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Bang and Breach
07-07-2008, 06:21 PM
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_9804855



Four nabbed in drive-by slaying of 7-year-old girl
By Ana Breton, Jason Bergreen and Erin Alberty
The Salt Lake Tribune
Article Last Updated: 07/07/2008 03:44:15 PM MDT

Updated: 1:21 PM- One adult and three juveniles have been arrested on suspicion of murder in the drive-by shooting death Sunday of a 7-year-old Salt Lake City girl.

Frank Benavidez, 20, was arrested and booked into the Salt Lake County jail and suspicion of first-degree homicide. The juveniles -- Gabriel Magallon, 17; Mae Johnson, 16; and Tiona Vigial, 16 -- also are in custody, suspected of first-degree homicide.

The Salt Lake City Police Department identified the victim as Maria Del Carmen Menchaca. Family friend Elva Reynaga said the girl was a second-grader at Riley Elementary.

Investigators also have recovered a gun linked to the shooting, according to Salt Lake City police spokeswoman Jordan Smith. The Salt Lake County District Attorney's Office is scheduled to screen the case Wednesday.

Menchaca was playing on a sidewalk outside her home at Fremont Avenue and 800 West around 6:30 p.m. when someone fired a round from a passing black SUV -- a Cadillac Escalade or Ford Excursion, police said.

Benavidez is believed to be the driver of the SUV, a jail booking document states.

According to booking information, one of the juveniles pointed a gun in the direction of another juvenile near the home and fired one shot. The bullet hit the girl.

Minutes after the shooting, the victim's relatives ran beneath police tape and struggled with officers as they gathered outside the home. Many shrieked and fell to the ground upon news of the girl's death. Her body lay on the sidewalk, shrouded by white fabric panels set up by investigators.

Police said the shooting is gang-related and may stem from threats reported in the neighborhood earlier in the day. Investigators would not say whether the alleged threats were directed at the family of the little girl, but they did say it is unlikely she was the shooter's target.

Salt Lake City police Lt. Isaac Atencio said police believe they know the identity of at least one person behind the shooting, as well as the gang with which he may be affiliated. However, he would not name the suspect or the gang.

On Monday, a make-shift memorial of flowers and candles leaned against a wire fence near the family's street corner home. A prayer vigil was scheduled for 7 p.m. tonight, Velasquez said.

Multiple neighbors said there appeared to be a growing gang problem in the neighborhood, claiming crowds of "little gang-bangers" have been frequenting the intersection where the girl was shot.

"It's just bound to get worse -- revenge against revenge against revenge," said one neighbor who did not want to be identified for fear of gang retaliation. "You don't want to let your kids play outside. Bullets don't have eyes."

Family who gathered at the scene declined to comment. One woman who said she was acquainted with the family said the girl and her mother were from Mexico.

"She was just a little girl," said Mario Varela, 18, who said he is a friend of the victim's family. "She was a good kid. A very, very friendly girl."

Benavidez - aka Felipe Alarcon Jimenez - was deported last year in connection with felony convictions in two Salt Lake City cases, according to court records.

In June 2006, Benavidez pleaded guilty to third-degree felony counts of aggravated assault and discharging a firearm from a vehicle or highway. As part of a plea deal, two other aggravated assault charged and three other firearm discharge counts were dismissed.

Benavidez had fired five shots at another man, according to 3rd District Court records, following an earlier incident where Benavidez had tried to kiss a woman, which precipitated a fight.

Benavidez also pleaded guilty to third-degree felony failure to stop at the command of a police officer. Prosecutors dismissed three counts of retaliation of a witness, victim or informant and two misdemeanors.

In that case, Benavidez fled in a car when police arrived to question him about a report of a person brandishing a gun. Benavidez sped away, then fled on foot after colliding with another car. He ran into a home, where he changed clothes and threatened to harm the occupants if they cooperated with police, according to court documents.

Judge Deno Himonas sentenced Benavidez in both cases to be deported, which occurred a month later, according to court records.

Himonas ordered Benavidez not to return illegally to United States and issued a $25,000 bench warrant in case he did return.

In yet a third case, Benavidez was charged in October 2006 with aggravated kidnapping, robbery and assault. That case was dismissed two months later because prosecutors were unable to locate the victim.

Benavidez and Jesus Alarcon Jimenez attacked a woman and stole her purse after she arrived at the parking lot of her apartment complex, according to court documents.

The woman fought free after Benavidez grabbed her, but he knocked her down, punched her in the face, grabbed her purse and ran to a car, which Jimenez was driving, according to court documents.

Jimenez, 23, who was convicted last month of murder for driving the getaway car following the August 2007 shooting death of Glendale hairdresser Faviola Hernandez.

Bang and Breach
07-07-2008, 11:37 PM
Seriously? No one has anything to say about this?

Good to see that the picture battle thread is important.

kosmo
07-07-2008, 11:42 PM
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wetwrks
07-08-2008, 12:47 AM
But, but, but...he was here to get a better life.

Sad.

Even sadder is the fact that this sort of thing happens every day and we never even hear about it.

Tesko
07-08-2008, 01:50 AM
Many of your mexicans are good honest kind people, ive seen that first hand, but with the huge influx of the populace of Mexicans into the US, you get the "bad apples", the gang banger child-murdering scum, the heroine and crack dealers, and all the organized crime associated with those which inevitably links them.

Honestly, I just see this as a crime/gang issue, not a Mexican issue. Theres murderers and criminals among all peoples.

Sorry im not much for words, but that poor little girl will be in my thoughts for a long while.

Lohman446
07-08-2008, 10:21 AM
Want the solution:

Don't tolerate gang violence where you live.

Be a witness, take the risk to make things better. Cooperate with police investigations. Take the risk of courage and stand up for what is right. I do not deny the risk involved in doing so, but what are the risks of not doing so?

Is it harder now than if this situation had not been allowed to spiral out of control? No doubt, but its not going to be any easier later.

domeplz
07-11-2008, 03:11 PM
Want the solution:

Don't tolerate gang violence where you live.

Be a witness, take the risk to make things better. Cooperate with police investigations. Take the risk of courage and stand up for what is right. I do not deny the risk involved in doing so, but what are the risks of not doing so?

Is it harder now than if this situation had not been allowed to spiral out of control? No doubt, but its not going to be any easier later.
ok that sounds all peachy but i have never in my life had the opportunity to do anything that you just said. although i have volunteered at a boys and girls club

Lohman446
07-12-2008, 06:26 AM
ok that sounds all peachy but i have never in my life had the opportunity to do anything that you just said. although i have volunteered at a boys and girls club


Fine, you haven't, nor have I. Gang violence is not really an issue when most people around here measure property in 40 acre parcels around here.

That being said you know that countless people have. You just need to look at some of the videos of people ignoring those in obvious need and continuing on with their daily lives.

The fact of the matter is things have gotten to the point they are because those directly around it have ignored it. Its not going away so that didn't work.

bryceeden
07-12-2008, 06:14 PM
In Salt Lake City the major gangs are Tongans and Samoans, the drive by being Mexicans is extreamly shocking. Salt Lake is not a city most people really assosiate with crime and violence but really its pretty bad for random acts of violence and definatly for drugs. Heck, there is currently an armed vigalanty group patroling pioneer park because of gangs and drugs. Plus in SLC if you call 911 it isn't uncommon to be on the line for over 10 min before you ever actually talk to a dispatcher so there is plenty of time for criminals to get away.

The thing is that sadly in todays world a drive by killing a little girl is so common that most people don't even take notice anymore, hence probably why there were no comments.

Destructo6
07-16-2008, 10:18 PM
Judge Deno Himonas sentenced Benavidez in both cases to be deported, which occurred a month later, according to court records.

Himonas ordered Benavidez not to return illegally to United States and issued a $25,000 bench warrant in case he did return.
Kind odd there. Criminal judges do not have the authority to deport, only Immigration Judges can do so. Maybe he ordered Ben to be turned over to ICE, as he should with every illegal alien.

I've come across quite a few illegal aliens with Utah criminal records. It was a bit shocking, the first 20 times or so.

zondo
07-16-2008, 11:24 PM
Yet another shining example of why the border needs to be enforced. I'm sure he promised he would never return illegally, cross his heart. What a naive judge...

Duzzy
07-16-2008, 11:35 PM
Yet another shining example of why the border needs to be enforced. I'm sure he promised he would never return illegally, cross his heart. What a naive judge...

Because we want our criminals to be 100% made in the USA. Screw the ones with "Hecho en Mexico" stamped on their butts. :rolleyes:

All these hardworking US citizens losing their jobs as street thugs because of Corporate Crime and their outsourcing... I see the problem here as the gangs themselves not the members or where they're from. If it hadn't been an illegal immigrant it would have been a US citizen.

But what do I know?

zondo
07-17-2008, 12:29 AM
Because we want our criminals to be 100% made in the USA. Screw the ones with "Hecho en Mexico" stamped on their butts. :rolleyes:

Exactly. I would prefer to deal only with American criminals because we don't need more from other countries. I'm glad you agree.


All these hardworking US citizens losing their jobs as street thugs because of Corporate Crime and their outsourcing... I see the problem here as the gangs themselves not the members or where they're from.

Gangs, violence, drugs.... I'm sure none of those things have anything remotely to do with an unsecured border. (MS13 anyone?) The guy was deported 2 times and the cases stacked up against him were just a crescendo to murder. Not of the little 7 year old, but the one he was convicted of before the little girl's. I don't know why the judges in these cases were so lenient as to allow him the courtesy of even being deported without going directly to jail or keep him here in jail. Maybe it has something to do with SLC being a quasi-sanctuary city.



If it hadn't been an illegal immigrant it would have been a US citizen.

:rofl:


But what do I know?

How to be magnanimous, I'll give you that...

kosmo
07-17-2008, 12:56 AM
Stupid mormons giving the guy sanctuary. We need to deport the mormons back to wherever they came from.

Duzzy
07-17-2008, 01:27 AM
Honestly, I really think that an unsecured border has little to do with it. If you secure the border they'll just find other ways to do what they want. Can't find illegals? They'll go after kids, the homeless, whoever they can find to do their dirty work.

You don't have to agree with me, or even like what i'm saying. But to me a secured border is a feel good thing. If people want to deal drugs, shoot others up, etc. they're going to do so no matter how many fences you put up.

Duzzy
07-17-2008, 02:59 AM
Snip

*Massive Ninja Edit*

I've come to two conclusions. The first being that I think you're less interested in having a discussion, and more interested in touting your opinion as truth and everything else as stupidity. If I'm wrong I apologize, but that's the impression I'm getting.

The second is that either I'm not being clear in my arguments, or you're ignoring my point completely (And again if that's not the case I offer my apologies.).

My point is this:

If you're a gang-banger pushing drugs and you need "x" amount of people to sell, and "x" amount of people to defend your territory then I seriously doubt you care who they are or where they're from as long as they get the job done.

If you somehow magically get rid of every illegal alien it won't change the fact that "x" people are still needed. And when there are no illegal aliens left you have to fill those positions with... US citizens. If you secure the borders and get rid of all drug imports they'll start producing them in the US.

I'm not arguing about border security, the need of, the lack of, etc. My point is that I don't think it will do anything in the long run. It might cause a short term decrease as gangs recruit new members and new sources of drugs (or what have you) are found or created. The amount of gang members may decrease slightly, but in the long run the people who head the gangs want money and they'll do what they have to in order to get money whether we have secure borders or not.

If you want to get rid of gangs a secure border is not the solution IMHO. It's a feel better solution that will do exactly what? It will replace criminals from abroad with criminals from home, drugs from abroad with drugs from home. I guess I can't honestly see how it will cause a real noticeable decrease in gang activity.

If you want to see a decrease in gang activity I think that more after-school programs, social improvements, and people in prison would be a much more effective, and helpful step than securing the borders...

Lohman446
07-17-2008, 07:05 AM
Wait a minute. So you are actually making the argument that if this man was not in the country someone else would have committed the same crime. I'm not sure if thats dreadfully fatalistic or pessimistic. Either way I'm fairly certain that girls parents would not agree with you.

What is the purpose of any justice system if it would have simply happened anyways if person X had not done it?

Twistedpsyche
07-17-2008, 01:10 PM
I'm with Lohman on that. With 12 million or more illegal aliens in this country, what do you expect? Honestly I don't care if some of them are "good honest people". They are illegal. Illegal, is not honest. If they want to come here, fine, I have no problem with that, but do it legaly. Don't give me stupid excuses like, "the immigration system is broken, we were here first, you took the land from us 200 yrs ago" or some other crap like that.

I read an article in the LA times some time ago talking about the very disproportionate amt of illegals involved in crime in CA. It was over half. The article also went on to talk about how a vast majority of people in the LA county jail system were illegals. And they weren't there because they were illegal they were there for other crimes, most violent.

Let's also not forget the drain on our socioeconomic system. Illegals taking advantage of the healthcare system, not paying. Hospitals all along the border have been suffering because they are not allowed to turn people away, but they never get paid either.

Oh and disease. People coming in to the country who have not been imunized. (sp?)
There have actually been lots of cases (in border cities where there are a lot of illegal immigrants) of diseases popping up that we had eradicated in this country years ago.

The system may suck, but it's there for a reason. Build a wall, kick them all out, fix the system, then let the right ones back in legally!!

Destructo6
07-17-2008, 01:51 PM
But to me a secured border is a feel good thing.
Coming from someone who lives about as far away from the southern border as you can be, I'll take it for what it's worth.

I'd venture to say that 90% of home invasions and about 75% of shootings that occur in Tucson and Phoenix involve illegal aliens and smuggling activity.

then I seriously doubt you care who they are or where they're from as long as they get the job done.
Do you read the paper? It's very important to them that they're racially and linguistically similar. Maybe I've been a tad harsh in that have access to information that you probably don't. Read up on Marasalvatrucha 13, Sureņos, etc.

drg
07-17-2008, 02:35 PM
I'm surprised no one has discussed where the girl and her mother were from and their immigration status. :rolleyes:

zondo
07-17-2008, 07:48 PM
*Massive Ninja Edit*

I've come to two conclusions. The first being that I think you're less interested in having a discussion, and more interested in touting your opinion as truth and everything else as stupidity. If I'm wrong I apologize, but that's the impression I'm getting.

The second is that either I'm not being clear in my arguments, or you're ignoring my point completely (And again if that's not the case I offer my apologies.).

My point is this:

If you're a gang-banger pushing drugs and you need "x" amount of people to sell, and "x" amount of people to defend your territory then I seriously doubt you care who they are or where they're from as long as they get the job done.

If you somehow magically get rid of every illegal alien it won't change the fact that "x" people are still needed. And when there are no illegal aliens left you have to fill those positions with... US citizens. If you secure the borders and get rid of all drug imports they'll start producing them in the US.

I'm not arguing about border security, the need of, the lack of, etc. My point is that I don't think it will do anything in the long run. It might cause a short term decrease as gangs recruit new members and new sources of drugs (or what have you) are found or created. The amount of gang members may decrease slightly, but in the long run the people who head the gangs want money and they'll do what they have to in order to get money whether we have secure borders or not.

If you want to get rid of gangs a secure border is not the solution IMHO. It's a feel better solution that will do exactly what? It will replace criminals from abroad with criminals from home, drugs from abroad with drugs from home. I guess I can't honestly see how it will cause a real noticeable decrease in gang activity.

If you want to see a decrease in gang activity I think that more after-school programs, social improvements, and people in prison would be a much more effective, and helpful step than securing the borders...

I'm up for discussion...

I will concede that simply eliminating illegals will not eliminate crime, but it will reduce that factor by a large percentage. Gang violence falls under a huge heading of "crime" and I am not so naive to say that Americans don't form up into gangs. But I don't think that you can deny that there is a violent portion of illegal aliens in this country who are in gangs. The law hasn't done anything to them, other than to harass them, so why would they obey our laws? They're not citizens here, so there is no social contract with them. They, essentially, are outside the legal system in some areas. Thank God for Joe Arpaio who will step up and actually enforce the laws that are written.

Maybe more after school programs and social improvements would work, but it won't work as well as strong parental involvement with the kids when they're young.

I'm in agreement with Lohman, Twisted, and Destructo... DRG brings up an interesting point (Bang & Breach are you happy with the discussion?) On Twisted's note, I can tell you that down here in San Diego there have been outbreaks of TB from illegals!

Destructo6
07-18-2008, 01:14 AM
I can tell you that down here in San Diego there have been outbreaks of TB from illegals!
I've been exposed to TB 3 or 4 times by way of contact with illegal aliens. Thankfully, still negative.

Measels has been the serious disease outbreak around here, also brought in from the south.

It will replace criminals from abroad with criminals from home, drugs from abroad with drugs from home.
That's both untrue and silly at the same time. People won't start to commit crime because others aren't there to do it. And there's no reason why any country, not merely the USA, should have to deal with a criminal element from abroad.