..CQ²B-Tac (take 2)...

[malJohann]

Here's CQ²B-Tac (take 2), I managed to upload the images to TinyPic in 1024x768 resolution, so you should be able to view them now with no problems.

No animals were hurt or even put in danger during the production of this thread. No gas or paint was in, on or nearby and the author would NEVER shoot at animals (except those shooting at him with paintball markers during a game).

Right, so here's the marker I'm going to run with from here on. It's my CQ²B-Tac, which is basically just an AGD Tac-One fed by a very low-profile Q-loader, setup for Close Quarter Battle. All that's missing at the moment is a grip mounted ASA for mounting the bottle directly.

Everything seen is 100% mechanical goodness and (for me) an ideal all round setup. I've got 4 Q-pods, so ammo capacity is not a problem, plus the option to run with a long or short barrel depending on my preference or the situation at hand. Let me know what you think.

The pics illustrate the long and short setup, aiming and hand clearance around the Q-loader. Also, I can grip the Q-pod by just rotating my wrist, making reload time minimal. Plus, with a 1cm sight-raiser I'll be able to mount a red-dot in front with no problem at all.

Click on a thumbnail for a bigger picture:
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[pito189]

Don't worry it's just a rat not an animal ;)

Looks nice and clean, I like it. I'm a lefty so it wouldn't work for me though.

I've always wondered what is the AO'ers fascination with those super short barrels, care to enlighten me? :confused:

[Whee McGee]

I've always wondered what is the AO'ers fascination with those super short barrels, care to enlighten me? :confused:
They're loud and awesome. What more is there to explain?

[malJohann]

Looks nice and clean, I like it. I'm a lefty so it wouldn't work for me though.

The Q-loader bracket is mounted directly to the wing, so switching it over to work for a lefty would take less than 2 minutes.


I've always wondered what is the AO'ers fascination with those super short barrels, care to enlighten me? :confused:

I can't answer for the rest, since I'm not them, but for me it's for practical purposes. If you haven't gleaned it from the thread title yet, this is my CQB setup, so a short barrel is a big plus. I'm a point-man/front-player, so manoeuvrability is a big factor.

[teufelhunden]

The Q-loader bracket is mounted directly to the wing, so switching it over to work for a lefty would take less than 2 minutes.



I can't answer for the rest, since I'm not them, but for me it's for practical purposes. If you haven't gleaned it from the thread title yet, this is my CQB setup, so a short barrel is a big plus. I'm a point-man/front-player, so manoeuvrability is a big factor.


Soooo, you put a bunch of weight protruding from the gun, away from the point where you hold it? And presumably your tank will be either remote or on some sort of big drop to make it nice and vertically packed?

Sounds good for "CQB", esp because in that setup you'll have to work harder to move it cuz of the weight distribution, but enjoy, i guess.

[pito189]

Ah, ok that makes sense in your case thanks for explaining. I didn't know what CQB was until I looked it up. I thought you had just named her something. Also pretty cool that you can switch it so quickly.

Loud and awesome, that makes sense. :D

[craltal]

Soooo, you put a bunch of weight protruding from the gun, away from the point where you hold it? And presumably your tank will be either remote or on some sort of big drop to make it nice and vertically packed?

Sounds good for "CQB", esp because in that setup you'll have to work harder to move it cuz of the weight distribution, but enjoy, i guess.


he did say that he's going to mount the tank directly on the gun without a drop...

[teufelhunden]

he did say that he's going to mount the tank directly on the gun without a drop...

In which case it is slightly more usable but still, putting the weight of the q thing and paint at the front end of the gun requires more energy to move, meaning it's slower, the opposite of what one would want in a "CQB" situation. A well balanced gun is better suited.

[snoopay700]

Don't worry it's just a rat not an animal ;)

Looks nice and clean, I like it. I'm a lefty so it wouldn't work for me though.

I've always wondered what is the AO'ers fascination with those super short barrels, care to enlighten me? :confused:
Mine had paint in it so it wouldn't shoot straight last time i used it so i used a longer one, but other than that, they look cool. What's YOUR fascination with those long barrels?

[grEnAlEins]

What's YOUR fascination with those long barrels?
Compensation :p

The ideal barrel length is roughly 8 inches. Everything after that is for show.

[snoopay700]

Compensation :p

The ideal barrel length is roughly 8 inches. Everything after that is for show.
Psh, i normally play with an 8 inch crown point, meaning i have 5 effective inches of barrel. I never feel the need to compensate. :argh:

[crudeidol]

I'm glad you got those pictures up, I'm planning to do this same thing to my Ion (If I ever get the darn thing working again!)

Looks especially good in CQB config. :D

[snoopay700]

I'm glad you got those pictures up, I'm planning to do this same thing to my Ion (If I ever get the darn thing working again!)

Looks especially good in CQB config. :D
Eh, i tend to agree with teufelhunden here, the offset weight, even though it's not much, does makre it more unwieldy, i know this from experience, and my marker was a classic RT which is a good half pound to pound heavier. The best design would be either a low profile hopper or something like the ATS design that loads from under the middle of the marker. An offset hopper does make for problems.

[pito189]

What's YOUR fascination with those long barrels?

I have a tiny tiny.... oh um self conscience, yeah thats it!



Compensation :p

The ideal barrel length is roughly 8 inches. Everything after that is for show.

I am all about the show then, hehe.

I have a ole 16 incher. I like to rest it on things.

I don't want to be to close to the bunker either gives me a better view of the field.

[drewkroeker]

For close-quarters, I personally would go with a remote line on a setup like this. I have played in a buddy's house that was going to be torn down (all safety precautions were taken, don't worry!) and I found that having the tank on gun was almost too long to fit through some door ways if you wanted to just lean into a room and shoot. If you have hold the gun with two hands I don't think you should have a problem with weight distribution.

One other thing I thought of for your setup is a warp body. I don't know if you'd want to spend the money on one or if it would mess up your placing of the q pod; I just love being able to look down the barrel without anything blocking my view. Nice looking setup by the way.

Drew

[malJohann]

Soooo, you put a bunch of weight protruding from the gun, away from the point where you hold it? And presumably your tank will be either remote or on some sort of big drop to make it nice and vertically packed?

Sounds good for "CQB", esp because in that setup you'll have to work harder to move it cuz of the weight distribution, but enjoy, i guess.

I played with it this weekend in a scenario and it works great. I took off the bicycle grip and put a remote-line on there just to try it out. I played right- and left-handed around corners without any fuss at all. Unbalanced? Bah! You should see how easy it is to handle and shoot accurately.


For close-quarters, I personally would go with a remote line on a setup like this. I have played in a buddy's house that was going to be torn down (all safety precautions were taken, don't worry!) and I found that having the tank on gun was almost too long to fit through some door ways if you wanted to just lean into a room and shoot. If you have hold the gun with two hands I don't think you should have a problem with weight distribution.

I used it with a remote-line and snapping is such a breeze! With the line going directly under my right arm even switching to the left hand was no problem at all.


One other thing I thought of for your setup is a warp body. I don't know if you'd want to spend the money on one or if it would mess up your placing of the q pod; I just love being able to look down the barrel without anything blocking my view. Nice looking setup by the way.

I was thinking of trying something with a warp body, but that may take the weight of the Q-pod too far forward. The way it is now, it's weight is well balanced between my two hands. Do you get the Warp bodies with wings?

[drewkroeker]

My warp body is just a standard ULE warp left. I don't think it has wings. I thought only rails could have wings? Correct me if I'm wrong.

[malJohann]

I thought only rails could have wings? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Correct. My bad.

[Whee McGee]

Correct. My bad.
Not sure if all of them do, but some Micromag bodies have wings. :p

[malJohann]

Pic of me at the scenario with my marker. I'm the guy crouching at the right.

Click on the thumbnail for a bigger picture:
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[Naby]

so, you actually hold it with your left hand by the q-pod? Does it feel sturdy enough for that?

[Dawg047]

Soooo, you put a bunch of weight protruding from the gun, away from the point where you hold it? And presumably your tank will be either remote or on some sort of big drop to make it nice and vertically packed?

Sounds good for "CQB", esp because in that setup you'll have to work harder to move it cuz of the weight distribution, but enjoy, i guess.

Man, kind of harsh. This guy is just showing his gun off. What works for him might not work for others. Nice gun, I love the tiny barrel.

[DevilMan]

I don't know... this one balances pretty damn well.

http://www.zakvetter.com/mook/qmag.jpg

If you hold it at the valve screw it just tips slightly down in front. I personally love the feel of it.

Opinions are like ..... well you know the rest..

DM

[malJohann]

so, you actually hold it with your left hand by the q-pod? Does it feel sturdy enough for that?

In that pic I was in a resting position, during play I hold it by the front grip like in the first pics. My Q-loader setup is sturdy enough to take the full weight of the Q-pod with sprinting, diving and twisting the pods out, so I'm sure it's plenty sturdy.


Man, kind of harsh. This guy is just showing his gun off. What works for him might not work for others. Nice gun, I love the tiny barrel.

Thanks. That is actually a Smart Parts All American back that I got with the marker. I play with the front on sometimes, but it's excessively long at 20".


I don't know... this one balances pretty damn well...

Nice marker. I don't see what people have against the Q-loader except for filling and capacity. In my experience it balances better than a hopper, even when offset like mine.

[LONEWOLFOO1]

glory to the no foregrip!!!

http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff351/CROM10314/TACNEW1.jpg

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this is version CQB agd

[Thotograph]

I'm about to do something kinda similar with a micromag. Except I plan on running a stock and remote for minimized weight. Also don't plan on it being capable of high rof. It's gonna be more of a stealthy (quiet) gun with a compact setup.

Must say though I like the looks of your gun quite a bit. What size tank are you thinkin? I would say stick with a smaller one like a 48 or 50. Ninja makes a 50ci now... they're regs are decent and can be shimmed to around 950psi. Pretty decent price new.... I've got a 68 and love it.

[malJohann]

glory to the no foregrip!!!

Well done. I'm thinking of mounting a Weaver rail at the bottom, then hanging an adjustable fore grip from it. Mine now runs a remote coil directly to the valve with absolutely no technical problems at all. Always loved the look of the stock J&J barrel on a Tac-One.


I'm about to do something kinda similar with a micromag. Except I plan on running a stock and remote for minimized weight. Also don't plan on it being capable of high rof. It's gonna be more of a stealthy (quiet) gun with a compact setup.

I played with this setup and an AA Apocalypse (on remote) yesterday and must say I love it. When I want to use it for CQB I run with only the All American back and when I want to do stealthy shots I just screw in the 20" front. Personally don't feel the need for a stock.


Must say though I like the looks of your gun quite a bit. What size tank are you thinkin? I would say stick with a smaller one like a 48 or 50. Ninja makes a 50ci now... they're regs are decent and can be shimmed to around 950psi. Pretty decent price new.... I've got a 68 and love it.

If I were to buy a new tank it would likely be a 4500psi 68ci, so you can get lots of shots when 4500psi fills are available, yet still get a decent amount of shots when only 3000psi fills are available. Currently I'm running with the 3000psi 114ci tank I got with the reg though.

[Thotograph]

Word... I've got a 92/4.5k with a Flatline... that will probably be the beast that supplies the remote. That sys is so nasty... 114's are huge. I think 88's and 92's are the right size. The bummer is I have to rehydro a bunch of my tanks coming up here soon, including that 92ci Flatline :(

[LONEWOLFOO1]

I'm about to do something kinda similar with a micromag. Except I plan on running a stock and remote for minimized weight. Also don't plan on it being capable of high rof. It's gonna be more of a stealthy (quiet) gun with a compact setup.

Must say though I like the looks of your gun quite a bit. What size tank are you thinkin? I would say stick with a smaller one like a 48 or 50. Ninja makes a 50ci now... they're regs are decent and can be shimmed to around 950psi. Pretty decent price new.... I've got a 68 and love it.


can you post a link I would love to get a 950psi screw in. i have a old school air america 4500 rapter rex tank I upgraded to the gorilla air but it needs more than 800psi out of it. does anybody makes a 900 psi or higher screw in reg?

the pics do not do the gun justice. I also have red peppers adjustable barrel set. I took the pic with the stock agd barrel because i figure most people would run with that. now all i need is a good sidearm.