matteusz
05-11-2008, 03:34 PM
Let me start by saying I am heavily biased in posting this. I like rouge and feel he takes feedback seriously on his products. I sold the logic frames and worked with coolhand to get another run done and I like him too. I think they are both good to the automag community and want to encourage ongoing production of their stuff.
Due to the similarities between the two frames and my experience (although limited) with shooting both frames I think this review is overdue.
So first off is the form of these frames. They are both offset to be between a vert 90 deg frame and the traditional 45 angle. They also both have that nice humback form to fit in the palm of your hand. Both fit standard mag mounting holes. Both are aluminum. I think the similarities end there. The rest I will try to categorize and discuss in terms of comparison.
Triggers:
Logic: Massive flat blade style trigger. Sturdy and has predrilled holes for adjusting not only the trigger stop but also sear contact. Trigger cannot be replace with other mag triggers and no one has made anything different.
RPG: Standard automag trigger or you can add in one of Rouges triggers. Lacks the sear contact point adjustment and relies on adjustment of the sear rod.
Safety:
RPG and Logic use standard classic frame safeties. I did not supply them as a standard item when I sold the frames but sold them seperately.
Trigger Gaurd:
This is a preference deal really. If you like huge gaurds then the Logic frame will be more to your liking. If you love slots milled in so you can get your Long allens into the frame easier you will like RGP better. Only drawback with the Logic is you can't fit a foregrip in a classic rail without modification when using it. The RPG frame could crowd you and some may not like the looks of either one. To me it is 6 of 1 half dozen of the other.
Rail:
Logic has an integrated rail milled into in and 4 holes for mounting your asa (allowing for 3 possible positions I believe). Logic frames also come with a jam screw so you can slid an asa on and then set it on place.
RPG has no integrated rail only two holes and is milled out all around. I covered mine with a long rail and like it fine that way. On the Triton you are either adding a rail or screwing on a two hole inline asa.
Grips:
RPG comes with standard dye grips.
Logic doesn't come with em.
I haven't found a set that fits perfect on either frame. I am thinking houges are the best bet.
Fit:
Both frames work very well on about any mag. Again a user preference issue. As far as how they fit and feel in your hand, you don't have my hands so hard to say. I also haven't seen an older logic frame so I can only reference the one's I sold. These had an added feature of having the back edges (where your palm rests on the grip) rounded instead of square. This was a good example of coolhand taking in feedback from the community and making his product better.
All that being said I personally prefer the feel of the triton. The angle is just a little more comfortable and the rounding a little more natural feeling to me.
I also didn't have to do any work on the Triton's so I think they are easier to assemble. Then again anything someone else does is usually "easier!"
I wonder if the Triton's would exist if not for the UMF's. I also wonder if I should be adding in the inteliframe to the comparison. Anyway all in all mostly just some info on the two frames. I would love to know what others think of them. Given the current availability of the Triton's and limited supply of Logics I am fairly sure more people will eventually own Tritons. They are also not as expensive. I am curious what you all think?
If anyone turns this into a Logic vs. RPG thread and starts bashing I swear I will hurt you in some lasting way (ok just sic mods on you and be angry). Both these guys do great things for us. We should remember they are people first and producers of goods second. More importantly to me we should encourage them to keep making stuff and to make it better for us by honestly looking at what it is and how it does or doesn't meet our needs.
Ok what did I miss and what do you all think?
Due to the similarities between the two frames and my experience (although limited) with shooting both frames I think this review is overdue.
So first off is the form of these frames. They are both offset to be between a vert 90 deg frame and the traditional 45 angle. They also both have that nice humback form to fit in the palm of your hand. Both fit standard mag mounting holes. Both are aluminum. I think the similarities end there. The rest I will try to categorize and discuss in terms of comparison.
Triggers:
Logic: Massive flat blade style trigger. Sturdy and has predrilled holes for adjusting not only the trigger stop but also sear contact. Trigger cannot be replace with other mag triggers and no one has made anything different.
RPG: Standard automag trigger or you can add in one of Rouges triggers. Lacks the sear contact point adjustment and relies on adjustment of the sear rod.
Safety:
RPG and Logic use standard classic frame safeties. I did not supply them as a standard item when I sold the frames but sold them seperately.
Trigger Gaurd:
This is a preference deal really. If you like huge gaurds then the Logic frame will be more to your liking. If you love slots milled in so you can get your Long allens into the frame easier you will like RGP better. Only drawback with the Logic is you can't fit a foregrip in a classic rail without modification when using it. The RPG frame could crowd you and some may not like the looks of either one. To me it is 6 of 1 half dozen of the other.
Rail:
Logic has an integrated rail milled into in and 4 holes for mounting your asa (allowing for 3 possible positions I believe). Logic frames also come with a jam screw so you can slid an asa on and then set it on place.
RPG has no integrated rail only two holes and is milled out all around. I covered mine with a long rail and like it fine that way. On the Triton you are either adding a rail or screwing on a two hole inline asa.
Grips:
RPG comes with standard dye grips.
Logic doesn't come with em.
I haven't found a set that fits perfect on either frame. I am thinking houges are the best bet.
Fit:
Both frames work very well on about any mag. Again a user preference issue. As far as how they fit and feel in your hand, you don't have my hands so hard to say. I also haven't seen an older logic frame so I can only reference the one's I sold. These had an added feature of having the back edges (where your palm rests on the grip) rounded instead of square. This was a good example of coolhand taking in feedback from the community and making his product better.
All that being said I personally prefer the feel of the triton. The angle is just a little more comfortable and the rounding a little more natural feeling to me.
I also didn't have to do any work on the Triton's so I think they are easier to assemble. Then again anything someone else does is usually "easier!"
I wonder if the Triton's would exist if not for the UMF's. I also wonder if I should be adding in the inteliframe to the comparison. Anyway all in all mostly just some info on the two frames. I would love to know what others think of them. Given the current availability of the Triton's and limited supply of Logics I am fairly sure more people will eventually own Tritons. They are also not as expensive. I am curious what you all think?
If anyone turns this into a Logic vs. RPG thread and starts bashing I swear I will hurt you in some lasting way (ok just sic mods on you and be angry). Both these guys do great things for us. We should remember they are people first and producers of goods second. More importantly to me we should encourage them to keep making stuff and to make it better for us by honestly looking at what it is and how it does or doesn't meet our needs.
Ok what did I miss and what do you all think?