My, this looks almost silly...

[ManInBlack]

I had a couple spare Raptor Regs sitting around and decided to throw part of one on my classic pnuemag. It actually feels lighter. I don't have a scale so I can't say by how much.

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o234/CrashInBlack/Paintball/DSCF1239.jpg
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o234/CrashInBlack/Paintball/DSCF1241.jpg
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o234/CrashInBlack/Paintball/DSCF1237.jpg
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o234/CrashInBlack/Paintball/DSCF1235.jpg

[georgeyew]

If you have an extra reg back, I wouldn't mind buying one. Let me know :D

[ManInBlack]

Here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Air-America-Stainless-Steel-Piston-Housing-automag-NEW_W0QQitemZ170263277159QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item1 70263277159&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C 240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

[Spider-TW]

:wow: That's tight. Do you carry it by the grip only or does it sit on your arm somewhere?

I think Shane-O said the AA backs will rotate loose after a while without any loctite.

If someone asked "is that a mag?" do you just say "yes"? ;)

[ManInBlack]

:wow: That's tight. Do you carry it by the grip only or does it sit on your arm somewhere? Usually by the grip.

I think Shane-O said the AA backs will rotate loose after a while without any loctite. I guess I'll find out.

If someone asked "is that a mag?" do you just say "yes"? ;) Nobody's asked yet.

I haven't played with it in the tight setup yet, but that will happen soon I hope.

[michbich]

Don't forget that there is no zpin to prevent it from unscrewing.

[BiNumber3]

does that affect recharge or anythin?

[ManInBlack]

Doesn't seem to. I can try to make a video of it shooting later if you like.

[mostpeople]

Looks what we call unsafe...

I would NOT air that up..

[ManInBlack]

um, already did?

Seemed to work fine. No leaks.

I'm using the spring pack from the mag, not the original one from the reg.

[Dirge]

Actually, they work very well. It also has the advantages of being a lot lighter and has 8 holes, which is great if you have one of the older valves that doesn't line up correctly. I have been using one for a few years with no problems. You can use the flats on the side to get a very snug fit.

[michbich]

Just make sure it doesn't unscrew with the vibration when you start shooting faster. If it does, you'll have a nice chunk of metal aiming towards your goggles. :tard:

[neppo1345]

Looks what we call unsafe...

I would NOT air that up..

How is it unsafe to air up?

Do explain.

[ManInBlack]

Just make sure it doesn't unscrew with the vibration when you start shooting faster. If it does, you'll have a nice chunk of metal aiming towards your goggles. :tard:

Ok, that is a good point, so I'll just have to keep an eye on it.

[mostpeople]

um, already did?

Seemed to work fine. No leaks.

I'm using the spring pack from the mag, not the original one from the reg.


You can, whatever...

I said that I would not, I like my life and safety thank you.


To explain how its unsafe, the valve assembly is rated to 3000 psi, intact. It appears that someone has milled down the regulator part of the valve to.. well who knows what rating now?

Not to mention the Z-lock pin is also gone. Its just dangerous in general...

Unless theres an LPR somewhere I am not seeing?

[BiNumber3]

should the back unscrew completely without u noticin some how, u have a large chunk of steel flying back with 600 or so psi of pressure propelling it.
A friend somehow had that happen with a classic back, luckily didnt hit anythin, but he did lose his on/off:)

Also, that back isnt a milled down classic valve back, I'm thinkin its one of the air america reg bottoms, has the same threading n everything.

Tho as far as usin it, i wouldnt, cuz it looks funny:P

[Dirge]

Never herd of them blowing off a raptor or a raptor rex and those are rated up to 4500 psi.

[ManInBlack]

To explain how its unsafe, the valve assembly is rated to 3000 psi, intact. It appears that someone has milled down the regulator part of the valve to.. well who knows what rating now?


This isn't a milled down classic valve, it's part of a raptor reg which is rated for 3000 psi.

As for it backing out, I think I'll drill and tap the rail for a set screw to help hold it in place. That should take care of it.

[michbich]

There is a reason why a zpin is intalled in the back halves.

I'm sure no one looks at their valve during a game to make sure it's still properly screwed in. Accidents happen when we are not looking. I'm not saying it shouldn't be done, just to approach with caution.

[mostpeople]

This isn't a milled down classic valve, it's part of a raptor reg which is rated for 3000 psi.

As for it backing out, I think I'll drill and tap the rail for a set screw to help hold it in place. That should take care of it.


How do you know its a raptor reg? I didn't see any markings so how could anyone know? What makes this a raptor reg?

If it is, so be it. Hopefully its rated as they say it is so I wouldn't worry about it, well except for the z-pin of course.

[questionful]

Tank regs don't have Z-locks. The Z-lock isn't necessary. The only scenario in which it would be useful is if some idiot decided to take his gun apart while it is aired up. Have you ever seen someone do that? How many other guns have safety features addressing that scenario?

[ManInBlack]

How do you know its a raptor reg? I didn't see any markings so how could anyone know? What makes this a raptor reg?

If it is, so be it. Hopefully its rated as they say it is so I wouldn't worry about it, well except for the z-pin of course.

Because I took the piece off of a raptor reg I had sitting around. Like I said in the first post. I know I'm not the first person to do this.

[GoatBoy]

ManInBlack: It would probably look more normal if you used a regular reg nut instead of that big adjuster.



Looks what we call unsafe...

I would NOT air that up..


http://216.9.83.99/images/ebay/17-rptrrex-4500.jpg

Hi, I'm a Raptor Rex regulator.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the back side of me, the tapered part, shouldn't see full input pressure on a properly functioning setup.

If it does, it should vent out the back/side safety mechanisms.

If you try to disassemble an aired up automag, your air line will most likely stop the assembly from flying out. Even if that's not there, the on/off pin will be sticking out and catch on the frame. (And this is a classic mag, so it's a full sized on/off pin, not a ULT pin).

Also, if someone unscrews the back, shouldn't the o-ring seal break first and vent before you manage to fully remove it?

Welcome to 1995! (Actually, I'm not sure how old the Raptor systems are; I know they go back at least to 1995).

[Rudz]

it makes the valve lighter, been done for quiet some time, just remember to use loctite..

[ManInBlack]

It would look more normal, but then I wouldn't be able to adjust it without an allen wrench. :rolleyes:

[Chronobreak]

it makes the valve lighter, been done for quiet some time, just remember to use loctite..

agreed just use some blue and keep an eye on it and your fine

[cyclic]

Since you actually have one, what is the diameter of the narrowed down section on that reg? I was thinking about having the exposed part of mine cut down to that size in the area exposed above the rail, or using a ball mill to flute it to that depth.

[Beemer]

The only scenario in which it would be useful is if some idiot decided to take his gun apart while it is aired up. Have you ever seen someone do that? How many other guns have safety features addressing that scenario?

Well this IS paintball and we all arent idiots but I will admit there is a lot of stupid stuff going on. How many other guns say or are stamped, RATED to three thousand PSI let alone forty five hundred PSI? Or have had third party testing done??? AGD is the only one I know of that has stated such and made testing public. I will find the link if you need it.


Hi, I'm a Raptor Rex regulator.

Priceless..... :cheers: You rock Boy :argh:

[ManInBlack]

Since you actually have one, what is the diameter of the narrowed down section on that reg? I was thinking about having the exposed part of mine cut down to that size in the area exposed above the rail, or using a ball mill to flute it to that depth.

Looks to be .75"

I would not recommend cutting a valve down though. It's cheap enough to buy one of these through the ebay auction I posted earlier that you shouldn't try to risk damaging your valve.

[snoopay700]

man, you are all wayyyyyy too worried about this, listen to Goatboy, and also are you all forgetting SFLs? Those have the z-pin but no z-groove. It's more so that people don't disassemble their marker when it's pressurized, or to prevent the outcome. The only time my classic valve has spun was when i wanted the "68 automag classic" lined up so it looked all nice, and so it wasn't screwed all the way.

[dstud2000]

That looks sweet IMO. Oh make sure you tell all the kiddies that the big knob on the back is your adjuster switch for all of your firing modes:rofl:

[ManInBlack]

I prefer the look on their faces when I tell them the working bits are older than they are :rofl:

[GoatBoy]

http://lh6.ggpht.com/goatzilla/SNmX01z1j1I/AAAAAAAACec/lQqVCU9tot0/s400/IMGP1782.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/goatzilla/SNmX1fb0VqI/AAAAAAAACek/9DX5DnyfsSc/s400/IMGP1783.JPG


Now, to be honest, the fit and finish on my particular unit is not as good as an AGD part. Maybe quality will vary from part to part, but mine seems a little rough. I am definitely considering polishing the interior where the piston o-ring would sit.

[ManInBlack]

Cool, now does anyone know how much the back half of a classic valve weighs?

[Spider-TW]

Cool, now does anyone know how much the back half of a classic valve weighs?Should be in the titanium mag thread.

[Wicked_Silence]

I think it weighs about as much as a duck!

Seriously, that looks sweet. If its put together right and all the safety precautions are used, there shouldn't be anything wrong with this.

[MntlHazrd]

Im curious on the weight of the vavle assembly in relation to an x-valve

[snoopay700]

I think it weighs about as much as a duck!

Seriously, that looks sweet. If its put together right and all the safety precautions are used, there shouldn't be anything wrong with this.
Silly man, it's not a witch.

[Spider-TW]

I think it weighs about as much as a duck!

Seriously, that looks sweet. If its put together right and all the safety precautions are used, there shouldn't be anything wrong with this.
Lock it down or it will turn you into a newt!

[secretweaponevan]

I think it weighs about as much as a duck!

Seriously, that looks sweet. If its put together right and all the safety precautions are used, there shouldn't be anything wrong with this.

Classic!

[ManInBlack]

I think it weighs about as much as a duck!

Seriously, that looks sweet. If its put together right and all the safety precautions are used, there shouldn't be anything wrong with this.

Burn her!

[snoopay700]

Man, you could cut the Monty Python in here with a knife.

[Spider-TW]

This would be the Ministry of Funny Regulators.

[paint magnet]

I still don't see how it's unsafe. Even if it starts to unscrew, once the o-ring seal is broken the air will just vent out.

I mean, you unscrew a preset tank at 850 psi and it doesn't go flying off in the opposite direction.

[Spider-TW]

I still don't see how it's unsafe. Even if it starts to unscrew, once the o-ring seal is broken the air will just vent out.

I mean, you unscrew a preset tank at 850 psi and it doesn't go flying off in the opposite direction.
On this setup the air source (at ~800 psi) is on the valve facing the reg back. So, yes, the oring will pop, but it will not vent the air down until the tank is finished. Also, those threads are pretty short and there is not a lot left by the time the oring is out. It's not a jet situation, just a pop possibility with a particularly nasty projectile.

[snoopay700]

On this setup the air source (at ~800 psi) is on the valve facing the reg back. So, yes, the oring will pop, but it will not vent the air down until the tank is finished. Also, those threads are pretty short and there is not a lot left by the time the oring is out. It's not a jet situation, just a pop possibility with a particularly nasty projectile.
Again, SFL, same thing, no problems. Listen.

[Beemer]

Again, SFL, same thing, no problems. Listen.

I guess I missed something.

[snoopay700]

I guess I missed something.
Last post on the previous page. I mentioned SFLs don't have the z-groove either and nothing bad has happened with them.

[Spider-TW]

Last post on the previous page. I mentioned SFLs don't have the z-groove either and nothing bad has happened with them.
Do SFLs have a straight groove? Or are you saying the reg has the pin removed?

**edit**

From what I can find, the SFL had a screw to hold the reg in place that many people didn't use. So far, I have not heard of any AGD mag that did not have some means of keeping the reg from turning out.

I'm not saying I think it will jet across the garage and put a dent in your car. I do think it is unwise to give 800 psi air a chance to vent uncontrolled, especially in direct contact with a small chunk of stainless steel. I consider well oiled threads and orings under vibration something that will come apart eventually. The idea of loctite or locking grooves is that you don't have to wonder if it will happen between the last time and the next time the connection is checked.

[snoopay700]

SFLs and the rail milled so the z-lock wasn't there, i have head of no such screw to hold in the reg, and they are fine. That is my point, with that groove it seems AGD was just following the old rule of engineering of making everything twice as strong/safe as it needs o be, so it's not a good idea to have one without the pin, but i don't think it would harm anything.

Sorry, not the rail, the body. Ugh, i wish i had time to sleep before calc.

[cyberave68]

For those of you insterested there are a few parts kits that showed on ebay for AirAmerica raptors. Kinda funny i read this thread and then did some searching on any new mag parts and got this...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Automag-Air-America-Regulator-Unireg-Raptor-Seat-6-Pack_W0QQitemZ170266741403QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 170266741403&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Not to hard to find ATM so if you need/want them go get em...

Cy

[ManInBlack]

I just rebuilt a couple of mine with mag reg seats.

[Shane-O-Mac]

I just rebuilt a couple of mine with mag reg seats.

Do not use Mag seats in AA air systems, they are too soft and will not work properly. Using a Mag seat in a secondary reg is ok, just use the mag reg pin also. I had a mag using a Black Ice piston housing (Same as Raptor, but aluminum) and no z-lock. The problem is that it will rotate as you shoot and RAISE the velocity. I used a drop of red loctite, to lock it in place. Use 2 drops of blue if you skittish about red loc-tite. IIRC, the z-lock is to keep the valve form coming out by user error or the field strip screw snapping off. IIRC there was a tiny batch of field strip screws that weren't made of SS and they had problems. As I have said before, if you use a Raptor piston housing, make sure you use the Mag spring pack AND Mag piston.

Also, do not buy any AA rebuild kits were the seat is slightly yellow tinted, they should be bright white, otherwise they are not the proper seats, and will not work right.

[Dirge]

For those of you insterested there are a few parts kits that showed on ebay for AirAmerica raptors. Kinda funny i read this thread and then did some searching on any new mag parts and got this...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Automag-Air-America-Regulator-Unireg-Raptor-Seat-6-Pack_W0QQitemZ170266741403QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item 170266741403&_trkparms=39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A1%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Not to hard to find ATM so if you need/want them go get em...

Cy

Hat not looked in a while (long while........). Last time I looked, iisports had the yellow ones. I will order a pack or two soon. The ole Appoclpse has needed a new seat for years.

Nice find btw.

[michbich]

I'm not sure, and i' probably wrong on this one. But about SFL, if they did have the zpin, wouldn't it be held by the rail lip? That's assuming it doesn't clear the rail.

[pump]

i always knew that the AA regs would screw into AGD regs, but i never knew that it would be like that

i wonder.....would those aluminum reg backs fit???

[ManInBlack]

I've decided I like the mag like this and am going to leave it this way. There is a bit of rail that's hanging off the back not doing anything, so I was thinking about chopping that down as well.

Cutting it off here at an angle:
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o234/CrashInBlack/Paintball/DSCF1234cut.jpg

To turn this:
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o234/CrashInBlack/Paintball/DSCF1237.jpg
Into this:
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o234/CrashInBlack/Paintball/DSCF1237cut.jpg

(I know you're all impressed by my mad photoshopping skills :rofl: )

Now, I haven't seen many rails like mine around (I think it's a Taso rail) and I'm just curious if there's any historical value to it that should prevent me from slicing it up? I donno, it came with my gun when I originally got it and other than the front half of the valve it's the only original piece left. Any thoughts?

[trevorjk]

pics of inside of rail?

[ManInBlack]

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o234/CrashInBlack/Paintball/DSCF1343.jpg
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o234/CrashInBlack/Paintball/DSCF1345.jpg

[warpfeedmod]

Doesn't look like chopping the rail down would harm anything, just make sure you leave enough meat behind the screw to hold the reg to the rail/frame.

[Engus]

Ive cut a rail somewhat similarly http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff292/Engus_album/magpneu2.jpg

[ManInBlack]

That looks pretty good actually.

[ManInBlack]

Well, here's the result:

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o234/CrashInBlack/Paintball/DSCF1353.jpg

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o234/CrashInBlack/Paintball/DSCF1350.jpg

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o234/CrashInBlack/Paintball/DSCF1356.jpg

[WARPED1]

I think it weighs about as much as a duck!


So, if it weighs the same as a duck, it must be made of wood! And therefore a witch! BURN IT!
I always thought AA regs of old were just mag regs Tom sold to AA:).

[pump]

so does this man we can put an X Valve into a unireg?

[Dirge]

Nope. Different design.

[trevorjk]

the rail kind of looked like an old style AGD Pump Rail. in my hoest opinion

[ManInBlack]

It might have been. There is a nice groove milled into it from the factory that I'm running my microline through.

[pump]

hey will the black ice, messiah, or vigilante fit as well?

[Shane-O-Mac]

hey will the black ice, messiah, or vigilante fit as well?

Black Ice will, and it is aluminum. Messiah and Vigilante' have different threads IIRC.