Tom Insulted!

[Jimmykaboots]

I was reading another paintball forum and saw someone insult Tom, let us organize a riot squad and hunt him/her down! Come my fellow paintballers and loyals to AGD!


The_Leech



Joined: 13 Feb 2007
Posts: 39
Location: Chi-town
Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:01 am Post subject:

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Magus, AGD is doing truley bad due to that, its their time to die off. Yes, the E-mag is a wonderful marker, I have one and it rocks the hizzouse. But Tom Kaye is a cocky fool, and thinks Nascar is entertaining....he compaired to paintball, that paintball should be like Nascar.


WTF.

anyways...

AGD went down the drain due to its lack in technology that kept people buying it (for they dont currently have belief that the E-mag is worth 1000 dollars) for it only comes with a Semi Auto mode, and no eyes. Generally it comes with the Level 10 bolt and and Xvalve, but the new tournie player that got his parents to pay for his next gun, wont want it unless the masses have it.


http://www.face-full.com/frm/viewtopic.php?p=357&sid=d3b57db56bf685c4944b74ef282c816f

[Ninjeff]

psssshhhhhhh :shooting:

[jenarelJAM]

Don't worry, people like that only hurt themselves. :rolleyes:

[Jimmykaboots]

We outta grab our automags and have a game against whatever kind of foo gun he's using.

[ProblemKinder]

i'd be a cocky fool too if i had created the best marker ever. :headbang:

[punkncat]

I doubt any of that would upset Tom in the least. However something in that AO isn't the same thread did...it went poof fast.

[Niox]

I don't know Tom at all but I don't think that would even graze the surface. Sticks and stones I think. Tom is a great man and somewhat of a legend and it is deservedly so. One day AGD will be back at the top once the turmoild in the industry has calmed down I know it will. ;)

[flyboy]

Not only that, he insulted NASCAR! :mad:

[Dark Side]

i'd be a cocky fool too if i had created the best marker ever. :headbang:

And had legions of fans to prove it!

[behemoth]

Not only that, he insulted NASCAR! :mad:

No, that part of his post was factual.

Nascar sucks.

[bleachit]

to agree with everyone else, I doubt Mr. Kaye can be insulted by someone who can't use proper grammar or spelling.

[warbeak2099]

How about the fact that Tom was insulted by his very own community not a few days ago? How about someone gets pissed off about that rather than make some stupid joke thread like this?

[Chronobreak]

yeah, i went to the "pro shop" yesterday and was told that ags is dead and not making guns.

that was news to me.... :tard:

--i seee you tom :ninja:

[behemoth]

yeah, i went to the "pro shop" yesterday and was told that ags is dead and not making guns.

that was news to me.... :tard:

--i seee you tom :ninja:

My two shops stopped carrying AGD like 3-4 yrs ago.

"Its dead, nobody buys mags anymore."

[Tac-OneFun]

shop i go to is one of the biggest AGD retailers in the SouthEast if not the nation.

We love em

[pyrodragon]

My two shops stopped carrying AGD like 3-4 yrs ago.

"Its dead, nobody buys mags anymore."

yeah that's why i bought a mag last week. when you make a product that is so good that doesn't need any improvement or upgrades you tend to lose out over the course of time. also look at it this way, Tom is the only company owner/former company owner (that i know of) that is active in forums for the gun he sells. a mag is a mag and will be a mag forever.

[Desega]

How about the fact that Tom was insulted by his very own community not a few days ago? How about someone gets pissed off about that rather than make some stupid joke thread like this?
Dude, TK had a good reason to. He asked for a favor and got slapped in the face. But I don't think that TK would get upset about being called cocky. He has done more for paintball than this guy can possible realize. However, if its a battle they want, let's give em' a war!! Chuff Chuff, for old times sake.

[DeTrevni]

I missed that whole event. What happened?

[MaD_SaM]

I missed it also, what was the favor?

[cyrus-the-virus]

The person doesen't know what he's talking about. It's pretty obvius.

Let him piss and moan, he's not hurting anyone.

[y0da900]

http://automags.org/forums/showthread.php?t=212256

Most of us missed it due to it being a sticky. Tom thought it odd and very unlike the AO he knew that his request was ignored. It was brought up that most of us didnt see it from it being a sticky, not ignored, and some people insulted Tom for his expressing disappointment with what he thought had happened.

[Jimmykaboots]

My two shops stopped carrying AGD like 3-4 yrs ago.

"Its dead, nobody buys mags anymore."

Lol thats what my local store said too, when I asked if they had any mag upgrades they all just burst out laughing, even the owner of the store came out and shouted: MAGS ARE DEAD SONNY! GET WITH THE TIMES! Out with the old shoes and in with the new galoshes!

[punkncat]

How about the fact that Tom was insulted by his very own community not a few days ago? How about someone gets pissed off about that rather than make some stupid joke thread like this?


Dude, TK had a good reason to. He asked for a favor and got slapped in the face.


Most of us missed it due to it being a sticky. Tom thought it odd and very unlike the AO he knew that his request was ignored. It was brought up that most of us didnt see it from it being a sticky, not ignored, and some people insulted Tom for his expressing disappointment with what he thought had happened.


I said it on the post that was deleted, and I will say it again. Why should we give well wishes to some guy we didn't know?
Would it make you feel better to have someone "send you a card" because someone else asked them to do it? And by the "jib" of the second post made them feel obligated to because of guilt?

I am sure that his posting it will get the word around to the people that the info pertained to, and they will send appropriate sympathies.

[Tao]

Actually paintball is like nascar these days. Speedball is the nascar of paintball. Take either sport (paintball or racing) and stirp it down to pure speed and not much skill. How much skill does it take to walk the trigger? How much skill does it take to always turn left? Its all about woods ball and rally racing. They both incorporate every aspect possible for both sports.

[punkncat]

Actually paintball is like nascar these days. Speedball is the nascar of paintball. Take either sport (paintball or racing) and stirp it down to pure speed and not much skill. How much skill does it take to walk the trigger? How much skill does it take to always turn left? Its all about woods ball and rally racing. They both incorporate every aspect possible for both sports.

That comparison shows how little you truly know about each sport.

[ProblemKinder]

Lol thats what my local store said too, when I asked if they had any mag upgrades they all just burst out laughing, even the owner of the store came out and shouted: MAGS ARE DEAD SONNY! GET WITH THE TIMES! Out with the old Birkenstocks and in with the new open toed sandals!

you should have shot him with your old Flexi-Flyer and told him where to stick his new ostrich eggs :headbang: :headbang: :shooting:

[ProblemKinder]

That comparison shows how little you truly know about each sport.

well, while i agree it is easy to walk a trigger, and it is also easy to turn left, it was a pretty bad comparison considering those two aspects of each sport is such a small part of what it takes to be successful.

speedball 4EVA!! :headbang: :headbang:

p.s. nascar's lame :eek:

[DeTrevni]

Actually paintball is like nascar these days. Speedball is the nascar of paintball. Take either sport (paintball or racing) and stirp it down to pure speed and not much skill. How much skill does it take to walk the trigger? How much skill does it take to always turn left? Its all about woods ball and rally racing. They both incorporate every aspect possible for both sports.

Well now. Ignorance must be bliss. But that's not what the conversation is about.

My take on the TK event is this, based off of what I've gathered: While many of us may have not known him, it couldn't hurt to offer your best wishes. I don't know what Tom said to you guys, but I assume it was pretty harsh judging by your reactions.

[Jimmykaboots]

Tom is like our Idol practically, we all respect him, RFL! Respect for Life!

[CKY_Alliance]

Tom is like our Idol practically, we all respect him, RFL! Respect for Life!



Not to take anything away from him, but the man created a paintball marker....I mean come on.

[Jimmykaboots]

Not to take anything away from him, but the man created a paintball marker....I mean come on.

Yea as a paintballer we should all respect him. For the paintball industry only though. Since he hasn't created any revolutionary ideas or concepts on medicine or politics. I dig what you mean Alliance, we shouldn't take this whole worshiping thing to a new and crazy level.

[Al_Steel]

**POOF*** say it without swearing.

Doh! Sorry Tom, was taking my lead from another post. Should have left it at ****. Apologies.

In short... newer doesn't always equal better. The newer electros are good at draining your wallet. Just b/c it's not flying off the shelves today doesn't mean it's not better, just a lot better marketed.

[jenarelJAM]

I said it on the post that was deleted, and I will say it again. Why should we give well wishes to some guy we didn't know?
Would it make you feel better to have someone "send you a card" because someone else asked them to do it? And by the "jib" of the second post made them feel obligated to because of guilt?

I am sure that his posting it will get the word around to the people that the info pertained to, and they will send appropriate sympathies.
I somewhat agree, although my own reasons for not posting were slightly different.

If I had cancer, the last thing I would want to do would be to listen to a bunch of people I didn't know reminding me I had cancer. I couldn't think of any way to get his mind off it, since it was obvious he wasn't responsive and I didn't know him personally. Anything I said would be because, and only because, he has cancer, not because I knew him, was friends with him, and could talk to him like a friend.

Tom said he wasn't responsive to emails or phone calls. Sounds to me like someone who is hiding from all the sympathy. He didn't want sympathy, so I didn't want to force mine on him. I admit, I saw that thread soon after it was posted, and didn't post in it, but I didn't ignore it. I learned who he was, and his is another paintball name I will remember forever.

[punkncat]

Al,
I agree with you to a point, but importantly...you should quickly go edit your post and NOT circumvent the curse filter.

[CKY_Alliance]

POOF



Ye I'm not even going to start on this one..it will end up like the last 5 threads on the same topic..no where.

[punkncat]

I somewhat agree, although my own reasons for not posting were slightly different.

If I had cancer, the last thing I would want to do would be to listen to a bunch of people I didn't know reminding me I had cancer. I couldn't think of any way to get his mind off it, since it was obvious he wasn't responsive and I didn't know him personally. Anything I said would be because, and only because, he has cancer, not because I knew him, was friends with him, and could talk to him like a friend.

Tom said he wasn't responsive to emails or phone calls. Sounds to me like someone who is hiding from all the sympathy. He didn't want sympathy, so I didn't want to force mine on him. I admit, I saw that thread soon after it was posted, and didn't post in it, but I didn't ignore it. I learned who he was, and his is another paintball name I will remember forever.

Very good point.

I saw the post as well, but just didn't feel right posting. I have a very matter of fact POV on death. We all are going to die. There is nothing we can do. It sucks that he knows how and to a point when. How can some guy that doesn't know him come off and say, "Gee it really sucks that you know you are on a short time frame"?

[warbeak2099]

Yea as a paintballer we should all respect him. For the paintball industry only though. Since he hasn't created any revolutionary ideas or concepts on medicine or politics. I dig what you mean Alliance, we shouldn't take this whole worshiping thing to a new and crazy level.

He's actually a very accomplished scientist. He works in the fields of astrology and archaeology. Would you stop acting like a raving AGD fanboi? It's sickening. Just because some loser made a comment about mags being dead doesn't mean you have to make some ridiculous and pointless thread like this.

This goes in the same category as those stupid posts that basically in one line say, "Dude omg teh mags are greatest guns evar!". And that's the whole post... If you have something intelligent or useful to say, say it. Otherwise don't waste forum space. I'm sure you love your mag, but it's not the greatest gun in the world, nor is Tom Kaye a living god. He's a very intelligent man and he should be respected for being an all around good guy. But threads like these just make a joke out of it and they make mag shooters look like 12yos with Ions. Enough is enough.

[ProblemKinder]

dude omg teh mags are greatest gun evar :headbang: :headbang:

[turbo chicken]

... Chuff Chuff, for old times sake.

Taken out of context ... but that's all that needs to be said ...

chuff chuff ...

/end thread

[warbeak2099]

dude omg teh mags are greatest gun evar :headbang: :headbang:

I meant entire threads that are created just to say that one line. It's retarded.

[Jimmykaboots]

you should have shot him with your old Flexi-Flyer and told him where to stick his new ostrich eggs :headbang: :headbang: :shooting:

Hahah thats a good one, and that other crack, 12 year old kids with Ions, man have I ever seen that alot.

[Tao]

That comparison shows how little you truly know about each sport.

Everything that is in speedball is in woods ball, everything that is in nascar is in formula one or rally so saying the reverse both sports focus on only a few concepts. Speedball is a different flavour and is enjoyable every now and then, but it gets boring really fast (as does nascar).

[Jimmykaboots]

Everything that is in speedball is in woods ball, everything that is in nascar is in formula one or rally so saying the reverse both sports focus on only a few concepts. Speedball is a different flavour and is enjoyable every now and then, but it gets boring really fast (as does nascar).

Because it's so repetitive?

[Al_Steel]

I thinks Tom's reference to NASCAR was to imply that (like NASCAR) we should remove the technological edge that some markers provide, level the playing field, and focus on the player, not the marker. For those of you that don't know, NASCAR has a very strict set of rules for vehicles that are allowed to compete. They are all basically equal in their capabilities and technology. Any new part/innovation must be approved by the NASCAR committee before it's allowed on the track. This means that all NASCAR racers must rely upon their crew, strategy, and their driving skill to pull off a victory as opposed to whoever has the deepest pockets.

But that's a pipe dream. Paintball has become a big money sport now and nobody, especially a manufacturer that's sponsoring a big event, is going to give up their tech edge. It may take an organization or league similar to NASCAR, that will agree upon a standard for markers that are allowed in tournament play to remove the focus from the marker, and put it on the players.

AGD edit: Finally someone gets my ideas right. It is a pipe dream but you have to start somewhere.

[punkncat]

So, it takes no skill whatsoever to drive a car at nearly 200 MPH around a track, inches from other cars and the wall w/o hitting them. Too fast out of a corner and you spin, too fast in and you plow....If it were that easy eveyone would be a NASCAR driver.

Just like the only skill involved in Speedball is to shoot your ramping marker....opponents are automatically eliminated just because you are shooting that much. Heaven knows they aren't, right? There is no skill, no strategy involved. Its all paint and marker.

:rolleyes:

Anyone who thinks that needs to register for the next "national" tourney in their area in beginner class and get an education.

[Al_Steel]

I think you missed my point. I'm not saying that a technological edge is the ONLY thing that makes the player (or driver). Of course skill is involved, you don't just jump behind the wheel of a 800HP track car and "poof!" you're a professional racer. All other things being equal however, professional paintball player, driver, pool player, etc. if you give them a tool that is superior to their opponents and they know how to properly employ that tool then their odds of victory increase greatly. If a team has enough money or the technological backing to continue to bring a superior tool to the game then they will always win.

Look at our military, unarguably the best in the world. It's not that other countries don't know how or lack the will to fight, it's just that we have the largest technological edge. Which means that in a "symetrical" fight we will likely win. That's great and preferrable when it comes down to warfare. In sports it kinda sucks b/c one team will consistently sweep the field until someone with deeper pockets or a better mousetrap comes along.

[teufelhunden]

omg someone called some dude i never met some name on some board im so sad i should go cry forever :(

[Desega]

Because it's so repetitive?
Every sport in the world is repeptitive. As once quoted, "When's the last time you watched a baseball game where the runner slid into second and was maulled by a polar bear?"

[warbeak2099]

omg someone called some dude i never met some name on some board im so sad i should go cry forever :(

Lol for truth


Every sport in the world is repeptitive. As once quoted, "When's the last time you watched a baseball game where the runner slid into second and was maulled by a polar bear?"

Double lol for truth hahaha

[ProblemKinder]

you should have shot him with your old Flexi-Flyer and told him where to stick his new ostrich eggs :headbang: :headbang: :shooting:

yes i'm replying to my own post....

why were my asterix' edited? are asterix' not allowed? :cuss:

i don't even curse in real life i just quoted someone elses ****.

[Desega]

astrix's are offensive in some countries. Everyone knows that. :tard:

[CKY_Alliance]

yes i'm replying to my own post....

why were my asterix' edited? are asterix' not allowed? :cuss:

i don't even curse in real life i just quoted someone elses ****.


According to Army allowing the curse filter to filter your curse words is against the rules and is a bannable offense..

[FSU_Paintball]

I would think that one would have to form a cohesive, readable argument before it could really be considered an "insult"

[punkncat]

I think you missed my point. I'm not saying that a technological edge is the ONLY thing that makes the player (or driver). Of course skill is involved, you don't just jump behind the wheel of a 800HP track car and "poof!" you're a professional racer. All other things being equal however, professional paintball player, driver, pool player, etc. if you give them a tool that is superior to their opponents and they know how to properly employ that tool then their odds of victory increase greatly. If a team has enough money or the technological backing to continue to bring a superior tool to the game then they will always win.

Look at our military, unarguably the best in the world. It's not that other countries don't know how or lack the will to fight, it's just that we have the largest technological edge. Which means that in a "symetrical" fight we will likely win. That's great and preferrable when it comes down to warfare. In sports it kinda sucks b/c one team will consistently sweep the field until someone with deeper pockets or a better mousetrap comes along.

Most assuredly we have taken a tangent here....but as I enjoy the debate.
I ponder, what is this technological edge you speak of within paintball?
According to PSP rules which are used for many different leagues within the states, you may fire a max of 15.2 (15.4?) BPS ramping after/on the third pull. No runaway, no bounce....etc. So if all markers have to fall under those restrictions, and are checked almost every game by officials, what is this advantage you speak of?

[Aggravated Assault]

I thinks Tom's reference to NASCAR was to imply that (like NASCAR) we should remove the technological edge that some markers provide, level the playing field, and focus on the player, not the marker. For those of you that don't know, NASCAR has a very strict set of rules for vehicles that are allowed to compete. They are all basically equal in their capabilities and technology. Any new part/innovation must be approved by the NASCAR committee before it's allowed on the track. This means that all NASCAR racers must rely upon their crew, strategy, and their driving skill to pull off a victory as opposed to whoever has the deepest pockets.

:) You only have one thing amiss...it still matters who has the deepest pockets. :D

Personally, I think the similarity between racing and paintball is uncanny, in some respects.


But that's a pipe dream. Paintball has become a big money sport now and nobody, especially a manufacturer that's sponsoring a big event, is going to give up their tech edge. It may take an organization or league similar to NASCAR, that will agree upon a standard for markers that are allowed in tournament play to remove the focus from the marker, and put it on the players.

This same thing came up last year in several threads, about the same time frame. A couple people made that exact argument, myself one. Why is it such a pipe dream?


AGD edit: Finally someone gets my ideas right. It is a pipe dream but you have to start somewhere.

:D I'm just glad someone else feels the way I do!!!! :D

[Desega]

I'm just glad that people are calming down now.

[WenULiVeUdiE]

I used to think this forum would be able to see past alot of the typical hype and, for a lack of better terms, BS within this industry.

This thread proves otherwise...

[Desega]

I think that it's interesting how flame oriented AO has become within the last 3 years. (not excluding myself, I do it too.) I remember when that kind of thing would be laughed at. Good times.

[ProblemKinder]

So, it takes no skill whatsoever to drive a car at nearly 200 MPH around a track, inches from other cars and the wall w/o hitting them. Too fast out of a corner and you spin, too fast in and you plow....If it were that easy eveyone would be a NASCAR driver.

Just like the only skill involved in Speedball is to shoot your ramping marker....opponents are automatically eliminated just because you are shooting that much. Heaven knows they aren't, right? There is no skill, no strategy involved. Its all paint and marker.

:rolleyes:

Anyone who thinks that needs to register for the next "national" tourney in their area in beginner class and get an education.

i think you missed the point. Tom's point was that in Nascar, the ONLY advantage one racer has over the other is his ability to race. all the cars are mostly the same.

in paintball, noobs that have no clue, are playing with the new angel mommy just bought them, while experienced players maybe can't afford the new PM6 and are settling with an ion.

tom's pipe dream is to make paintball like nascar. where everyone is on a level playing field and individuals true skill and talent will stand out. he never claimed driving in nascar was easy.

[ProblemKinder]

I think that it's interesting how flame oriented AO has become within the last 3 years. (not excluding myself, I do it too.) I remember when that kind of thing would be laughed at. Good times.

who's getting flamed? when did arguing/debating become flaming?

did I just flame you? I hope not. :cheers:

[punkncat]

i think you missed the point. Tom's point was that in Nascar, the ONLY advantage one racer has over the other is his ability to race. all the cars are mostly the same.

in paintball, noobs that have no clue, are playing with the new angel mommy just bought them, while experienced players maybe can't afford the new PM6 and are settling with an ion.

tom's pipe dream is to make paintball like nascar. where everyone is on a level playing field and individuals true skill and talent will stand out. he never claimed driving in nascar was easy.


I am pretty sure I understood what Tom was saying about his point some time back. Glitzy colors on sponsored players running around in speedball like so many cars...etc. I think the point was lost on many others.

[nathanjones008]

Who cares if he is insulted? If tom doesnt really care why should we? He is a big boy , he can take care of himself.

[Al_Steel]

Most assuredly we have taken a tangent here....but as I enjoy the debate.
I ponder, what is this technological edge you speak of within paintball?
According to PSP rules which are used for many different leagues within the states, you may fire a max of 15.2 (15.4?) BPS ramping after/on the third pull. No runaway, no bounce....etc. So if all markers have to fall under those restrictions, and are checked almost every game by officials, what is this advantage you speak of?

Check out this link and you will see what I'm talking about.

http://www.actionpursuitgames.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=59&Itemid=86

Pleae note the NASCAR reference and the comments from Glenn Palmer.

I guess when it comes down to it, semi-auto ONLY is the only way to go. Manufacturer's should build boards for their markers that are "tournament approved" (1 shot per complete pull of the trigger) that cannot be modified and only those boards should be allowed in tournaments. If they catch you with an aftermarket or modified board.. goodbye. That would be one way of achieving the goal of a completely level playing field.

[Jimmykaboots]

yes i'm replying to my own post....

why were my asterix' edited? are asterix' not allowed? :cuss:

i don't even curse in real life i just quoted someone elses ****.

Hey even though you quoted me I didn't swear either, I just put ****(asteriks only).

[Desega]

who's getting flamed? when did arguing/debating become flaming?

did I just flame you? I hope not. :cheers:
Heated arguements start flames, not so much in this thread but as a whole. <img src="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/14/14_6_1.gif" alt="flamed!" border="0">

[Jimmykaboots]

Nice emotion lol, ALL HAIL TOM! Crazy Fanboi! Have you nothing better to do! Nope, I stay on my computer all day long to buy uber AGG custom parts. Even my goggle strap is annodized.

[ntn4502]

Man, IAO was a looooong time ago :ninja:

:rofl:

[Jimmykaboots]

Man, IAO was a looooong time ago :ninja:

:rofl:

What's IAO?

[ProblemKinder]

Hey even though you quoted me I didn't swear either, I just put ****(asteriks only).

ha! that's exactly my point! why did our asteriks get filtered?

[Rusher360]

Why would anyone post that on an automag forum???? :mad: