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mixwell2
12-02-2008, 06:24 PM
taken from WARPIG site


NPPL to be Liquidated
December 02, 2008

In the wake of an announcement e-mailed by Camille Lemanski and confirmation by Paintball 2 Xtremes editor John Amodea, the paintball industry is rife with rumor and speculation about the liquidation of Pacific Paintball and its subsidiary companies and brands – NPPL, XPSL, Paintball 2 Xtremes, Xtreme Paintball fields, Camp Pendleton and Paintball.com.

The National Professional Paintball League began in the early 1990s, fueled by dissatisfaction with the state of national tournaments. Complaints of biased reffing, high prices and field-paint-only policies were a driving factor in the formation of the NPPL. The original NPPL was started as a corporation owned by its member teams – the professionals of the day.

The original NPPL structure allowed tournament promoters to bid to the league for the right to run an NPPL sanctioned tournament. Sanctioning gave the league control over rules, prices and a bring your own paint policy. The league used a 10-man, two-flag format with a rotating roster of teams from within the league to serve as referees. Reffing at a tournament gave the equivalent in annual series ranking points to wining the event, guaranteeing willing referees and theoretically provided fair judging by peers. In practice, players threatening referees with reprisal at a later event when their roles were reversed was not an uncommon tactic when calls were disputed. Most importantly, the bidding process meant that promoters had to provide a quality tournament if they wanted to keep producing for the league, and a standardized set of rules determined by the elected representatives of the players themselves – not dictated, or worse arbitrarily decided by the promoters.

The original NPPL grew and flourished quickly – but not in the way its founders had intended. Because players were receiving the better value they were looking for in tournaments, the effort put into the league evaporated. The league's board of directors, member teams and officers stopped putting in the time to keep the league structure operational. Promoters kept the tournaments running while the corporation that was the legal entity of the league was eventually dissolved by the state of New York for failure to pay its taxes. This transpired with no notice or complaint by the teams and players competing in NPPL tournaments because they had what they were after - tournaments they were happy with.

By the late 1990s, the NPPL existed as little more than a name used on tournaments such as the Las Vegas Open produced by DYE Precision, Bad Boyz Toyz' Chicago Open and Paintball Sports' Paintball World Cup. Tom Cole, the league's last elected president, and its rules committee were all that were left of the league structure. The concept of sanctioning went by the wayside as DYE and BBT kept the NPPL's 4th event of the year going by jointly purchasing the rights to the Atlanta Open from its previous producer, and rules were in the hands of the promoters as Paintball Sports enforced a rate of fire cap at the 1998 World Cup in response to the Shocker Turbo, the first publicly available marker with a ramping mode.

Also in the late 1990s, 5-man competition started being added to more NPPL tournaments than just the World Cup and Chicago Open, eventually appearing at all of the league events in the new millennium.

Then came the 1999 Paintball World Cup. While the paintball world in Europe was shown the beauty of what tournament paintball could be with the 7-Man World Cup Toulouse tournament held in a major sports stadium, the World Cup was moved from Old Town Kissimmee, Florida to a nearby piece of land used for cattle grazing and farm equipment auctions. The new location offered more grass field space – an important feature as the league moved to more concept fields and fewer wooded fields - but got off to a late and muddy start due to Hurricane Irene blowing through the region just before the tournament started. Games were delayed, netting had problems and the tournament was heavily criticized in paintball magazines.

Through the 2000 season, player dissent grew. Although the tournaments had markedly improved in terms of venue and participation over previous years, player's voices grew louder over the promoters not being held accountable for event quality, and issues of safety, site layout, overall look and presentation of events and even prize packages and profit levels. Internet forums were alive with accusations that event promoters had taken over the NPPL, and the players needed to regain control. Paul Alders took advantage of the Internet to gather amateur teams into a player's union.

In January of 2001, concerned parties sat down in Las Vegas to plan the year and take a serious look at league structure. For those representing the league, they wanted change – they wanted customer satisfaction, while the promoters didn't want to see the businesses they'd built and invested in taken away from them or destroyed.

An early point of contention at the meeting was deciding who really owned the name NPPL. The original NPPL corporation no longer existed, and the name had been used in business by the promters. The wild card in the mix was Scottie Flint who had registered a trademark on the name himself. After a short discussion he turned the registration over to Cole, so that it could be used as leverage to make sure the players got their due.

At one point in the meeting, frustrated with the possibility that the league would have the power to pull event sanctioning away from the promoters who invested the time and money to build it up, both parties left the table with very heated words. When they came back in the morning, the promoters had a new tactic – they had joined together to form a single company, Paintball Sports Promotions (PSP) and would produce their series of tournaments with or without the support of the league.

Eventually agreements were reached for more player representation, and for PSP to fund growth of the NPPL – supplying it with equipment to make player ID cards, among other items.

At the second event of the 2001 season in Gettysburg, PA, just a stone's throw from one of the largest battlefields of the US Civil War, division of the NPPL and PSP was brewing. Team representatives met and voted to confirm Tom Cole as league president and Chuck Hendsch as Vice President. Later in the year, Cole resigned. Lacking by-laws or a charter with rules of succession, Cole appointed Hendsch as the new league president.

Chuck Hendsch then went on to create a new NPPL corporation, and continued to grow both its strength and vision. According to Hendsch, although he was the owner of the new corporation, the long term goal was that shares in ownership would be given to the professional teams that made up the league, much like the conceptual model of the original NPPL.

Through 2001, the formation of PSP had shown a positive impact on NPPL tournaments, if for no other reason than the companies which used to be competitors were now able to pool their resources, investing in infrastructure like a $200,000 compressed air system that could be transported to every event.

As the 2002 season started, the NPPL and PSP found themselves in opposition. While PSP representatives said the league was asking for too much in terms of sanctioning fees, the league said the promoters were asking for too much in terms of long-term contracts. The season's first tournament, the LA Open was held before an agreement was reached, and adding fuel to the fire, three teams practiced on tournament fields before the event were allowed to play after paying a $2,000 fine – which went to the league and not the promoters. In May of 2002 the league and promoters officially split, only to rejoin later in the month.

By the end of the 2002 season, it was clear that the new NPPL and PSP would not be getting along. In 2003, PSP added X-Ball to its list of available formats which still included 10-man and 5-man. The new NPPL had its true coming-out at Huntington Beach that year.

WDP created a subsidiary company, Pure Promotions, which came on board as the sole promoter of the new NPPL Super 7 World Series of paintball tournaments and took the appearance and presentation of the league's tournaments to a new level. Features such as team paddocks for staging, VIP areas and complimentary fruit and water were soon echoed by PSP.

Through its first season, of Super 7 competition, the new NPPL used the phrase “player owned league” in its press releases. When asked by WARPIG.com if this indicated that team ownership was now taking place, Chuck Hendsch explained that the league was player owned because he, as the owner was a paintball player.

For the past six years, the NPPL Super 7 World Series has set new standards in event excellence that have had a trickle-down effect improving both the quality of competing national tournaments and regional tournaments as well. It came through on one of its initial goals – televising professional tournament paintball to a national television audience, in what was arguably one of the best produced and most watch-able tournament paintball TV shows to ever hit the screen. Adding a scrutineer to tournament judging staff allowed the league to directly address rule enforcement over rapidly changing equipment technology.

Although the new NPPL moved to requiring field paint only, operating with a single promoter with no competitive bids, and ultimate rules control still falling under promoter approval, it has been well received by the playing public, as these issues that had been rallying cries for the formation of the original NPPL, and the NPPL/PSP split turned out to be not so significant to players. The bottom-line is really that players just want good tournaments – how they get them is relatively moot.

While talk of "reunification" between the PSP and NPPL has become a Christmas tradition for many in tournament paintball, it has never been very likely. Each league has had its own customer base that it draws largely because they like the features that make it unique.

In 2007, Pacific Merchant Capital provided the financial backing for the creation of Pacific Paintball, LLC, which acquired ownership of both the NPPL and the west coast regional circuit, the XPSL (the current incarnation of the Great Western Series which became the Pan Am Circuit and finally the XPSL.) The XPSL's former owner Shawn Walker was installed as new president of the NPPL, and in the following two years, Pacific Paintball acquired additional companies positioning itself to not only provide the tournament series, but the media outlets to promote it. These acquisitions included Paintball 2 Xtremes Magazine and Paintball.com.

The 2008 season saw Walker dismissed from his position, and the December announcement:

Pacific Paintball and its subsidiaries will be filing proceedings under the United States Bankruptcy Code to effect a liquidation of their respective assets and business operations. The affairs and assets of Pacific Paintball LLC, NPPL LLC, XPSL LLC, PB2X LLC, Xtreme Paintball Fields LLC and Camp Pendleton Paintball LLC will be administered by a court appointed trustee in bankruptcy. The bankruptcy court will provide you with written instructions regarding how and where to file any claims in this matter.

Despite doing all we could do, we were unable to make the business a viable concern. Further, in this severe economic climate, we were unable to secure new funding. It is a truly regrettable outcome, though one which is unfortunately occurring more and more frequently in this environment. We thank all those who have supported us.

Assuming the bankruptcy goes through, this will result in all company assets being sold off under direction of the courts, with the proceeds distributed among the company's creditors. It also means that company records, especially those financial, will become a matter of public record.

Who will purchase assets like the trademark to the name NPPL, or what form PB2X and paintball.com will take in the future remains to be seen, though PB2X editor John Amodea has commented, “I’ve been in paintball for 23 years, with 18 years of running paintball magazines. This is what I am and this is what I’ll continue to be.”

This also opens the doors for change in the NXL and PSP for 2009, as they will be faced with how much, if any change to undergo in order to accommodate the wants of teams who had gone to the NPPL after the league split. The same is true for Europe. The Millennium Series had initially been so closely tied to the NPPL Super 7 that its events counted towards points in the NPPL championship, but more recently has moved to the X-Ball Lite format over 7man.

The only thing one can say for certain about the 2009 tournament season is that it is uncertain.

punkncat
12-02-2008, 06:32 PM
This has been getting some serious attention around the forums, esp on the nation.

I think it will give the sport an opportunity to streamline and become better.

halB
12-02-2008, 07:19 PM
The dinosaurs need to die. We need to move to a tourney system that is more similar to high school varsity sports.

Can someone give me one good reason why some amateur team in Miami should have to fly out to California for their first tournament? How on earth is that feasible by the average player? How does it make sense for a "team" (which is nothing more than a loose gaggle of friends) to travel across the country when they haven't even proved themselves where they live?

Have the players in Miami determine the best Miami player. Have the players in Broward determine their best players. Have Miami face off against Broward. Have that winner face North Florida's best team. And then have the best team in Florida play against the best teams in the SE, and have the best SE team play against the best NE team...

YOU GET THE POINT!!!

Let me get a team together. Let me get some friends to wear the same jersey. And then let me compete against other teams for a minimum of money. No team should have to travel to ANY event, until they have proven themselves where they live.

We have a world cup? Are you kidding me?! They didn't even have a superbowl until several decades after pro ball became legitimate. We're treating ourselves as more legitimate than we really are as a sport.

master_alexander
12-02-2008, 07:24 PM
We need to move to a tourney system that is more similar to high school varsity sports.

win.

cockerpunk
12-02-2008, 09:20 PM
the trouble is the the PSP's rule book is a total joke.

every rule in that book is based on the thought process "well, players are going to cheat, so lets make it legal!"

bunny5
12-02-2008, 09:45 PM
why do i have a feeling smart parts is going to buy them out?

skipdogg
12-02-2008, 10:20 PM
its sad to see one more thing in paintball go belly up. Especially something as prominent and visible as the NPPL. Who knows what will happen. In general bad businesses fail all the time, I guess you could say the NPPL was a bad business. Typically getting rid of the weak only makes things better. Hopefully this will turn out to be true.

halB
12-03-2008, 05:18 PM
why do i have a feeling smart parts is going to buy them out?


They don't have to buy anything. Smart parts has already patented the CONCEPT of having a professional paintball league.

Hilltop Customs
12-03-2008, 05:47 PM
IDK what you guys are talking about, smart parts IS paintball :rolleyes:

(I was saying it sarcastically, but thinking about it....kinda makes me sad since it is kind of true)

Lohman446
12-03-2008, 06:12 PM
Its sad that the companies that were building paintball into a bigger, better pie for everyone are going out, and those that were scavenging what they could are taking over.

Cold Steel
12-03-2008, 07:49 PM
Its sad that the companies that were building paintball into a bigger, better pie for everyone are going out, and those that were scavenging what they could are taking over.

How does a company losing 300K per event equate to "a bigger, better pie for everyone?" Over 5 years that translates to a loss of 7.5 MILLION dollars. Only deep pockets kept them in business. Now that there's only one national league, there is a huge opportunity for the tournament side of paintball to standardize on things such as format, rules, player classification, etc... I hope the powers that be, with the PSP, make the most of this opportunity.

CS

Beemer
12-03-2008, 08:45 PM
Now that there's only one national league, there is a huge opportunity for the tournament side of paintball to standardize on things such as format, rules, player classification, etc... I hope the powers that be, with the PSP, make the most of this opportunity.CS

Bah...................We had that opportunity when we formed the NPPL. It started as a league for the players by the players and it was working until the money started talking. The PIE was big enough for all but not all saw it that way, they wanted more PIE.

Standards is a nine letter dirty word in PAINTBALL. We cant get that right in twenty five years, dont hold your breath now.

Lohman446
12-03-2008, 09:01 PM
How does a company losing 300K per event equate to "a bigger, better pie for everyone?" Over 5 years that translates to a loss of 7.5 MILLION dollars. Only deep pockets kept them in business. Now that there's only one national league, there is a huge opportunity for the tournament side of paintball to standardize on things such as format, rules, player classification, etc... I hope the powers that be, with the PSP, make the most of this opportunity.

CS

AGD, NPPL (as originally formed), WGP (I can recall Bud going to New Jersey IIRC to testify in court cases), Palmers - there are many others out there that did not seek simply the most possible sales in the market that existed, they sought to improve and expand the game of paintball to more and more people, to make it better.

Thats not as true of the current companies, at least as they are run now. Most of them are run as rather short sighted companies seeking the most possible profit out of today, with little concern about the sport itself, or where it will be in the future.

It equates to the theory - rather than getting a bigger piece of the pie by taking some from you (my competitor) we are all going to get bigger pieces by making things better. Its the kind of attitude and cooperation that fueled the rapid growth and expansion that fueled the companies you see now fighting vehemently for there share of a retracting market.

Its not about the economy either - paintball in the time that these great companies rose was far more expensive (and exclusive) than it is now.

Lohman446
12-03-2008, 09:07 PM
Bah...................We had that opportunity when we formed the NPPL. It started as a league for the players by the players and it was working until the money started talking. The PIE was big enough for all but not all saw it that way, they wanted more PIE.

Standards is a nine letter dirty word in PAINTBALL. We cant get that right in twenty five years, dont hold your breath now.


Let me add:

Anyone want to bet that the cost of playing at, attending (I have to buy tickets now to watch?), or sponsoring any of the "big" events is going to go up next year. With the ability to point towards NPPL and the "consequences of not being profitable" how much are they going to go up?

We have replaced the companies trying to make paintball better with the companies trying to make the most profit possible. Hint: Unless you are on a professional team (I mean one of the small handful of true professional teams that pay a living wage) these changes are not going to help you, they may hurt you. If you are of the ability and lifestyle for one of these teams you might have a prayer of it helping.

Beemer
12-03-2008, 09:16 PM
AGD, NPPL (as originally formed), WGP (I can recall Bud going to New Jersey IIRC to testify in court cases), Palmers - there are many others out there that did not seek simply the most possible sales in the market that existed, they sought to improve and expand the game of paintball to more and more people, to make it better.
Thats not as true of the current companies, at least as they are run now. Most of them are run as rather short sighted companies seeking the most possible profit out of today, with little concern about the sport itself, or where it will be in the future.It equates to the theory - rather than getting a bigger piece of the pie by taking some from you (my competitor) we are all going to get bigger pieces by making things better. Its the kind of attitude and cooperation that fueled the rapid growth and expansion that fueled the companies you see now fighting vehemently for there share of a retracting market.

Its not about the economy either - paintball in the time that these great companies rose was far more expensive (and exclusive) than it is now.


Well thats like a ding, ding, ding right there. Then again all the smart folks saw that it wasnt going to work that way and left. Should we start that list now? Or how about the list on why paintball is so STUPID. Twenty five freaking years and no real Governing body, ya that is stupid. Not to mention that nine letter dirty word. :wow:

Cold Steel
12-03-2008, 09:27 PM
Bah...................We had that opportunity when we formed the NPPL. It started as a league for the players by the players and it was working until the money started talking. The PIE was big enough for all but not all saw it that way, they wanted more PIE.

Standards is a nine letter dirty word in PAINTBALL. We cant get that right in twenty five years, dont hold your breath now.

The pre-split NPPL and the post-split NPPL only had the name in common. Other than the the company title, everything else between those 2 organizations was a night & day difference. The pre-split NPPL was player driven and member owned. The post-split NPPL was an individually owned business. Many things changed.


AGD, NPPL (as originally formed), WGP (I can recall Bud going to New Jersey IIRC to testify in court cases), Palmers - there are many others out there that did not seek simply the most possible sales in the market that existed, they sought to improve and expand the game of paintball to more and more people, to make it better.

Thats not as true of the current companies, at least as they are run now. Most of them are run as rather short sighted companies seeking the most possible profit out of today, with little concern about the sport itself, or where it will be in the future.

It equates to the theory - rather than getting a bigger piece of the pie by taking some from you (my competitor) we are all going to get bigger pieces by making things better. Its the kind of attitude and cooperation that fueled the rapid growth and expansion that fueled the companies you see now fighting vehemently for there share of a retracting market.

Its not about the economy either - paintball in the time that these great companies rose was far more expensive (and exclusive) than it is now.

I agree with you, the business of paintball has caused a lot short-sightedness amongst the paintball industry, and the game has suffered for it. However, the most basic of business principles, teaches us that no one can run a business and stay in business for long if they're losing more money than they're making.

I believe good things will come from all of this. If nothing else, the off-season just got real interesting.

CS

mixwell2
12-03-2008, 09:35 PM
Greed will bring down everything...players greed (am's wanting to get paid more and more)...sponsors greed (wanting more and more profit)...company greed (companies sueing everyone and eliminating any kind of competition) and tourney greed (just too many)...IMHO there should only be 1 National Professional Tournament. No matter what the format, for paintball to ever really succeed, there must be a uniform body overseeing all.

But who knows this could be a sign of something positive.

1. The AFL went bye bye and merged with the NFL and football got better and better.
2. The ABA went bye bye and merged with the NBA and basketball grew.

So maybe this is exactly what paintball needs.

A single National Professional League. I solid rule book, bylaws, and board of directors. With regional tournaments that qualify teams and/or players to draft. maybe even a Team and Manufactures champion at the end of the season......

hmmmmm.....oh well

Looper
12-03-2008, 11:32 PM
NPPL is still around... they just virtualized the 2009 season... :rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39A0fyTy7js

RavishingEddie
12-04-2008, 01:01 AM
Will this have a positive impact on prices in paintball markers for players?

So this affect the SPPL too?

Lohman446
12-04-2008, 07:12 AM
The pre-split NPPL and the post-split NPPL only had the name in common. Other than the the company title, everything else between those 2 organizations was a night & day difference. The pre-split NPPL was player driven and member owned. The post-split NPPL was an individually owned business. Many things changed.



I agree with you, the business of paintball has caused a lot short-sightedness amongst the paintball industry, and the game has suffered for it. However, the most basic of business principles, teaches us that no one can run a business and stay in business for long if they're losing more money than they're making.

I believe good things will come from all of this. If nothing else, the off-season just got real interesting.

CS


Being profitable and working to better the game are not mutually exclusive.

Lohman446
12-04-2008, 10:20 AM
Well thats like a ding, ding, ding right there. Then again all the smart folks saw that it wasnt going to work that way and left. Should we start that list now? Or how about the list on why paintball is so STUPID. Twenty five freaking years and no real Governing body, ya that is stupid. Not to mention that nine letter dirty word. :wow:

People left because it quit being fun.... At one point even the manufacturers had fun (remember the great "factory" teams that were really factory employee teams) and made profit. Now its all about profit. Its business first, paintball a distant last. It used to be about genuinely making the sport better, and the fact you could make a profit doing it was a great secondary thing. "Companies" were "precision porting" barrels in there garage and testing the results on the field the next day alongside every other player.

The game has quit being about fun, its become about winning.... the same as the business side of it. I don't see that working out well. Is it the demise of paintball? No. In ten years it might be back to being niche and exclusive enough that it is fun. You already see a lot of people going back to playing only with their friends under their terms, because the terms the "industry" has do not sit well with the people who play for fun.

B-Pow
12-04-2008, 01:00 PM
Standards is a nine letter dirty word in PAINTBALL. We cant get that right in twenty five years, dont hold your breath now.

In college one of my professors had a saying, "Standards are great since there are so many to choose from." The truth of the matter is most things have so many sets of standards that any real standardization is impossible.


The game has quit being about fun, its become about winning.... the same as the business side of it. I don't see that working out well. Is it the demise of paintball? No. In ten years it might be back to being niche and exclusive enough that it is fun. You already see a lot of people going back to playing only with their friends under their terms, because the terms the "industry" has do not sit well with the people who play for fun.

The players facilitated this move to it being about winning. Watch the games, these "pros" are not doing it for the love of the game. You want love of the game go to your local field and find the new kid with the rental, or the spyder/spider clone wearing "non-paintball specific" clothes; Or look for the old player with a smile and beat up old gear. Those people are playing for the love of the game. The kids in the current year new gear and the shiney new hardware who yell before and after the game about whatever made them lose (that isn't them), I believe they are the a large part of the problem.

Lohman446
12-04-2008, 02:12 PM
The players facilitated this move to it being about winning. Watch the games, these "pros" are not doing it for the love of the game. You want love of the game go to your local field and find the new kid with the rental, or the spyder/spider clone wearing "non-paintball specific" clothes; Or look for the old player with a smile and beat up old gear. Those people are playing for the love of the game. The kids in the current year new gear and the shiney new hardware who yell before and after the game about whatever made them lose (that isn't them), I believe they are the a large part of the problem.

No doubt the players helped, now find me a field where they are not mixed in with the tournament win at all costs crowd. More and more of these people are getting disgusted, walking away, and realizing the cost it takes to play the shadow of the game they once loved. Others are organizing "outlaw" events with the people they know and trust. Neither of these facilitate the new player.

When I run foot races its me against the clock. It doesn't matter that I am at least five minutes off the leaders pace in short races. It doesn't matter that some people double and triple the leaders time. Everyone is rooting for everyone to finish.

In paintball there is no "clock" to be the common opponent. Can you imagine the poor new player up against the firepower and tactics common today on commercial fields? How many do you think have fun and come back again? Far to few it seems, and to me it seems many of those coming back cannot support themselves playing long term financially.

Hilltop Customs
12-04-2008, 03:14 PM
how about a pump league? or at least a pump division, with low scale/cost widespread tournaments.

Ive never even played pump, but I'd pick up a pump just to play in that tournament.




or how about just change the rules:
Call yourself out when your hit, or if you get caught wiping/playing on by another player you gone form the tounrament and you lose the paint youve purchased to the player who shot you. For repeat offenders, ban them from playing.

Lohman446
12-04-2008, 03:37 PM
how about a pump league? or at least a pump division, with low scale/cost widespread tournaments.

Ive never even played pump, but I'd pick up a pump just to play in that tournament.




or how about just change the rules:
Call yourself out when your hit, or if you get caught wiping/playing on by another player you gone form the tounrament and you lose the paint youve purchased to the player who shot you. For repeat offenders, ban them from playing.

There are answers, however few facilities seem willing to implement them for fear of short term loss.... Being short-sighted is not good in business, it is not the exception in paintball today.

B-Pow
12-04-2008, 04:47 PM
No doubt the players helped, now find me a field where they are not mixed in with the tournament win at all costs crowd. More and more of these people are getting disgusted, walking away, and realizing the cost it takes to play the shadow of the game they once loved. Others are organizing "outlaw" events with the people they know and trust. Neither of these facilitate the new player.

When I run foot races its me against the clock. It doesn't matter that I am at least five minutes off the leaders pace in short races. It doesn't matter that some people double and triple the leaders time. Everyone is rooting for everyone to finish.

In paintball there is no "clock" to be the common opponent. Can you imagine the poor new player up against the firepower and tactics common today on commercial fields? How many do you think have fun and come back again? Far to few it seems, and to me it seems many of those coming back cannot support themselves playing long term financially.

I'm not saying those few "for the love of the game" players are not dieing out. What I will say though is I've played a few days of pickup games at my local field where 75% of the players were those for the love of it players and the other 25% were NOT the play to win type. By the end of the day on those several occasions ALL the players were happy win or lose, and opponents were commenting on good moves and shots in the last round.

All I want to see is those players who are in it just to have a good time do their best to spread that mentaility when they do make it to the field.

wetwrks
12-04-2008, 04:58 PM
Just sitting here watching COPS and there was an add for the NPPL video game. Couldn't help but laugh.

Lohman446
12-04-2008, 05:33 PM
I'm not saying those few "for the love of the game" players are not dieing out. What I will say though is I've played a few days of pickup games at my local field where 75% of the players were those for the love of it players and the other 25% were NOT the play to win type. By the end of the day on those several occasions ALL the players were happy win or lose, and opponents were commenting on good moves and shots in the last round.

All I want to see is those players who are in it just to have a good time do their best to spread that mentaility when they do make it to the field.

I think we agree on what would be ideal to see. Maybe its just me but I got tired of the inevitable politics involved in playing... and those politics benefit me. I can't imagine being a new player stepping into what it is today. When I first started 90% of the players were honest and overly helpful. I can remember being handed at one point an autococker with wires going in and out from a tech who was involved from the earliest stages (Sandridge). Although some of these players still play today they are certainly not the majority, and some have left the category of honest and as helpful to new players as they can be.

To avoid the idiots of today we would have to play away from the "public" in general.

Beemer
12-04-2008, 09:23 PM
To avoid the idiots of today we would have to play away from the "public" in general.

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Texas Trigger
12-04-2008, 09:24 PM
Daaaammmn. I had no idea. So I guess PSP will be the main league now huh?

the123
12-05-2008, 06:25 PM
Less paintball anything is bad. This sucks.

Thotograph
12-05-2008, 10:43 PM
This is truely a sad time for paintball... while the NPPL wasn't perfect by a long shot it had the right values for safety and conduct. Unfortuneatly the decline was visable... from what I observed at Jax this year vs. Tampa 07 you just knew it wasn't working. I will say this til I'm blue in the face: I hate PSP. Living in Orlando and attending World Cup lets me see exactly what is wrong with our sport. I could go on and on there... so I'll just point out the issue I take with PSP most of all: sideline coaching. There's no integrity left in the contest when it is practiced and understood that its easier to allow organized/systematic cheating than it is to outlaw it and enforce rules which uphold the sports integrity. Quite simply THE NOISE sucks. In talking with many referees this past time round I found that on the whole they despise coaching.

For the players of the leagues... I dunno, I'm not a tournament player so I can't speak on their behalf. I know the X-Ball format is exciting for many, and if it were run right I would look upon it favorably. The scoring format isn't that bad... it's the rules and values that are absent that make me resent PSP. The format better serves the A.D.D. generation and leaves people with an attention span and a thinking conscience wanting. As someone who loves the sport of paintball as I know it I am deeply saddened that I feel I know it less and less these days.

The future is uncertain. I'd like to have optimism, but I don't see a pennies on the dollar power grab as fortunate circumstances for us... the rich are going to get richer, and only if it suits their interests will they give a crap about ours.

fire1811
12-07-2008, 08:54 AM
taken from WARPIG site The National Professional Paintball League began in the early 1990s, fueled by dissatisfaction with the state of national tournaments. Complaints of biased reffing, high prices and field-paint-only policies were a driving factor in the formation of the NPPL.


Its fitting that what they originally formed for killed them.

druid
12-09-2008, 01:27 AM
A good read....

http://john-amodea.blogspot.com/2008/12/what-have-we-done-to-our-game-part-one.html