Logic UMF and V1 Alpha woes

[MANN]

So I am tring to make small/light setup for those days I dont feel like lugging aroud the xmag. I want an am/mm length rail, and would really like to use my umf (as it is collecting dust right now)

My question to anyone is have you found a foregrip to fit in front of the umf. I know about extenders (and have a few), but I would much rather go without one.

My ideas thus far:

- 15% RPG vert asa (failed) I knew it would tho. I thought about having it turned down, but then I will have trouble using my cp mini for the gas thru (I am not running air through it tho)

-dw cf foregrip (failed) it is the same diameter as a regular vert asa. I wanted to turn the top down, but am hesitant to because it is "ULE", and has holes drilled in it. (IE I can only turn it down ~ .2" before I hit a screw hole.

- have the front of the logic umf slightly milled to allow the foregrip to fit further back. (not sure how that will turn out yet.

Anywho has anyone else done this successfully?

Thanks

[wetwrks]

How about milling a channel (on the foregrip/asa) where the trigger guard would sit instead of reducing the size all the way around?

[trevorjk]

got a Shocker NXT style vert ASA handy ;)

[MANN]

the area in front of the frame is .65"

my asa is 1"

Now that I have actually measured I think it will be close to impossible

[MANN]

got a Shocker NXT style vert ASA handy ;)

have you done this successfully? (hoping you have pics)

[211]

have a foregrip length of .60" aluminum lathed in whatever design you want, then tap the top for a bolt
then it would fit, and youd have a unique foregrip

[wetwrks]

You could try one of these:

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w214/wetwrks/P1010002-8.jpg

[Madmarx]

drill an extra hole in your rail

if you have a dw cf grip with wings i think it'll work fine

[MANN]

drill an extra hole in your rail

if you have a dw cf grip with wings i think it'll work fine

It will still stick out past the front end of the rail. :(

[mostpeople]

It will still stick out past the front end of the rail. :(

yeah I mann, I think you got no dice on this one

[MANN]

I think if I use a wave rail I will still only have ~ .78" This is closer than .65, but still far from 1.0

thanks for the idea wat, but I am not a huge fan of that foregrip.

[Madmarx]

It will still stick out past the front end of the rail. :(

well you can't have everything lol
yeah it won't look perfect but it'll work
it would look a little better milling a little off the front top edge of the umf on a 15* angle maybe

[MANN]

it would look a little better milling a little off the front top edge of the umf on a 15* angle maybe

LOL. yeah I know.

[Madmarx]

visuals for others

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l74/MadMarx1/th_umfgrip004.jpg (http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l74/MadMarx1/umfgrip004.jpg)http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l74/MadMarx1/th_umfgrip003.jpg (http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l74/MadMarx1/umfgrip003.jpg)
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l74/MadMarx1/th_umfgrip002.jpg (http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l74/MadMarx1/umfgrip002.jpg)http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l74/MadMarx1/th_umfgrip001.jpg (http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l74/MadMarx1/umfgrip001.jpg)

[mostpeople]

Luke does some awesome work, for the right price he might do a 1 off modificaton of the triggerguard on the UMF for ya

[MANN]

thanks mark. That is exactly my problem.

[MANN]

Luke does some awesome work, for the right price he might do a 1 off modificaton of the triggerguard on the UMF for ya

That is who I am hoping to send it to. I was wanting to find a solution before sending it his way if possible.

[mostpeople]

What about a logic vert frame Mann?

it might fit better with a similar look, and 2 be more even with the bottom of the gas through..

just a thought!

[mostpeople]

My only other solution is to get a slug rail.. there are some out there.. and get it milled the way you want it?

Then get an ULE body, and cut it like a pariah, just a little longer..

[mostpeople]

*but that would have to seriously be a 'dream' marker for that kinda $/work.

[MANN]

I had one of those, and sold it. That and the chimera while both nice frames are a little too tall and skinny for my liking. I would switch to the trition, but feel it wont fit all of the internals that are going in it. :ninja:

[MANN]

My only other solution is to get a slug rail.. there are some out there.. and get it milled the way you want it?

Then get an ULE body, and cut it like a pariah, just a little longer..

that has been taken into consideration.

[mostpeople]

I had one of those, and sold it. That and the chimera while both nice frames are a little too tall and skinny for my liking. I would switch to the trition, but feel it wont fit all of the internals that are going in it. :ninja:


uh oh

sleeper EP?

Have you considered using the palmers stab as your foregrip like pneumaggers sleeper? That frees up room, while allowing you to use a smaller frame

[MANN]

sleeper pneumag. the air will go through the bottom of the frame from a cp asa.

I am tring to also keep this marker extremely light. I would like it to be lighter than my mini when finished. My mini weighs a little over 2 lbs (maybe 34 oz)

from a cp pro

like this
http://www.e-paintball.com/product.php?productid=18924

[Tunaman]

I hate to say it, but this is what happens when manufacturers make stuff that doesn't work with the AGD spec. This problem was evident years ago with the first Intelliframes. The trigger guard front support is too far forward so the forgrip/expansion chamber would hit. AGD corrected this in the new style intelliframes. Now I know these are custom frames so I ain't bashing anyone, but maybe Logic has a foregrip/vert asa that would fit? Or maybe it was purposely designed to be used without a foregrip?

[mostpeople]

Im going to vote for custom rail milling then, as well as custom cut ULE

[MANN]

but maybe Logic has a foregrip/vert asa that would fit? Or maybe it was purposely designed to be used without a foregrip?

I think it was designed more for the RT length rails. I am tring to steer away from the length if I can.

[trevorjk]

have you done this successfully? (hoping you have pics)

waiting for classic rail :(

[warbeak2099]

I think it was designed more for the RT length rails. I am tring to steer away from the length if I can.

You could have an RTP rail cut down to almost AM/MM length with just enough room for a foregrip. Luke could do that.

[BigEvil]

Mann, if you arent going to run air through the foregrip, see about milling a channel into the back of the 15* asa to allow it to 'go over' a small portion of the UMF trigger guard.

There probably isnt an "out of the box" solution for you.

:cheers:


***EDIT***
How about getting one of those phantom vertical asas and mounting it to the trigger guard of the umf? Thats how they mount them on the phantom.


http://www.wevopaintball.com/images/pinkblkcciphantomsmokeparts.jpg

[going_home]

I hate to say it, but this is what happens when manufacturers make stuff that doesn't work with the AGD spec. This problem was evident years ago with the first Intelliframes. The trigger guard front support is too far forward so the forgrip/expansion chamber would hit. AGD corrected this in the new style intelliframes. Now I know these are custom frames so I ain't bashing anyone, but maybe Logic has a foregrip/vert asa that would fit? Or maybe it was purposely designed to be used without a foregrip?

The Logic UMF's were designed for use with the longer RT Pro style rails.

;)

[CoolHand]

I hate to say it, but this is what happens when manufacturers make stuff that doesn't work with the AGD spec. This problem was evident years ago with the first Intelliframes. The trigger guard front support is too far forward so the forgrip/expansion chamber would hit. AGD corrected this in the new style intelliframes. Now I know these are custom frames so I ain't bashing anyone, but maybe Logic has a foregrip/vert asa that would fit? Or maybe it was purposely designed to be used without a foregrip?

Not exactly, it was purposely built to be used on RTP platform rails. People kept asking for more finger room, but you can't make a bigger trigger guard and still keep the foregrip on a classic rail. I asked people here (even did a poll) when I was designing the UMF which they would rather have, compatibility with classic rails, or a bigger trigger guard, and they chose the bigger trigger guard.

It's not like I designed the thing and accidentally made the trigger guard too big, it was a conscious decision to deviate from the standard AGD trigger guard shape. With the advent of the super light RTP rails that guys (me included) were making, and the near extinction of twistlock bodies, I thought maybe it was time to see if folks could live without 100% backwards compatibility.

I (and most everyone else at the time) knew going in that the UMF was going to sacrifice some of the Mag's inherent interchangeability in exchange for some new features they really wanted.

As the saying goes, "There ain't no free lunches." :ninja:


The Logic UMF's were designed for use with the longer RT Pro style rails.

;)

Yeah, what he said.

MANN - The easy solution to your problem is to go with an RTP rail of some sort. The super ULE RTP rails that I used to do (and might do again) weighed only 2.4 ozs, which is the same as that Alpha you're wanting to use.

The Alpha is prettier, I'll not argue that, but there's only so much you can do.

Another, less easy solution, is to pick up a Phantom ASA like BE suggested and have Luke hang it off the trigger guard for you. I've done this a time or two myself (even on one of the UEF's), so I know it's possible, and it doesn't look bad at all. You just see two button head screws from the inside of the trigger guard. No big.

:cheers:

[MANN]

MANN - The easy solution to your problem is to go with an RTP rail of some sort. The super ULE RTP rails that I used to do (and might do again) weighed only 2.4 ozs, which is the same as that Alpha you're wanting to use.

The Alpha is prettier, I'll not argue that, but there's only so much you can do.


I really like the look of the alpha. I am now giving up on am/mm rails, and looking to do something custom. Thanks for the weight info.

[going_home]

I had an AM/MM rail once that someone had milled a slot into, where the foregrip screw goes.
It worked with a UMF. It did hang past the end of the rail about an 1/8th but it didnt look bad at all.

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l74/MadMarx1/umfgrip002.jpg


Shown in Marks pic. (his doesnt have the slot milled in it though)

;)

[MANN]

but it didnt look bad at all.

hmmm. I dont think it will look bad, but It will defiently not look sexy.

[going_home]

hmmm. I dont think it will look bad, but It will defiently not look sexy.

One thing though, his pic is showing a DW foregrip made for an RT Pro rail, not one made for an AM/MM rail. So its not going to look as good as a foregrip made for the rail.

;)