Yet Another "Half-baked" Concept

[Warwitch]

So has anyone been following the 'baked' marker trend over on the Nation?

Bake Your Marker (http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=2451839)

It seems that agg kiddies all over are throwing their beloved markers in the oven at exteme temps for 2+ hours in order to change their colors. Ive seen some pretty cool results. And yet the idea seems so completely ridiculous that it makes my head hurt. Seems awful dangerous. :argh:


But without further adiu.....Here are a couple of pics from the thread:

After pic (no before pic)
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b81/dm5frontman12/NewGunAnno.jpg


Before:

http://www.la-asylum.com/images/dm7/2.jpg

After:

http://www.la-asylum.com/images/dm7/3.jpg

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/1373/maksnd0.jpg


some barrels-- all of them were black
http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o175/kainsketch/190000.jpg


cyborg 06 (red/black fade)

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/1026/img5606or4.jpg


So who's going to be the first to do a Tac-one?!

[jade_monkey07]

damn, i tried this and forgot to take everything out of the gun......

[Spider-TW]

Tie-die markers...

We just need a kit to sell. Maybe some pottery glaze ("high tech ceramic coating" of course).

[behemoth]

I thought it was kinda dumb, but that DM looks sex, not gonna lie.

[punkncat]

Actually the temps are low, IIRC it was 2-250 for a couple of hours. As you are removing the soft stuff I cannot see where this would cause any kind of safety issue.

Still pretty silly IMO.

[mpsd]

damn, i tried this and forgot to take everything out of the gun......

You're kidding, right? LOL!!

[jade_monkey07]

You're kidding, right? LOL!!

hahah one would hope so:p

[robnix]

Actually the temps are low, IIRC it was 2-250 for a couple of hours. As you are removing the soft stuff I cannot see where this would cause any kind of safety issue.

Still pretty silly IMO.

That's Celsius, which is 392-482 Farenheit.

[Siress]

The color change, without looking any information up, is probably due to the tiny pockets of dye bursting/cracking/popping open and exposing the dye to air or letting it escape. Another factor could be the dye, itself, scorching; reverting back to it's carbonic base.

Either way, I think it's funny that the markers are taking after the owners and becoming completely baked.

[Pacifist_Farmer]

I wonder what compounds are outgasing from the markers during the baking process. Perhaps these compounds will hang around in the oven and enter any food cooked in them at a later date. MMMm sounds good.

[jade_monkey07]

sadly iv been home sick for 2 weeks and im bored as hell, i threw in my stock tac barrel and one of 6 evil driver barrels i have just to see what happens :tard:

[ThePixelGuru]

Wow, who knew you could do that... Still, I'd be afraid to try it with my nice expensive gear. Who thought of that? ...And why?

[Old School 626]

This just in: Introducing the PAAS marker coloring kit! ==> HERE! (http://www.paaseastereggs.com/products.htm)

[Warwitch]

The details and possible problems are pretty thoroughly discussed in the linked thread. Of course you will have to sort through the 40+ pages of "omfg!!!!11" in order to find the good stuff. Several of the larger ano guys have chimed in their .02 (for what thats worth, you know they hate competition!)

And no doubt some of the results have been really sweet. I love that 'Borg. And the DM aint too shabby either.

[jade_monkey07]

so far some of them have been really sweet
blues seem to turn purple ish
reds turn pink
black turns brown or nice coppers
silver doesnt change
dont think anyone has tried green stuff yet

[anomoly40]

I can't wait until one of them throws the gun in, Tank, hopper and all.

I hear lawsuit.

[jade_monkey07]

one kid threw his invert mini in and forgot that there was a magnet imbeded in the frame that controlled the HAL sensor(or something like that) now his gun doesnt work... :rofl: Roflmao

[going_home]

Leave it to PBN to come up with something :tard: like that.
I think we would actually be disappointed if they didnt come up with something :tard: once in a while, thus proving they are what we thought they were.

[jade_monkey07]

I honestly would like to know how this came up in the first place...was someone really mad at his marker or something? some fat guy really hungry? "are you gonna eat that? uh.. mr. Griffin thats a stapler. Waaannnaa split it?" ...lmfao

[Mikey B]

I honestly would like to know how this came up in the first place...was someone really mad at his marker or something? some fat guy really hungry? "are you gonna eat that? uh.. mr. Griffin thats a stapler. Waaannnaa split it?" ...lmfao


Haha, I was just thinking that. :cheers:

[SR_matt]

it probably came from people leaving ther guns in their cars during the summer and the ano slightly shanging over time so some one thought "hmmm i could do it faster"

there is not really anything that will get messed up as long as you remove all the internals and electronics. worst that could happen is you could strip threads a little easier because you would temper the metal down a little but the tolerances should not get messed up at all

-matt

[jade_monkey07]

So heres my attempt at it
i used a stock tac-one barrel that had no change

and an evil driver barrel seen here
<a href="http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=7051245" target="_blank"><img src="http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/11/31303065631.jpg" alt="Click to enlarge."></a>

it now has a brownish orange tint to it
<a href="http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=7243283" target="_blank"><img src="http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/12/34016130228.jpg" alt="Click to enlarge."></a>

and if you look at it in the right light and angle its got a "cracked" sparkle to it
<a href="http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=7243282" target="_blank"><img src="http://img2.putfile.com/thumb/12/34016130273.jpg" alt="Click to enlarge."></a>

its more orange then the pictures show

[senghing27]

Well. I'm bored....

So I decided to go around my room looking for random paintball parts that i dont care for much.

Found some random silver feedneck, two cci 12 gram changer, one red/silver wash, and one blue/black wash. Also found a red 10 round feed tube. And last but not least, I went sharpie crazy on my twist-lock boomy. Everything is in the oven at 450*F and it's going to sit there for about 2 hours while I go play Team fortress 2 and study a bit for my math final.

[trethompson2]

So what do you think would happen with polished parts?

[senghing27]

$100 bill will be growing from the polished parts

[jade_monkey07]

lol nothing happend to the polished parts at all, except the cracked sparkly look

[jade_monkey07]

check back every once in a while my evil driver only took 30-45 min to do, i just left it in to see if it would get much lighter


Well. I'm bored....

So I decided to go around my room looking for random paintball parts that i dont care for much.

Found some random silver feedneck, two cci 12 gram changer, one red/silver wash, and one blue/black wash. Also found a red 10 round feed tube. And last but not least, I went sharpie crazy on my twist-lock boomy. Everything is in the oven at 450*F and it's going to sit there for about 2 hours while I go play Team fortress 2 and study a bit for my math final.

[Zone Drifter]

You know what? I'm gonna try it on some parts that I had planned on getting anodized anyhow. I mean, if I don't like the outcome, ano can fix it, right?

[Lomarandil]

Now, may just be me, and I never did read that PBN thread.. But I'd be worried about parts which are holding back high pressure (ie body) being weakened by this process. Anyone with better knowledge of the strength of 6061 who can comment on that?
Lo

Although, I have to say it looks dang sweet. I always wanted that bronzish color.

[SR_matt]

the pieces that hold back pressure dont have to be very thick at all, and if they do get weakened it wont have a catastrophic failure. a friend tried to get some cocker bodies machined from scratch that were very light and milled, the bodies came out to thin in some places and they got small tiny leaks in them nothing very dangerous.

this process if anything might make the reservoirs be stronger since by lowering the temper of the metal they can move more before breaking

-matt

[anomoly40]

Does it change the feel of the surface of the gun? I was wondering because on that barrel it has that "crackle look", and that might cause orings to wear faster.

Just a thought.

[jade_monkey07]

Does it change the feel of the surface of the gun? I was wondering because on that barrel it has that "crackle look", and that might cause orings to wear faster.

Just a thought.

nope the surface still feels the same as before

[maniacmechanic]

might go good for the guys in the marker of the month club (buying the) , But I sure ain't throwin my Karta in no oven , I'll spend the money on anno

[luke]

I really don't think this will hurt your marker (assuming it is disassembled first :p ). All the stuff I powder coat gets baked at 400 degrees for 15 minutes, then 20 minutes at 300 degrees. After pre heating and cool down the parts are heated for around 1.5 hrs. I don't see why a lower temperature for longer would be a problem, but then again I'm not a metallurgist...

[Lomarandil]

Very true! In fact, Duracoating involves baking around those temperatures also.. I skimped out and put it in my car on a hot day... LOL

I'm right on the verge of considering it for my DM3.. worst comes to worst, I'll pick up another and have a whole set of replacement internals.

Although I'm reading to see what color it'd turn first.. red right now.. bleh.. Hopefully bronze, would have to see.
Lo

[Zone Drifter]

I threw this in for 2 hours at 420ºF. Doesnt mean much to me, so it's my test dummy. :tard:

Before:
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d51/Fexus/lpr.jpg

After:
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d51/Fexus/lpr1.jpg

As you can see (maybe not as well as I can in person...) the gloss red turned sparkly redish/pink. Color changes will differ on products, but my conclusion is this: Neat trick, kinda like those hotwheels cars that changed with hot and cold water, but not THAT big of a deal. Fun to do with stuff you don't care worlds about though. So, on that note... maybe i'll throw a few more parts in just for s***ts and giggles.

[senghing27]

Ok. So 4 hours, and 450*F later...

Before pics...

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g149/27senghing/baked001.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g149/27senghing/baked002.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g149/27senghing/baked003.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g149/27senghing/baked004.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g149/27senghing/baked005.jpg

During

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g149/27senghing/baked007.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g149/27senghing/baked008.jpg

[senghing27]

After

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g149/27senghing/baked009.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g149/27senghing/baked010.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g149/27senghing/baked011.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g149/27senghing/baked013.jpg

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g149/27senghing/baked014.jpg

Ok. So well the feel is really different. Instead of the glossy texture, it's still smooth, but it seems to grip better.

Also, The red/silver wash seemed to came out the best. It came out as a sparkley burnt orange and creamsicle scheme which looks oh so sexy. The blue and black came out with a more gun metal purple and navy blue.

The red came out as copperish pink and looks fugly IMO.I mean if i had a girlfriend or something that wanted to paintball, then it could be a fine color. It's like a pink tinted penny.

Also, lastly, the Dye boomy I threw in. It went a couple shades lighter. And the sharpie doodling I put on it gave it a "tatoo"esque finish and look.

If i can pick up a cheap red/silver phantom,.I would totally throw it in the oven.

So Am I pleased by the results? I am, My barrel looks a tad better, and this orange creamsicle is so nice to look at.

And the silver stayed silver. No change there.

[Siress]

may want to check that the front piece on the barrel didn't shift out of center.

[senghing27]

Nope, its still good.

Turns out I melted all the glue away... Now I have a 2 piece barrel. :spit_take

[Zone Drifter]

Nope, its still good.

Turns out I melted all the glue away... Now I have a 2 piece barrel. :spit_takeLol, well nice. I might just add another 2 hours to what I currently have in the oven based on your results. I'm not one to follow fads that have potential to ruin parts, but screw it. Oh, and what im currently baking... It's a surprise, and I'm not sure is anyone was crazy enough to just throw this kind of money into an oven. >.> However, I acquired this part free, and anything that I decide to bake I certainly know the consequences. I'm not going to feel completely bad if i get more than i bargained for, but someone has to be the example i guess.

[senghing27]

You threw an Ion in there didnt you? You do know that plastic melts right???

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[SR_matt]

^^ that might be the point :p

-matt

[p8ntbal4me]

Hmmm,...

this is a new developement indeed.

I got a Shark Attack X-Mag somewhere in my closet,.....

,.. Lets see what craziness THAT turns at 450 degrees :wow:

~ P8nt

[Zone Drifter]

You threw an Ion in there didnt you? You do know that plastic melts right???

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: XD First off... why would I even OWN an ion? I'd buy a cheap spyder before an Ion anyday... OOOOoooo, theres an idea. Spyders always can use a new paint job. XD

But in any case, if you MUST know... I threw in an intelliframe that i had lying unused >.> that and maybe a valve o.o; all of those need new ano anyway, so this is just a way of me taking one for the team, in case anyone else is crazy enough to do an X valve. I know it probably voids the warranty, but whatever. It's not like it's the only one I own, it just happens to be the only USED one that I own...

[Lomarandil]

If that comes out the nice bronzish color some of the blacks have been.. ooh baby..

Lo

[Zone Drifter]

Well, After an hour in the oven i looked at the parts and noticed not a single hint of discoloration. The x valve, ule body and intelliframe all stayed black. I decided to give it a rest and take the parts out. One good thing though, is that baking my parts sure cleaned them up real nice! XD

[trevorjk]

Well, After an hour in the oven i looked at the parts and noticed not a single hint of discoloration. The x valve, ule body and intelliframe all stayed black. I decided to give it a rest and take the parts out. One good thing though, is that baking my parts sure cleaned them up real nice! XD


can we tell our wives/girlfriends that we now now how to cook? :rofl:

[Rudz]

Well, After an hour in the oven i looked at the parts and noticed not a single hint of discoloration. The x valve, ule body and intelliframe all stayed black. I decided to give it a rest and take the parts out. One good thing though, is that baking my parts sure cleaned them up real nice! XD


so basically that this does not work for agd products, because...quality? lol :hail:

[ProblemKinder]

the pieces that hold back pressure dont have to be very thick at all, and if they do get weakened it wont have a catastrophic failure. a friend tried to get some cocker bodies machined from scratch that were very light and milled, the bodies came out to thin in some places and they got small tiny leaks in them nothing very dangerous.

this process if anything might make the reservoirs be stronger since by lowering the temper of the metal they can move more before breaking

-matt

i agree, it may actually make the material slightly more ductile, reducing the chances of any kind of brittle fracture. not that the chances of brittle fracture are any higher than like one in a million. but whatever. i think it's safe.

then again, i could be wrong.

[LegumeOfTerror]

im willing to bet some kid was trying to melt loc-tite in some threading and ended up with this. pretty neat though.

[Warwitch]

Well, After an hour in the oven i looked at the parts and noticed not a single hint of discoloration. The x valve, ule body and intelliframe all stayed black. I decided to give it a rest and take the parts out. One good thing though, is that baking my parts sure cleaned them up real nice! XD



Im guessing that better alum and better ano will require longer baking times. I base this theory on absolutely nothing.

[House of Daggers]

I'll throw in my green Spyder some time and see how that comes out. And if it looks like crap, its just a Spyder.

I can only think of one thing going wrong with the barrels. It may mess with how smooth the bore is.

[Zone Drifter]

Im guessing that better alum and better ano will require longer baking times. I base this theory on absolutely nothing.
True story there. I don't think i'll bother with my mag stuff anymore though. I would much rather pay to get the ano and have a nice smooth finish. Baking them tends to dry out the finish, making it less smooth. (duh)


so basically that this does not work for agd products, because...quality? lol
EXACTLY what I thought when I took them out of the oven. ;)

I have a black bushmaster coming in the mail that I won cheap off ebay, so I might throw that in and see what happens. I mean, if AGD stuff doesnt bake well, then I'm not going to even try. Quality counts.

[luke]

so basically that this does not work for agd products, because...quality? lol :hail:

Whos to say that all grades of aluminum react the same after they are heated... ;)

[jade_monkey07]

the only notable diffirence with my stock tac barrel was in the threads it turned a dark redish but that was after 3 hours :p

Whos to say that all grades of aluminum react the same after they are heated... ;)

[snoopay700]

Im guessing that better alum and better ano will require longer baking times. I base this theory on absolutely nothing.
Those are always the best theories, like my theory that it didn't change because of the use of babie blood in AGD products (why do you think the red x-valves are harder to find, those have EXTRA blood).

Honestly though, i don't see why anyone would do this with something they paid a lot of money for, like that ego in the pbnation thread.

[SkinnyHare]

i poked through that entire thread and only found a handful that looked good. im not about to turn one of my classic RTs into a burnt offering to the paintball gods. however, i did find this little gem on page 2.

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/6631/hateongardnerac2.jpg

[RRfireblade]

Hmm , makes all your new stuff look old and worn out. Cool. :confused:

I'd have to say it's going to weaken the metal significantly , especially if allowed to cool 'slowly' back to room temperature.

I'm basing this on the fact that all types of tempering involves the opposite process. Also , Cryo treating has shown to also have significant effects of strengthening metal , particularly Alu. Again , precisely the oppose of baking. :cool:

Seems like it should kill the ALU quite nicely. :)

IMO.

[BAZOOKA_Boy]

that and the fact that it removes any colorfastness to the dyes, so as soon as you play all summer with one of your guns, it may fade from brown to pee green to clear eventually, very bad idea, aside from the fact that you are harming the actual gun itself.

[thefool]

its just how they are doing it thats bad. I mean i seal parts in an autoclave, but its for 10-20 minutes, and with high pressure steam, it does a really good job of sealing parts without a lot of the detrimental effects associated with other types of sealing.

On the other hand the effects they are getting are things that would be considered defective if received back from anno.

[electriceel125]

so basically that this does not work for agd products, because...quality? lol :hail:



I tried this on a few spart parts things and the black they use will not change colors. At least it didnt for me at 450 at up to 6 hours. ;)

[Sk8ermog]

Dude this is an old idea that I had back in the day. I'm talking mid 90s! lol I found out how anno works so I thought that if I heated the anno up then the pores of the metal would expand and lighten up or something. So I took my old tippmann 68carbin and tossed it on the BBQ for about 45 minutes and it turned red. I took everything out except the rubber dentent which melted to the body. lol worked out pretty good and made it a nice red. Check it out.

http://www.rossgunniv.com/PaintballCollection/redpackage.jpg