What! no more E-mags/X-mags?

[Redarms]

I recently called AGD and asked when they would be making custom E-mags again.
I asked cause they are making RT's again so I did not think it was too out of reach.... I was wrong. :( I was told that AGD will no longer be making any E-mags/X-mags. Why?
Well I guess its back to the Spyder-mag search, or consider the RT.
Any one out there thinking of selling there E-mag/X-mag. Please let me know or even a spyder-mag.

[cyrus-the-virus]

dude.... bit late to the show? AGD has not made e-mags in years.

SP Issues them a C&D letter a while back, end of story.

[Tao]

Roman told me they DID plan to make emags again, they are just out of battery housings and pc boards. He didn't know when they would order more.

[maniacmechanic]

Tuna can still build you one

[neppo1345]

dude.... bit late to the show? AGD has not made e-mags in years.

SP Issues them a C&D letter a while back, end of story.

Never any C&D letter issued.

Tom cut his losses on his own.

[the1antichrist]

first. theres was no c&d letter by SP. second, there will be no more Emags. expecting a new emag in the future is like waiting for the second coming of christ. Aint gonna happen. thanks Snoopay, i love your quote. ;)

[angrysasquatch]

Like mechanic said, Tuna can still build you one. Why would AGD make more, faced with possible litigation, and the fact that their current stock still hasn't sold out?

[maniacmechanic]

I don't think AGD can build E Mags from stock parts anymore ; I think Tuna bought 'em all

[ta2maki]

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Guys,

To set the record straight:

We were contacted by SP about potential violations under their previous patent on the shocker. This was not the patent they ended up sueing everyone on. This told us we were not immune in the long run.

We were told by high level individuals in the company that they didn't see anyone that they believed was not in violation of their patents.

We were never contacted about violations under the latest patent that everyone else was sued for but we figured we were on the list.

When it came time to think about revamping the emag there were several considerations:
The investment in a new design
Once we commited to a new design and the money, if we were sued it would mean we would have to commit to a license.
We didnt have the money to do both the license and the revamp.
The odds of coming up with a succesful product that could cover the costs of the development and the license were low.
Overall money risk against likelyhood of success we determined was not worth the risk reward ratio.

Thats why we didn't go on to make another Emag. RIP.

AGD

[KevinA]

I know that I am about to sound really dumb but... I never knew why all there was all the hostility towards SP till just now. :tard: I'm glad I didn't get that Shocker.

[Sumthinwicked]

traded unwillingly my emag for a shocker for my team then about 4 months later i said screw it and traded my shocker for one of my old longbows they can have there batteries when im in the rail shootin em down .....

[TnDeathInc]

first. theres was no c&d letter by SP. second, there will be no more Emags. expecting a new emag in the future is like waiting for the second coming of christ. Aint gonna happen. thanks Snoopay, i love your quote. ;)


i love the faithless, it comes off as so intelligent and arrogant, thanks for the giggle.

[questionful]

i love the faithless, it comes off as so intelligent and arrogant, thanks for the giggle.
some call it faithless, some call it realistic. Just make (or have made) an e-pneu mag.

[Ruler_Mark]

You should get your hands on one before they all dissapear.

mm /time to show off

http://www.modmymag.com/images/euro/IMG_0519.jpg

[questionful]

Oh god euros are hot.

[Looper]

Oh god euros are hot.

Here ya go... Some more to look at... My Euro Warp
:cheers:


http://www.mcarterbrown.com/gallery/data/816/medium/Euro_XMag_01.jpg
http://www.mcarterbrown.com/gallery/data/816/medium/Euro_XMag_02.jpg

[Ruler_Mark]

Q-Euro...


<a href="http://www.modmymag.com/images/euro/IMG_0511.jpg"><img src="http://www.modmymag.com/images/euro/IMG_0511.jpg" width="600"></img></a>

<a href="http://www.modmymag.com/images/euro/IMG_0512.jpg"><img src="http://www.modmymag.com/images/euro/IMG_0512.jpg" width="600"></img></a>

[trevorjk]

i know where 2 X-mags can be bought for a pretty penny :ninja:

[Redarms]

Roman told me they DID plan to make emags again, they are just out of battery housings and pc boards. He didn't know when they would order more.
when was this cause I called this week. I just thought that they were going to make them cause on the AGD web site there is still a description on there and no red letters saying that they will no longer be made.... thats what i get for making an assumtion

[wetwrks]

You should get your hands on one before they all dissapear.

mm /time to show off

http://www.modmymag.com/images/euro/IMG_0519.jpg

That is just hot. :hail:

[Redarms]

i know where 2 X-mags can be bought for a pretty penny :ninja:
Im still in the market....for now , let me know what you can im always looking. :cheers:

[Redarms]

dude.... bit late to the show? AGD has not made e-mags in years.

SP Issues them a C&D letter a while back, end of story.
sorry i've been on mars, in a cave with my fingers in ears...... :rofl:

[Redarms]

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wow i had no idea, i only heard hear say and nothing really concrete, i guess its wrong for me to have a SP barrel on my 68 classic mag. ...... well then i guess im looking for a new barrel too. :mad:

[trevorjk]

Im still in the market....for now , let me know what you can im always looking. :cheers:

by pretty penny i meant, they are for sale, but they dont mind holding onto the guns. so unless your offering at least 4 digits i wouldnt expect them going anywhere. one is clear to pewter to black fade anno which is a factory defect anno. almost 2 tone. and the other is purple :)


ill see if i can get pics sometime this upcoming week

[Jaan]

i love the faithless, it comes off as so intelligent and arrogant, thanks for the giggle.Are you suggesting that if we all pray really hard, they'll be some sort of E-Mag rapture?

Heyyyy...I just thought of something...maybe if we sacrifice a goat to Hephaestus he'll make us some E-Mags. he did a pretty good job with Zeus' lightning bolts...

[the1antichrist]

wow i had no idea, i only heard hear say and nothing really concrete, i guess its wrong for me to have a SP barrel on my 68 classic mag. ...... well then i guess im looking for a new barrel too. :mad:

theres no need to get rid of your SP stuff. the reason you have it is prolly cause it works well and you like it. dont let this AGD vs SP B.S. keep you from owning well built and well performing paintball gear.

[the1antichrist]

Are you suggesting that if we all pray really hard, they'll be some sort of E-Mag rapture?

Heyyyy...I just thought of something...maybe if we sacrifice a goat to Hephaestus he'll make us some E-Mags. he did a pretty good job with Zeus' lightning bolts...

:rofl: :headbang:

[the1antichrist]

i love the faithless, it comes off as so intelligent and arrogant, thanks for the giggle.

tell you what. you go ahead and hold your breath for that second coming, christ or a new Emag, we'll see what happens. :sleeping:

[TnDeathInc]

Ruler, you still getting that uncut cut up? or leaving as is? EIther way get it colored. I still need to send off my stuff to you, i think it may be the board.

[TnDeathInc]

Here is the latest emag i built, took about a year to get all the parts i wanted including waiting 4 months for a SM obirum kit. I will updae as sson as it come back from gruntbull, its name will be the biohazard

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l308/hookkick13/DSC09873.jpg

[TnDeathInc]

Are you suggesting that if we all pray really hard, they'll be some sort of E-Mag rapture?

Heyyyy...I just thought of something...maybe if we sacrifice a goat to Hephaestus he'll make us some E-Mags. he did a pretty good job with Zeus' lightning bolts...


it wasnt directed at AGD. i do think that dead goats could help on that front. EMAGs or the cuddly kittens gets thrown off the bridge. :headbang:

[Tao]

when was this cause I called this week. I just thought that they were going to make them cause on the AGD web site there is still a description on there and no red letters saying that they will no longer be made.... thats what i get for making an assumtion

It was several months ago. It seems now they aren't listed in the online store though...

[Tao]

theres no need to get rid of your SP stuff. the reason you have it is prolly cause it works well and you like it. dont let this AGD vs SP B.S. keep you from owning well built and well performing paintball gear.

Except now adays it will keep you from owning poor quality crap made by SP now adays. (And no I am not saying this out of bias)

[ProblemKinder]

theres no need to get rid of your SP stuff. the reason you have it is prolly cause it works well and you like it. dont let this AGD vs SP B.S. keep you from owning well built and well performing paintball gear.

haha, he said "quality" and "SP" in the same sentence. :rofl:

[Tao]

haha, he said "quality" and "SP" in the same sentence. :rofl:


Well Smart parts had decent stuff...until they got lazy and decided to win by law suit rather than compete.

[the1antichrist]

it really sad. all this bias bull. oh well. hopefully there are still open minded people out there.
you all have to realize that this isnt just a sport. paintball is a freakin buisness. and sometimes buisness sucks for the little guy. SP does make quality stuff. but how would you all know? your so full of hate that you dont buy or use their equipment. its like saying that a certain car company sucks and their parts are awful when you dont even drive one. look how many teams use the Shocker, and have been using it since it was released in 03. you just hate because you were told to by other AGD only players. you talk about not being bias? come on.

[joelbird]

it really sad. all this bias bull. oh well. hopefully there are still open minded people out there.
you all have to realize that this isnt just a sport. paintball is a freakin buisness. and sometimes buisness sucks for the little guy. SP does make quality stuff. but how would you all know? your so full of hate that you dont buy or use their equipment. its like saying that a certain car company sucks and their parts are awful when you dont even drive one. look how many teams use the Shocker, and have been using it since it was released in 03. you just hate because you were told to by other AGD only players. you talk about not being bias? come on.

welcome to AUTOMAGS.ORG!!!! I think we reserve the right to be bias since the name is on the address.

[maniacmechanic]

it really sad. all this bias bull. oh well. hopefully there are still open minded people out there.
you all have to realize that this isnt just a sport. paintball is a freakin buisness. and sometimes buisness sucks for the little guy. SP does make quality stuff. but how would you all know? your so full of hate that you dont buy or use their equipment. its like saying that a certain car company sucks and their parts are awful when you dont even drive one. look how many teams use the Shocker, and have been using it since it was released in 03. you just hate because you were told to by other AGD only players. you talk about not being bias? come on.

the color ; most of the time this is due to sponserships by SP
& personally most of the guys that I know had problems with shockers & have switched to ego's
Really it is mostly due to quality , I still shoot freak barrels & used to use Max Flo regs , but they quit making the good ones( 3rd gen) & trying to get a HP spring from them is like pulling teeth
& a lot of it is thier general bussiness practices , flood the market with cheep stuff because all but the hardcore are going to throw it in the closet after 3 or 4 months anyway
& like joelbird said this is AO do you expect us to support other marker brands , i'm sure they have thier own forums

[the1antichrist]

wow i had no idea, i only heard hear say and nothing really concrete, i guess its wrong for me to have a SP barrel on my 68 classic mag. ...... well then i guess im looking for a new barrel too. :mad:
this was the quote that started this. so im sorry for it getting out of hand, i see no reason for this guy to stop using a barrel that has performed well for hi just cause he just learned that SP was a law suit happy company. if he never found out about the whole thing he wouldnt think twice about using his barrel. but oh well. sorry.

[Silverback]

the color ; most of the time this is due to sponserships by SP
& personally most of the guys that I know had problems with shockers & have switched to ego's
Really it is mostly due to quality , I still shoot freak barrels & used to use Max Flo regs , but they quit making the good ones( 3rd gen) & trying to get a HP spring from them is like pulling teeth
& a lot of it is thier general bussiness practices , flood the market with cheep stuff because all but the hardcore are going to throw it in the closet after 3 or 4 months anyway
& like joelbird said this is AO do you expect us to support other marker brands , i'm sure they have thier own forums

Ah Gentlemen, and Ladies,

I have been shooting a MAG of one variety or other since 1993. I STILL SHOOT AUTOMAGS, (a classic, RT Pro, and an E-Mag) I love em, and don't see me getting rid of any of them.

I ALSO SHOOT A SHOCKER NXT, which I also love and don't plan on getting rid of. It is also a QUALITY marker that has never let me down on the field.

Do I like what SP did to the paintball industry? :cuss: NO! It was childish, and I don't really think SP will recoup their legal fees anytime soon, that's why they are flooding the market with INEXPENSIVE but quality markers, to try an regain some funds from the legal battles.
I DON'T LIKE the Gardner brothers, I've played against them, and their even more childish on the field, than in business; BUT THEY MAKE A QUALITY PRODUCT!

So since I want dependable quality on the field with me, I shoot AIRGUN DESIGNS markers, an SP SHOCKER NXT, and a LINE SI BUSHMASTER DELUXE (pump).

I also use nothing but DYE Ultralite barrels on ALL my markers, because THEY ARE THE BEST BARREL I'VE EVER USED! But don't even ask me what I think of Dave Youngblood....

[the1antichrist]

a friend of mine i work with bought a shocker in '03. the first of the new shockers. 5 1/2 years later it is still throwing paint down field. my rt pro i bought 4 years ago. until i sold it last week, it also still threw paint down field. neither of them have needed any work besides maintaining a well lubed marker. hmmm...

[TnDeathInc]

a friend of mine i work with bought a shocker in '03. the first of the new shockers. 5 1/2 years later it is still throwing paint down field. my rt pro i bought 4 years ago. until i sold it last week, it also still threw paint down field. neither of them have needed any work besides maintaining a well lubed marker. hmmm...

there are still yugos and pintos on the road, but they are not marked for being "quality"....next point?

[breg]

Here is the dilemma as I see it:
No one is going to admit that their marker is not as good as the next. It is just like the whole Chevy v. Ford thing. Both make competent cars and both make crappy cars. One is not better than the other. It is all personal preference.
SP can make a fine gun. Too bad their business practices are about as mean spirited as you can get.
Now, kids, adults, boys and girls... we are going to have to admit that every paint ball gun has high and low points. All of them. Even if it is just price.
But, the one thing that other companies have that AGD doesn't is new products. I am sorry. And, before you start on me, I am an AGD supporter. I really am. You do not say something like that calmly and with out malice if you are not.
i want to see AGD design a new maker so very badly. I know that SP has some wild patent that grants them a thousand dollars every time someone thinks of air currents and paint at the same time, and that is sad, but oh well.
I would love a new mechanical marker, and official pneumatic mag or something else from the codex of Leonardo. Hell, why not put their minds into the barrel industry, or why not bring back the mighty mighty flatline reg?
But as it sadly stands, that last newish thing they did was the Tac-One body. Cool. But I am tired of waiting for Crosby's horse to come in. I need something to go on.
Sorry, :( :( :(
Mike

[Silverback]

a friend of mine i work with bought a shocker in '03. the first of the new shockers. 5 1/2 years later it is still throwing paint down field. my rt pro i bought 4 years ago. until i sold it last week, it also still threw paint down field. neither of them have needed any work besides maintaining a well lubed marker. hmmm...

Let's see buy marker in '03, it's 08... (8-3=5) but it's April, and you say he's had the SFT for 5 1/2 years....hmmmm, then you have an RT Pro for four years, and YOU SOLD IT, and your agreeing with my statement on quality, yet you SOLD A QUALITY marker, that is difficult to impossible to replace NEW.... HMMMM

Who's side of this argument are you on? :confused:

[robertsr1811]

Nothing wrong with voting with your wallet.

Don't like SP. Don't buy their stuff. Shockers might lay golden eggs with each shot, and offer a back massage in the dead zone, but I'll never know because I refuse to give those folks my cash.

Anyone who is trying to get me to "stop hating" is wasting their time. I don't CARE how good SP products might be. Not buying any.

[the1antichrist]

there are still yugos and pintos on the road, but they are not marked for being "quality"....next point?
i dont know about you but something cheaply made and mass produced like a yugo or pinto(ion, ) lasting this long spells quality to me....next point?

[the1antichrist]

Let's see buy marker in '03, it's 08... (8-3=5) but it's April, and you say he's had the SFT for 5 1/2 years....hmmmm, then you have an RT Pro for four years, and YOU SOLD IT, and your agreeing with my statement on quality, yet you SOLD A QUALITY marker, that is difficult to impossible to replace NEW.... HMMMM

Who's side of this argument are you on? :confused:
think of it like this professor, paintball companies are like car companies. as in you can by an 09 chevy malibu in the summer of 08. well the shocker wasnt released on january 1 2003. i was released before that. so next topic....
and any one with a couple hundred dollars can go on AO or ebay and by a rt mag. or the parts to make one. so next to impossible to replace... not.
i sold the RT pro cause i knew how much it was worth. i wanted a MINI so the mag went to some one who will use it more likely as thier primary marker instead of sitting in my gear bag waiting (prolly for ever) for my MINI to go down. needless to say i got more for the mag then i expected. they do resale well :headbang:

[ThePixelGuru]

i dont know about you but something cheaply made and mass produced like a yugo or pinto(ion, ) lasting this long spells quality to me....next point?
Yeah, you really got him there. It's just like how Wal-Mart sells tons of stuff, and, since quantity is the exact same thing as quality, that means Wal-Mart is a world leader in the field of high-quality goods.

Next point? :rolleyes:

[the1antichrist]

Yeah, you really got him there. It's just like how Wal-Mart sells tons of stuff, and, since quantity is the exact same thing as quality, that means Wal-Mart is a world leader in the field of high-quality goods.

Next point? :rolleyes:
wow you really have no clue as to what im getting at. i never said just because something is mass produced at high quantity that its of high quality. but go ahead and twist things around as you see fit.
lets end it at this, if a guy is shooting a mag, and has a SP barrel on it that works well for him then i see no point that he should feel he needs get rid of it cause he just found out about the SP lawsuit thing. its not like SP sued AGD or anything. SP sent out C@D letters to other companies but not AGD. so i think he should base his paintball equipment on performence. not legalities. we all have our on prefrences. im done now. :headbang:

[Ruler_Mark]

wow you really have no clue as to what im getting at. i never said just because something is mass produced at high quantity that its of high quality. but go ahead and twist things around as you see fit.
lets end it at this, if a guy is shooting a mag, and has a SP barrel on it that works well for him then i see no point that he should feel he needs get rid of it cause he just found out about the SP lawsuit thing. its not like SP sued AGD or anything. SP sent out C@D letters to other companies but not AGD. so i think he should base his paintball equipment on performence. not legalities. we all have our on prefrences. im done now. :headbang:


Its a morale issue. Putting the product aside. 2 compaines have the same product, company A uses 3 year old slaves to produce thier products who daily get beaten and raped by pedofiles. Company B uses USA labor.

A costs X dollars
B costs X*5 Dollars

What will you buy?

I personally will go for B. Its like democracy you can sell your dignity for one entity or the other, it just shows who you really are.



I personally use SP SS inserts, using my caliper they are the actual size they read as. A shock imo. I use to have AL inserts for my DW barrel and my .689 was smaller than my .679 :rofl:

I believe they outsource the SS production to a honest company.

[the1antichrist]

i do under stand what you and the others are saying mark but that wasnt the best comparision. the Gardners havent used sex slave labor in like 2 years.. :D :) . but what i dont get is this guy that got me started on this didnt even know any thing about the whole SP thing. his bias was solely based on what people said and told him. so thats what i was getting at. peace. :cheers: