :(

[geekwarrior]

I need coffee to wrap my head around the stupid in here. :(

my post was sarcastic.....

[SCpoloRicker]

my post was sarcastic.....

Yeah, I figured. ;) It's just too early for me to be able to use my meter.

[geekwarrior]

Yeah, I figured. ;) It's just too early for me to be able to use my meter.

so what are your thoughts on this? ;)

[SCpoloRicker]

In a nutshell? Iran will continue to move forward with their program, as we have clearly shown that nukes are a great deterrent.

I doubt that NK will intentionally distribute tech to non-state groups, but I would not be surprised if they helped states such as Iran, Venezuela, etc. to build their programs.

We can't do anything militarily, even without the nuke issue, because the NKs have enough arty to level Seoul in about an hour.

/grass parking rot? ;)

[neppo1345]

I believe we should covertly do this with one of our crappy mini nukes. Set it off near their bomb factories... then blame them like it was thier accident. :p
If only Nixon was still in office...



So they drive on up to tokyo harbor, set off the device and in less than an hour N. Korea becomes a large parking lot for china...

Fat Man weighed 10,000 lbs (even little boy still weighed in at 8900 lbs)...N.Korea's bombers can carry ~7,000 lbs...(All this is assumed that the device would be about as big as our first atomic weapon...)

Yeah, they may be irrational, but they're not retarded...

[Steelrat]

In a nutshell? Iran will continue to move forward with their program, as we have clearly shown that nukes are a great deterrent.

I doubt that NK will intentionally distribute tech to non-state groups, but I would not be surprised if they helped states such as Iran, Venezuela, etc. to build their programs.

We can't do anything militarily, even without the nuke issue, because the NKs have enough arty to level Seoul in about an hour.

/grass parking rot? ;)

That's about all they could do. Their warfighting capability is severely lacking since Soviet support went away. Fixed artillery is a one-trick pony, once the war went mobile, it's fairly useless. Plus, the HART emplacements are really a pre-JDAM or LGB concept.

As for them helping other states, Pakistan already beat them to it. I mean, thats how NK managed to make theirs, after all.

[Steelrat]

Yeah, they may be irrational, but they're not retarded...

I beg to differ.

[trevorjk]

that part that scares me is NK hates Japan. Japan has no defence from such military actions because of the demilitarization after WW2. now if the UN/US drop the peace treaty this would greatly anger China. wich is still persueing punitive damages against japan to this day.

so basically what worries me, is how fragile this region is after the nuclear testing by north korea. you have world super powers now possibly preparing for military actions. and if thats the case, we are possibly looking at ww3

of course these thoughts are all on the extreme end ;)

[Steelrat]

that part that scares me is NK hates Japan. Japan has no defence from such military actions because of the demilitarization after WW2. now if the UN/US drop the peace treaty this would greatly anger China. wich is still persueing punitive damages against japan to this day.

so basically what worries me, is how fragile this region is after the nuclear testing by north korea. you have world super powers now possibly preparing for military actions. and if thats the case, we are possibly looking at ww3

of course these thoughts are all on the extreme end ;)

Japan has the best defensive system in the world today.

The US military.

[trevorjk]

my point exactly, ww3

[Steelrat]

my point exactly, ww3

I don't think anyone would get in the way of the US if the NKs started a fight. The Chinese have proven to be much more intelligent than that.

[SCpoloRicker]

I beg to differ.

I wonder. I know that JKI is a known whacko, but look at it from his view. Testing validates his stance against the US, provides better defense against invasion, and boosts his support internally.

The flipside is that at some point Russia and China will get tired of putting up with their wayward stepchild. This latest action probably tweaked some tail feathers in Moscow and Beijing.

[Steelrat]

I wonder. I know that JKI is a known whacko, but look at it from his view. Testing validates his stance against the US, provides better defense against invasion, and boosts his support internally.

The flipside is that at some point Russia and China will get tired of putting up with their wayward stepchild. This latest action probably tweaked some tail feathers in Moscow and Beijing.

I'm sure it tweaked them alot. They're the ones in range of the NK delivery systems, after all.

[geekwarrior]

now there are reports out saying it may not have been a nuke, and that it will take 72 hours to determine.....maybe just a big load of TNT to pretend they have a nuke?

[Steelrat]

now there are reports out saying it may not have been a nuke, and that it will take 72 hours to determine.....maybe just a big load of TNT to pretend they have a nuke?

Let's hope so, though it would take a LOT of conventional explosives to simulate a nuclear explosion, even a low-yield one.

[-Tab]

The flipside is that at some point Russia and China will get tired of putting up with their wayward stepchild. This latest action probably tweaked some tail feathers in Moscow and Beijing.


Mhmm...I was waiting for that to be brought up.

[Soopa Villain17]

[QUOTE=Steelrat]

The only positive I can think of is that they may be a little better prepared for real combat. Course one could argue that they are worn out already too. But I don't think we will be needing them in NK anytime soon. China and Japan have to be pretty worried right now, so maye they'll step in. And I would bet that special forces teams will be doing alot of dirty work first, if they arent already in there.



real combat ? whats your definition on "real combat" our troops are over there dying everyday , how is that not real ?i say pull our troops out and let the towelheads deal with each other now that weve given them a government and trianed there troops. they can deal with it themselves , weve got sadaam hes not going anyware anytime soon :shooting:

[Steelrat]

[QUOTE=geekwarrior]



real combat ? whats your definition on "real combat" our troops are over there dying everyday , how is that not real ?i say pull our troops out and let the towelheads deal with each other now that weve given them a government and trianed there troops. they can deal with it themselves , weve got sadaam hes not going anyware anytime soon :shooting:

Our troops are fighting a counter-insurgency conflict. While it has sharpened their skills considerably, any conflict in North Korea would probably more closely resemble the old Cold War/Fulda Gap scenarios. We have really shorted our ground forces in that respect lately.

[geekwarrior]

[QUOTE=geekwarrior]



real combat ? whats your definition on "real combat" our troops are over there dying everyday , how is that not real ?i say pull our troops out and let the towelheads deal with each other now that weve given them a government and trianed there troops. they can deal with it themselves , weve got sadaam hes not going anyware anytime soon :shooting:

its dangerous police work, occasional some of the troops may experience actual combat, but if you compare this type of fighting with say WWII, than it is small in comparison. I am not tyring to belittle their role or downplay the danger or courage it takes. I dont like seeing our soldiers killed either.

[kosmo]

Sweet mother of god, when is soopa going to stop trying to post in any thread that requires more than 3.5 brain cells?

Japans got a rather decent military. Theyve got a lot of the same things we do, such as F-15s, a miniaturized version of an Abrams, and lots of high tech toys. Hell, theydve wiped out NK by now if SK/US wouldve let them. Also, China has been pretty sick of Kim Jong Il for quite a few years, since hes starved such a large portion of his population to death. Millions of refugees flooded China and since then theyve pretty much closed the border and quit being friendly.