emag not dry firing?

[DeuceSV]

So I've got my emag completely finished. Its my first one. Xvalve with lvl ten. No air leaks. I gas it up and the air is clearly resetting the trigger, but it is not dry firing. Should it? Is the velocity too low? Too high? Do I just need to put paint in it? Will it fire then?

Thanks,
Jason

[BigEvil]

Turn the velocity up and report back soldier.

[DeuceSV]

Turn the velocity up and report back soldier.
I'm scared to turn the velocity adjuster too far to the right into the back of my xvalve. Possible?

[BigEvil]

I'm scared to turn the velocity adjuster too far to the right into the back of my xvalve. Possible?


Turn it in clockwise. If you go to far, it will vent air. Then back it off a bit.

[DeuceSV]

So I did all of that... I turned it completely to the right... no venting... I turned it completely to the left until it came out... STILL nothing... not even vent leaking.

[TwilightG]

Are you testing in Mech or E mode?

[DeuceSV]

E-mode.

[211]

Is the noid trying to fire, if you have the grip off does the noid move at all?
It could be the magnet in your trigger, flip it around and try it out

[DeuceSV]

everything is moving in the grip. the magnet is doing its job.

[211]

Does it fire in mech mode?

[DeuceSV]

it does not

[TwilightG]

So the trigger pin doesn't move at all then once it's aired up?
Is it possible that a bent on/off pin would cause this?

[211]

have you made sure the safety isnt on, the one behind the grips on the frame
I know it sounds stupid, but that was my problem

[DeuceSV]

its off also

[211]

Which on/off pin are you using?
stock is .750
emag on/off pin is .712

[DeuceSV]

what is an on/off pin?

[211]

inside the on/off assembly there is a thin rod with a slightly larger head
http://store.airgundesignsusa.com/images/product/395.jpg

[DeuceSV]

ahhhh okay. well I know what that is, but i'm not sure I know how to tell what size it is. I believe it came with my RPG rail that I bought WITH my emag lowers from someone on this site...

I believe it was Twilight G haha.

Hey Twilight, whats going on with the Emag lowers that you sold me?
Any idea what I need to do to get them operating?

[DeuceSV]

wait, that on/off pin is NOT the one that goes through the sear connecting it to the rail, is it?

[211]

No, that goes inside the on/off in the valve
if you didnt change the pin that was in the Xvalve to an Emag pin, then your pin is to long, and that would be my guess as to why it wont fire
you either need to order an Emag on/off pin (and an x-oring while your at it) from AGD
or if your are competent with a file or dremel you can CAREFULLY shorten the one you have

[TwilightG]

I haven't sold any lowers :confused: I tried to sell you an X-Valve at one point but you found a better offer :cry:

[TwilightG]

No, that goes inside the on/off in the valve
if you didnt change the pin that was in the Xvalve to an Emag pin, then your pin is to long, and that would be my guess as to why it wont fire
you either need to order an Emag on/off pin (and an x-oring while your at it) from AGD
or if your are competent with a file or dremel you can CAREFULLY shorten the one you have

It should still fire in Mech mode, right? (I'm still a nub to EMags myself)

[211]

Im fairly certain that the angle on the Emag sear is different than the RT sear, and that is part of the reason for a shorter pin, it makes the opening/closing of the on/off shorter

[flyingpootang]

Is the axle pin in and are you using a high out put tank (850+), does the tank have more than a 1000PSI in it?

[DeuceSV]

Okay, given that this is not only my first Emag project but also my first paintball project as well, I figured I would go ahead and post some pictures of what I'm working with. Perhaps this will help you understand what I might be facing. I will also post pictures of anything else that you might want to see. I'm trying to get this puppy rippin' by Oct 8th.

Thanks!

http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq228/jtwusaf/Windows-1252BSU1HMDAwNDAuanBn.jpg


http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq228/jtwusaf/utf-8BSU1HMDAwMDIuanBn.jpg

http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq228/jtwusaf/utf-8BSU1HMDAwMDMuanBn.jpg


http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq228/jtwusaf/utf-8BSU1HMDAwMDQuanBn.jpg


Any and all help is greatly appreciated.

-Jason

[TwilightG]

I agree that the on/off pin might be the culprit but I also noticed the myth reg. Is it sprung for 800psi? I think they're normally preset to 650 which isn't enough for Mags (not X-Valves)

[DeuceSV]

what can be done about the myth reg?

I also have a an armageddon reg that came with my tank, but the pro-shop guy talked me into the myth reg and a cp asa and drop...

I will post pictures of that as well.

[DeuceSV]

This is what the tank originally came with before I got the Myth Reg:

http://i450.photobucket.com/albums/qq228/jtwusaf/utf-8BL0RldmljZSBNZW1vcnkvaG9tZS91c.jpg

[TwilightG]

what can be done about the myth reg?

I also have a an armageddon reg that came with my tank, but the pro-shop guy talked me into the myth reg and a cp asa and drop...

I will post pictures of that as well.

I really know very little about the Myth reg other than the preset output and the fact that it's ridiculously small.
If I'm not mistaken, it can be modified for higher psi output but don't know anything else about that or if it's even possible.

You probably don't have a spare tank? Or borrow from a friend?

[DeuceSV]

I don't have a spare tank. I'm going to take my tank over to the shop today and use the armageddon reg instead of the myth reg and see where that leaves me with this situation. That could be the entire problem. only thing is I don't know how to set the regulator to certain psi's and whether or not that needs to be done before there is air in the tank or if the tank is connected to the gun

[211]

Low input pressure could definitely be your problem, my buddies Myth only outputs 650, so yours might be the same
On the Armageddon, attach it to your tank and gun, then fill with air, then adjust pressure (allen screw in the front) in for more pressure, out for less
900-1000 output is a good place to start
if your planning on running more than 850 into the mag, you might want to consider using braided stainless line instead of macroline

[DeuceSV]

I got the the piece out of the valve but i can't separate the pin from the rest of the pieces. how do I go about that? thanks

[211]

Push it out from the bottom up
the big end goes at the top of the assembly